Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

you mean Maria de Nazeré ?


Eric

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> You said: <>
>
> Nazera is not her maiden name. It's her middle religious name. Women
> didn't have surnames for a certain time period. I'm thinking she's Maria de
> Nazera, and I think it means Mary of Nazareth.
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[Cheri Mello]

Yeah, that's the spelling. I knew it looked a little off!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[Cheri Mello]

Dave,

You said: <>

Nazera is not her maiden name. It's her middle religious name. Women didn't
have surnames for a certain time period. I'm thinking she's Maria de
Nazera, and I think it means Mary of Nazareth.

Cheri Mello
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Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[luiznoia .]

Yes, By identifying the parents, I may be able to postively identify Manuel
, then Edward, son of Velma and him.

There is somone that ties this family to Orange County and San Bernardino.
There are more than one M.Coelho family dairy farming in both places. I
have not indentified what the M stands for. Martin, Macedo, Machado or
other.

Same for the M  Cotta. Also tied to San Bernardino, as it was the Joe M
Cotta death record place.

Eric
On Oct 21, 2015 8:10 AM, "Dave Worman"  wrote:

> Manuel M. Coelho's parents are:Joe M. Coelho birthplace Portugal and
> Mary Nazera (maiden name) birthplace Portugal.   Will this information be
> of help to you?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 3:12 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>
>> Who are his parents?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Dave Worman  wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> I agree that she was probably 13 years old when she married in 1923.
>>>
>>> The marriage certificate does not give specific residence addresses,
>>> just Tulare for Velma M. Cotta and Tipton for the groom Manuel M Coelho.
>>> The parents addresses are not given at all - just their names and
>>> birthplaces.  The mother's of the bride and groom are listed by their
>>> maiden names.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:41 AM, luiznoia . 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dave,
 I think the everchanging ages on censuses are due to languague
 confusion more than anything else.

 Thirteen years old with parental  consent was allowed then. My g
 grandmother was 13 when she married a 35 yr old in 1909 with her mother as
 the witness.

 This certificate confirms we are on the right track with the Joe M
 Cotta family. When the CCA site comes back online, I'll continue the
 passport search to locate them arriving in 1901 .
 Does it give the names of Manuel's parents, or ant adresses?

 EricE
 On Oct 20, 2015 8:02 AM, "Dave Worman"  wrote:

> Eric,
> Just received a copy of the Marriage Certificate for Velma M. Cotta
> and Manuel M. Coelho on Oct. 13, 1923 in Tulare, Calif.   It shows her 
> name
> as *Velma* not Belmira even though the newspaper article listed her
> as Belmira.
>
> Her parents are Joe M. Cotta - birthplace Portugal   and Mary
> Conceicao - birthplace Portugal the same as the 1910 census.
>
> Now the fun part!   It shows Velma's age as 17 years old!!The 1910
> census clearly shows Belmira as 2/12 - 2 months old.Do you suppose the
> parents fudged a bit on her age?
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, luiznoia . 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'm aware  alien residents were required to register. However,
>> when someone lives in the US for 60 years and doesn't
>>
>> apply for citizenship, he's probably not filling out draft cards and
>> Social Security either.
>>
>> I believe I've ruled out the Joe M Cotta, Jose Martin Cotta, and
>> Joseph Machado Cotta in Tulare as the one we're looking for. They can all
>> be
>>
>> tracked to future censuses and vital records showing then with other
>> families.
>>
>> Same is true with the brother Frank M ( Courter)  Cotta found in the
>> household on the 1910  Kaweah, Tulare census. There are four Frank M 
>> Cotta
>> around,
>>
>> none of those line up with the 1888 birthdate, and 1907 arrival.
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <
>> rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,  It didn't matter if you were an Alien or not, you filled out
>>> a draft card in WWI.
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:55 PM, luiznoia . 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. The 1930 census
 shows he is still an alien, so it's unlikey he would have a filled out 
 a
 draft card.

