[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel d'Avila de Bettencourt, Lajes do Pico

[Dano]

Could have been a little of both - perhaps a DNA test can answer ;) Actually, 
it was somewhat common practice for a prominent person in the parish to act as 
godfather (padrinho), or witness (testemunha), for church ceremonies. You will 
also see regular church members step up and help out with baptisms of the poor 
and unwanted children that were brought to, or left at, the church. Sometimes 
these children were placed in the homes of such parishioners (criados).

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel d'Avila de Bettencourt, Lajes do Pico

[Manuel Martins]

Thanks Doug, that is true.  However, what's intriguing is what two sister 
having children out of wedlock within a 17 year period.  I may have to look 
at the history at that time, may be troops were in town.

Manny

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:48:08 AM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Hi Manny,

 I am not looking at any records right now when I answer you.
 The reason is that the treasurer is quite often the padrinho or witness 
 for many children in every village.
 Sure, he could be the real father, but probably no more likely than anyone 
 else.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel d'Avila de Bettencourt, Lajes do Pico
 From: Manuel Martins kamb...@gmail.com javascript:
 Date: Mon, March 10, 2014 8:00 pm
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:

 Hello,

 Does anyone have information on Manuel d'Avila de Bettencourt, church 
 treasurer for at least these years 1843, 1856, 1857  1860?

 I'm seeing him as the padrinho (godfather) for a few children that were 
 baptized without a father.  Was he the father of the out of wedlock 
 children or because he held a high position within the town?

 Thank you,

 Manny 
  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways

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Antonio, 

At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser, whoever) 
would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how many were born 
and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I know of that just 
lists the stowaways into the USA. 

Rosemarie 

From: Antonio Roque 
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways

How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto?
Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway?
Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways

[E Sharp]

There is/are ship(s) that brought people from the Azores to the US
illegally and there is no ship's manifest documenting these people so
trying to find them in a ship's manifest is highly unlikely. I often
wondered if these people obtained a Passportes from the Azores since they
entered the US illegally, did they leave the Azores illegally.

E


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   Antonio,

 At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser,
 whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how
 many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I
 know of that just lists the stowaways into the USA.

 Rosemarie

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 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM
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 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways

  How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto?
 Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway?
 Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anyone else matching to Basque from the population finder test from Ftdna

[rondo ranch]

I handle the DNA records for several relatives and I had one relative that was noted as Basque. -Original Message-
From: Antonio Faria 
Sent: Mar 10, 2014 5:34 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anyone else matching to Basque from the population finder test from Ftdna

The European portion of my population finder results match equally to Basque/Spanish is anyone else matching to Basque. From what I have read the Basques are somewhat unique genetically, and I thought I would have a clear match to Spanish because it the population most similar genetically to Portuguese people.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel

[rondo ranch]

I have no proof of the following but it is just a suggestion: If the ship 
picked up people from the islands in the same order every time then 
inter-island traveling would be impossible without going to the final 
destination (making the whole round trip). If they reverse their order on the 
return trip them could pick up passengers/goods (as room allowed) just 
traveling from one island to another without making the whole trip to the USA, 
Brazil, etc. This is just a theory.

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel

The more stops the ship made probably likened it more to purgatory for the 
passengers, than a sightseeing trip. Most Azorians were not wealthy and so 
were berthed in steerage. Anyone that travelled that way would probably tell 
you that it was chaotic with entire families packed in to small quarters. 
Depending on the timeframe and the ship they travelled on, they may not have 
even been allowed on deck. The Peninsular was mainly a passenger ship which 
likely only carried cargo incidental to the voyage. So, it was more likely 
that the reason for the stops at the various islands was to pick up more 
passengers - somewhat akin to a train that stops at every small town on the 
way to its ultimate destination. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking with 
it :) 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico

[luiznoia .]

Bob,

I have a file on the Frederick Vincent Ambrose family. He was married three
times. To Anna Souza in 1882, Mary A Silva in 1904, and Frances V in 1915.

What are you looking for? I'l start a new thread for that family. I have
many photographs that are likely his family.

Eric Edgar


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 Eric

  Do you have any additional information about this Frederick Ambrose and
 Anna Souza?

 Bob Luis


 On Monday, March 10, 2014 8:50:02 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:

 JOSE ROSA  DUARTE
  born 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source:
 Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County,
 California.  He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and
 ANNA SOUZA.  She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942
 in San Francisco, California

 Eric Edgar


 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:32 AM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote:

 I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin?

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
 From: luiznoia . nobla...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm
 To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com

 The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great
 grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about
 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession.

 This photos was in the box with them.  They are still on the property
 and are partners in the D  S sweet potato packing company. The S half the
 company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka.

 Eric Edgar


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Rosa Duarte of Madalena, Pico

[luiznoia .]

Doug,

He was born natural on  25 Feb 1883 in Madelena to Rosa Clara, single. he
had a brother Manuel born natural to Rosa Clara on 18 Jun 1878.

Her parents were Antonio Garcia Miguel and Rosa Clara . You can find them
at NEPS in Madelena

Eric Edgar


On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:39 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 I just looked for the baptism of this Jose Rosa Duarte and either the date
 is off or he is from another island.
 Madalena sure has many using the surname Duarte, though.

