Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-19 Thread Edward Rodrigues
Melinda
I found a obit for a Maria that was 22 years of age at time of death in April 
1883 I am trying to figure if this is the daughter that committed suicide 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1880-1889/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-O-1880-1889_item1/P130.html
I am trying to see if the Maria born in 4 June 1862 was the same girl. since 
Luiz Pereira Lopes married in Sept 1861. What is your take on this?
Edward





On Oct 18, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Melinda Lopes wrote:

 Edward et al,
  
 I will be happy to hear the outcome of this thread as the Jose Pereira Lopes 
 born in February, 1877, son of Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria Candida do Rego, 
 was my grandfather. Edward and I have conversed about this line and recently 
 I have received a massive amount of assistance from Manoel Ceasar in tracing 
 this line. Manoel's research showed that Maria Candida Do Rego was the 
 daughter of Candido Jacinto do Rego and Maria Botelho. aka Maria Candido 
 Coracao de Jesus. I will ask Manoel what he knows about the potential for two 
 Luiz Pereira Lopes.
  
 According to family history, my grandfather only spoke of siblings Luiz, Joao 
 and a sister that committed suicide when she couldn't marry the man she 
 loved. My grandfather was farmed out after his mother's death. Thus, Maria 
 Candida Do Rego died after 1877 and it is quite probable that she died after 
 1883. 
  
 I would love to hear from anyone who has a connection to this family so that 
 I can add to our family tree. For those of you who are family connections and 
 possible family finder matches, my father, John Lopes has a gedcom in his 
 family finder results. We also have a private tree on ancestry.com which I 
 can send you an invitation to join.
  
 Excited to hear from new relatives,
  
 Melinda Lopes
 
  
  
 From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:34:29 -0500
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Hermano 
 I am confused because when I was looking at that record I did notice that 
 they where writing about the marriage of Luiz Pereira Lopes but not knowing 
 Portuguese I wasn't sure because it was under baptism records.  I looked at 
 the record again and can see Maria Luiza. Now my question does she go by both 
 name Maria Luiza and Maria Candida do Rego?  Also on their daughter Maria 
 Trindade obit in 1883 it has Luiz Pereira Lopes wife as Maria de Jesus . I 
 just found another record for a Maria born to Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria 
 Candida de Rego 4 June 1862. Could this be the Maria Trindade who died in 
 1883? I think I am some how related from Francisco da Costa line that is why 
 I am researching this line. All the other information matches with what I 
 have down.
 Thanks for the help.
 Edward
 
 
 
 

 On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:
 
 Hello Edward.
 What I have on this family is in essence the same as what Maria Moore has 
 referred to.
 Now as to the link you attached, although it say baptismos it realy is the 
 marriage register of Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria Luisa on 2 September 1861.
 This Luis Pereira Lopes (27 years fo age) is the son of Joao Pereira Lopes 
 Gaspar and Joana de Jesus and the paternal grandson of Gaspar Lopes and 
 Quiteria de Jesus and maternal of Francisco da Costa Pires and Sebastiana de 
 Jesus.
 Maria Luisa (27 years of age) is the daughter of Candido do Rego and Maria 
 dos Anjos and the paternal granddaughter of Jose do Rego and Maria Joaquina 
 and maternal of Jose Botelho Nunes and Ana Francisca.
 As far as I can make out at the moment Maria Luisa is my 3rd cousin 3 times 
 removed.
 Hope that helps.
 Hermano
 
  
 From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:24:44 -0500
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Maria
 I have documents of baptism for five children of Luiz Pereira Lopes 1834-1927 
 to Maria Candida Do Rego
 
 Maria Trindade 1861-1883
 Elvira   1867
 Luiz  1870-1943
 Joao 1873
 Jose  1877-1969
 
 The record for Maria Trindade show Maria Candida do Rego as the mother. I am 
 believing Maria de Jesus is the woman he married when Maria Candida do Rego 
 died. I am looking for the records to support this.
 I still haven't checked the baptism record from 1862-1866 for any other 
 children.
 Maria do you read portuguese? I can send you the records I have.
 Edward
 
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, danandma...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Maria da Trindade died at 22 therefore was born around 1861 parents Luis 
 Pereira Lopes and Maria de Jesus
 
 the second Luis Pereira Lopes married to  Maria Luiza /do Rego/ or Maria 
 Candida do Rego they were married on 16 Sep 1861 ( as per Diana Silva on this 
 group).  I have them with 6 children born 1863 to 1877
 
 My conclusion is that they are not the same Luis.  possibly 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-19 Thread Edward Rodrigues
Will keep you informed as we progress

On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:39 AM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:

 You guys are moving too fast for me :))
 Was busy trying to tie loose ends.
 Will get back to this.
 Hermano
  
 From: melinda_lo...@hotmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:11:18 -0500
 
 Edward et al,
  
 I will be happy to hear the outcome of this thread as the Jose Pereira Lopes 
 born in February, 1877, son of Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria Candida do Rego, 
 was my grandfather. Edward and I have conversed about this line and recently 
 I have received a massive amount of assistance from Manoel Ceasar in tracing 
 this line. Manoel's research showed that Maria Candida Do Rego was the 
 daughter of Candido Jacinto do Rego and Maria Botelho. aka Maria Candido 
 Coracao de Jesus. I will ask Manoel what he knows about the potential for two 
 Luiz Pereira Lopes.
  
