date:20140122

Evee,

It's not the last banknote. It's simply stating that on 1924, this person's 
'Personal cédula' was issued. I used to have one of those (even though I 
was born 50 years after). It was a single document that condensed all the 
vital records in there: birth, marriage, divorce, marriage, etc.. These 
were issued as ID documents that you could carry around, but usually only 
needed for important events. I think mine was issued when I registered for 
primary school. 

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt

On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:24:47 UTC+1, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:

 Yes, that is exactly the town.  My ancestor’s husband, Antonio Rodrigues 
 Carapinha, was born there in 1866.

  

 There is a note in the margin of the baptism record that seems to say 
 something about the last banknote June 24, 1924.  I don’t know what that 
 might mean.  I have attached a PDF file that is quite legible.

  

 I know this is getting away from the original thread.  Sorry….

  

 Evee

  

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 azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *João Ventura
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 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Announcing tombo.pt: a new site for 
 the genealogists interested in Portugal

  

 Hello, Evee

  

 Thanks for the thanks. That's what keeps me going :) Also, the fact that 
 I've been a user of the site myself way before everyone else, so that I 
 know how useful it is to condense those bloody 20+ websites into a single 
 one.

  

 Just out of curiosity, was it the town that is now called Montijo (
 http://tombo.pt/f/mtj02)?

  

 Regards,

  

 João Ventura

 http://tombo.pt


 On Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:56:01 UTC+1, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:

 Success today using your site for the first time, Joao.

  

 My great grand aunt from Santo Amaro, Pico, married a man from Aldeia 
 Galega, Lisboa, Portugal in 1891 in Santo Amaro.  I was able to find his 
 baptism record (using his approximate age from the marriage record) using 
 the search feature on your web page.

  

 I got lucky because the age listed in the marriage record turned out to be 
 accurate;  so I didn’t have to search all day….

  

 Thank you for the page announcement and for all the research assistance 
 you provide.

  

 Evee

  

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 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Announcing tombo.pt: a new site for the 
 genealogists interested in Portugal

  

 I've changed the district navigation.. For the Azores and Madeira, it's 
 now Region - Island-  Municipality - Parish.

  

 Joao C. Ventura

 http://tombo.pt


 On Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:18:29 UTC+1, João Ventura wrote:

 Hello everyone,

  

 I'm happy to announce that last week, I made available the 
 http://tombo.ptwebsite. The objective of this site is to make it (a lot) 
 easier to access 
 the Portuguese parish records.

  

 Among other features:

 - List of new parish books from the previous day. I just enabled it to 
 also search the Azores automatically, so disregard the São Sebastião date.

 - Simple browsing via District - Municipality - Parish. Do note that I'm 
 using the 1911 districts, so the Azores districts are: Angra do Heroísmo, 
 Horta and Ponta Delgada.

 - Merging the books of different archives into the same parish. Not 
 applicable to those researching in the Azores. But it may be a revelation 
 for those searching in mainland Portugal: some of those 'lost' books are 
 actually in Lisbon.

 - Search capability (search for the parish, and with a bit of luck the 
 site will list it).

  

 The site is still under development, but from now on, it's only new 
 features or cosmetic changes (the site's style is still a bit raw).

  

 Happy researching,

  

 Joao C. Ventura

 http://tombo.pt

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ponta Garca is done

Hi Cheri,

Since that line you're referring to is actually government information that 
I imported, I can't say I had verified it before. However, from thegovernment 
decreehttp://www.dre.pt/cgi/dr1s.exe?t=drcap=1-1200doc=19803116%20v02=v01=2v03=1900-01-01v04=3000-12-21v05=v06=v07=v08=v09=v10=v11=Decreto%20Regionalv12=24/80/Av13=v14=v15=sort=0submit=Pesquisarthat
 created (in 1980), it does say it broke off from S. Miguel, so you're 
right on the 'mother parish'.

And yes, that line specifically mentions that it already had parish records 
since the 1839. Apparently when they created the civil parishes in 1910, 
that one was forgotten, and they only noticed 70 years later.

Still, what I meant to say is that in the alphabet 'R' comes before 'S'. So 
I expect that one to come up before S. Miguel Arcanjo.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt

On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:00:27 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Ribeira das Tainhas (the freguesia that my ancestors came from) was not 
 part of Ponta Garca.  It broke off from  the Sao Miguel Arcanjo church 
 around the early 1830s.  I'd have to check my notes.  

