Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 15 Messages in 7 Topics
To E where did you find this info on the Jose Pinheiro's? I'm leaning towards the one living in S. Dartmouth with the throat affliction because that is where my 2nd grt grandpa built his home on Rockland street. Yes we are absolutely positive he died shortly after my grandpa was born in 1918, my grandmother who is still alive and in very good condition and a cousin who was old enough to know more of the family and shares the same side of the family tree also says that he died very young. There is some belief Joe Pines middle initial was F but I can't be positive...Mike On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:15 AM, azores@googlegroups.com wrote: Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/azores/topics - surnames #1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_0 [1 Update] - great grandpa help #1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_1 [3 Updates] - CCA Web Site update (it MOVED) #1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_2 [1 Update] - New Topic. Differance in first names#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_3[2 Updates] - can someone help reading a record? #1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_4[3 Updates] - Francisco Pereira Rosa Vicente- Sao Miguel#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_5[4 Updates] - Manuel Cunha Pacheco in Providence, RI#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_6[1 Update] surnames http://groups.google.com/group/azores/t/3376cfbd15aa9dbd Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com May 07 09:13PM -0700 Yes there are a few that cluster more than others. Bettencourt is found more often in the central island group, for example. As for Silva, it's all over the place. great grandpa helphttp://groups.google.com/group/azores/t/3357ae3b616c9f45 Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com May 07 06:55AM -0700 I would like to ask for some help with finding my great grandfather. We believe his name was Jose(Joseph) Pinheiro(Pine) based on what my grandma who's still living tells me. He was married to my great grandma Maria Pereira(Perry) we believe between 1916/1918 based on when my grandpa William Francis Pine was born on 2/16/1918. Joe Pine died before 1920 because he is not listed on the census of 1920 when my great grandma moved back home to new bedford to her mom and dads home. My grandma believes Joe Pine was aprox 23 when he died and she believes it was in California, We believe that Maria and Jose got married in California because my grandma said she followed Joe Pine out there. Anything the group can help with would greatly appreciate, if more information is needed so you can help I can try and find it for you. Thanks Ahead, Mike bellema...@gmail.com May 07 04:51PM Mike, There is a Joe C. Pine WWI Draft Registration Record (1917) living in Alameda County CA. He was born April 14, 1892 in Fayal, Azores. He had a wife named Rose. There is a 1951 Naturalization Card for this Joseph Correia Pine in Newark CA. Here it says he was born April 14, 1892. There is a Joseph Pine b. April 23, 1894 living in South Dartmouth in 1917 also b. in Fayal. It says he has a thoat affliction and he was working at the Gosnold Mills. It says he is married. There's a Joseph Pine b. Sept. 15, 1892 in Sao Miguel, Azores, living in New Bedford in 1917 but his one says he is single. There are several Jose Pinheiro Draft Registration Records living in CA/MA. Then there is this ship's listName: Jose S Pinheiro Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Birthplace: Salao?, Fayal Azores Gender: Male Ethnic Background: Portuguese Arrival Date: 12 Sep 1912 Port of Arrival: Providence, Rhode Island Port of Departure: Horta, Fayal, Azores, Portugal Ship Name: Roma Leaving his father Manuel Furtado da Rosa, Salao, Fayal, Azores- going to his brother in law Luiz Lopes, Providence RI Do you know if he had a middle name? How sure are you that he died? Maybe she just left him and returned home? I just helped a girl with her ancestor and a few months ago she found out he had a 2nd family back East before he married her ggrandmother. She said he never spoke of this first wife and children. You can imagine she was elated to find her new found family. E Robin Lebo le...@sbcglobal.net May 07 07:28PM -0500 Dear Mike, I went into find a grave and found a Manuel Joseph Pine b 1893, d 1914. His find a grave number is 88554320. This is at the Holy Ghost Cemetery, Fremont, Alameda County, California. Plot: Row 18. It says it shares the stone with Frank. I went to the Frank Pine in the same cemetery, but I could not find which Frank it was. the Frank Pine listed had others in that area but not the same plot. I found others, Pine, Joe and Joseph, but none had died before 1920. This might be a lead for you. Robin L CCA Web Site update (it
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Capelas on São Miguel?
