Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: I need some help reading record.
Antonio married Angela Costa Leonardo, native Santa Antao, Sao Jorge island. He died 31 December 1992. That's the best that I can do. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Edna Epps To: Azores Genalogy Group Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:05 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: I need some help reading record. Can someone help me read what is in the margin of this birth record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PRAIADONORTE-B-1893-1911/FAL-HT-PRAIADONORTE-B-1893-1911_item1/P95.html. It’s the one on the right side of the page, No 18 for Antonio. I think the margin says he got married with Angelic (?) Costa ?. I am trying to make Lemos at the end of her name but it may be saying where she lived?? Looks like she was a native of Santa ? Island of Sao Jorge..then maybe it tells where the marriage was recorded in Horta and the marriage was 1-19-1991. Then I think the 2nd note says Antonio died 12-31-1992 and looks like it’s recorded at Horta too??? Antonio’s mother is my Maternal Grandmother’s sister. I can read the birth record,I just need some help with the tiny writing in the margin. Thanks in advance. Edna Lemos Epps. dave-e...@comcast.net Isaiah 30:18 Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you; He rises to show you compassion. For the Lord is a God of justice, Blessed are all who wait for Him -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vultao/Carvalho in Ajuda Bretanha
Margarida Pimental is my 10th Great Grandmother but I have nothing past her parents Tome Furtado and Luiza Carvalho. I'd be interested in whatever you discover and I'm always willing to pass on my branch of the descendent tree so please keep me in the loop. John R - I also haven't forgotten about your kind offer to help with my missing links. Now that I'm finished with my latest round of job interviews I'll be in touch. Thanks! Joanne Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier Researching Bretanha, Lagoa and Rabo de Peixe On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:14 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: Tomé Furtado and Luzia Carvalho are also my ancestors. She is also known as Luzia Vultão in the birth records of Lourenço (10 Aug 1690) and Margarida (25 Feb 1689). Almost nothing is known of her parents, Manuel and Maria Vultão. We know that they were living in Bretanha in the years between 1652 and 1657 because 3 other children were born to the couple during those years. Vultão is a very common name in those parts. Simão Dias Vultão is also my anestor. I have never found a common ancestor for any of these people that would tie all these Vultãos together. I am sorry that I cannot be of more help. John Miranda Raposo On Monday, June 23, 2014 9:24 PM, 'John C' via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: Hello, I am researching the family of Margarida Pimentel daughter of Tome Furtado and Lucia Carvalha in Ajuda Bretanha. I have learned about Tome's family but I am interested in the family of Lucia Carvalha. I learned her parents names were Manuel Carvalho and Maria Vultao. I am especially interested in Maria Vultao's ancestry. I found in Carlos Machado's genealogies a chart describing the Vultao's as being connected to the Vasconcelos family. This was the information. Maria Vasconcelos married to Simao Dias Vultao 8/22/1596 Bretanha. It also seems that Maria's brother Marcos Afonso Sousa may have married Simao's sister Brites Simao. I am wondering if these people connect to my line with Lucia Carvalho's mother Maria Vultao or if it is a different line? Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Rootsweb and the Azores GenWeb is back up
The Azores GenWeb (hosted on RootsWeb, an affiliate of Ancestry) is back up! http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/ -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Benevides, Teves, Oliveira Pimentel (Sao Miguel island maybe; no time period)
Repost for John C, itisme740 at aol.com I wanted to ask about another couple. Matthias Benevides and Teresa Teve. I am connected to them through their daughter Teresa Teve who married Manuel Oliviera Pimentel. Does anyone have anything further on them such as their parents? The Teve/Teves family has quite a background on the island and I am trying to connect them to past generations. Thanks -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Benevides, Teves, Oliveira Pimentel (Sao Miguel island maybe; no time period)
Matias de Benevides of Bretanha, son of António Martins and Bárbara Teixeira (d. 16-1-1714), was married in Bretanha on 1 march 1704 to Teresa de Teves (b. 24-2-1676; d. 6-6-1751), daughter of André de Teves and Leonor de Sousa. John Miranda Raposo On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:31 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for John C, itisme740 at aol.com I wanted to ask about another couple. Matthias Benevides and Teresa Teve. I am connected to them through their daughter Teresa Teve who married Manuel Oliviera Pimentel. Does anyone have anything further on them such as their parents? The Teve/Teves family has quite a background on the island and I am trying to connect them to past generations. Thanks -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a Baptism record - Santa Cruz parish on Graciosa Island
Nick, The handwriting is really bad. One needs time to study the pattern of the priest's handwriting and only then it is possible to get a better understanding of what he says accurately. I confirm that Manoel is the son of Anna Joaquina, her last name is not clear at first glance. Only one of the parents is mentioned, I believe is the mother, as I can read the second part of the name do Rozario. They were all born in Santa Cruz, residents of Corpo Santo. Manoel was born on the 8 Jul 1903 and baptized on the 25 of the same month and year. As I said, further study is necessary to read the whole document in details. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, June 23, 2014 2:28:33 PM UTC-4, Nick Gombash wrote: I have a baptismal record from 1803 with some terrible handwriting. I know that the child is Manuel and he was the illegitimate son of Anna Joaquina. It's entry 46, top right of the document. Does it state who Anna Joaquina's parents are? Some entries have beautiful handwriting (like entry 47, below Manuel's baptism).. but others are terrible. Thank you for any help. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1796-1805/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1796-1805_item1/P149.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or o Cabaco. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O- 1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband's name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can't read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn't born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B- 1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don't know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading passport entry (Raposo/Mosteiros) please