 According to family history, my grandfather only spoke of siblings Luiz, Joao 
 and a sister that committed suicide when she couldn't marry the man she 
 loved. My grandfather was farmed out after his mother's death. Thus, Maria 
 Candida Do Rego died after 1877 and it is quite probable that she died after 
 1883. 
  
 I would love to hear from anyone who has a connection to this family so that 
 I can add to our family tree. For those of you who are family connections and 
 possible family finder matches, my father, John Lopes has a gedcom in his 
 family finder results. We also have a private tree on ancestry.com which I 
 can send you an invitation to join.
  
 Excited to hear from new relatives,
  
 Melinda Lopes
 
  
  
 From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:34:29 -0500
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Hermano 
 I am confused because when I was looking at that record I did notice that 
 they where writing about the marriage of Luiz Pereira Lopes but not knowing 
 Portuguese I wasn't sure because it was under baptism records.  I looked at 
 the record again and can see Maria Luiza. Now my question does she go by both 
 name Maria Luiza and Maria Candida do Rego?  Also on their daughter Maria 
 Trindade obit in 1883 it has Luiz Pereira Lopes wife as Maria de Jesus . I 
 just found another record for a Maria born to Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria 
 Candida de Rego 4 June 1862. Could this be the Maria Trindade who died in 
 1883? I think I am some how related from Francisco da Costa line that is why 
 I am researching this line. All the other information matches with what I 
 have down.
 Thanks for the help.
 Edward
 
 
 
 

 On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:
 
 Hello Edward.
 What I have on this family is in essence the same as what Maria Moore has 
 referred to.
 Now as to the link you attached, although it say baptismos it realy is the 
 marriage register of Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria Luisa on 2 September 1861.
 This Luis Pereira Lopes (27 years fo age) is the son of Joao Pereira Lopes 
 Gaspar and Joana de Jesus and the paternal grandson of Gaspar Lopes and 
 Quiteria de Jesus and maternal of Francisco da Costa Pires and Sebastiana de 
 Jesus.
 Maria Luisa (27 years of age) is the daughter of Candido do Rego and Maria 
 dos Anjos and the paternal granddaughter of Jose do Rego and Maria Joaquina 
 and maternal of Jose Botelho Nunes and Ana Francisca.
 As far as I can make out at the moment Maria Luisa is my 3rd cousin 3 times 
 removed.
 Hope that helps.
 Hermano
 
  
 From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:24:44 -0500
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Maria
 I have documents of baptism for five children of Luiz Pereira Lopes 1834-1927 
 to Maria Candida Do Rego
 
 Maria Trindade 1861-1883
 Elvira   1867
 Luiz  1870-1943
 Joao 1873
 Jose  1877-1969
 
 The record for Maria Trindade show Maria Candida do Rego as the mother. I am 
 believing Maria de Jesus is the woman he married when Maria Candida do Rego 
 died. I am looking for the records to support this.
 I still haven't checked the baptism record from 1862-1866 for any other 
 children.
 Maria do you read portuguese? I can send you the records I have.
 Edward
 
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, danandma...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Maria da Trindade died at 22 therefore was born around 1861 parents Luis 
 Pereira Lopes and Maria de Jesus
 
 the second Luis Pereira Lopes married to  Maria Luiza /do Rego/ or Maria 
 Candida do Rego they were married on 16 Sep 1861 ( as per Diana Silva on this 
 group).  I have them with 6 children born 1863 to 1877
 
 My conclusion is that they are not the same Luis.  possibly the first is an 
 uncle of the second
 
 Maria Moore
 
 
 From: Edward Rodrigues edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
 To: 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-19 Thread Edward Rodrigues
Pam
 I just found that record also and I believe it is Elvira
Edward
On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Pam Santos wrote:

 I would check the date of Sep 24, 1884, she had a child that died on that 
 date, But I can't make out the name
 
 
 On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Melinda Lopes melinda_lo...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 Edward et al,
  
 I will be happy to hear the outcome of this thread as the Jose Pereira Lopes 
 born in February, 1877, son of Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria Candida do Rego, 
 was my grandfather. Edward and I have conversed about this line and recently 
 I have received a massive amount of assistance from Manoel Ceasar in tracing 
 this line. Manoel's research showed that Maria Candida Do Rego was the 
 daughter of Candido Jacinto do Rego and Maria Botelho. aka Maria Candido 
 Coracao de Jesus. I will ask Manoel what he knows about the potential for two 
 Luiz Pereira Lopes.
  