Hi Altino, The old family search has 2 listings for Phelipe Borges born abt. 1659 and Francisca do Rego b. abt. 1663, married 15 Aug 1682 and 27 Aug 1682. Francisca's parents are Manoel de Mello Martins and Maria Leda. Phelipe and Francisca were both born in Acores, no listing for Capelas. No other information is listed. My paternal line is from Capelas, going back to 1632. I do not have Felipe and Francisca, but I do have a Manoel de Melo married to Isabel de Benevides abt. 1700. Their children are Antonia de Melo Cabral b. abt 1712 married to Estevao Travassos, and Antonio de Melo married to Maria de Jesus. I will look for Felipe and Francisca when I go to the FHC on Saturday, but chances are Felipe's parents will not be listed. Let me know if anything sounds familiar. Judi Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:57:39 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching Capelas on São Miguel? From: demelo.alt...@yahoo.com To: azores@googlegroups.com If anyone is researching Capelas on São Miguel, i'm wondering if anyone has Filipe Borges and Francisca do Rego married on August 27, 1682? I'm hoping someone knows the names of the grooms parents or has a Capelas database. Altino -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 15 Messages in 7 Topics
Mike, I found this on Ancestry.com. I can forward the original to your personal email address from them if you would like. Let me know. I have the St. John's Cemetery book. I have been looking to see if he is buried there..if he was and did not have a stone, he would not be in the book..there is a Pinheiro no names or dates in the St. Paul section. There is a Joseph T. Pine, Jr. 1916-1920 (could this be a son) in St. Isabel St. Agnes section. You can call St. John's in New Bedford and they can give you the info on this child and who is buried unnamed in the St. Paul Section. Before St. John's, most Portuguese were buried at St. Mary's Cemetery (FYI after St. John's was built several families had their loved ones moved from St. Mary's to St. John's). I will search this one Jose Pinheiro with the throat affliction further and see if I can find any more on him. If/When you call the cemeteries, be very nice when you call and ask for the info and they will usually oblige. If he came to the US after 1910 and died before 1920, he would not be in any US census records, not sure if MA has State census in between. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 15 Messages in 7 Topics
Mike, I checked your family in 1920 censusit says Maria is married (not a widow, so either she did not know he died or he moved away)William is 1 year old and they live on Rockland Street, S. Dartmouth. Joseph Pine's 1917 WWI Draft Registration record says he is living on Rockland St. South Dartmouth. Correction, it says he has a throat affection whatever that means? Since he only lists a wife (no name) and lists no children and Wm. was born in 1918, it is possible this is him. Interesting Mary was bookkeeper at Col. Green Estate. A few years back, my cousin got married on a private beach in the area and we could see the Col. Green Estate from the beach. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance,Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: great grandpa help
I wonder if Joe Pine died of the Spanish influenza (not that it would necessarily help in finding his records, I suppose). It certainly ran rampant through Alameda County, California, where my maternal grandmother (among many) had it. My mother was 5 at the time, and remembered being traumatized by the numerous funerals in Berkeley and Oakland to which her mother dragged her for people who died of the flu. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ponta Garca S. Miguel
Hi Gloria, Since we know that we are related on your father's side, I can provide you with most of the data on our common ancestry for the past 10 generations. I believe that we may also be related on your mother's side, as well. I know that you already have some info, however, since the details are incomplete, your research will need to be more labor intensive. Is it better to visit the parish to do your research? The answer is that historical records are not kept in the parish churches, they are kept in the Regional Libraries - in your case, Ponta Delgada. While I would heartily encourage everyone to visit the place of their family's roots, it isn't absolutely necessary to do so for the sole purpose of family research - other options are available. For example, the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) allows free access to its Family History Centers, worldwide. The parish records from the church that you mentioned are available at the FHC near you. Normally, there would be a rental fee to order microfilms, but, the fees have already been taken care of on these films. If you do decide to visit the homeland - instead of spending your valuable vacation time in a musty old library, kick back, enjoy yourself, and, take in the local color. Sao Miguel has some of the nicest scenery and places of interest of anyplace that I've ever visited. I guarantee, you won't be disappointed. ~~~ On Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:45:41 PM UTC-4, glomartin wrote: New to this website. So glad I found it! What is the best way to find my great grandparents' names? I know my grandparents, and have been told they were all from Nossa Sra da Piedade church in Ponta Garca. Names of my graandparents are: Herminio Moniz daPiedade and Rosalina Guerreiro; and my paternal grandparents are Antonio Paiva and Maria Jose Pimentel. They were born around 1890's I guess. I appreciate any help in how to research. Is the best bet to travelk there and see church records? Thanks! Gloria in Rhode Island On Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:45:41 PM UTC-4, glomartin wrote: New to this website. So glad I found it! What is the best way to find my great grandparents' names? I know my grandparents, and have been told they were all from Nossa Sra da Piedade church in Ponta Garca. Names of my graandparents are: Herminio Moniz daPiedade and Rosalina Guerreiro; and my paternal grandparents are Antonio Paiva and Maria Jose Pimentel. They were born around 1890's I guess. I appreciate any help in how to research. Is the best bet to travelk there and see church records? Thanks! Gloria in Rhode Island -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] While you are researching - Victor Family
