RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[pico]

My setting was the default 700 SNPs for Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F16So I ran my wife and godmother again, because they didn't match at that level.Slovak wife, I had to drop to 500 SNPs:


 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

817674299185019591.8506
11486963357660532.2522
1125232451271831671.7508
1157672256602879221.7556
1458681458612917361.5507
1545377903480009822.5584
1750373551521678703.5501

Largest segment = 3.5 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 14.8 cMItalian godmother, I was able to get matches at 600 SNPs:


 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

225455814286154852.1612
655297441636085202.0636
885194656896849712.1644
1220776581220412062.0653
1540232846440880851.9668
1569693863732521041.9670

Largest segment = 2.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 12.1 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria 
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 10:47 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Very interesting Doug, was your SNP setting at 300 or at 700 which is the default.  Do any of them match the La-Brana-Arintero sample?On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:18:11 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:For my father, he matches the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F16 on three Chromosomes.Largest segment = 2.7 cM Total of segments > 1 cM = 6.3 cMI also match on 3 Chr:Largest segment = 4.7 cM Total of segments > 1 cM = 8.7 cMSince I have German ancestors from my mother, that probably explains why I have a larger segment and larger total than my father. But just for sure, I ran my 1st cousin on my mother's side and got a match:Largest segment = 2.6 cM Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.9 cMMaybe my larger total comes from a combination from both of my parents.So I then ran a 2nd cousin who has a large percentage of Hispanic ancestry and none of my German, but shares my Hungarian (which my 1st cousin also has):Largest segment = 4.3 cM Total of segments > 1 cM = 6.9 cMMy Slovak wife has no match, so it's not all Europeans carrying that DNA.My godmother has all Italian ancestry and she is also unrelated.One of my 1st cousins who shares all my paternal Portuguese ancestry and has the rest of his Portuguese ancestry coming from Madeira has matches on 4 Chr:Largest segment = 3.3 cM Total of segments > 1 cM = 11.0 cMThis cousin's sibling has less:Largest segment = 4.2 cM Total of segments > 1 cM = 7.2 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[Pam Santos]

My sons and it was set at 700

ChrStart LocationEnd LocationCentimorgans (cM)SNPs12163539582196228892.47656
31634835331073081.418621270706318744460291.6712Largest segment = 2.4 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 5.3 cM

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:51 PM,  wrote:

>
> One of my 1st cousins with also Madeira ancestry:
> I had to reduce the SNPs to 200 to get some matches. And there were too
> many matches if I reduced to 100 SNPs:
> Largest segment = 2.5 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 11.5 cM
>
> But their sibling was able to match once with a 400 SNP setting, though I
> ran it at 300:
> Largest segment = 1.7 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 2.9 cM
>
> My Italian godmother:
> Largest segment = 1.4 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 1.4 cM
>
> Slovak wife:
> Largest segment = 3.7 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 7.7 cM
>
> Maternal 1st cousin Germany/Hungary is no match at 300 SNP, but when
> reduced to 200:
> Largest segment = 2.8 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 19.8 cM
>
> 2nd cousin - Hungary/Mexico/Canary Is:
> Largest segment = 3.0 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 3.0 cM
>
> My father:
> Largest segment = 1.7 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.4 cM
>
> Myself:
> Largest segment = 1.1 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 1.1 cM
>
> Since my maternal side seems to have a match at 200 SNP like my above 1st
> cousin Germany/Hungary, I ran it again at 200 SNP:
> Largest segment = 2.2 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 16.8 cM
>
> And I ran my father's again at that setting:
> Largest segment = 3.9 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 14.5 cM
>
> So my total is higher than my father and this additional amount is coming
> from my Germany/Hungary ancestry.
>
> Now I have to read the articles. Thanks for such a fascinating discovery.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample
> from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
> From: A Faria 
> Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 3:55 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I was reading Roberta Estes newest post about new ancient DNA samples
> being added to Gedmatch one of them really caught my interest the La
> Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain(Nortwest Spain near Northern
> Portugal, it is about 7,000 years old. The Kit number on Gedmatch is
> F15 anyway I compared my kit and my fathers kit to the La
> Brana-Arintero sample by reducing the CM setting to 1 and SNP to 300 for
> comparison. My father matches the La Brana-Arintero sample 1.7 CM on
> Chromosome 1 and I match it on Chr 6,16, and 17 between 1.1-1.3 CM. This
> was very exciting perhaps some other people will also match and share the
> results on this thread.
>
> Here is an article on the Dieneke's Anthropology Blog on the La
> Brana-Arintero.
>
>
> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/06/mesolithic-iberians-la-brana-arintero.html
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[pico]

