[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Baptism - Sao Mateus, Terceira

[linda]

Hi Lee,

Simon, I think.  The "S" for Sao Matheus looks about the same.  Also the 
child was baptised at home by the priest because they feared her life was 
in peril.

:)

Linda



On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 6:24:58 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>
> Maria, bottom right
>
> Finally found the record I've been looking for.
>
> Maria, daughter of Josefa Joaquina, single, who was the daughter of Jose 
> L/Simons??? and Maria Joaquina.
>
> Born November 3, 1810 (when her mother was about 14/15 years old).
>
> I need help with the name of Josefa's father Jose L/Simons  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1803-1817/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1803-1817_item1/P65.html
>
> Thank you.
>
> Lee
> Oak Hill WV
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Question for the Group: How do you handle a situation like this?

[Theresa Entin]

You are correct about the Antonio Curvelo Catalao genealogy  I too have the RR 
info.  Like you I didn’t think the dates were a good match.  I am sure that 
they are connected but there is a missing generation.  To me it is too much of 
a difference to make the call and connect them I guess you could always connect 
him to an “Unknown”. 

 I wonder how other genealogist would handle this situation or a situation like 
this?

This is what I wrote in an earlier post RE: Sebastiao Jacome Resendes.  Theresa


>> "Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I 
>> did not make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  
>> Sebastiao Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I 
>> didn’t think the dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
>> 
>> I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
>> proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  
>> do have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. “







> On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
> 
> Beautiful notation- I just learned from it.  Thank u for sharing with me how 
> u handle this gap.  Some years ago I posted about Sebastiao Jacome de 
> Resendes and someone emailed me the RR geneaology going back to Mestre 
> Antonio curvelho(?) but I had no documentation.  From what I remember, the 
> dates for Sebastiao didn't fit.  
> 
> I'm going to look for the marriages of his children.  If I find any, I'll 
> send u the links.  
> The mystery continues...
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2016, at 8:03 PM, Theresa Entin  > wrote:
> 
>> I’m not sure where his birth record came from, this was done many years ago. 
>>  I know that there were no written records in S. Espirito for marriages.  I 
>> may have just used a 20 year rule of thumb to determine the date of marriage 
>> or the date of birth.  What I do know, is that if I was positive of a 
>> connection I would have put it in.  If I made an educated guess I would put 
>> something like this into the notes: 
>> 
>> "This is not a proven connection.  It is my speculation because there were 
>> no other families in this time frame with the same last names.  It matches 
>> but it is not proven because of the limited number of written records 
>> available at this time. These families are also connected through the 
>> baptismal records of their children.”
>> 
>> So  that is the only explanation I have Sebastio’s date of birth.  Theresa
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Maria Lima > > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Theresa, thanks for sending Manoel's birth record.  You led me to it  
>>> And I found it after you gave me his birth date in one of your earlier 
>>> emails.  Thanks.  Fortunately it was legible.  I'm assuming this was their 
>>> first child because he was named Manoel.  So maybe Sebastiao and Maria da 
>>> Costa were married in 1686-1687.  
>>> 
>>> I'm still confused where you got info on Sebastiao being 21 when Manoel was 
>>> born.  I only have Sebastiao's obituary and the birth of his children 
>>> (some).  Since I don't know his parent's name, I haven't looked for 
>>> Sebastiao's  birth record in Santa Barbara.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maria Elena 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Theresa Entin >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Maria, Here is Manuel, son of Sebastiao Jacome and Maria Costa birth 
 record.:  Left page on the bottom: 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699_item1/P41.html
  
 
 
 On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Maria Lima > wrote:
> 
> Hi Theresa
> 
> I had to really study the  descendency chart yesterday.  I kept trying to 
> see where my sebastiao  (married to Maria da Costa) "FIT"  into  that 
> chart.  The one in the chart is  a sebastiao Jacome Resendes married to 
> Maria Santos lived in the early 1600's.  The one I'm researching died in 
> 1735.  I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't come to the conclusion that they 
> were two different individuals until this morning.  I wanted it to be the 
> same person and it tilted my reasoning.  
> 
> What through me off also was that you ALSO have the  same Sebastiao 
> married to Maria da Costa and their children; the one on working on.  
> 
>  The data I have on them is public on familysearch.org 
>  and I welcome it if you took a look at it to 
> compare notes.  I could send you the number associated 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)

[Maria Lima]

Beautiful notation- I just learned from it.  Thank u for sharing with me how u 
handle this gap.  Some years ago I posted about Sebastiao Jacome de Resendes 
and someone emailed me the RR geneaology going back to Mestre Antonio 
curvelho(?) but I had no documentation.  From what I remember, the dates for 
Sebastiao didn't fit.  

I'm going to look for the marriages of his children.  If I find any, I'll send 
u the links.  
The mystery continues...

Maria Elena 

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 8:03 PM, Theresa Entin  wrote:
> 
> I’m not sure where his birth record came from, this was done many years ago.  
> I know that there were no written records in S. Espirito for marriages.  I 
> may have just used a 20 year rule of thumb to determine the date of marriage 
> or the date of birth.  What I do know, is that if I was positive of a 
> connection I would have put it in.  If I made an educated guess I would put 
> something like this into the notes: 
> 
> "This is not a proven connection.  It is my speculation because there were no 
> other families in this time frame with the same last names.  It matches but 
> it is not proven because of the limited number of written records available 
> at this time. These families are also connected through the baptismal records 
> of their children.”
> 
> So  that is the only explanation I have Sebastio’s date of birth.  Theresa
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Theresa, thanks for sending Manoel's birth record.  You led me to it  And 
>> I found it after you gave me his birth date in one of your earlier emails.  
>> Thanks.  Fortunately it was legible.  I'm assuming this was their first 
>> child because he was named Manoel.  So maybe Sebastiao and Maria da Costa 
>> were married in 1686-1687.  
>> 
>> I'm still confused where you got info on Sebastiao being 21 when Manoel was 
>> born.  I only have Sebastiao's obituary and the birth of his children 
>> (some).  Since I don't know his parent's name, I haven't looked for 
>> Sebastiao's  birth record in Santa Barbara.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Theresa Entin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maria, Here is Manuel, son of Sebastiao Jacome and Maria Costa birth 
>>> record.:  Left page on the bottom: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699_item1/P41.html
>>> 
 On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:
 
 Hi Theresa
 
 I had to really study the  descendency chart yesterday.  I kept trying to 
 see where my sebastiao  (married to Maria da Costa) "FIT"  into  that 
 chart.  The one in the chart is  a sebastiao Jacome Resendes married to 
 Maria Santos lived in the early 1600's.  The one I'm researching died in 
 1735.  I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't come to the conclusion that they 
 were two different individuals until this morning.  I wanted it to be the 
 same person and it tilted my reasoning.  
 
 What through me off also was that you ALSO have the  same Sebastiao 
 married to Maria da Costa and their children; the one on working on.  
 
  The data I have on them is public on familysearch.org and I welcome it if 
 you took a look at it to compare notes.  I could send you the number 
 associated with Sebastiao and Maria da Costa if you want.  So you could 
 just plug in the number and they would pop up (so to speak).  Haha. Here's 
 his  number:  L6L8-XJ9.  With that number you'll find her too. 
 
 I have had confusion with the latter Sebastiao because the death record 
 said he was 60 when he died in 1735.  Based on that, I calculated he was 
 13 when he married and had his first son, Manoel, born 1688.  But you had 
 other information and said he was 21.  Do you think the words "more or 
 less" be 10 years range?  Can you tell me where you got his birth year?  I 
 looked for his marriage years ago and I don't think it's there but am 
 going to try again.  
 
 I have so many questions but gotta run for now.  
 
 
 
> On Jul 23, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Theresa Entin  
> wrote:
> 
> Let me do this again It got lost in cyber space and I had a senior 
> moment.  Here is what I posted previously and my attachment.  Sorry for 
> the confusion.
> 
> Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did 
> not make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  
> Sebastiao Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I 
> didn’t think the dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
> 
> I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
> proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  
> do 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Roque do Pico book

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Sean Andrade,
Here is Igor's address:

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Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Baptism - Sao Mateus, Terceira

[Lee]

Maria, bottom right

Finally found the record I've been looking for.

Maria, daughter of Josefa Joaquina, single, who was the daughter of Jose 
L/Simons??? and Maria Joaquina.

Born November 3, 1810 (when her mother was about 14/15 years old).

I need help with the name of Josefa's father Jose L/Simons  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1803-1817/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1803-1817_item1/P65.html

Thank you.

Lee
Oak Hill WV

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)

[Theresa Entin]

I’m not sure where his birth record came from, this was done many years ago.  I 
know that there were no written records in S. Espirito for marriages.  I may 
have just used a 20 year rule of thumb to determine the date of marriage or the 
date of birth.  What I do know, is that if I was positive of a connection I 
would have put it in.  If I made an educated guess I would put something like 
this into the notes: 

"This is not a proven connection.  It is my speculation because there were no 
other families in this time frame with the same last names.  It matches but it 
is not proven because of the limited number of written records available at 
this time. These families are also connected through the baptismal records of 
their children.”

So  that is the only explanation I have Sebastio’s date of birth.  Theresa



On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
> 
> Hi Theresa, thanks for sending Manoel's birth record.  You led me to it  And 
> I found it after you gave me his birth date in one of your earlier emails.  
> Thanks.  Fortunately it was legible.  I'm assuming this was their first child 
> because he was named Manoel.  So maybe Sebastiao and Maria da Costa were 
> married in 1686-1687.  
> 
> I'm still confused where you got info on Sebastiao being 21 when Manoel was 
> born.  I only have Sebastiao's obituary and the birth of his children (some). 
>  Since I don't know his parent's name, I haven't looked for Sebastiao's  
> birth record in Santa Barbara.  
> 
> 
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Theresa Entin  > wrote:
> 
>> Maria, Here is Manuel, son of Sebastiao Jacome and Maria Costa birth 
>> record.:  Left page on the bottom: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699_item1/P41.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Maria Lima > > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Theresa
>>> 
>>> I had to really study the  descendency chart yesterday.  I kept trying to 
>>> see where my sebastiao  (married to Maria da Costa) "FIT"  into  that 
>>> chart.  The one in the chart is  a sebastiao Jacome Resendes married to 
>>> Maria Santos lived in the early 1600's.  The one I'm researching died in 
>>> 1735.  I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't come to the conclusion that they 
>>> were two different individuals until this morning.  I wanted it to be the 
>>> same person and it tilted my reasoning.  
>>> 
>>> What through me off also was that you ALSO have the  same Sebastiao married 
>>> to Maria da Costa and their children; the one on working on.  
>>> 
>>>  The data I have on them is public on familysearch.org 
>>>  and I welcome it if you took a look at it to 
>>> compare notes.  I could send you the number associated with Sebastiao and 
>>> Maria da Costa if you want.  So you could just plug in the number and they 
>>> would pop up (so to speak).  Haha. Here's his  number:  L6L8-XJ9.  With 
>>> that number you'll find her too. 
>>> 
>>> I have had confusion with the latter Sebastiao because the death record 
>>> said he was 60 when he died in 1735.  Based on that, I calculated he was 13 
>>> when he married and had his first son, Manoel, born 1688.  But you had 
>>> other information and said he was 21.  Do you think the words "more or 
>>> less" be 10 years range?  Can you tell me where you got his birth year?  I 
>>> looked for his marriage years ago and I don't think it's there but am going 
>>> to try again.  
>>> 
>>> I have so many questions but gotta run for now.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Theresa Entin >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Let me do this again It got lost in cyber space and I had a senior moment. 
  Here is what I posted previously and my attachment.  Sorry for the 
 confusion.
 
 Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did 
 not make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao 
 Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the 
 dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
 
 I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
 proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  
 do have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. Theresa
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)

[Maria Lima]

Hi Theresa, thanks for sending Manoel's birth record.  You led me to it  And I 
found it after you gave me his birth date in one of your earlier emails.  
Thanks.  Fortunately it was legible.  I'm assuming this was their first child 
because he was named Manoel.  So maybe Sebastiao and Maria da Costa were 
married in 1686-1687.  