 Eric Edgar
 On Oct 12, 2015 10:17 AM, "linda"  wrote:

> I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB
>
>
> I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one
> of the records that has already been posted in the thread.
>
>
> L.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[Dave Worman]

Manuel M. Coelho's parents are:Joe M. Coelho birthplace Portugal and
Mary Nazera (maiden name) birthplace Portugal.   Will this information be
of help to you?

Dave


On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 3:12 PM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Who are his parents?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Dave Worman  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> I agree that she was probably 13 years old when she married in 1923.
>>
>> The marriage certificate does not give specific residence addresses, just
>> Tulare for Velma M. Cotta and Tipton for the groom Manuel M Coelho.   The
>> parents addresses are not given at all - just their names and birthplaces.
>> The mother's of the bride and groom are listed by their maiden names.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:41 AM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave,
>>> I think the everchanging ages on censuses are due to languague confusion
>>> more than anything else.
>>>
>>> Thirteen years old with parental  consent was allowed then. My g
>>> grandmother was 13 when she married a 35 yr old in 1909 with her mother as
>>> the witness.
>>>
>>> This certificate confirms we are on the right track with the Joe M Cotta
>>> family. When the CCA site comes back online, I'll continue the passport
>>> search to locate them arriving in 1901 .
>>> Does it give the names of Manuel's parents, or ant adresses?
>>>
>>> EricE
>>> On Oct 20, 2015 8:02 AM, "Dave Worman"  wrote:
>>>
 Eric,
 Just received a copy of the Marriage Certificate for Velma M. Cotta and
 Manuel M. Coelho on Oct. 13, 1923 in Tulare, Calif.   It shows her name as
 *Velma* not Belmira even though the newspaper article listed her as
 Belmira.

 Her parents are Joe M. Cotta - birthplace Portugal   and Mary Conceicao
 - birthplace Portugal the same as the 1910 census.

 Now the fun part!   It shows Velma's age as 17 years old!!The 1910
 census clearly shows Belmira as 2/12 - 2 months old.Do you suppose the
 parents fudged a bit on her age?

 Dave

 On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:36 AM, luiznoia . 
 wrote:

> Yes, I'm aware  alien residents were required to register. However,
> when someone lives in the US for 60 years and doesn't
>
> apply for citizenship, he's probably not filling out draft cards and
> Social Security either.
>
> I believe I've ruled out the Joe M Cotta, Jose Martin Cotta, and
> Joseph Machado Cotta in Tulare as the one we're looking for. They can all
> be
>
> tracked to future censuses and vital records showing then with other
> families.
>
> Same is true with the brother Frank M ( Courter)  Cotta found in the
> household on the 1910  Kaweah, Tulare census. There are four Frank M Cotta
> around,
>
> none of those line up with the 1888 birthdate, and 1907 arrival.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <
> rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Eric,  It didn't matter if you were an Alien or not, you filled out a
>> draft card in WWI.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:55 PM, luiznoia . 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, Joe M Cotta can be found in Tulare in 1910. The 1930 census
>>> shows he is still an alien, so it's unlikey he would have a filled out a
>>> draft card.
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>> On Oct 12, 2015 10:17 AM, "linda"  wrote:
>>>
 I think this may be Joe Cotta's WWI draft registration:


 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZNK-LGB


 I found it the other evening and just realized that it is not one
 of the records that has already been posted in the thread.


 L.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[Dave Worman]

Thank you.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Mary Conceicao is really Maria da Conceição, meaning Mary of the
> Conception. It is a religious middle name.
>
> After immigration, some women did start to use their father's surname as a
> maiden name. And some didn't. So you are going to have to check both ways.
>
> I don't know when the informant box appeared on birth certificates. So
> Velma may not have provided the information. If her husband did, he may
> have been providing his best guess.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[Cheri Mello]

Mary Conceicao is really Maria da Conceição, meaning Mary of the
Conception. It is a religious middle name.

After immigration, some women did start to use their father's surname as a
maiden name. And some didn't. So you are going to have to check both ways.

I don't know when the informant box appeared on birth certificates. So
Velma may not have provided the information. If her husband did, he may
have been providing his best guess.

Cheri

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