One of my 1st cousins with also Madeira ancestry:I had to reduce the SNPs to 200 to get some matches. And there were too many matches if I reduced to 100 SNPs:Largest segment = 2.5 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 11.5 cMBut their sibling was able to match once with a 400 SNP setting, though I ran it at 300:Largest segment = 1.7 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 2.9 cMMy Italian godmother:Largest segment = 1.4 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 1.4 cMSlovak wife:Largest segment = 3.7 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 7.7 cMMaternal 1st cousin Germany/Hungary is no match at 300 SNP, but when reduced to 200:Largest segment = 2.8 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 19.8 cM2nd cousin - Hungary/Mexico/Canary Is:Largest segment = 3.0 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 3.0 cMMy father:Largest segment = 1.7 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.4 cMMyself:Largest segment = 1.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 1.1 cMSince my maternal side seems to have a match at 200 SNP like my above 1st cousin Germany/Hungary, I ran it again at 200 SNP:Largest segment = 2.2 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 16.8 cMAnd I ran my father's again at that setting:Largest segment = 3.9 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 14.5 cMSo my total is higher than my father and this additional amount is coming from my Germany/Hungary ancestry.Now I have to read the articles. Thanks for such a fascinating discovery.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample
from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria 
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 3:55 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi Everyone,I was reading Roberta Estes newest post about new ancient DNA samples being added to Gedmatch one of them really caught my interest the La Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain(Nortwest Spain near Northern Portugal, it is about 7,000 years old. The Kit number on Gedmatch is F15 anyway I compared my kit and my fathers kit to the La Brana-Arintero sample by reducing the CM setting to 1 and SNP to 300 for comparison. My father matches the La Brana-Arintero sample 1.7 CM on Chromosome 1 and I match it on Chr 6,16, and 17 between 1.1-1.3 CM. This was very exciting perhaps some other people will also match and share the results on this thread.Here is an article on the Dieneke's Anthropology Blog on the La Brana-Arintero.http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/06/mesolithic-iberians-la-brana-arintero.html  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[A Faria]

Very interesting Doug, was your SNP setting at 300 or at 700 which is the 
default.  Do any of them match the La-Brana-Arintero sample?


On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:18:11 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>
> For my father, he matches the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F16 on 
> three Chromosomes.
> Largest segment = 2.7 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 6.3 cM
>
> I also match on 3 Chr:
> Largest segment = 4.7 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 8.7 cM
>
> Since I have German ancestors from my mother, that probably explains why I 
> have a larger segment and larger total than my father. But just for sure, I 
> ran my 1st cousin on my mother's side and got a match:
> Largest segment = 2.6 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.9 cM
>
> Maybe my larger total comes from a combination from both of my parents.
>
> So I then ran a 2nd cousin who has a large percentage of Hispanic ancestry 
> and none of my German, but shares my Hungarian (which my 1st cousin also 
> has):
> Largest segment = 4.3 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 6.9 cM
>
> My Slovak wife has no match, so it's not all Europeans carrying that DNA.
> My godmother has all Italian ancestry and she is also unrelated.
>
> One of my 1st cousins who shares all my paternal Portuguese ancestry and 
> has the rest of his Portuguese ancestry coming from Madeira has matches on 
> 4 Chr:
> Largest segment = 3.3 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 11.0 cM
>
> This cousin's sibling has less:
> Largest segment = 4.2 cM
> Total of segments > 1 cM = 7.2 cM
>
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
> sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
> From: A Faria >
> Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 9:50 pm
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> Cc: antoni...@gmail.com 
>
>
>
> Sorry about that Doug the correct # is F16.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:08 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>>
>> I tried to compare, but this kit F116 is said not to exist.
>> Can you double check the number?
>>
>> I'll run a comparison with me and also my father. Just for fun, I'll do 
>> it for my wife, because you never know with someone so old he could match 
>> everyone with European ancestry.
>>
>> Obrigado,
>>
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
>> sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
>> From: A Faria 
>> Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 5:53 pm
>> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit 
>> # F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart 
>> Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on 
>> Chromosome 13 and  SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match 
>> an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian 
>> Peninsula.
>>
>>
>>
>> A.Faria
>>  
>>  
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[pico]