I'm still confused where you got info on Sebastiao being 21 when Manoel was 
born.  I only have Sebastiao's obituary and the birth of his children (some).  
Since I don't know his parent's name, I haven't looked for Sebastiao's  birth 
record in Santa Barbara.  



Maria Elena 

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Theresa Entin  wrote:
> 
> Maria, Here is Manuel, son of Sebastiao Jacome and Maria Costa birth record.: 
>  Left page on the bottom: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699_item1/P41.html
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Theresa
>> 
>> I had to really study the  descendency chart yesterday.  I kept trying to 
>> see where my sebastiao  (married to Maria da Costa) "FIT"  into  that chart. 
>>  The one in the chart is  a sebastiao Jacome Resendes married to Maria 
>> Santos lived in the early 1600's.  The one I'm researching died in 1735.  
>> I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't come to the conclusion that they were two 
>> different individuals until this morning.  I wanted it to be the same person 
>> and it tilted my reasoning.  
>> 
>> What through me off also was that you ALSO have the  same Sebastiao married 
>> to Maria da Costa and their children; the one on working on.  
>> 
>>  The data I have on them is public on familysearch.org and I welcome it if 
>> you took a look at it to compare notes.  I could send you the number 
>> associated with Sebastiao and Maria da Costa if you want.  So you could just 
>> plug in the number and they would pop up (so to speak).  Haha. Here's his  
>> number:  L6L8-XJ9.  With that number you'll find her too. 
>> 
>> I have had confusion with the latter Sebastiao because the death record said 
>> he was 60 when he died in 1735.  Based on that, I calculated he was 13 when 
>> he married and had his first son, Manoel, born 1688.  But you had other 
>> information and said he was 21.  Do you think the words "more or less" be 10 
>> years range?  Can you tell me where you got his birth year?  I looked for 
>> his marriage years ago and I don't think it's there but am going to try 
>> again.  
>> 
>> I have so many questions but gotta run for now.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Theresa Entin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me do this again It got lost in cyber space and I had a senior moment.  
>>> Here is what I posted previously and my attachment.  Sorry for the 
>>> confusion.
>>> 
>>> Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did 
>>> not make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao 
>>> Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the 
>>> dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
>>> 
>>> I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
>>> proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  do 
>>> have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. Theresa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did 
 not make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao 
 Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the 
 dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
 
 I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
 proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  
 do have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. Theresa
 On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Theresa Entin  wrote:
 
 Sorry, I should have sent this to the group.  Theresa
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Theresa Entin 
> Subject: Re: Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)
> Date: July 23, 2016 at 8:49:33 AM MST
> To: Júlio 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Joao Coelho and Izabel da Trinidade - Terceira - help with parents names

['Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Le,
I have some ascendants of this couple Philippe Garnier 
Paris - France 
Ahnentafel Chart for Antônio COELHO DE MELO


 

 
First Generation


 
  1. Antônio COELHO DEMELO was born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira 
(Açores).



Antônio married1 Beatrisdos Anjos, daughter of Manoel CORREA and Maria Dos 
Anjos, on 18 Dec 1758 inSão Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores). Beatris was 
born in São Roque dosAltares - Terceira (Açores).


 

 
Second Generation


 
  2. João COELHO DECARVALHO was born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira 
(Açores). He married2 Isabel da Trindade on 29Jan 1730 in São Roque dos Altares 
- Terceira (Açores).


 
  3. Isabel da Trindadewas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Third Generation


 
  4. Roque COELHO DE MELOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira 
(Açores). He married3 Maria CARVALHO on 5 Nov1702 in São Roque dos Altares - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
  5. Maria CARVALHOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores).


 
  6. Antônio CARDOSOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores). 
He married4 Catarina DE MELO on 29Dec 1691 in São Pedro dos Biscoitos - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
  7. Catarina DE MELOwas born in São Pedro dos Biscoitos - Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Fourth Generation


 
  8. João GONSALVES DEORNELAS was born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira 
(Açores). He married5 Beatris DE MELO on 17Jun 1657 in São Roque dos Altares - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
  9. Beatris DE MELOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores).


 
    10. Antão MARTINS COELHOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira 
(Açores). He married6 Joana NUNES on 2 Feb1665 in São Roque dos Altares - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
    11. Joana NUNES wasborn in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores).


 
    12. Gaspar CARDOSOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores). He 
married Maria DEMELO.


 
    13. Maria DE MELO wasborn in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores).


 

 
Fifth Generation


 
    16. Pedro DE ORNELASwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores). 
He married MariaGONSALVES.

17. Maria GONSALVESwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores).


 
    18. Balthazar GONSALVESBAIÃO was born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira 
(Açores). He marriedMaria DE MELO.


 
    19. Maria DE MELO wasborn in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores).


 
    20. Diogo FERNANDESwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores). 
He married CatarinaCOELHO.


 
    21. Catarina COELHOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores).


 
    22. Francisco DIAS COELHOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira 
(Açores). He married MariaCARVALHO.


 
    23. Maria CARVALHOwas born in São Roque dos Altares - Terceira (Açores).


 
Appendix A -  Sources


 

 
   1.  Arquivos de Angra - Altares, ph. 168.

   2.  Arquivos de Angra - Altares, ph. 56. dispensados em terceiro ecoarto 
grao de consanguinidade.

   3.  Arquivos de Angra - Altares, L° dos casamentos 1648-1712, ph. 89.

   4.  Arquivos de Angra - Biscoitos, ph. 28.

   5.  Arquivos de Angra - Altares, L° dos casamentos n°1, ph 8.

   6.  Arquivos de Angra - Altares, L° dos casamentos 1648-1712, ph. 18.

 

Em Segunda-feira, 4 de Julho de 2016 0:38, Lee  
escreveu:
 

 I am lucky that the CCA site seems to be mostly working for me today.
Below is the marriage of Joao Coelho and Izabel da Trinidade (January 29, 1730 
- right side bottom (Image 56) and left side top (image 57).
Joao Coelho filho de Roque Coelho and Maria (at the very bottom of image 56) 
Carvalha? (on image 57)  Top of image 57 if water damaged and difficult to read 
(for me, at least).
Izabel da/de Trinidade filha de  and Catharina de Mello?
Thank you.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P56.html
  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P57.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage record - Fontinas, Terceira Jose Homem and Marianna do Coracao de Jesus

[Lee]

Thank you, Philippe!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage record - Fontinas, Terceira Jose Homem and Marianna do Coracao de Jesus

['Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy]

The date is 1832, february 26.I have not this one, but i have a few of 
ascendants of Manoel Homem Martins and Josefa Antonia. See after. Philippe 
Garnier Paris - France 
Ahnentafel Chart for Manoel HOMEMMARTINS


 

 
First Generation


 
  1. ManoelHOMEM MARTINS was born on 4 May 1749 in São Roque dos Altares - 
Terceira(Açores) and was christened1 on 12 May 1749 in Santa Barbara do Fonte 
Bastardo -Terceira (Açores).