 I've seen all their books, on film and in person when I was at the 
 archives.

 It doesn't have anything to do with the uploading of the Ponta Garca 
 records, although I'm sure Tainhas people can be found in PG as well as 
 Vila Franca.


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  wrote:

 Hi Cheri,

 Hate to break it to you, but they may also post the books for Ribeira 
 das Tainhas. According to my site, that parish has books since 1839: 
 http://tombo.pt/f/vfc05

 The archives catalog website of the Azorean Region which is now back 
 online, after a long downtime period, confirms the existance of those 
 books: http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1023148

 Regards,

 João Ventura
 http://tombo.pt

 On Tuesday, 21 January 2014 19:53:56 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:

 I'm going to say that it looks like Ponta Garca is done.

 All baptisms, marriages, and deaths.  2 books of indices (marriages 
 1849-1986 and and baptisms 1861-1972...I think these were the ones I saw 
 when I was there).  And a couple of perfilhacoes books too.

 ABCDEFGSao Miguel Arcanjo should be next

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 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luso American Education Fdn. Conference April 24-27 Berkeley CA. Joao Ventura Class Friday, April 25.

2014-01-22 Thread rondo ranch

Please forward me a copy. D-Original Message-
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luso American Education Fdn. Conference April 24-27 Berkeley CA. Joao Ventura Class Friday, April 25.

I just received the brochure for the 38th Annual Congress of Luso American Education Foundation and it says Joao Ventura will have an all day class on Friday April 25, 2014 starting at 8:30 am. The class and lunch are $40. If you would like a copy of the brochure to attend the conference and/orsign up forJoao's class, email me privately and I will forward it along to you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luso American Education Fdn. Conference April 24-27 Berkeley CA. Joao Ventura Class Friday, April 25.

2014-01-22 Thread rondo ranch

sorry, forgot to do it privately.-Original Message-
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luso American Education Fdn. Conference April 24-27 Berkeley CA. Joao Ventura Class Friday, April 25.

I just received the brochure for the 38th Annual Congress of Luso American Education Foundation and it says Joao Ventura will have an all day class on Friday April 25, 2014 starting at 8:30 am. The class and lunch are $40. If you would like a copy of the brochure to attend the conference and/orsign up forJoao's class, email me privately and I will forward it along to you.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Maker

2014-01-22 Thread brownat68

I am in the market for Family Tree Software. I have been using Roots Magic 
but I am used to the Ancestry interface. Can you print out wall charts with 
Family Tree Maker? Can you also export a gedcom for FTDNA's tree without 
all the tildes?

Todd

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 I have a membership to Ancestry.com and for the most part seem to have   
 expired the available data.  Is Family Tree Maker just an enhancement   
 to my Ancestry membership?  I am just wondering where I might go   
 next...any thoughts? 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to correctly list place of event

 

It is interesting to note the Tombo site (http://tombo.pt/ ) has broken
Location as:

Country: Portugal

District/Region: Azores

Ilhas: Sao Miguel

Municipios: Ribeira Grande

Freguesias: Ribeirinha

 

If your genealogy program (Such as Family Tree Maker) uses one line Then on
that line you would enter: Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores,
Portugal. If you wanted an address or name of a church then it would be
added before the Freguesia: 9 Rua Mainos, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Sao
Miguel, Acores, Portugal. This form of a location is in the reverse order of
writing a mailing address in some countries where the lowest entity is
written last.

 

In genealogy programs that you enter locations by separate headings you may
run into a problem the program may have only lines such as: Address, City,
County, State, Country, This presents a problem in my case as to how to make
it all fit. The solution I decided on was to combine The District/Region
with the Ilhas. This way I enter: Sao Miguel, Azores in the State line. It
is possible using my genealogy program (The Master Genealogist) to customize
the location box and add in Island in the appropriate place. 

 

As I stated in an earlier message I never abbreviate I spell out locations.
Most programs have Fast Fields that save work in spelling out full names. In
my program I just hit F-3 any number of times for the location. It is
interesting the this Fast Field feature is carried to the sources which is
very helpful when entering a source to a number of indiviuals.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:39 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to correctly list place of event

 

Bernadette,

There's going to be a group of us trying to come up with a consensus on how
to list things.  People can do how they please, though, but it would be nice
to have something as a guideline.