I am helping a cousin with her Raposo line. I came across two entries in the passports that I believe are brothers (thought there is some confusion over how this family has linked these two together). Anyway, this is the page I am looking at: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P103.html The entries are #866 and #874. In #874, the parents are listed as Pai Incognito and Ma. de Jacintha. In #866, the parents seem to say Outro and Maria Albina. What does Outro (or whatever it is) mean in this case? I may not be reading it right but I thought it meant something like other, another. So maybe it has a different meaning here? I checked Robert Demello's passport index book and he has the father as no name but deceased. Is that what the term is saying? Thanks for the help! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading passport entry (Raposo/Mosteiros) please
I do not know that Manuel (son of another outro of the same name and Maria Albina, and Francisco, son of an unknown father and Maria Jacinta, are related. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:26 PM, IslandRoutes insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote: I am helping a cousin with her Raposo line. I came across two entries in the passports that I believe are brothers (thought there is some confusion over how this family has linked these two together). Anyway, this is the page I am looking at: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P103.html The entries are #866 and #874. In #874, the parents are listed as Pai Incognito and Ma. de Jacintha. In #866, the parents seem to say Outro and Maria Albina. What does Outro (or whatever it is) mean in this case? I may not be reading it right but I thought it meant something like other, another. So maybe it has a different meaning here? I checked Robert Demello's passport index book and he has the father as no name but deceased. Is that what the term is saying? Thanks for the help! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a Baptism record - Santa Cruz parish on Graciosa Island
Hi Nick,Adding to what Isabella said, the first name of the maternal grandmother, mother of this baby's own mother, is Felicia (do Rosario).If this is your own ancestor, you might want to know the godfather was the Reverendo Beneficiado Manuel de Sousa e Bettencourt, parishioner in this same village (Santa Cruz). There is no mention of the godmother which is quite common. I have always assumed that the godmother in such a case quite possibly was a saint, such as Nossa Senhora do Rosario (like the grandmother) or maybe another, but you'll never know and it makes no difference.As to the handwriting, this is quite a readable record and you will have to just get better at reading them. I wish they were all this good. There are far worse and then combine that with severe deterioration and it's a real challenge.Good luck,Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a Baptism record - Santa Cruz parish on Graciosa Island From: Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 10:20 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Nick,The handwriting is really bad. One needs time to study the pattern of the priest's handwriting and only then it is possible to get a better understanding of what he says accurately.I confirm that Manoel is the son of Anna Joaquina, her last name is not clear at first glance. Only one of the parents is mentioned, I believe is the mother, as I can read the second part of the name "do Rozario". They were all born in Santa Cruz, residents of Corpo Santo. Manoel was born on the 8 Jul 1903 and baptized on the 25 of the same month and year.As I said, further study is necessary to read the whole document in details.Isabella Baltarmyportuguesegen.blogspot.comOn Monday, June 23, 2014 2:28:33 PM UTC-4, Nick Gombash wrote:I have a baptismal record from 1803 with some terrible handwriting. I know that the child is Manuel and he was the illegitimate son of Anna Joaquina. It's entry 46, top right of the document. Does it state who Anna Joaquina's parents are? Some entries have beautiful handwriting (like entry 47, below Manuel's baptism).. but others are terrible. Thank you for any help.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1796-1805/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1796-1805_item1/P149.html -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading passport entry (Raposo/Mosteiros) please
It means that the father has the same name. (Outro of the same name) :) De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de IslandRoutes Enviada: terça-feira, 24 de Junho de 2014 18:27 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading passport entry (Raposo/Mosteiros) please I am helping a cousin with her Raposo line. I came across two entries in the passports that I believe are brothers (thought there is some confusion over how this family has linked these two together). Anyway, this is the page I am looking at: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P103.html http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P103.html The entries are #866 and #874. In #874, the parents are listed as Pai Incognito and Ma. de Jacintha. In #866, the parents seem to say Outro and Maria Albina. What does Outro (or whatever it is) mean in this case? I may not be reading it right but I thought it meant something like other, another. So maybe it has a different meaning here? I checked Robert Demello's passport index book and he has the father as no name but deceased. Is that what the term is saying? Thanks for the help! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a Baptism record - Santa Cruz parish on Graciosa Island