Manoel married2 JosefaAntonia, daughter of Manoel VIEIRA BORBA and Mariana 
BAPTISTA, on 29 Nov1778 in Santa Cruz da Praia - Terceira (Açores). Josefa was 
born in Santa Cruzda Praia - Terceira (Açores).


 

 
Second Generation


 
  2. Paschoal MARTINSBARRANCOS was born on 14 Apr 1702 in Santa Barbara do 
Fonte Bastardo -Terceira (Açores) and was christened3 on 19 Apr 1702 in Santa 
Barbara do Fonte Bastardo -Terceira (Açores). He married4 Maria de Santo 
Antônio on 2 Nov 1733 in Santa Barbara doFonte Bastardo - Ilha Terceira 
(Açores).


 
  3. Maria de SantoAntônio was born on 17 Apr 1706 in São Sebastião - 
Terceira (Açores) andwas christened5on 22 Apr 1706 in São Sebastião - Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Third Generation


 
  4. Sebastião MARTINS REBELOwas born in Santa Barbara do Fonte Bastarda - 
Terceira (Açores). He married6 Agueda RODRIGUES on 20Jun 1700 in Santa Barbara 
do Fonte Bastardo - Terceira (Açores).


 
  5. Agueda RODRIGUESwas born in Santo Antônio do Porto Judeo - Terceira 
(Açores).


 
  6. Salvador MARQUESwas christened7on 20 Jun 1669 in São Sebastião - 
Terceira (Açores). He died8 on 28 Mar 1725 in SãoSebastião - Terceira (Açores). 
Salvador married9 Maria de Santo Antônio on 13 Jul1705 in São Sebastião - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
  7. Maria de SantoAntônio was born in Sao Bartolomeo - Resgatos -Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Fourth Generation


 
    10. Manoel DE BARCELOSwas born in NS da Pena das Fontinhas - Terceira 
(Açores). He married MariaMENDES.


 
    11. Maria MENDES wasborn in NS da Pena das Fontinhas - Terceira (Açores).


 
    12. Bartolomeo VIEIRA DEAGUIAR10 was born in São Sebastião - Terceira 
(Açores). He married Maria SIMOISLEONARDES.


 
    13. Maria SIMOISLEONARDES11,12 was christened13 on 25 Oct 1632 in São 
Sebastião - Terceira (Açores). She died14 on 3 Apr 1702 in SãoSebastião - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
    14. Joseph DA COSTAwas born in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores). He married15 Isabel NOGUEIRA on 9 Sep1676 in São Bartholomeo dos 
Resgatos - Terceira (Açores).

    15. Isabel NOGUEIRAwas born in São Bartolomeo dos Resgatos -Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Fifth Generation


 
    26. Gregorio MARQUES16 was born in SantaBarbara do Fonte Bastardo - 
Terceira (Açores). He died17 on 13 Jan 1679 in SãoSebastião - Terceira 
(Açores). Gregorio married Justa LOURENÇO.


 
    27. Justa LOURENÇOdied18 on 19 Mar 1687 in SãoSebastião - Terceira (Açores).


 
    28. Pedro GONSALVESwas born in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores). He married19 Ana DA COSTA on 4 Nov1641 in Santa Barbara das Nove 
Ribeiras - Terceira (Açores).


 
    29. Ana DA COSTA wasborn in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores).


 
    30. Agostinho MARTINSwas born in São Bartholomeo dos Resgatos - Terceira 
(Açores). He married20 Maria VIEIRA on 9 Feb1653 in Santa Barbara das Nove 
Ribeiras - Terceira (Açores).


 
    31. Maria VIEIRA wasborn in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Sixth Generation


 
    52. Gaspar GREGORIOwas born in Santa Barbara do Fonte Bastardo - Terceira 
(Açores). He died21 on 22 Oct 1650 in SantaBarbara do Fonte Bastardo - Terceira 
(Açores). Gaspar married Maria FRANCO.


 
    53. Maria FRANCO wasborn in Santa Barbara do Fonte Bastardo - Terceira 
(Açores). She died22 on 23 Aug 1669 in SantaBarbara do Fonte Bastardo - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
    56. Pedro ALVERES wasborn in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores). He married23 Catarina GONSALVES on 23Jan 1600 in Santa Barbara das 
Nove Ribeiras - Terceira (Açores).


 
    57. Catarina GONSALVESwas born in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
    58. Manoel MARTINSwas born in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores). He married24 Barbara DA COSTA on 9Apr 1587 in Santa Barbara das Nove 
Ribeiras - Terceira (Açores).


 
    59. Barbara DA COSTAwas born in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores).


 
    60. Bento MARTINS wasborn in São Bartholomeo dos Resgatos - Terceira 
(Açores). He married CatarinaNOGUEIRA.


 
    61. Catarina NOGUEIRAwas born in São Bartholomeo dos Resgatos - Terceira 
(Açores).


 
    62. Antônio RODRIGUESVIEIRA was born in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - 
Terceira (Açores). Hemarried Isabel DIAS.