For my father, he matches the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F16 on three Chromosomes.Largest segment = 2.7 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 6.3 cMI also match on 3 Chr:Largest segment = 4.7 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 8.7 cMSince I have German ancestors from my mother, that probably explains why I have a larger segment and larger total than my father. But just for sure, I ran my 1st cousin on my mother's side and got a match:Largest segment = 2.6 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.9 cMMaybe my larger total comes from a combination from both of my parents.So I then ran a 2nd cousin who has a large percentage of Hispanic ancestry and none of my German, but shares my Hungarian (which my 1st cousin also has):Largest segment = 4.3 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 6.9 cMMy Slovak wife has no match, so it's not all Europeans carrying that DNA.My godmother has all Italian ancestry and she is also unrelated.One of my 1st cousins who shares all my paternal Portuguese ancestry and has the rest of his Portuguese ancestry coming from Madeira has matches on 4 Chr:Largest segment = 3.3 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 11.0 cMThis cousin's sibling has less:Largest segment = 4.2 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 7.2 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria 
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 9:50 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Sorry about that Doug the correct # is F16.On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:08 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:I tried to compare, but this kit F116 is said not to exist.Can you double check the number?I'll run a comparison with me and also my father. Just for fun, I'll do it for my wife, because you never know with someone so old he could match everyone with European ancestry.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old From: A Faria  Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 5:53 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on Chromosome 13 and  SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian Peninsula.A.Faria  --   





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[A Faria]

Sorry the correct # for the Linarbandkermak sample is F16.


On Saturday, October 4, 2014 5:53:03 PM UTC-7, A Faria wrote:
>
>
>
> Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # 
> F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart 
> Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on 
> Chromosome 13 and  SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match 
> an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian 
> Peninsula.
>
>
>
> A.Faria
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[A Faria]

Sorry about that Doug the correct # is F16.


On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:08 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>
> I tried to compare, but this kit F116 is said not to exist.
> Can you double check the number?
>
> I'll run a comparison with me and also my father. Just for fun, I'll do it 
> for my wife, because you never know with someone so old he could match 
> everyone with European ancestry.
>
> Obrigado,
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
> sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
> From: A Faria >
> Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 5:53 pm
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
>
>
> Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # 
> F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart 
> Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on 
> Chromosome 13 and  SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match 
> an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian 
> Peninsula.
>
>
>
> A.Faria
>  
>  
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[pico]

I tried to compare, but this kit F116 is said not to exist.Can you double check the number?I'll run a comparison with me and also my father. Just for fun, I'll do it for my wife, because you never know with someone so old he could match everyone with European ancestry.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria 
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 5:53 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on Chromosome 13 and  SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian Peninsula.A.Faria  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente, 1813

[Cheri Mello]

Hermano,

Thanks.  But in 1813, they got his body from Ribeira Quente (isolated back
then) to Vila Franca?  There were no covered wagons.  They must have used a
boat and donkey over land?  Was that unusual?  I don't think I've run
across any other ancestors being buried somewhere else.  They planted them
where they died.

Is there anything important mentioned after his age of 60 years?

Cheri

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Hermano C. Pires 
wrote:

> They buried him in the "Santa Casa da Misericordia de Vila Franca"
> Hermano
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:05:54 -0700
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente, 1813
> To: Azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Right record:
> http://goo.gl/1KXPb0
>
> 15 Aug 1813
> Manuel Furado, married to Marianna da Piedade, church of Nossa Senhora da
> Piedade in Ponta Garca
> Was buried in the church of What?  It's that 7th line where the squished
> in Vila Franca
> 60 years of age
> More stuff and ends with Vila Franca.
>
> For some reason, I think they buried him in Vila Franca.  He was born at
> Sao Miguel Arcanjo (Matriz) in Vila Franca.
>
> --
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> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683 Ribeirinha, Terceira)