I forgot to correct the year. It's from 1803, not 1903. But I see your original message got the year right.And since there has been a lot of mention of Veiga lately on this list, you might find it interesting that the priest was João Espínola da Veiga, the curate of Santa Cruz parish.Also of interest might be that Veiga shows up in Terceira and some of those eventually emigrated to California about 100 years ago. I am pretty sure some of their descendants are on this list.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a Baptism record - Santa Cruz parish on Graciosa Island From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 12:16 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Nick,Adding to what Isabella said, the first name of the maternal grandmother, mother of this baby's own mother, is Felicia (do Rosario).If this is your own ancestor, you might want to know the godfather was the Reverendo Beneficiado Manuel de Sousa e Bettencourt, parishioner in this same village (Santa Cruz). There is no mention of the godmother which is quite common. I have always assumed that the godmother in such a case quite possibly was a saint, such as Nossa Senhora do Rosario (like the grandmother) or maybe another, but you'll never know and it makes no difference.As to the handwriting, this is quite a readable record and you will have to just get better at reading them. I wish they were all this good. There are far worse and then combine that with severe deterioration and it's a real challenge.Good luck,Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a Baptism record - Santa Cruz parish on Graciosa Island From: Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 10:20 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Nick,The handwriting is really bad. One needs time to study the pattern of the priest's handwriting and only then it is possible to get a better understanding of what he says accurately.I confirm that Manoel is the son of Anna Joaquina, her last name is not clear at first glance. Only one of the parents is mentioned, I believe is the mother, as I can read the second part of the name "do Rozario". They were all born in Santa Cruz, residents of Corpo Santo. Manoel was born on the 8 Jul 1903 and baptized on the 25 of the same month and year.As I said, further study is necessary to read the whole document in details.Isabella Baltarmyportuguesegen.blogspot.comOn Monday, June 23, 2014 2:28:33 PM UTC-4, Nick Gombash wrote:I have a baptismal record from 1803 with some terrible handwriting. I know that the child is Manuel and he was the illegitimate son of Anna Joaquina. It's entry 46, top right of the document. Does it state who Anna Joaquina's parents are? Some entries have beautiful handwriting (like entry 47, below Manuel's baptism).. but others are terrible. Thank you for any help.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1796-1805/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1796-1805_item1/P149.html -- -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
85 years old On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
I should have also stated that it's not the same woman if she was really 38 and 54 for those births.It would have to be a younger lady - probably 10 years younger.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 5:36 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi John,What caught my attention was the age of 54 for having a child. If it's even possible, it must be extremely rare.And so I agree it's unlikely. So if this were my own family, I would highly question these findings and resolve it completely before proceeding. I'm willing to bet it's not the same lady for both births and that's an easy bet.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? From: John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com Date: Tue, June 24, 2014 5:31 pm To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Hi Diane,For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think.John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria would fit from the four listed. Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. DIane From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vasconcelos Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi Diane, For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Genetic Makeup of Azoreans Versus Mainland Portugal Population
The study is interesting although I don't think it accurately represents the population of the Azores for various reasons I will list a few of my concerns. Terceira represents about 23% of the population of the Azores 8% of the samples are from Terceira. The islands have never been studied individually on their own these types of studies tend to cluster the samples in one category as Azores or split the samples into three groups of islands. The Azores were settled over a period of about 200 years from people from various parts of Portugal and other nationalities as well and tended to cluster near others that were most similar to them. In the island of Pico we have 13 freguesias each with a different accent and each has unique traditions. Until the islands are studied individually I don't think the information is very reliable. I personally share Dna with people from 5 other islands but when I take a look at the results for the various islands on the Azores Dna Project it is apparent to me that there are significant differences genetically between the islands. I think there are trends that have not been picked up yet by genetic studies are we also need more people to test before we get a clearer picture. Antonio On Monday, June 23, 2014 8:14:14 PM UTC-7, E Sharp wrote: Here is an interesting site for all you DNA geniuseswhich I am NOT..but what I did understand I found interesting. http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/21207.pdf E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading passport entry (Raposo/Mosteiros) please