 
    63. Isabel DIAS wasborn in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Seventh Generation


 
  112. Belchior ALVERESwas born in Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras - Terceira 
(Açores). He marriedInês 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family secret? Mystery - Sao Mateues, Terceira

['Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Lee,
Yes, it's possible. I have some cases in my data base. But, the mariage record 
would be mentionned  a "dispensa por consanguinidade de 1° grao em linha 
colateral" ou "1° e 2° grao de consanguinidade". It's not write, in your case.
Josefa Joaquina is a frequent surname. I have 12 Josefa Joaquina in my data 
base (but not yours). The most probable is the priest wrote tio maternos (would 
be a mistake), in place of tios paternos (I look that a lot of time).Then 
Josefa Joaquina, wife of Manoel José Coelho, is the sister of Antônio da Rocha 
Tristão and the paternal aunt of Maria.
Try to find the batism record of Maria do Carmo in São Mateus and , perhaps, 
there are the parents of Josefa Joaquina, mother of Maria do Carmo. If not, the 
godparents could be indications.
Philippe Garnier Paris - France 

Em Domingo, 24 de Julho de 2016 23:44, Lee  
escreveu:
 

 Earlier I posted a question about the birth of Maria, daughter of Maria do 
Carmo and husband Antonio da Rocha Tristtao about the padrinhos.
Now I have a real mystery/puzzle/family secret on my hands?
I am researching the family of Maria do Carmo and Antonio da Rocha Tristao; 
below are sources/causes of my confusion (mystery/puzzle).
First, the marriage of Maria and Antonio 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860_item1/P46.html

you can see that Maria's parents are given as Josefa Joquina and pai nao sabido 
(unknown father).  And Antonio's parents are given as Francisco da Rocha 
Tristao and Marianna Jacinta.
Second, the birth of Maria (posted earlier)
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1852-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1852-1860_item1/P2.html
I figured out that the Tios materna meant "maternal uncles/aunt"; but does it 
mean Manoel Jose Coelho or Josefa Joquina?  (Remmber, Maria do Carmo's mother 
was a Josefa Joaquina per her marriage above.
And, third, the marriage of Josefa Joaquina and Manoel Jose Coelho
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860_item1/P45.html

Her parents are not listed, but she is the widow of one Joaquin Jose Brasil who 
died in/is buried is Sao Pedro.
Last, the marriage of Josefa Joaquina and Joaquin Jose Brasil in Sao Pedro
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1820-1843/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1820-1843_item1/P82.html

Her parents are listed as Francisco da Rocha Tristao and Marianna Jacina, who 
are the parents of Antonio da Rocha Tristato (first marriage record above) who 
married Maria do Carmo, daughter of a Josefa Joaquina, who is listed has her 
mother in the same record above (1st one).
My conundrum, did Maria do Carmo marry her uncle
I can tell you, this one is driving me a little by crazy.  It's keeps going in 
circles and circlesI think Josefa Joaquina and the family were trying to 
hide something (or someone).
Any suggestions/comments/ideas appreciated.
Lee EstepOak Hill WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)

[Theresa Entin]

Maria, Here is Manuel, son of Sebastiao Jacome and Maria Costa birth record.:  
Left page on the bottom: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699_item1/P41.html
 


On Jul 24, 2016, at 6:10 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:
> 
> Hi Theresa
> 
> I had to really study the  descendency chart yesterday.  I kept trying to see 
> where my sebastiao  (married to Maria da Costa) "FIT"  into  that chart.  The 
> one in the chart is  a sebastiao Jacome Resendes married to Maria Santos 
> lived in the early 1600's.  The one I'm researching died in 1735.  I'm 
> embarrassed to admit I didn't come to the conclusion that they were two 
> different individuals until this morning.  I wanted it to be the same person 
> and it tilted my reasoning.  
> 
> What through me off also was that you ALSO have the  same Sebastiao married 
> to Maria da Costa and their children; the one on working on.  
> 
>  The data I have on them is public on familysearch.org 
>  and I welcome it if you took a look at it to 
> compare notes.  I could send you the number associated with Sebastiao and 
> Maria da Costa if you want.  So you could just plug in the number and they 
> would pop up (so to speak).  Haha. Here's his  number:  L6L8-XJ9.  With that 
> number you'll find her too. 
> 
> I have had confusion with the latter Sebastiao because the death record said 
> he was 60 when he died in 1735.  Based on that, I calculated he was 13 when 
> he married and had his first son, Manoel, born 1688.  But you had other 
> information and said he was 21.  Do you think the words "more or less" be 10 
> years range?  Can you tell me where you got his birth year?  I looked for his 
> marriage years ago and I don't think it's there but am going to try again.  
> 
> I have so many questions but gotta run for now.  
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 23, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Theresa Entin  > wrote:
> 
>> Let me do this again It got lost in cyber space and I had a senior moment.  
>> Here is what I posted previously and my attachment.  Sorry for the confusion.
>> 
>> Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did not 
>> make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao 
>> Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the 
>> dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
>> 
>> I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
>> proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  do 
>> have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. Theresa
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did 
>>> not make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao 
>>> Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the 
>>> dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
>>> 
>>> I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
>>> proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  do 
>>> have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. Theresa
>>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Theresa Entin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I should have sent this to the group.  Theresa
>>> 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Theresa Entin >
 Subject: Re: Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)
 Date: July 23, 2016 at 8:49:33 AM MST
 To: Júlio >
 
 Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did 
 not make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao 
 Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the 
 dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
 
 I think I need some opinions 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family research for Jacintho Cabral

[Júlio]

Descendentes de António CABRAL
--

Primeira geração
--
--

*1. António CABRAL [20578]* .1  

António casou com *Victória Maria MONIZ* [21133] 1 
 [MRIN: 10564]. 

*Filho/a deste casamento:*

+ 2 Mi. *Antão CABRAL [6669] 
* 1 
 nasceu em São José, Ponta 
Delgada. 

Segunda geração (Filhos)
--

*2. Antão CABRAL [6669] * 1 
 (*António1*) nasceu em São 
José, Ponta Delgada. 

Antão casou com *Maria Joaquina Rosa BOTELHO* [3254] 1 
 [MRIN: 1910], filha de *José 
Gil BOTELHO* [5454] 1  e *Maria 
Eugenia ou Joaquina de Jesus PACHECO* [48239],1 
 a 4 Abr 1849 em Porto Formoso. 
Maria nasceu em Porto Formoso. 