[pico]

Hi Roger,With a recent Ribeirinha ancestor like you have, you are probably related to a great many of us.I high percentage of the people from this village have ancestors named Goncalves Leonardo and if you are one of them, then I too am a distant relative. Of course, these are going to be maternal lines, not your Miranda line from your grandmother Miranda.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683
Ribeirinha, Terceira)
From: Roger 
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 10:49 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi HelenThanks for your reply, I was looking for information on ancestors prior to Matheu Machado de Miranda's "married to Margrida Alves ".  Who was his father and where and when did the first Miranda come to the Azores and from where.   However I appreciate your reply.  My grandmother on my mother's side was Izauria Miranda who immigrated to California from Ribeirinha, Terceira in 1909.   I must be distant relative to your husband, probably a seventh or eighth cousin.Roger  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente, 1813

[Hermano C. Pires]

They buried him in the "Santa Casa da Misericordia de Vila Franca"
Hermano
 
From: gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:05:54 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente, 1813
To: Azores@googlegroups.com

Right record:
http://goo.gl/1KXPb0

15 Aug 1813
Manuel Furado, married to Marianna da Piedade, church of Nossa Senhora da 
Piedade in Ponta Garca
Was buried in the church of What?  It's that 7th line where the squished in 
Vila Franca
60 years of age
More stuff and ends with Vila Franca.

For some reason, I think they buried him in Vila Franca.  He was born at Sao 
Miguel Arcanjo (Matriz) in Vila Franca.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente, 1813

[Cheri Mello]

Right record:
http://goo.gl/1KXPb0

15 Aug 1813
Manuel Furado, married to Marianna da Piedade, church of Nossa Senhora da
Piedade in Ponta Garca
Was buried in the church of What?  It's that 7th line where the squished in
Vila Franca
60 years of age
More stuff and ends with Vila Franca.

For some reason, I think they buried him in Vila Franca.  He was born at
Sao Miguel Arcanjo (Matriz) in Vila Franca.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish cemetery in Faial

[A Faria]

Very interesting Liz,

mtDNA however only tells you about one ancestor as you probably know. It 
sounds like your maternal line traces to Sao Joao Pico, My fathers maternal 
line traces to the same freguesia in the 1600's to a Maria Martins but I 
haven't tested his mtDNA yet. Who is your most distant known maternal 
ancestor and what is your haplogroup we probably share DNA.



On Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
>
> Having a hard time replying to A Faria but I'll try
> 1)Tested with the one that we use on this site.
> 2) my MtDNA
> 3) Mothers, Mothers side where DNA came from is Pico.   (other family from 
> Fayal and St. Michael)
> 4) 10.5% Portuguese (Azores Madera)
> 5) Another connection I have made traces back to North Eastern Mainland 
> Portugal 
> 6) Freguesias meaning Church's or towns' Sao Joao, Pico  St Mattheus 
> church,   Cedros, Fayal, St. Barbara church,
> Cabouco, Lagoa St. Michael,  Nossoa Senhora Rosario and Miseracordia.
>
> I thought you said you had a few questions for me?  lol
>
> Liz
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  > wrote:
>
>> HI Cheri,
>> Not excited just surprised at some coincidences that have popped up 
>> lately.  Especially pertaining to Morocco.
>> Liz
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Cheri Mello > > wrote:
>>
>>> Liz M,
>>>
>>> As a project admin, I can see your page.
>>>
>>> You are looking at the mtDNA Ancestral Origins for HVR1.  Probably like 
>>> tens of thousands of years.  And most of this is self reported.   You've 
>>> also got high percentages in Portugal (Azores), British Isles (no surprise 
>>> there, as you are in the most common European mtDNA haplopgroup), France, 
>>> Ireland, Italy, Switzerland, Wales.  Also, remember, that the Jewish 
>>> Genealogy community had a huge push for DNA testing (Y, mtDNA, autosomal), 
>>> so their numbers can make things look skewed.  Just be careful about 
>>> getting too excited over this section of your DNA.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Tainhas, Achada 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[A Faria]

Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # 
F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart 
Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on 
Chromosome 13 and  SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match 
an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian 
Peninsula.