 According to family history, my grandfather only spoke of siblings Luiz, Joao 
 and a sister that committed suicide when she couldn't marry the man she 
 loved. My grandfather was farmed out after his mother's death. Thus, Maria 
 Candida Do Rego died after 1877 and it is quite probable that she died after 
 1883. 
  
 I would love to hear from anyone who has a connection to this family so that 
 I can add to our family tree. For those of you who are family connections and 
 possible family finder matches, my father, John Lopes has a gedcom in his 
 family finder results. We also have a private tree on ancestry.com which I 
 can send you an invitation to join.
  
 Excited to hear from new relatives,
  
 Melinda Lopes
 
  
  
 From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:34:29 -0500
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 
 Hermano 
 I am confused because when I was looking at that record I did notice that 
 they where writing about the marriage of Luiz Pereira Lopes but not knowing 
 Portuguese I wasn't sure because it was under baptism records.  I looked at 
 the record again and can see Maria Luiza. Now my question does she go by both 
 name Maria Luiza and Maria Candida do Rego?  Also on their daughter Maria 
 Trindade obit in 1883 it has Luiz Pereira Lopes wife as Maria de Jesus . I 
 just found another record for a Maria born to Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria 
 Candida de Rego 4 June 1862. Could this be the Maria Trindade who died in 
 1883? I think I am some how related from Francisco da Costa line that is why 
 I am researching this line. All the other information matches with what I 
 have down.
 Thanks for the help.
 Edward
 
 
 
 

 On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:
 
 Hello Edward.
 What I have on this family is in essence the same as what Maria Moore has 
 referred to.
 Now as to the link you attached, although it say baptismos it realy is the 
 marriage register of Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria Luisa on 2 September 1861.
 This Luis Pereira Lopes (27 years fo age) is the son of Joao Pereira Lopes 
 Gaspar and Joana de Jesus and the paternal grandson of Gaspar Lopes and 
 Quiteria de Jesus and maternal of Francisco da Costa Pires and Sebastiana de 
 Jesus.
 Maria Luisa (27 years of age) is the daughter of Candido do Rego and Maria 
 dos Anjos and the paternal granddaughter of Jose do Rego and Maria Joaquina 
 and maternal of Jose Botelho Nunes and Ana Francisca.
 As far as I can make out at the moment Maria Luisa is my 3rd cousin 3 times 
 removed.
 Hope that helps.
 Hermano
 
  
 From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:24:44 -0500
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 Maria
 I have documents of baptism for five children of Luiz Pereira Lopes 1834-1927 
 to Maria Candida Do Rego
 
 Maria Trindade 1861-1883
 Elvira   1867
 Luiz  1870-1943
 Joao 1873
 Jose  1877-1969
 
 The record for Maria Trindade show Maria Candida do Rego as the mother. I am 
 believing Maria de Jesus is the woman he married when Maria Candida do Rego 
 died. I am looking for the records to support this.
 I still haven't checked the baptism record from 1862-1866 for any other 
 children.
 Maria do you read portuguese? I can send you the records I have.
 Edward
 
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, danandma...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Maria da Trindade died at 22 therefore was born around 1861 parents Luis 
 Pereira Lopes and Maria de Jesus
 
 the second Luis Pereira Lopes married to  Maria Luiza /do Rego/ or Maria 
 Candida do Rego they were married on 16 Sep 1861 ( as per Diana Silva on this 
 group).  I have them with 6 children born 1863 to 1877
 
 My conclusion is that they are not the same Luis.  possibly the first is an 
 uncle of the second
 
 Maria Moore
 
 
 From: Edward Rodrigues edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:38:18 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

2013-10-19 Thread Linda Jardin

Thank you so much for your help

Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!

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From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2013 17:23:08 PDT
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

Linda J,

The Passaporte record says that Antonio Ferreira and Leonor de Jesus are
both from Feteiras on Sao Miguel island.  He's 26, she's 29 and they are
married with a 5 month old.  The date of the passaporte is Feb 5, 1895, so
they were married as of that date.  Don't believe who ever told you that
they married in 1893.  They were married by Feb 5, 1895 and for all you
know, they married Feb. 4, 1895.  Or maybe 5 month old Maria was the first
baby to live and there are 5 other babies before her and your ancestors
married in 1890.  Start with the marriages of Feteiras, begin in Feb of
1895, and work back until you find the marriage.  When the site is up for
you, that is.  I'll go look for 5 or 10 minutes, but I've got to prep for
tomorrow's speeches.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-19 Thread Hermano C. Pires
Hello Melinda.
Maria Candida (Luisa) is my 3rd cousin 3X removed. Although I haven't keyed 
into this family because I lost track of them and for its distanceness, I would 
never the less love to ketch up on them by whatever means you would care to 
share. Conversely I would do the same.
Let me know, cousin :))
Hermano
 