*Filhos deste casamento:*

   3 Fi. *Maria da Paixão CABRAL [16250]* .1 
 

+ 4 Mii. *José Cabral ANTÃO [6664] 
* 1 
 nasceu em 1861 em Porto 
Formoso. 

+ 5 Fiii. *Rosa de Jesus ANTÃO [3242] 
* 1 
 nasceu em 1868 em Porto 
Formoso. 

+ 6 Miv. *Jacinto CABRAL [57990] 
* nasceu a 1 Fev 1852 em 
Porto Formoso. 

Terceira geração (Netos)
--

*4. José Cabral ANTÃO [6664] 
* 1 
 (*Antão2, António1*) nasceu em 
1861 em Porto Formoso. 

José casou com *Rosa Ricarda do Espirito Santo MONIZ* [6663] 1 
 [MRIN: 3719], filha de *Joaquim 
MONIZ* [3366] 1  e *Ricarda da 
Conceição ou Jesus LOPES* [3378],1 
 a 26 Jan 1885 em Porto Formoso. 

*Filhos deste casamento:*

   7 Fi. *Rosa do Espirito Santo CABRAL [5852]* .1 
 

Rosa casou com *José do Monte VIANA* [5850] 1 
 [MRIN: 3275], filho de *Francisco 
do MONTE* [20072] 1  e *Maria da 
Conceição VIANA* [20071],.1 

   8 Fii. *Ricarda dos Anjos CABRAL [22857]* 1 
 nasceu a 12 Ago 1892 em Porto 
Formoso, e faleceu a 28 Fev 1979 em Porto Formoso com 86 anos de idade. 

Ricarda casou com *José Pacheco de SOUSA* [22856] 1 
 [MRIN: 11614], filho de *José 
Pacheco de SOUSA* [49702] e *Emilia Julia* [49703]. José nasceu a 26 Ago 
1892 em Porto Formoso, e faleceu a 6 Ago 1978 em Porto Formoso com 85 anos 
de idade.

*5. Rosa de Jesus ANTÃO [3242] 
* 1 
 (*Antão2, António1*) nasceu em 
1868 em Porto Formoso. 

Rosa casou com *João Mauricio BENFEITO* [3230] 1 
 [MRIN: 1895], filho de *Mauricio 
José Lopes BENFEITO* [5918] 1  e 
*Francisca 
ou Antónia Rosa de Jesus PEREIRA* [52799],1 
 a 18 Nov 1889 em Porto Formoso. 
João nasceu em 1866 em Porto Formoso. 

*Filho/a deste casamento:*

   9 Mi. *João Lopes BENFEITO [53798]* nasceu a 17 Mai 1897 em Porto 
Formoso. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1890-1899/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1890-1899_item1/P245.html

*6. Jacinto CABRAL [57990] *
 (*Antão2, António1*) nasceu a 1 Fev 1852 em Porto Formoso. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1841-1854/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1841-1854_item1/P157.html

Jacinto casou com *Rosa de Melo CABRAL* [57991] [MRIN: 27598], filha de *Manuel 
FERNANDES* [57994] e *Margarida Rosa de Melo MONIZ* [57995], Bef 1876. Rosa 
nasceu a 21 Nov 1855 em Faial Da Terra. 

*Filhos deste casamento:*

   10 Mi. *António CABRAL [57996]* nasceu a 14 Set 1875 em Porto 
Formoso. 

   11 Mii. *Manuel CABRAL [57997]* nasceu a 5 Ago 1878 em Porto 
Formoso. 

domingo, 24 de Julho de 2016 às 03:04:04 UTC, Laura escreveu:
>
> Hi, my name is Laura and I have just joined your group. I am researching 
> many branches of my family tree but right now I am focusing on the Cabral 
> side of the family. My great grandfather was Jacintho Cabral, b: Feb1852 in 
> San Miguel. He was married to a Rose de Mello, they had two sons, Manuel 
> and Joseph. He then married Amelia (Emma) Barbosa, May 10,1894 in Oakland, 
> Calif., they had eight children. Jacintho died June 19, 1912, in Oakland 
> Calif. I have not been able to find any information from before he came to 
> America. I would appreciate any help I can get. Thank you.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I'll let you know when I find out anything from Igor.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Sean Andrade 
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> Thanks! No family from San roque that I have discovered as of yet, most of
> my family is from faial though with a couple of branches stemming from pico
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks! No family from San roque that I have discovered as of yet, most of my 
family is from faial though with a couple of branches stemming from pico 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family secret? Mystery - Sao Mateues, Terceira

[Lee]

Earlier I posted a question about the birth of Maria, daughter of Maria do 
Carmo and husband Antonio da Rocha Tristtao about the padrinhos.

Now I have a real mystery/puzzle/family secret on my hands?

I am researching the family of Maria do Carmo and Antonio da Rocha Tristao; 
below are sources/causes of my confusion (mystery/puzzle).

First, the marriage of Maria and Antonio 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860_item1/P46.html

you can see that Maria's parents are given as Josefa Joquina and pai nao 
sabido (unknown father).  And Antonio's parents are given as Francisco da 
Rocha Tristao and Marianna Jacinta.

Second, the birth of Maria (posted earlier)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1852-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1852-1860_item1/P2.htm
 

l


I figured out that the Tios materna meant "maternal uncles/aunt"; but does 
it mean Manoel Jose Coelho or Josefa Joquina?  (Remmber, Maria do Carmo's 
mother was a Josefa Joaquina per her marriage above.


And, third, the marriage of Josefa Joaquina and Manoel Jose Coelho


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1831-1860_item1/P45.html


Her parents are not listed, but she is the widow of one Joaquin Jose Brasil 
who died in/is buried is Sao Pedro.


Last, the marriage of Josefa Joaquina and Joaquin Jose Brasil in Sao Pedro


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1820-1843/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1820-1843_item1/P82.html


Her parents are listed as *Francisco da Rocha Tristao and Marianna Jacina*, 
who are the parents of Antonio da Rocha Tristato (first marriage record 
above) who married Maria do Carmo, daughter of a Josefa Joaquina, who is 
listed has her mother in the same record above (1st one).