 I'll see if I can figure it out some day. Maybe when the Horta passports
 are online I can find his departure. Maybe he was an exposto in Horta
 Matriz, but was told he was born in Madalena by someone who knew the
 truth...

 Thanks, Eric.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
 From: luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, March 10, 2014 8:50 am
 To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com

 JOSE ROSA  DUARTE
  born 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source:
 Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County,
 California.  He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and
 ANNA SOUZA.  She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942
 in San Francisco, California

 Eric Edgar


 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:32 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin?

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
 From: luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm
 To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com

 The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great
 grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about
 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession.

 This photos was in the box with them.  They are still on the property and
 are partners in the D  S sweet potato packing company. The S half the
 company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka.

 Eric Edgar


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I think it was common knowledge that whalers from New England would stop in
the Azores and pick up extra crew. After the trip the Whaler would go to New
Bedford or any of the other ports in the US to deliver their catch and the
crew would be paid and then left to their own means without returning them
to the Azores.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
E Sharp
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:00 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways

 

There is/are ship(s) that brought people from the Azores to the US illegally
and there is no ship's manifest documenting these people so trying to find
them in a ship's manifest is highly unlikely. I often wondered if these
people obtained a Passportes from the Azores since they entered the US
illegally, did they leave the Azores illegally.  

 

E

 

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com wrote:

Antonio, 

 

At the end of the ship manifest (last page), the Captain (or purser,
whoever) would write a list of the passengers and how many had died, how
many were born and if any stowaways were found. There is no list that I know
of that just lists the stowaways into the USA. 

 

Rosemarie 

 

From: Antonio Roque mailto:roqueantonioro...@gmail.com  

Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:05 AM

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Stowaways

 

How would they be recorded on a ship's manifesto?
Anyone seen a ship manifesto mentioning a stowaway?
Are there any records of stowaways from the Acores to the U.S.?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Rosa Duarte of Madalena, Pico

[pico]

Very interesting, Eric.I see he has a Camacho line going back to Bandeiras and likely my relative, since my Camacho is also from Bandeiras.I also noticed one person in my database named Jose da Rosa Duarte from Feteiras, Faial in the 1700s. Of course, he's too old to be his father, but maybe my hunch was right that his Duarte might come from Faial.He probably knew his father.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose Rosa Duarte of Madalena, Pico
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To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com

Doug,He was born natural on 25 Feb 1883 in Madelena to Rosa Clara, single. he had a brother Manuel born natural to Rosa Clara on 18 Jun 1878.Her parents were Antonio Garcia Miguel and Rosa Clara . You can find them at NEPS in Madelena Eric EdgarOn Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 8:39 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I just looked for the baptism of this Jose Rosa Duarte and either the date is off or he is from another island. Madalena sure has many using the surname Duarte, though.I'll see if I can figure it out some day. Maybe when the Horta passports are online I can find his departure. Maybe he was an exposto in Horta Matriz, but was told he was born in Madalena by someone who knew the truth... Thanks, Eric.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: "luiznoia ." noblankt...@gmail.com Date: Mon, March 10, 2014 8:50 am To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com  JOSE ROSA DUARTEborn 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source: Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County, California. He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and ANNA SOUZA. She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942 in San Francisco, California Eric Edgar On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:32 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: "luiznoia ." noblankt...@gmail.com  Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com  The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession.  This photos was in the box with them. They are still on the property and are partners in the D  S sweet potato packing company. The S half the company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka. Eric Edgar  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel

[Candice Kiss]

Thank you all very much for your posts in reply!


Candice

On Sunday, March 9, 2014 10:00:38 PM UTC-4, Candice Kiss wrote:

 Hello!
  
 Wondering, please, if someone might be able to help me locate manifests 
 for two ships arriving from Sao Miguel as follows:
  
 June 6, 1899 - New York
 March 22, 1904 - Boston
  
 Thank you very much for your help!


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two ship manifests from Sao Miguel

[Dano]

Rondo, that's not the history of the Azores - Azoreans didn't travel anywhere 
unless there was an absolute need to. Their lives weren't much above 
subsistence level, so, they weren't into sightseeing, they were into survival. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cuba

[Antonio Faria]

During the Iberian Union which was approximately 1580 to 1640 Portugal and 
Spain remained separate countries technically, but had one king during that 
time I  Azoreans immigrated to Puerto Rico I haven't done too much research 
on Cuba but I suspect there as well. Also Cuba was heavily settled by 
people from the Canary Islands Canary islander have some Portuguese 
ancestry. I can give a specific example of one family the Bettencourts 
started off in Normandy France but ended up in the Azores,  first went to 
the Canary islands then Madeira some of them remaining there, before the 
Azores.

On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 8:02:26 AM UTC-8, nancy jean baptiste wrote:

 Greetings Group,
  
 My brother has a strong DNA (E-M35.1) match in Cuba.  I'm curious if many 
 Azorean people went to Cuba? Did whaling ships stop there?
  
 Thanks,
 Nancy Jean Baptista
 Pico, Sao Jorge, Santa Maria
  
  
  
  
  

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