I only list the church if there is more than one in that village.
Personally, I put island after the island.  That just may be because there
are so many Sao Miguel churches I just want to be sure that it's clear that
I'm not talking about a church but Sao Miguel island.  Sao Jorge (island vs.
a church) would be another example.  It only becomes a problem if something
is amiss in a Gedcom transfer.

I'm lazy and don't put Portugal.  I also don't put that I was born in
America either.  It just stops at the state of California (which I need to
quit abbreviating).  Any other country though, I do enter.  So really, I
should be consistent and fill in the country field in my program on all
entries.


Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder result parents distantly related

2014-01-22 Thread brownat68

I got my mothers Family Finder results in last night and it looks like my 
parents are distantly related. My uncle (fathers brother) and my mother 
come up as a match with each other. My fathers only connection to the 
Azores is the Brum family from Faial. All 4 of my mothers grandparents are 
from the Azores and I have only touched on the records for her family.

I can see a relation with a tree posted who has many Brum's in it that I 
need to contact. Any other Brum's out there?

Has anyone else had this happen?

Also my mothers sister of course comes up as a match with my mother but 
doesn't have half the matches from the Azores as my mother does.

Todd

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Maker

2014-01-22 Thread Cheri Mello

Todd B,

ALL genealogy software programs on the market today will export Gedcoms.
Putting in the diacritics (tildes, accents, etc) is your choice.

All the programs also make charts, but you may prefer some over the others.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Soldado da Marinha

2014-01-22 Thread Manuel Sousa

Soldado da Marinha was a soldier in other words a Marine ( like in the US) 
in Portugal a Marine was known as a Fuzileiro that was assigned to ships 
this continued to the time of the wars in Africa that Portugal was involved 
and I have a handful of friends that were Fulizeiros that's the name they 
like to be called and served in missions in the wars of Africa.




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Announcing tombo.pt: a new site for the genealogists interested in Portugal

2014-01-22 Thread Evee Kiler

Thank you once again, Joao.  

Evee

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Announcing tombo.pt: a new site for the 
genealogists interested in Portugal

Evee,

It's not the last banknote. It's simply stating that on 1924, this person's 
'Personal cédula' was issued. I used to have one of those (even though I was 
born 50 years after). It was a single document that condensed all the vital 
records in there: birth, marriage, divorce, marriage, etc.. These were issued 
as ID documents that you could carry around, but usually only needed for 
important events. I think mine was issued when I registered for primary school. 

João Ventura

http://tombo.pt

On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 02:24:47 UTC+1, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:

Yes, that is exactly the town.  My ancestor’s husband, Antonio Rodrigues 
Carapinha, was born there in 1866.

There is a note in the margin of the baptism record that seems to say something 
about the last banknote June 24, 1924.  I don’t know what that might mean.  I 
have attached a PDF file that is quite legible.

I know this is getting away from the original thread.  Sorry….

Evee

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Announcing tombo.pt: a new site for the 
genealogists interested in Portugal

Hello, Evee

Thanks for the thanks. That's what keeps me going :) Also, the fact that I've 
been a user of the site myself way before everyone else, so that I know how 
useful it is to condense those bloody 20+ websites into a single one.

Just out of curiosity, was it the town that is now called Montijo 
(http://tombo.pt/f/mtj02)?

Regards,

João Ventura

http://tombo.pt

On Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:56:01 UTC+1, Evee Silva Kiler wrote:

Success today using your site for the first time, Joao.

My great grand aunt from Santo Amaro, Pico, married a man from Aldeia Galega, 
Lisboa, Portugal in 1891 in Santo Amaro.  I was able to find his baptism record 
(using his approximate age from the marriage record) using the search feature 
on your web page.

I got lucky because the age listed in the marriage record turned out to be 
accurate;  so I didn’t have to search all day….

Thank you for the page announcement and for all the research assistance you 
provide.

Evee

From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
João Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:23 AM
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Announcing tombo.pt: a new site for the 
genealogists interested in Portugal

I've changed the district navigation.. For the Azores and Madeira, it's now 
Region - Island-  Municipality - Parish.