My conundrum, did Maria do Carmo marry her uncle


I can tell you, this one is driving me a little by crazy.  It's keeps going 
in circles and circlesI think Josefa Joaquina and the family were 
trying to hide something (or someone).


Any suggestions/comments/ideas appreciated.


Lee Estep

Oak Hill WV


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Baptism - Sao Mateus, Teceira

[Lee]

Answered my own question, it's Coelho - I found their marriage record in 
1841.



On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 4:35:23 PM UTC-4, Lee wrote:
>
> Top left
>
> Maria daughter of Antonio da Rocha and Maria do Carmo, both of Sao Mateus
>
> Born March ??, 1852 
>
> Padrinohos, Manoel Jose CARVALHO/COELHO and Josefa Joaquina, Tios? 
> materna 
>
> I know that Maria do Carmo was the daughter of a Josefa Joaquina and pai 
> incognito; apparently this is her mother above.
>
> My main question, is can someone verify the surname of Josefa Joaquina's 
> husband, Manoel Jose  (Carvalho or Coelho??)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1852-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1852-1860_item1/P2.html
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> Thank you.
>
> Lee Estep
> Oak Hill, WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Sean, you will be able to order the books via PayPal so no bank checks to
worry about. You will be charged the exchange rate but at my last check $15
Euros was $16.50 US dollars and of course, your bank will charge some $$.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

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The books are in Portuguese but they are in a form that is easily read.
Igor will be sending me the info on the new book and I'm sure that you will
be able to email him about the first book. Do you have any lines from Sao
Roque?? My one and only line from Pico is Sao Roque and the first book took
me back two more generations. I really hope that the second book will give
me more info on the line into Faial. Once you hope over to Faial you may be
able to connect with the book Familias Faialenses my Marcelino Lima. If you
hook up with one of those families you jump to Terceira and even to
Portugal on some lines.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

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Thanks! Are the books only in portuguese? Where can I buy them?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Sean,
Igor Espinola de Franca has two books out now on Sao Roque do Pico which
ties many of the old founding families to families originally from Faial. I
bought his first book and it's great. His second will be previewing on July
29th and he will be letting us know how we may order. The first book was 20
Euros the second is 15 Euros. The good thing about the info is it started
with the Church records and now has expanded into using other records of
the islands.


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> I have reached the end of the line for CCA on a branch of my family that
> descends from Pico. Is there any way to retrieve information on a certain
> place prior to the records that have been recorded on the CCA site?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Baptism - Sao Mateus, Teceira

[Lee]

Top left

Maria daughter of Antonio da Rocha and Maria do Carmo, both of Sao Mateus

Born March ??, 1852 

Padrinohos, Manoel Jose CARVALHO/COELHO and Josefa Joaquina, Tios? 
materna 

I know that Maria do Carmo was the daughter of a Josefa Joaquina and pai 
incognito; apparently this is her mother above.

My main question, is can someone verify the surname of Josefa Joaquina's 
husband, Manoel Jose  (Carvalho or Coelho??)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1852-1860/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-B-1852-1860_item1/P2.html

Thank you.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I have reached the end of the line for CCA on a branch of my family that 
descends from Pico. Is there any way to retrieve information on a certain 
place prior to the records that have been recorded on the CCA site?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Praia do Norte, Faial, Andrade

[Sean Andrade]

Hi Howard,

Sorry for the late reply, I haven't been on here for a while. I do have a 
good amount of ancestors from Pico, but haven't found any Andrades from 
there yet. All of the Andrades I am descended from are from Faial.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 11:11:58 PM UTC-7, Howard Pilot wrote:
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> Sean 
> I've been helping a friend find her fathers( Andrade) relatives/ascestors 
> and heir descendants on Pico. 
> In particular Madalena, Bandieras and Sao Rogue. 
> We my possibly be looking for the same people. 
> if your interested give me reply. 
> Thanks, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)

[Maria Lima]

Hi Theresa

I had to really study the  descendency chart yesterday.  I kept trying to see 
where my sebastiao  (married to Maria da Costa) "FIT"  into  that chart.  The 
one in the chart is  a sebastiao Jacome Resendes married to Maria Santos lived 
in the early 1600's.  The one I'm researching died in 1735.  I'm embarrassed to 
admit I didn't come to the conclusion that they were two different individuals 
until this morning.  I wanted it to be the same person and it tilted my 
reasoning.  

What through me off also was that you ALSO have the  same Sebastiao married to 
Maria da Costa and their children; the one on working on.  

 The data I have on them is public on familysearch.org and I welcome it if you 
took a look at it to compare notes.  I could send you the number associated 
with Sebastiao and Maria da Costa if you want.  So you could just plug in the 
number and they would pop up (so to speak).  Haha. Here's his  number:  
L6L8-XJ9.  With that number you'll find her too. 

I have had confusion with the latter Sebastiao because the death record said he 
was 60 when he died in 1735.  Based on that, I calculated he was 13 when he 
married and had his first son, Manoel, born 1688.  But you had other 
information and said he was 21.  Do you think the words "more or less" be 10 
years range?  Can you tell me where you got his birth year?  I looked for his 
marriage years ago and I don't think it's there but am going to try again.  

I have so many questions but gotta run for now.  



> On Jul 23, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Theresa Entin  wrote:
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> Let me do this again It got lost in cyber space and I had a senior moment.  
> Here is what I posted previously and my attachment.  Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did not 
> make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao Jacome 
> Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the dates 
> worked and I also could not prove the line.  
> 
> I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
> proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  do 
> have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. Theresa
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>> Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did not 
>> make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao 
>> Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the 
>> dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
>> 
>> I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
>> proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  do 
>> have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. Theresa
>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Theresa Entin  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, I should have sent this to the group.  Theresa
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Theresa Entin 
>>> Subject: Re: Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)
>>> Date: July 23, 2016 at 8:49:33 AM MST
>>> To: Júlio 
>>> 
>>> Yes I do have the connection from Antonio Catalao aka Curvelo. But I did 
>>> not make the connection from Felipe Jacome Resendes and his son  Sebastiao 
>>> Jacome Resendes to the later Sebastiao Jacome Resendes. I didn’t think the 
>>> dates worked and I also could not prove the line.  
>>> 
>>> I think I need some opinions on what you would do when you don’t have a 
>>> proven line and the dates are not working.  Here is what I have. BTW, I  do 
>>> have all the Catalao line done and all the connections to it. Theresa
>> 
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 On Jul 23, 2016, at 5:07 AM, Júlio 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel da Costa Carvalho from Vila Franca do Campo - S. MIguel - Ancestry

[JR]

Thank you Manoel. Believe me I know about that priest. It is hardest I have 
come across. The writing is clear but it is overly stylish and the priest 
loops everything back into his letters making it almost impossible to read. 