From: melinda_lo...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:11:18 -0500




Edward et al,
 
I will be happy to hear the outcome of this thread as the Jose Pereira Lopes 
born in February, 1877, son of Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria Candida do Rego, 
was my grandfather. Edward and I have conversed about this line and recently I 
have received a massive amount of assistance from Manoel Ceasar in tracing this 
line. Manoel's research showed that Maria Candida Do Rego was the daughter of 
Candido Jacinto do Rego and Maria Botelho. aka Maria Candido Coracao de Jesus. 
I will ask Manoel what he knows about the potential for two Luiz Pereira Lopes.
 
According to family history, my grandfather only spoke of siblings Luiz, Joao 
and a sister that committed suicide when she couldn't marry the man she loved. 
My grandfather was farmed out after his mother's death. Thus, Maria Candida Do 
Rego died after 1877 and it is quite probable that she died after 1883. 
 
I would love to hear from anyone who has a connection to this family so that I 
can add to our family tree. For those of you who are family connections and 
possible family finder matches, my father, John Lopes has a gedcom in his 
family finder results. We also have a private tree on ancestry.com which I can 
send you an invitation to join.
 
Excited to hear from new relatives,
 
Melinda Lopes

 
 
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:34:29 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hermano I am confused because when I was looking at that record I did notice 
that they where writing about the marriage of Luiz Pereira Lopes but not 
knowing Portuguese I wasn't sure because it was under baptism records.  I 
looked at the record again and can see Maria Luiza. Now my question does she go 
by both name Maria Luiza and Maria Candida do Rego?  Also on their daughter 
Maria Trindade obit in 1883 it has Luiz Pereira Lopes wife as Maria de Jesus . 
I just found another record for a Maria born to Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria 
Candida de Rego 4 June 1862. Could this be the Maria Trindade who died in 1883? 
I think I am some how related from Francisco da Costa line that is why I am 
researching this line. All the other information matches with what I have 
down.Thanks for the help.Edward



   
On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:Hello Edward.
What I have on this family is in essence the same as what Maria Moore has 
referred to.
Now as to the link you attached, although it say baptismos it realy is the 
marriage register of Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria Luisa on 2 September 1861.
This Luis Pereira Lopes (27 years fo age) is the son of Joao Pereira Lopes 
Gaspar and Joana de Jesus and the paternal grandson of Gaspar Lopes and 
Quiteria de Jesus and maternal of Francisco da Costa Pires and Sebastiana de 
Jesus.
Maria Luisa (27 years of age) is the daughter of Candido do Rego and Maria dos 
Anjos and the paternal granddaughter of Jose do Rego and Maria Joaquina and 
maternal of Jose Botelho Nunes and Ana Francisca.
As far as I can make out at the moment Maria Luisa is my 3rd cousin 3 times 
removed.
Hope that helps.
Hermano

 
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:24:44 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

MariaI have documents of baptism for five children of Luiz Pereira Lopes 
1834-1927 to Maria Candida Do Rego
Maria Trindade 1861-1883Elvira   1867Luiz  
1870-1943Joao 1873Jose  1877-1969
The record for Maria Trindade show Maria Candida do Rego as the mother. I am 
believing Maria de Jesus is the woman he married when Maria Candida do Rego 
died. I am looking for the records to support this.I still haven't checked the 
baptism record from 1862-1866 for any other children.Maria do you read 
portuguese? I can send you the records I have.Edward
On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, danandma...@comcast.net wrote:Maria da Trindade 
died at 22 therefore was born around 1861 parents Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria 
de Jesus
the second Luis Pereira Lopes married to  Maria Luiza /do Rego/ or Maria 
Candida do Rego they were married on 16 Sep 1861 ( as per Diana Silva on this 
group).  I have them with 6 children born 1863 to 1877
My conclusion is that they are not the same Luis.  possibly the first is an 
uncle of the second
Maria Moore

From: Edward Rodrigues edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
To: 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-19 Thread Hermano C. Pires
Edward
Because of the distance of relationship before you got us into this the only 
information I had came from Maria Moore.
So far I from what I have seen it seems that Maria Luisa and Maria Candida and 
Maria de Jesus could be the same person for they have the same parents. I 
intend to persue this.
Would love to have what you may care to share on this line past Luis and Maria 
Luisa (Candida, de Jesus).
Conversely I will be only too glad to share whatever you think you would like 
to have from me.
Good to me you, cousin :))
Hermano
 