Joao C. Ventura

http://tombo.pt http://tombo.pt/ 

On Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:18:29 UTC+1, João Ventura wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm happy to announce that last week, I made available the http://tombo.pt 
website. The objective of this site is to make it (a lot) easier to access the 
Portuguese parish records.

Among other features:

- List of new parish books from the previous day. I just enabled it to also 
search the Azores automatically, so disregard the São Sebastião date.

- Simple browsing via District - Municipality - Parish. Do note that I'm 
using the 1911 districts, so the Azores districts are: Angra do Heroísmo, Horta 
and Ponta Delgada.

- Merging the books of different archives into the same parish. Not applicable 
to those researching in the Azores. But it may be a revelation for those 
searching in mainland Portugal: some of those 'lost' books are actually in 
Lisbon.

- Search capability (search for the parish, and with a bit of luck the site 
will list it).

The site is still under development, but from now on, it's only new features or 
cosmetic changes (the site's style is still a bit raw).

Happy researching,

Joao C. Ventura

http://tombo.pt

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to correctly list place of event

Hi Rick,

Well, the island (Ilha) is a recent feature. Mostly because I found it
confusing as well. I based my hierarchy on this file by the Portuguese
National Archives:
http://www.adporto.pt/ficheiros_a_descarregar/codificacao_municipios_e_freguesias_2006.pdf.

Note that that one has no island, and that's why at some point I decided to
use the 1910 districts (Ponta Delgada, Angra and Horta), to break it up
into manageable collections of municipalities. Honestly, it still confused
the hell out of me, so now that I'm almost ready to enter the 9346 books of
the Madeira archive, I wanted to make it more intuitive.

Getting back on the original topic, my genealogy program actually uses the
reverse notation: Portugal, Açores, São Miguel, Ribeira Grande, Ribeirinha.
That way, it can easily group all the São Miguel records, including the
subsets in Ribeira Grande or Ponta Delgada.

That being said, the GEDCOM 5.5. standard does clearly say that it should
be the order you use (
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#PLACE_HIERARCHY):

This shows the jurisdictional entities that are named in a sequence from
the lowest to the highest jurisdiction. The jurisdictions are separated by
commas, and any jurisdiction's name that is missing is still accounted for
by a comma.

But then again, the GEDCOM standard is lacking in so many ways...

Regards,

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt

On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:26:07 UTC+1, Richard Francis Pimentel
wrote:

*It is interesting to note the Tombo site (http://tombo.pt/
http://tombo.pt/ ) has broken Location as:*

*Country: Portugal*

*District/Region: Azores*

*Ilhas: Sao Miguel*

*Municipios: Ribeira Grande*

*Freguesias: Ribeirinha*

*If your genealogy program (Such as Family Tree Maker) uses one line Then
on that line you would enter: Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel,
Acores, Portugal. If you wanted an address or name of a church then it
would be added before the Freguesia: 9 Rua Mainos, Ribeirinha, Ribeira
Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores, Portugal. This form of a location is in the
reverse order of writing a mailing address in some countries where the
lowest entity is written last.*

*In genealogy programs that you enter locations by separate headings you
may run into a problem the program may have only lines such as: Address,
City, County, State, Country, This presents a problem in my case as to how
to make it all fit. The solution I decided on was to combine The
District/Region with the Ilhas. This way I enter: Sao Miguel, Azores in the
State line. It is possible using my genealogy program (The Master
Genealogist) to customize the location box and add in Island in the
appropriate place. *

*As I stated in an earlier message I never abbreviate I spell out
locations. Most programs have Fast Fields that save work in spelling out
full names. In my program I just hit “F-3” any number of times for the
location. It is interesting the this Fast Field feature is carried to the
sources which is very helpful when entering a source to a number of
indiviuals.*

*Rick*

*Richard Francis Pimentel*

*Spring, TX*

*From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
*Sent:* Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:39 PM
*To:* Azores Genealogy
*Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to correctly list place of event

Bernadette,

There's going to be a group of us trying to come up with a consensus on
how to list things. People can do how they please, though, but it would be
nice to have something as a guideline.