I would like to remind everyone that while you are looking up your family records on CCA site, I do have a reward out for baptism records for several of my VICTOR family members. The ones I am specifically interested in are Isabelle Victor b. bet. 1881-1885 $50 reward, she is my great grandmother, $25 reward each for her siblings Belmira Victor b. bet. 1885-1887, and Paulo Victor (he went by the surname Sylvia in the US for some unknown reason) b. abt. 1874 some of their US records say born in Terceira but thus far we have not found them there. I actually do not know what island they were born on. They were circus people and moved around a great deal. If you come upon any of the other kids, I probably have them but pass the name along and if I do not have them I will pay $25 each for them also. So far there are 10 children in this family and I have 7 of the baptism records, there could be more children I do not know about as Joao V. just found another for me a few months ago. The parents of these children clearly listed in all 7 baptism records are Antonio Victor and Ramona Augusta. Antonio Victor jumped the fence a couple of times and had 2 illegitimate children, maybe more who knows, and I have the baptism record for one of them but not the other and her family says she was adopted at birth. I believe she, another Maria, was born after 1889 and her mother might have died at childbirth. Since the Victor surname is not too familiar in the Azores I thought if you should see it while you are researching your family members could you please let me know? Both Victor parents are deceased by 1892. If you see any death records for the mother, Romana Augusta or any of her children, I do not have any of their death records. I have the father's, Antonio Victor) death record. This family did not go to the Azores until ca 1865-70 from mainland Portugal. The first child I have born there was a daughter born in 1870 in Terceira. One of the things on my bucket list before life passes me by is to keep a promise I made to my mother and find her mother's baptism record. Thank you. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ponta Garca S. Miguel
Gloria Another way less expensive way to have your research done is to contact Joao Ventura, an excellent researcher, living in Terceira. His rates are very reasonable and he has a quick turnaround time. Let me know if you want his email address. That way if you ever decide to visit the islands you can spend your time enjoying the views instead of researching :-) I know, been there, done that. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] While you are researching - Victor Family
E can you tell me what Island and village are they from? Bob In a message dated 5/8/2012 1:12:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bellema...@gmail.com writes: I would like to remind everyone that while you are looking up your family records on CCA site, I do have a reward out for baptism records for several of my VICTOR family members. The ones I am specifically interested in are Isabelle Victor b. bet. 1881-1885 $50 reward, she is my great grandmother, $25 reward each for her siblings Belmira Victor b. bet. 1885-1887, and Paulo Victor (he went by the surname Sylvia in the US for some unknown reason) b. abt. 1874 some of their US records say born in Terceira but thus far we have not found them there. I actually do not know what island they were born on. They were circus people and moved around a great deal. If you come upon any of the other kids, I probably have them but pass the name along and if I do not have them I will pay $25 each for them also. So far there are 10 children in this family and I have 7 of the baptism records, there could be more children I do not know about as Joao V. just found another for me a few months ago. The parents of these children clearly listed in all 7 baptism records are Antonio Victor and Ramona Augusta. Antonio Victor jumped the fence a couple of times and had 2 illegitimate children, maybe more who knows, and I have the baptism record for one of them but not the other and her family says she was adopted at birth. I believe she, another Maria, was born after 1889 and her mother might have died at childbirth. Since the Victor surname is not too familiar in the Azores I thought if you should see it while you are researching your family members could you please let me know? Both Victor parents are deceased by 1892. If you see any death records for the mother, Romana Augusta or any of her children, I do not have any of their death records. I have the father's, Antonio Victor) death record. This family did not go to the Azores until ca 1865-70 from mainland Portugal. The first child I have born there was a daughter born in 1870 in Terceira. One of the things on my bucket list before life passes me by is to keep a promise I made to my mother and find her mother's baptism record. Thank you. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ponta Garca S. Miguel
I have most of the Guerreiros from Ponta Garca. The are my wife's cousins. They go back to Vila Franca circa 1670 or so. If you could establish a line to any marriage or birth before 1884 in Ponta Garca, then I may be able to help you. I am sure Dan has many of your ancestors as well. JR On May 8, 4:16 pm, \E\ Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Gloria Another way less expensive way to have your research done is to contact Joao Ventura, an excellent researcher, living in Terceira. His rates are very reasonable and he has a quick turnaround time. Let me know if you want his email address. That way if you ever decide to visit the islands you can spend your time enjoying the views instead of researching :-) I know, been there, done that. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: great grandpa help
Mike, Could this be the marriage record for your Joe Pine? They may have the parents mixed up as I notice Mary is living with an Antone Perry and Mary Perry so I assume this is her parents? Massachusetts, Town Vital Collections, 1620-1988 Name: Mary Perry Mary Perry Birth Date: abt 1899 Event Type: Marriage Event City: Dartmouth Marriage Date: 19 May 1917 Marriage Age: 18 Father Name:Antoia Leal (probably Antonio) Mother Name:Mary Leal Spouse Name:Joseph Pine Spouse Marriage Age:23 Spouse Father Name: Joseph Silvera Spouse Mother Name: Louise Silvera (not Mary) If you think this is them, you could go/call NB Vitals and ask them for the paper they filled out to obtain the marriage certificate. It contains much more info than the marriage certificate. It will cost you about $20 if you think this could be them. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Nancy Jean, I'm always looking for more cousins. I find the migration patterns fascinating. If you remember who these people you met are, maybe we can find a connection. No rush. I have to get through finals week next week before I have time to play. Take care, Gayle On May 8, 2012, at 5:49 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again, Nancy Jean From: mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edumailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + Nancy, I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: 9 Jan 1753 for the date. Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. Amaro and Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of this matrix. Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. Gayle From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com Reply-To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail