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:34:29 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hermano I am confused because when I was looking at that record I did notice 
that they where writing about the marriage of Luiz Pereira Lopes but not 
knowing Portuguese I wasn't sure because it was under baptism records.  I 
looked at the record again and can see Maria Luiza. Now my question does she go 
by both name Maria Luiza and Maria Candida do Rego?  Also on their daughter 
Maria Trindade obit in 1883 it has Luiz Pereira Lopes wife as Maria de Jesus . 
I just found another record for a Maria born to Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria 
Candida de Rego 4 June 1862. Could this be the Maria Trindade who died in 1883? 
I think I am some how related from Francisco da Costa line that is why I am 
researching this line. All the other information matches with what I have 
down.Thanks for the help.Edward



   
On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:Hello Edward.
What I have on this family is in essence the same as what Maria Moore has 
referred to.
Now as to the link you attached, although it say baptismos it realy is the 
marriage register of Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria Luisa on 2 September 1861.
This Luis Pereira Lopes (27 years fo age) is the son of Joao Pereira Lopes 
Gaspar and Joana de Jesus and the paternal grandson of Gaspar Lopes and 
Quiteria de Jesus and maternal of Francisco da Costa Pires and Sebastiana de 
Jesus.
Maria Luisa (27 years of age) is the daughter of Candido do Rego and Maria dos 
Anjos and the paternal granddaughter of Jose do Rego and Maria Joaquina and 
maternal of Jose Botelho Nunes and Ana Francisca.
As far as I can make out at the moment Maria Luisa is my 3rd cousin 3 times 
removed.
Hope that helps.
Hermano

 
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:24:44 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

MariaI have documents of baptism for five children of Luiz Pereira Lopes 
1834-1927 to Maria Candida Do Rego
Maria Trindade 1861-1883Elvira   1867Luiz  
1870-1943Joao 1873Jose  1877-1969
The record for Maria Trindade show Maria Candida do Rego as the mother. I am 
believing Maria de Jesus is the woman he married when Maria Candida do Rego 
died. I am looking for the records to support this.I still haven't checked the 
baptism record from 1862-1866 for any other children.Maria do you read 
portuguese? I can send you the records I have.Edward
On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, danandma...@comcast.net wrote:Maria da Trindade 
died at 22 therefore was born around 1861 parents Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria 
de Jesus
the second Luis Pereira Lopes married to  Maria Luiza /do Rego/ or Maria 
Candida do Rego they were married on 16 Sep 1861 ( as per Diana Silva on this 
group).  I have them with 6 children born 1863 to 1877
My conclusion is that they are not the same Luis.  possibly the first is an 
uncle of the second
Maria Moore

From: Edward Rodrigues edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:38:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

CheriThe reason I asked is I have records for Luiz Pereira Lopes being married 
and having four children with Maria Candida do Rego I have the documents 
confirming these. One girl and three boys, the girls name was Elvira (born 
1867) and supposed to be the oldest and committed suicide. I am looking for her 
dead record when I came across this record.I know Luiz Pereira Lopes remarried 
after the death of Maria Candida do Rego. Was wondering if maybe Maria de Jesus 
was this wife or if maybe Luiz was married before Maria Candida do Rego.Edward.

On Oct 18, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Cheri Mello wrote:Edward R,

The term is legitimate.  Not legal.  And if you are legitimate from one parent, 
you are legitimate from the other.  The term in Portuguese means your parents 
were married at the time of your birth.

She's the legitimate daughter of Luiz Pereira Lopes  Maria de Jesus.

Her parents were married at the time of her birth.

Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-19 Thread Melinda Lopes



Edward et al,
 
I wrote to Manoel Cesar and he responded as follows:
Maria Luiza who married to Luiz Pereira Lopes on 2 sep 1861, in Rosario - 
Lagoa, is the same Maria Candido do Rego or Maria de Jesus, as stated on the 
baptism records. It is common at this time, sometimes a Maria de Jesus goes by 
Maria da Conceição in one record, or Maria dos Anjos in another one, etc. It is 
complicated, but the first name Maria never changes. All we have to do is to 
look for all the baptisms for the siblings and see if the names of the parents 
and grandparents are the same.
In this case your Maria goes by the names: Maria Candida do Rego, Maria Luiza 
and Maria de Jesus. So, there is just one Luiz Pereira Lopes. I would 
appreciate any citations you have for Maria (all of her last names) and Luiz 
Pereira Lopes or their descendants. Manoel has generously located the records 
for Luiz' ancestors but I only have detailed information about the descendants 
of my grandfather, Jose born on February 5, 1877. It sounds like I might be 
related to  Hermano C. Pires  and others. Thank you in advance for any 
information you can provide, Melinda Lopes
 From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:43:12 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Will keep you informed as we progress
On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:39 AM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:You guys are moving too 
fast for me :))
Was busy trying to tie loose ends.
Will get back to this.
Hermano
 
From: melinda_lo...@hotmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 23:11:18 -0500

Edward et al,
 
I will be happy to hear the outcome of this thread as the Jose Pereira Lopes 
born in February, 1877, son of Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria Candida do Rego, 
was my grandfather. Edward and I have conversed about this line and recently I 
have received a massive amount of assistance from Manoel Ceasar in tracing this 
line. Manoel's research showed that Maria Candida Do Rego was the daughter of 
Candido Jacinto do Rego and Maria Botelho. aka Maria Candido Coracao de Jesus. 
I will ask Manoel what he knows about the potential for two Luiz Pereira Lopes.
 