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[A Faria]

If anyone is interested in knowing what this individual looked like 7,000 
years ago a facial reconstruction has been done using his skull very 
interesting! I also got this off Roberta's Blog.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140126134643.htm




On Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:55:29 PM UTC-7, A Faria wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I was reading Roberta Estes newest post about new ancient DNA samples 
> being added to Gedmatch one of them really caught my interest the La 
> Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain(Nortwest Spain near Northern 
> Portugal, it is about 7,000 years old. The Kit number on Gedmatch is 
> F15 anyway I compared my kit and my fathers kit to the La 
> Brana-Arintero sample by reducing the CM setting to 1 and SNP to 300 for 
> comparison. My father matches the La Brana-Arintero sample 1.7 CM on 
> Chromosome 1 and I match it on Chr 6,16, and 17 between 1.1-1.3 CM. This 
> was very exciting perhaps some other people will also match and share the 
> results on this thread.
>
> Here is an article on the Dieneke's Anthropology Blog on the La 
> Brana-Arintero.
>
>
> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/06/mesolithic-iberians-la-brana-arintero.html
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

[A Faria]

Hi Everyone,

I was reading Roberta Estes newest post about new ancient DNA samples being 
added to Gedmatch one of them really caught my interest the La 
Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain(Nortwest Spain near Northern 
Portugal, it is about 7,000 years old. The Kit number on Gedmatch is 
F15 anyway I compared my kit and my fathers kit to the La 
Brana-Arintero sample by reducing the CM setting to 1 and SNP to 300 for 
comparison. My father matches the La Brana-Arintero sample 1.7 CM on 
Chromosome 1 and I match it on Chr 6,16, and 17 between 1.1-1.3 CM. This 
was very exciting perhaps some other people will also match and share the 
results on this thread.

Here is an article on the Dieneke's Anthropology Blog on the La 
Brana-Arintero.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/06/mesolithic-iberians-la-brana-arintero.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish cemetery in Faial

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Having a hard time replying to A Faria but I'll try
1)Tested with the one that we use on this site.
2) my MtDNA
3) Mothers, Mothers side where DNA came from is Pico.   (other family from
Fayal and St. Michael)
4) 10.5% Portuguese (Azores Madera)
5) Another connection I have made traces back to North Eastern Mainland
Portugal
6) Freguesias meaning Church's or towns' Sao Joao, Pico  St Mattheus
church,   Cedros, Fayal, St. Barbara church,
Cabouco, Lagoa St. Michael,  Nossoa Senhora Rosario and Miseracordia.

I thought you said you had a few questions for me?  lol

Liz

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> HI Cheri,
> Not excited just surprised at some coincidences that have popped up
> lately.  Especially pertaining to Morocco.
> Liz
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Liz M,
>>
>> As a project admin, I can see your page.
>>
>> You are looking at the mtDNA Ancestral Origins for HVR1.  Probably like
>> tens of thousands of years.  And most of this is self reported.   You've
>> also got high percentages in Portugal (Azores), British Isles (no surprise
>> there, as you are in the most common European mtDNA haplopgroup), France,
>> Ireland, Italy, Switzerland, Wales.  Also, remember, that the Jewish
>> Genealogy community had a huge push for DNA testing (Y, mtDNA, autosomal),
>> so their numbers can make things look skewed.  Just be careful about
>> getting too excited over this section of your DNA.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683 Ribeirinha, Terceira)

[Roger]

Hi Helen

Thanks for your reply, I was looking for information on ancestors prior to 
Matheu Machado de Miranda's "married to Margrida Alves ".  Who was his* 
father* and where and when did the first Miranda come to the Azores and 
from where.   However I appreciate your reply.  My grandmother on my 
mother's side was Izauria Miranda who immigrated to California from 
Ribeirinha, Terceira in 1909.   I must be distant relative to your husband, 
probably a seventh or eighth cousin.