I only list the church if there is more than one in that village.
Personally, I put island after the island. That just may be because
there are so many Sao Miguel churches I just want to be sure that it's
clear that I'm not talking about a church but Sao Miguel island. Sao Jorge
(island vs. a church) would be another example. It only becomes a problem
if something is amiss in a Gedcom transfer.

I'm lazy and don't put Portugal. I also don't put that I was born in
America either. It just stops at the state of California (which I need to
quit abbreviating). Any other country though, I do enter. So really, I
should be consistent and fill in the country field in my program on all
entries.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder result parents distantly related

2014-01-22 Thread Cheri Mello

Todd B,

Yes, my parents are 6th cousins.  My dad (half Portuguese/half American)
has 1 German line embedded in that American half and that's how he
matches my mom.

Siblings will show different matches.  Your mom has half her parents DNA,
25% of her grands, 12.5% of her greats, and 6.25% of her 2 greats.  Your
mom's sister has the same stats, BUT she may not have the exact same 6.25%
that your mom does.  Hers may be different.  That's why we see different
distant matches.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] manuel de Medeiros Brillante

2014-01-22 Thread Aaron Pereira

Thanks Pam.  I'm working on the Medeiros Brilhante line from Sao Jose and Faja 
de Baixo.  
I'll research and determine their relation.

I've looked at a lot of marriages of various parish records and I haven't come 
across any that list the paternal and maternal grandparents.  

I guess I haven't looked at many as I thought, haha.  

Has anyone else come across records that list grandparents in mariage 
recordings?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to correctly list place of event

Hi Joao,

 

I feel it makes the most sense to have the Island as it represents a degree of 
separation (you just can’t walk from one island to another) and is easier to 
associate with that a district which encompasses more than one island.

You are right the GEDCOM 5.5 is lacking in many aspects. But that is all we 
have. I doubt we will see any change to it in the future. 

 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
João Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:49 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to correctly list place of event

 

Hi Rick,

 

Well, the island (Ilha) is a recent feature. Mostly because I found it 
confusing as well. I based my hierarchy on this file by the Portuguese National 
Archives: 

http://www.adporto.pt/ficheiros_a_descarregar/codificacao_municipios_e_freguesias_2006.pdf.
 Note that that one has no island, and that's why at some point I decided to 
use the 1910 districts (Ponta Delgada, Angra and Horta), to break it up into 
manageable collections of municipalities. Honestly, it still confused the hell 
out of me, so now that I'm almost ready to enter the 9346 books of the Madeira 
archive, I wanted to make it more intuitive.

 

Getting back on the original topic, my genealogy program actually uses the 
reverse notation: Portugal, Açores, São Miguel, Ribeira Grande, Ribeirinha. 
That way, it can easily group all the São Miguel records, including the subsets 
in Ribeira Grande or Ponta Delgada.

 

That being said, the GEDCOM 5.5. standard does clearly say that it should be 
the order you use 
(http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#PLACE_HIERARCHY):
 This shows the jurisdictional entities that are named in a sequence from the 
lowest to the highest jurisdiction. The jurisdictions are separated by commas, 
and any jurisdiction's name that is missing is still accounted for by a comma.

 

But then again, the GEDCOM standard is lacking in so many ways...

 

Regards,

 

João Ventura

http://tombo.pt


On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:26:07 UTC+1, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 

It is interesting to note the Tombo site (http://tombo.pt/ ) has broken 
Location as:

Country: Portugal

District/Region: Azores

Ilhas: Sao Miguel

Municipios: Ribeira Grande

Freguesias: Ribeirinha

 

If your genealogy program (Such as Family Tree Maker) uses one line Then on 
that line you would enter: Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores, 
Portugal. If you wanted an address or name of a church then it would be added 
before the Freguesia: 9 Rua Mainos, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel, 
Acores, Portugal. This form of a location is in the reverse order of writing a 
mailing address in some countries where the lowest entity is written last.

 

In genealogy programs that you enter locations by separate headings you may run 
into a problem the program may have only lines such as: Address, City, County, 
State, Country, This presents a problem in my case as to how to make it all 
fit. The solution I decided on was to combine The District/Region with the 
Ilhas. This way I enter: Sao Miguel, Azores in the State line. It is possible 
using my genealogy program (The Master Genealogist) to customize the location 
box and add in Island in the appropriate place. 