According to family history, my grandfather only spoke of siblings Luiz, Joao 
and a sister that committed suicide when she couldn't marry the man she loved. 
My grandfather was farmed out after his mother's death. Thus, Maria Candida Do 
Rego died after 1877 and it is quite probable that she died after 1883. 
 
I would love to hear from anyone who has a connection to this family so that I 
can add to our family tree. For those of you who are family connections and 
possible family finder matches, my father, John Lopes has a gedcom in his 
family finder results. We also have a private tree on ancestry.com which I can 
send you an invitation to join.
 
Excited to hear from new relatives,
 
Melinda Lopes

 
 
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:34:29 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hermano I am confused because when I was looking at that record I did notice 
that they where writing about the marriage of Luiz Pereira Lopes but not 
knowing Portuguese I wasn't sure because it was under baptism records.  I 
looked at the record again and can see Maria Luiza. Now my question does she go 
by both name Maria Luiza and Maria Candida do Rego?  Also on their daughter 
Maria Trindade obit in 1883 it has Luiz Pereira Lopes wife as Maria de Jesus . 
I just found another record for a Maria born to Luiz Pereira Lopes and Maria 
Candida de Rego 4 June 1862. Could this be the Maria Trindade who died in 1883? 
I think I am some how related from Francisco da Costa line that is why I am 
researching this line. All the other information matches with what I have 
down.Thanks for the help.Edward



   
On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote:Hello Edward.
What I have on this family is in essence the same as what Maria Moore has 
referred to.
Now as to the link you attached, although it say baptismos it realy is the 
marriage register of Luis Pereira Lopes and Maria Luisa on 2 September 1861.
This Luis Pereira Lopes (27 years fo age) is the son of Joao Pereira Lopes 
Gaspar and Joana de Jesus and the paternal grandson of Gaspar Lopes and 
Quiteria de Jesus and maternal of Francisco da Costa Pires and Sebastiana de 
Jesus.
Maria Luisa (27 years of age) is the daughter of Candido do Rego and Maria dos 
Anjos and the paternal granddaughter of Jose do Rego and Maria Joaquina and 
maternal of Jose Botelho Nunes and Ana Francisca.
As far as I can make out at the moment Maria Luisa is my 3rd cousin 3 times 
removed.
Hope that helps.
Hermano

 
From: edward.s.rodrig...@att.net
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 19:24:44 -0500
To: 

[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

2013-10-19 Thread E Sharp
We have a match, non-Azorean,  at 37 markers at 2 steps with a different
surname.  I believe at 2 steps there is some connection.  I also have 3
matches with the same surname one at 0 steps (both from same
Generation),one at 1 step, 1 at 2 steps (and this is the one I believe we
are descended from so I am still scratching my head).  Maybe because one
tested is Generation 8 and the other Generation 9???  Nonetheless, I am
also trying to figure out why this different surname tested at 2 steps??

E

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

2013-10-19 Thread ttcostadc

E,
 
Which test is this? Iinitially thought you were talking about the Family Finder 
test, but after readin 32 markers, now I am thinking it's  maybe a Y-DNA 
test? Also, as the Google group was included, I couldn't tell if for sure it 
was me you were matching.
I am always interested in meeting cousins, especially Azorean ones, even if the 
connection is from another route - I think that kinda adds to the interest.
Please let me  know.  I will go online with FamilyTreeDNA, presently.
 
-Trevor


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Sent: Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:35 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname



We have a match, non-Azorean,  at 37 markers at 2 steps with a different 
surname.  I believe at 2 steps there is some connection.  I also have 3 matches 
with the same surname one at 0 steps (both from same Generation),one at 1 step, 
1 at 2 steps (and this is the one I believe we are descended from so I am still 
scratching my head).  Maybe because one tested is Generation 8 and the other 
Generation 9???  Nonetheless, I am also trying to figure out why this different 
surname tested at 2 steps??
 
E

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

2013-10-19 Thread hmayer21
Hi Kathy, I am also getting the error message. Henrietta

From: Kathy Cardoza 
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:47 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site error?

Yes, I'm getting the error  on Mac's Safari  and Firefox and on Internet 
Explorer on Windows 7.

~~~
Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html

Climb my Family Tree:
http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html
~~~




On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:


  and I accessed it with Firefox.