An added note: I decided to take a look at Mosteiros today. I found Francisco Raposo and Maria Emilia's marriage record. It does confirm that Francisco was a Pai Incognito. He was also a widow. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1880-1889_item1/P5.html I learned from my cousin that the connection is from oral history. I am not convinced that Manoel Raposo m. Maria Albina is Francisco's brother. Cousin, maybe.I think the family may be taking the family story and looking at the records and saying Manoel had a brother. The brother worked on the same plantation, therefore, this Raposo must be his brother. I will see if they have more information that can establish some sort of connection. But even with the marriage record the mother is given as Maria Jacinta. Manoel Raposo's mother is supposed to be Maria Albina (his wife is named the same). Let's see if the family comes up with anything... Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Diane, the obito does appear to state that Maria was age 85 at death, but, if that first letter is actually an s with an exaggerated tail, it would read age 75 at death. I say this because it appears that the scribe used a selective flourish on a couple of words - one being Maria's age, and, the other, the daughter's status as Solteira (single). Both words include an exaggerated tail on the letter s. If this is in fact the case, this Maria d'Avila would actually be ten years younger (75) when she passed away. My suggestion to you would be to confirm Maria's age by researching her marriage - which actually states the ages of the bride and groom. That should put to rest any questions as to whether you have the correct couple. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 1:48:30 PM UTC-4, DiG wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Hi Diane, I'm also from this line, as I descend from Pedro Dutra Alvernas and Maria Correia (the Dutra in my name today is from him). This Pedro Dutra Alvernas is also Known as cabaço, and he is probably the son of Pedro Dutra Alvernas (also known as Pedro Utra) married to Maria de Ávila. I have not found the marriage record for Pedro Dutra Alvernas, the son, to Maria Correia. His death is the second in the left: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782_item1/P69.html I wonder which son or daughter you descend from. The information I have on Pedro Dutra Alvernaz and Maria de Ávila is from Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas, vol.I, p.811, de Jorge Forjaz e Atonio Ornelas Mendes.: Maria de Ávila, n. em 1647 e f. em Castelo Branco a 1.2.1722. C.c. Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, b. em Castelo Branco a 3.7.1650 e f. em Castelo Branco a 9.11.1705, filho de Amaro de Almança e de Isabel de Alvernaz. It means she was born in 1647 e died in 1 fev 1722. Married to Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, baptized in 3 jun 1650, died in 9 nov 1705, son of Amaro de Almança and Isabel de Alvernaz. I hope it helps, Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto 2014-06-24 21:39 GMT-03:00 Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com: Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria would fit from the four listed. Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. DIane *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Vasconcelos *Sent:* Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM *To:* azores *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi Diane, For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Thank you—I wondered if that might be an “Se” instead of “Oi” That would make a little more sense. I fear that the marriage records for Castelo Branco (at least on the CCA site) don’t start until 1711. Next, I have to find out if they exist elsewhere. I have also looked for baptism records in 1644-1646, but can’t find a record that I can confirm as this Maria. Thanks for your suggestions. Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dano Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:39 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Diane, the obito does appear to state that Maria was age 85 at death, but, if that first letter is actually an s with an exaggerated tail, it would read age 75 at death. I say this because it appears that the scribe used a selective flourish on a couple of words - one being Maria's age, and, the other, the daughter's status as Solteira (single). Both words include an exaggerated tail on the letter s. If this is in fact the case, this Maria d'Avila would actually be ten years younger (75) when she passed away. My suggestion to you would be to confirm Maria's age by researching her marriage - which actually states the ages of the bride and groom. That should put to rest any questions as to whether you have the correct couple. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 1:48:30 PM UTC-4, DiG wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
Thank you for the information. I believe I am a descendant of Pedro Dutra Alvernas and Maria Correia. I will send you more information to your email address. Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:56 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi Diane, I'm also from this line, as I descend from Pedro Dutra Alvernas and Maria Correia (the Dutra in my name today is from him). This Pedro Dutra Alvernas is also Known as cabaço, and he is probably the son of Pedro Dutra Alvernas (also known as Pedro Utra) married to Maria de Ávila. I have not found the marriage record for Pedro Dutra Alvernas, the son, to Maria Correia. His death is the second in the left: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782_item1/P69.html I wonder which son or daughter you descend from. The information I have on Pedro Dutra Alvernaz and Maria de Ávila is from Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas, vol.I, p.811, de Jorge Forjaz e Atonio Ornelas Mendes.: Maria de Ávila, n. em 1647 e f. em Castelo Branco a 1.2.1722. C.c. Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, b. em Castelo Branco a 3.7.1650 e f. em Castelo Branco a 9.11.1705, filho de Amaro de Almança e de Isabel de Alvernaz. It means she was born in 1647 e died in 1 fev 1722. Married to Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, baptized in 3 jun 1650, died in 9 nov 1705, son of Amaro de Almança and Isabel de Alvernaz. I hope it helps, Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto 2014-06-24 21:39 GMT-03:00 Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com : Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria would fit from the four listed. Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. DIane From: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of John Vasconcelos Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM To: azores Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi Diane, For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”. I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record. The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