 

As I stated in an earlier message I never abbreviate I spell out locations. 
Most programs have Fast Fields that save work in spelling out full names. In my 
program I just hit “F-3” any number of times for the location. It is 
interesting the this Fast Field feature is carried to the sources which is very 
helpful when entering a source to a number of indiviuals.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Mr. Johan Verelst FTDNA Match

2014-01-22 Thread Marilyn Thompson

Help! I do not know what Wim is even referring too in the email. I sent
an email asking if this person would consider posting a GEDCOM to their
tested person and this is what was sent.

I know this is not Azorean, but would you consider helping me understand,
please. I do not even know where to find the values he has mentioned. 
DF19+ and DF88+ let alone the L644

The kit number they gave is not mine. My kit for James A Miller is 211318.

It might be easier to talk me through this on the phone. I would be
available after 8:30pm CA time. 801 254-5985

Thank you

Marilyn

ps Gilbert Machado's test kit has been received by FTDNA. His is an
Azorean.

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From: Wim Verelst wimvere...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Mr. Johan Verelst FTDNA Match
To: Marilyn Thompson mari...@jmtmlt.com


Hello Marilyn,

the paper trail of Johan Verelst's ancestry ends in a man named Cornelis
Verelst, born about 1565 in a small village south from Antwerp (present-day
Belgium). However, he is genetically related to me, and we share a
biologically confirmed ancestor who lived in that same region in the 15th
century.

Is the kit number of your James A. Miller 228805? I am one of the
volunteer co-administrators of the P312  Subclades project at FTDNA, and
in this project we have quite a few Miller samples that have tested
positive for the DF19 and DF88 mutations. Is yours one of these? My own
Verelst family is also DF19+ DF88+, but unlike the Miller / Müller family
it has an additional mutation, L644. Any historic connection between the
Miller and Verelst lineages thus necessarily pre-dates the origin of the
L644 mutation, and because we estimate that L644 originated roughly between
the 5th and 8th century AD, we need to go back at least 1300 years to find
a common ancestor. I expect that this MRCA lived in northern Germany or
Denmark.

  Best regards,

 Wim Verelst.



  On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:49 PM, Marilyn Thompson mari...@jmtmlt.com
wrote:
 Mr. Johan Verelst
is listed as a distant ancestral match to my James A Miller.

Would you please consider posting a GEDCOM file so we may attempt to locate
the connection between Johan and James?

Thank you
Marilyn

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading date needed please

2014-01-22 Thread CaraBela

I have found my great-grandmother's baptism record! Yeah I was hoping  
someone could tell me the day of the baptism. I can make out the December 
1898,  but the day isn't clear to me. I'm thinking maybe onze, 11th? Can 
someone help  me please?  The link is below. It is the very last line on the 
right page.,  #131. 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1890-189
9/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1890-1899_item1/P429.html
 
Thank you in advance.
Sherry Barnhurst

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading date needed please

2014-01-22 Thread rcapodc

Sherry, I looks like onze to me!  Rosemarie 


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To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading date needed please

I have found my great-grandmother's baptism record! Yeah I was hoping 
someone could tell me the day of the baptism. I can make out the December 1898, 
but the day isn't clear to me. I'm thinking maybe onze, 11th? Can someone 
help me please?  The link is below. It is the very last line on the right 
page., #131. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1890-1899_item1/P429.html

Thank you in advance.
Sherry Barnhurst
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[AZORES-Genealogy] AFONSO ANES, of MAIA

2014-01-22 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Hi!

-  I descend, in on of my direct lines from AFONSO ANES, of MAIA
(Divino Espírito Santo Church). I have found some very different references
of the people who belong to this line.

-  I always follow first Rodrigo Rodrigues Genalogy... of course I
know (and I have heard rumors) that such a big work can have some mistakes
done inside its pages.

Before I start confirming every statement of Rodrigo Rodrigues, is there
anyone who know something about this (Chapter 50º of Genealogias de São
Miguel e de Santa Maria)? Does anybody have found some questionable data?