  On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Joe Matias joe.mudd...@gmail.com wrote:

I just tried it now,with no error.Im using google chrome.



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  Is anyone else getting an error message when accessing the site?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

2013-10-19 Thread E Sharp
Trevor, this is Y-DNA and no I was not matching you specifically.  This is
my husband's McNeal family and I am more confused than ever with these DNA
results but I did go back and read FTDNA message of different surnames and
I think I understand it now.  The poor girl who contacted me about it is
also more confused than I am so I guess I am not alone.
E


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  E,

 Which test is this? Iinitially thought you were talking about the Family
 Finder test, but after readin 32 markers, now I am thinking it's  maybe a
 Y-DNA test? Also, as the Google group was included, I couldn't tell if for
 sure it was me you were matching.
 I am always interested in meeting cousins, especially Azorean ones, even
 if the connection is from another route - I think that kinda adds to the
 interest.
 Please let me  know.  I will go online with FamilyTreeDNA, presently.

 -Trevor
  -Original Message-
 From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com
 To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:35 pm
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

  We have a match, non-Azorean,  at 37 markers at 2 steps with a different
 surname.  I believe at 2 steps there is some connection.  I also have 3
 matches with the same surname one at 0 steps (both from same
 Generation),one at 1 step, 1 at 2 steps (and this is the one I believe we
 are descended from so I am still scratching my head).  Maybe because one
 tested is Generation 8 and the other Generation 9???  Nonetheless, I am
 also trying to figure out why this different surname tested at 2 steps??

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Tranlation help please - Antonio Silveira (d/Azevedo)

2013-10-19 Thread Lee
Could someone please help with the document below? (record at the top left)
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1781-1804/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1781-1804_item1/P179.html
 
This is the baptismal record of Antonio Silveira d'Azevedo and his twin 
Jose; sons of Francisco SIlveira (also known as d'Azevedo per Antonio's 
marriage record)  and Victoria Luiza.
 
That much I can decipher...the rest is a toughie for me; I can see what 
looks like Ignacio da Sil? da Luis (paternal grandparent?.and I can't 
even find the date (I know it's about 1802; but I'm not sure about that.
 
I can also see several names further down in the record; but can't make out 
if these are the godparents or who?
 
Any and all help, greatly appreciated.
 
Lee
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

2013-10-19 Thread ttcostadc

E,

Someone please correct me, if they know I am wrong.  Y-DNA goes way back.  The 
lack of importance the Azoreans gave to surnames is one way the names can end 
up being different, at the end of the day.  Also, when these Y-DNA markers 
decided to show up, nations weren't, in general, using surnames.  Thus your 
extended family could have been ascribed different names, in different locales. 
 I have never found a Y-DNA match that matches my surname. Supposedly, my 
original surname is Fernandes.  Doesn't help me when my Y-DNA matches are 
from1) the US (Weeks) ,2) Canary Islands (Rodriguez), and 3) Georgia, Europe.  
What's most important for me is that if I get a match, one day, I should be 
able to trace father after fathers line to them.  That's the idea anyway.  Same 
for the mothers.  That would be great.

-Trevor Costa (Va/DC)


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Sent: Sun, Oct 20, 2013 12:20 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname



Trevor, this is Y-DNA and no I was not matching you specifically.  This is my 
husband's McNeal family and I am more confused than ever with these DNA results 
but I did go back and read FTDNA message of different surnames and I think I 
understand it now.  The poor girl who contacted me about it is also more 
confused than I am so I guess I am not alone.
E 




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E,
 
Which test is this? Iinitially thought you were talking about the Family Finder 
test, but after readin 32 markers, now I am thinking it's  maybe a Y-DNA 
test? Also, as the Google group was included, I couldn't tell if for sure it 
was me you were matching.
I am always interested in meeting cousins, especially Azorean ones, even if the 
connection is from another route - I think that kinda adds to the interest.
Please let me  know.  I will go online with FamilyTreeDNA, presently.
 
-Trevor


-Original Message-
From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com
To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:35 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname



We have a match, non-Azorean,  at 37 markers at 2 steps with a different 
surname.  I believe at 2 steps there is some connection.  I also have 3 matches 
with the same surname one at 0 steps (both from same Generation),one at 1 step, 
1 at 2 steps (and this is the one I believe we are descended from so I am still 
scratching my head).  Maybe because one tested is Generation 8 and the other 
Generation 9???  Nonetheless, I am also trying to figure out why this different 
surname tested at 2 steps??
 