Roger

On Thursday, October 2, 2014 5:08:23 PM UTC-7, his...@aol.com wrote:
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> Hi Roger
>  
> Your Matheus Machado Miranda's, brother Manoel Machado Miranda married to 
> Margarida de Jesus is my husbands Great+Grandfather.  Their father is 
> Matues Machado de Miranda m. to Margrida Alves
> which you probably already have.  That's my end of the line. research by 
> Joao Ventura, Terceira.
>  
> Helen Salvador
> Fremont, CA
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger >
> To: azores >
> Sent: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 4:16 pm
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683 Ribeirinha, 
> Terceira)
>
>  Trying to find the ancestors of Mathew Machado Miranda born 1683 in 
> Ribeirinha.  Would like to know when the first Miranda immigrated to the 
> Azores and from where.  I understand there is a set books titled 
> "Genealogias Da Ilha Terceira" that might contain the information I am 
> searching for.  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish cemetery in Faial

[Cheri Mello]

Liz M,

As a project admin, I can see your page.

You are looking at the mtDNA Ancestral Origins for HVR1.  Probably like
tens of thousands of years.  And most of this is self reported.   You've
also got high percentages in Portugal (Azores), British Isles (no surprise
there, as you are in the most common European mtDNA haplopgroup), France,
Ireland, Italy, Switzerland, Wales.  Also, remember, that the Jewish
Genealogy community had a huge push for DNA testing (Y, mtDNA, autosomal),
so their numbers can make things look skewed.  Just be careful about
getting too excited over this section of your DNA.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish cemetery in Faial

[A Faria]

Hi Liz,

I have a few questions for you.

Which company did you test with?

Which DNA test showed that the highest percentage of your DNA came from 
Morocco?

Which Island(s) in the Azores is your family from, and what is your 
percentage of Portuguese ancestry?

The Jews that settled in the Azores from Morocco are believed to have been 
primarily Iberian Jews(Portuguese, Spaniards) that settled in Morocco 
during the Inquisition. The Moroccan(Berber) percentage of their DNA is 
very minor due to North African converts. The bulk of their DNA is Middle 
Eastern/Southern European(from Iberian, Italian, and Greek converts)  

I am very curious what freguesias in the Azores is your family from? There 
is DNA evidence to support that there was some direct DNA input to the 
Azores from Morocco during the settlement process of the Azores.



On Friday, October 3, 2014 8:42:26 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
>
> I'm not sure who to address this to.  I was cleaning out my emails and re 
> read this one about peoples from Morocco settling in Fayal.
> I'd like to get more info on this as my DNA showed the highest % came from 
> Morocco.  I was a bit shocked with that.  But now after reading this I 
> guess it's possible.  Can you guide me on follow up?
> Liz
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Manuel Martins  > wrote:
>
>> It is in a corner of the Horta cemetery.  These are jewish families that 
>> came to Faial from Morocco, part of the Bensaude family. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 17, 2014 4:37:24 AM UTC-4, Shirl Sereque wrote:
>>>
>>> Noelia - The Jewish Cemetery is in Horta  (La cidade da Horta) and was 
>>> built in 1852.  That's as close as I can get to an address!
>>> - Shirl -
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:47 AM, Cheri Mello  
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Repost for Olivia or Lolly or Noelia, nlollyanne123 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Could anyone tell me where exactly the jewish cemetery is in Faial. I am 
>>> from there and frequent my hometown of Praia do Norte. I am very curious 
>>> about this cemetery and would love to find it.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help
>>>
>>> Noelia D' Andrade
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?

[carl...@telus.net]

My family comes from Lagoa and we are Galante.

Carlo Galante

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From: Anthony Martin 
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 21:29:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, 
Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?

Thanks for the suggestion. I've run across a few names that are similar, but I 
haven't found anything definitive yet. I'll keep my eyes open for anything else 
that may make the link.

On Friday, October 3, 2014 11:34:32 AM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:I recomend 
caution with this surname because there are many Galantes from Lagoa, S. Miguel 
who have used as a surname for a few generations.
Hermano

 
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 22:55:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Luiz Parreira Galante, Ribeirnha, 
Terceira, 1890s, - alcunha?
From: nvcou...@gmail.com
To: azo...@googlegroups.com

Sounds like an alcunha to me.  Galante means elegant, graceful, chivalrous.
Nancy

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonyamartin77 at gmail.com

Joao Louiz Parreira Galante located at: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P18.html.
 Same situation. would 'Galante' be an alcunha, or a surname?



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