 

Thank you for your advice,

 

eliseu

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading date needed please

2014-01-22 Thread carabela


Thank you. I'm not very good with translating but I can usually get the dates. 
This just didn't look right so I thought I'd ask more experienced reseachers if 
i was right. Thanks again!
Sherry


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Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 3:27 pm
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Sherry, I looks like onze to me!  Rosemarie 
 

 

From: carab...@aol.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:08 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading date needed please

 

I have found my great-grandmother's baptism record! Yeah I was hoping 
someone could tell me the day of the baptism. I can make out the December 1898, 
but the day isn't clear to me. I'm thinking maybe onze, 11th? Can someone 
help me please?  The link is below. It is the very last line on the right 
page., #131. 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1890-1899_item1/P429.html
 
Thank you in advance.
Sherry Barnhurst
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] manuel de Medeiros Brillante

Your welcome


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Aaron Pereira pereirah...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks Pam.  I'm working on the Medeiros Brilhante line from Sao Jose and
 Faja de Baixo.
 I'll research and determine their relation.

 I've looked at a lot of marriages of various parish records and I haven't
 come across any that list the paternal and maternal grandparents.

 I guess I haven't looked at many as I thought, haha.

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 recordings?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to correctly list place of event

I'm pretty sure you'll see changes. Maybe not in the near future, but the 
moment that FamilySearch discontinued the maintenance of the GEDCOM 
standard was when they killed it. At some point, something better will come 
along.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt

On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 18:28:56 UTC+1, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:

 *Hi Joao,*

  

 *I feel it makes the most sense to have the Island as it represents a 
 degree of separation (you just can’t walk from one island to another) and 
 is easier to associate with that a district which encompasses more than one 
 island.*

 *You are right the GEDCOM 5.5 is lacking in many aspects. But that is all 
 we have. I doubt we will see any change to it in the future. *

  

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

  

  

 *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *João Ventura
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:49 AM
 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to correctly list place of event

  

 Hi Rick,

  

 Well, the island (Ilha) is a recent feature. Mostly because I found it 
 confusing as well. I based my hierarchy on this file by the Portuguese 
 National Archives: 


 http://www.adporto.pt/ficheiros_a_descarregar/codificacao_municipios_e_freguesias_2006.pdf.
  
 Note that that one has no island, and that's why at some point I decided to 
 use the 1910 districts (Ponta Delgada, Angra and Horta), to break it up 
 into manageable collections of municipalities. Honestly, it still confused 
 the hell out of me, so now that I'm almost ready to enter the 9346 books of 
 the Madeira archive, I wanted to make it more intuitive.

  

 Getting back on the original topic, my genealogy program actually uses the 
 reverse notation: Portugal, Açores, São Miguel, Ribeira Grande, Ribeirinha. 
 That way, it can easily group all the São Miguel records, including the 
 subsets in Ribeira Grande or Ponta Delgada.

  

 That being said, the GEDCOM 5.5. standard does clearly say that it should 
 be the order you use (
 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#PLACE_HIERARCHY):
  
 This shows the jurisdictional entities that are named in a sequence from 
 the lowest to the highest jurisdiction. The jurisdictions are separated by 
 commas, and any jurisdiction's name that is missing is still accounted for 
 by a comma.

  

 But then again, the GEDCOM standard is lacking in so many ways...

  

 Regards,

  

 João Ventura

 http://tombo.pt


 On Wednesday, 22 January 2014 17:26:07 UTC+1, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

  

 *It is interesting to note the Tombo site (http://tombo.pt/ 
 http://tombo.pt/ ) has broken Location as:*

 *Country: Portugal*

 *District/Region: Azores*

 *Ilhas: Sao Miguel*

 *Municipios: Ribeira Grande*

 *Freguesias: Ribeirinha*

  

 *If your genealogy program (Such as Family Tree Maker) uses one line Then 
 on that line you would enter: Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel, 
 Acores, Portugal. If you wanted an address or name of a church then it 
 would be added before the Freguesia: 9 Rua Mainos, Ribeirinha, Ribeira 
 Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores, Portugal. This form of a location is in the 
 reverse order of writing a mailing address in some countries where the 
 lowest entity is written last.*

  

 *In genealogy programs that you enter locations by separate headings you 
 may run into a problem the program may have only lines such as: Address, 
 City, County, State, Country, This presents a problem in my case as to how 
 to make it all fit. The solution I decided on was to combine The 
 District/Region with the Ilhas. This way I enter: Sao Miguel, Azores in the 
 State line. It is possible using my genealogy program (The Master 
 Genealogist) to customize the location box and add in Island in the 
 appropriate place. *

  

 *As I stated in an earlier message I never abbreviate I spell out 
 locations. Most programs have Fast Fields that save work in spelling out 
 full names. In my program I just hit “F-3” any number of times for the 
 location. It is interesting the this Fast Field feature is carried to the 
 sources which is very helpful when entering a source to a number of 
 indiviuals.*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

  

  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Sao Sebastiao, PD 1645 Tome Correia Maria da Fancica

 

Ok here is a tough one I think I have most of it but I can't get the Brides
Father's name and need the rest verified.