E

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tranlation help please - Antonio Silveira (d/Azevedo)

2013-10-19 Thread Pam Santos
Born on 22 Jun for sure I think the year is 1800 Baptized on the 30 June.
godparents: Jose Pereira Luiz and Laurianna Rose?  and Antonio Jose Dutra
the rest not sure. But it does not list grandparetns


On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 Could someone please help with the document below? (record at the top left)


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1781-1804/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1781-1804_item1/P179.html

 This is the baptismal record of Antonio Silveira d'Azevedo and his twin
 Jose; sons of Francisco SIlveira (also known as d'Azevedo per Antonio's
 marriage record)  and Victoria Luiza.

 That much I can decipher...the rest is a toughie for me; I can see what
 looks like Ignacio da Sil? da Luis (paternal grandparent?.and I can't
 even find the date (I know it's about 1802; but I'm not sure about that.

 I can also see several names further down in the record; but can't make
 out if these are the godparents or who?

 Any and all help, greatly appreciated.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

2013-10-19 Thread Pam Santos
Yeah I wondered why my Spanish side has Ydna matches with the surnames
WORDEN, not just 1 or 2 but ALOT


On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:38 PM, ttcost...@aol.com wrote:

 E,

 Someone please correct me, if they know I am wrong.  Y-DNA goes way back.
 The lack of importance the Azoreans gave to surnames is one way the names
 can end up being different, at the end of the day.  Also, when these Y-DNA
 markers decided to show up, nations weren't, in general, using surnames.
 Thus your extended family could have been ascribed different names, in
 different locales.  I have never found a Y-DNA match that matches my
 surname. Supposedly, my original surname is Fernandes.  Doesn't help me
 when my Y-DNA matches are from1) the US (Weeks) ,2) Canary Islands
 (Rodriguez), and 3) Georgia, Europe.  What's most important for me is that
 if I get a match, one day, I should be able to trace father after fathers
 line to them.  That's the idea anyway.  Same for the mothers.  That would
 be great.

 -Trevor Costa (Va/DC)
  -Original Message-
 From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com
 To: azores azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sun, Oct 20, 2013 12:20 am
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

  Trevor, this is Y-DNA and no I was not matching you specifically.  This
 is my husband's McNeal family and I am more confused than ever with these
 DNA results but I did go back and read FTDNA message of different surnames
 and I think I understand it now.  The poor girl who contacted me about it
 is also more confused than I am so I guess I am not alone.
 E


 On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:40 PM, ttcost...@aol.com wrote:

  E,

 Which test is this? Iinitially thought you were talking about the Family
 Finder test, but after readin 32 markers, now I am thinking it's  maybe a
 Y-DNA test? Also, as the Google group was included, I couldn't tell if for
 sure it was me you were matching.
 I am always interested in meeting cousins, especially Azorean ones, even
 if the connection is from another route - I think that kinda adds to the
 interest.
 Please let me  know.  I will go online with FamilyTreeDNA, presently.

 -Trevor
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 From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com
 To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sat, Oct 19, 2013 9:35 pm
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Question - Match with different surname

  We have a match, non-Azorean,  at 37 markers at 2 steps with a
 different surname.  I believe at 2 steps there is some connection.  I also
 have 3 matches with the same surname one at 0 steps (both from same
 Generation),one at 1 step, 1 at 2 steps (and this is the one I believe we
 are descended from so I am still scratching my head).  Maybe because one
 tested is Generation 8 and the other Generation 9???  Nonetheless, I am
 also trying to figure out why this different surname tested at 2 steps??

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-19 Thread Cheri Mello
Repost for Edward Rodrigues, edward.s.rodrigues at att.net

Melinda, Hermano and Pam
1. do you know how to go on line to
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/default.aspx?serie=0ilha=2concelho=15
2. if you do I can give you instruction on how to go to different records
that I found. they are all in Portuguese but you can still see the
information.
3. If you want to call me, rather then do this on this site this offer goes
to you Hermano and Pam too. Email me at edward.s.rodrigues at att.net and I
will give you my phone number off list.
4. I can list the page number also for the records if you know how to
transit the site.
5. I am still trying to make the connection to the your de Costa line and
my De Costa line.
Edward

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] need help with obit for Maria da Trindade

2013-10-19 Thread Pam Santos
I am still getting errors on CCA site, if you send a link to an record I
can view it.  But other than I have not been able to view records for 2
days now. and yes I am very familar with Culturacores site.



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 Repost for Edward Rodrigues, edward.s.rodrigues at att.net

 Melinda, Hermano and Pam
 1. do you know how to go on line to
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/default.aspx?serie=0ilha=2concelho=15
 2. if you do I can give you instruction on how to go to different records
 that I found. they are all in Portuguese but you can still see the
 information.
 3. If you want to call me, rather then do this on this site this offer
 goes to you Hermano and Pam too. Email me at edward.s.rodrigues at att.netand 
 I will give you my phone number off list.
 4. I can list the page number also for the records if you know how to
 transit the site.
 5. I am still trying to make the connection to the your de Costa line and
 my De Costa line.
  Edward

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