 

This is what I have:  on 24 April 1645 Tome Correia son of Pedro ? Correia
being deceased, and Maria da Feigueira with Maria Fancica daughter of Joao ?
and Maria da Fancica 

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1
615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P119.html Bottom Right

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1
615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P120.html Top Left

 

 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Sao Sebastiao, PD 1645 Tome Correia Maria da Fancica

Looks like ? Correia and Maria Dias then its talking about the church they
were from (I think)

Maria de Fonseca? daughter of Joao Martin and Maria de Fonseca?  But what I
read is Fonsepia


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:



 *Ok here is a tough one I think I have most of it but I can’t get the
 Brides Father’s name and need the rest verified.*



 *This is what I have:  on 24 April 1645 Tome Correia son of Pedro ?
 Correia being deceased, and Maria da Feigueira with Maria Fancica daughter
 of Joao ? and Maria da Fancica *



 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P119.html
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P119.html
 Bottom Right*

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P120.html
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P120.html
 Top Left*







 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Furtado Brandao's from Ponta Garca related to Furtado Brandao's of Nordeste?

Was wondering if the one's from Ponta Garca are related to the ones in Sao
Jorge, Nordeste? Anyone know?  The one in both places are ancestors of my
kids just curious.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado Brandao's from Ponta Garca related to Furtado Brandao's of Nordeste?

2014-01-22 Thread JR

Not immediately. But like the Simas of Nordeste, the Brandao were prominent 
and spread all over Sao Miguel. So I think they are related, but the 
records for Ponta Garca do not go back far enough to prove the connection.

JR

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:13:52 PM UTC-5, Pam Santos wrote:

 Was wondering if the one's from Ponta Garca are related to the ones in Sao 
 Jorge, Nordeste? Anyone know?  The one in both places are ancestors of my 
 kids just curious.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage Sao Sebastiao, PD 1645 Tome Correia Maria da Fancica

2014-01-22 Thread JR

Yes, *on 24 April 1645 , *Thome Correa filho de Po Correa ja defunto e sua 
mulher Maria Dias nats Santa Clara com Maria da Fonseca filha de Joao Miz 
(Martrins) and Maria da Fonsequa nats of SSPD. Interesting that two 
spellings of Fonseca are given, I have seen this before. Witnesses were 
Capt Dioguo Leite e Capt Antonio de Faria Maia. Big names, but not related. 
Are these your ancestors?

JR

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wrote:

  

 *Ok here is a tough one I think I have most of it but I can’t get the 
 Brides Father’s name and need the rest verified.*

  

 *This is what I have:  on 24 April 1645 Tome Correia son of Pedro ? 
 Correia being deceased, and Maria da Feigueira with Maria Fancica daughter 
 of Joao ? and Maria da Fancica *

  

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P119.html
  
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P119.html
  
 Bottom Right*

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P120.html
  
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1615-1650_item1/P120.html
  
 Top Left*

  

  

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

  

  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado Brandao's from Ponta Garca related to Furtado Brandao's of Nordeste?

Darn, thanks


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote:

 Not immediately. But like the Simas of Nordeste, the Brandao were
 prominent and spread all over Sao Miguel. So I think they are related, but
 the records for Ponta Garca do not go back far enough to prove the
 connection.

 JR


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 Was wondering if the one's from Ponta Garca are related to the ones in
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 my kids just curious.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading date needed please

2014-01-22 Thread Anthony Soares



Looks like once to me as well.

Tony

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading date needed please

2014-01-22 Thread Anthony Soares



It looks to me like onze to me as well.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage Sao Sebastiao, PD 1645 Tome Correia Maria da Fancica