I have this record below, and I think this Maria Lourenco must be the same 
Maria da Fonseca that you have married to Pedro do Monte. But I also see 
they had two Maria's.

from bapt of VFSM, Jan 20- 1636, mad- Maria Lourenco fa. de Jorge Nunes 
Velludo

JR

On Sunday, July 24, 2016 at 5:52:14 AM UTC-4, mances wrote:
>
> I found this child born to Jorge Nunes and Maria Lourenço. See the link 
> below to realize how hard is to read this kind of record.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1598-1615/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1598-1615_item1/P99.html
>
> Right page, middle.
> 17 de abril de 1605 - Francisco filho de Jorge Nunes e de sua mulher Maria 
> Lourença.
> Foram padrinhos Antonio da Mota e Isabel Roiz.
>
>
> Here's what I have for now about Jorge Nunes and Maria Lourenço:
> Filhos batizados na Matriz de Vila Franca do Campo:
> . Francisco, b. 17.4.1605 - CCA #99. Pd: Antonio da Mota e Isabel Roiz.
> . Clara e Maria (gêmeas), b. 7.10.1607 - CCA #127. Pd: Manuel Zuzarte e 
> Catarina de Benevides, de Clara. Gaspar Correia e Ana Fernandes, de Maria.
> . Maria, b. 13.12.1609 - CCA #146. Pd: Braz Gonçalves e Helena Gil.
> . Manuel, b. 1.5.1612 - CCA #162. Pd: Bento da Fonseca e Isabel da Silva 
> Correia.
> . Antonio, b. 8.1.1614 - CCA #174. Pd: Antonio Nunes e Ana Gomes.
> . Miguel, b. 8.9.1615 - CCA #3. Pd: Matias da Mota e Isabel Tavares.
> . Ana, b. 25.2.1618 - CCA #18. Pd: Antonio Pacheco e Joana de Melo.
>
> .  Matriz de Vila Franca do Campo, 6.2.1658 - CCA #202, casamento de Pedro 
> do Monte, viúvo, com Maria da Fonseca, filha de Jorge Nunes e Maria 
> Lourenço. Foi testemunha Ana de Matos mulher de Manuel Curvelo.
>
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sábado, 23 de julho de 2016 16:11:19 UTC-3, JR escreveu:
>>
>> Thanks, Manuel. I have to back off now, my eyes and my head can only take 
>> so much intensive reading with a monitor in my eyes. Makes me want to go to 
>> sleep!
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 2:55:22 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
>>>
>>> John,
>>> Here's another daughter for Manuel Raposo and Águeda Carvalho:
>>> right page, 3th record - Maria, b. 15 sep 1641
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669_item1/P11.html
>>>
>>> Manoel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Em sábado, 23 de julho de 2016 15:38:19 UTC-3, JR escreveu:

 There are more baptisms for Andre Frz and Beatriz Costa to be sure, but 
 this is what I have for now:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669_item1/P14.html

 Pad- Fco Glz mores Agua de Alto freg de Sap Pedro (VF) and Barbara Frz 
 mer de Gregorio Glz mores Ponta da Garca freg NS da Pidade.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669_item1/P42.html

 VFSM bap- Gaspar, bap- Jan 30- 1645, filho de Andre Frz and Breatis da 
 Costa, Pad- Antonio Vultao e Ma Glz mer de Antonio Gomes todos desta freg.


 On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 2:11:07 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
>
> Thank you John,
>
> Here's another record where Tracunas is also cleary spelled out:
> Top left
> Manuel Alves Tracunas.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1615-1640/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1615-1640_item1/P178.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel da Costa Carvalho from Vila Franca do Campo - S. MIguel - Ancestry

[mances]

I found this child born to Jorge Nunes and Maria Lourenço. See the link 
below to realize how hard is to read this kind of record.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1598-1615/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1598-1615_item1/P99.html

Right page, middle.
17 de abril de 1605 - Francisco filho de Jorge Nunes e de sua mulher Maria 
Lourença.
Foram padrinhos Antonio da Mota e Isabel Roiz.


Here's what I have for now about Jorge Nunes and Maria Lourenço:
Filhos batizados na Matriz de Vila Franca do Campo:
. Francisco, b. 17.4.1605 - CCA #99. Pd: Antonio da Mota e Isabel Roiz.
. Clara e Maria (gêmeas), b. 7.10.1607 - CCA #127. Pd: Manuel Zuzarte e 
Catarina de Benevides, de Clara. Gaspar Correia e Ana Fernandes, de Maria.
. Maria, b. 13.12.1609 - CCA #146. Pd: Braz Gonçalves e Helena Gil.
. Manuel, b. 1.5.1612 - CCA #162. Pd: Bento da Fonseca e Isabel da Silva 
Correia.
. Antonio, b. 8.1.1614 - CCA #174. Pd: Antonio Nunes e Ana Gomes.
. Miguel, b. 8.9.1615 - CCA #3. Pd: Matias da Mota e Isabel Tavares.
. Ana, b. 25.2.1618 - CCA #18. Pd: Antonio Pacheco e Joana de Melo.

.  Matriz de Vila Franca do Campo, 6.2.1658 - CCA #202, casamento de Pedro 
do Monte, viúvo, com Maria da Fonseca, filha de Jorge Nunes e Maria 
Lourenço. Foi testemunha Ana de Matos mulher de Manuel Curvelo.


Manoel

Em sábado, 23 de julho de 2016 16:11:19 UTC-3, JR escreveu:
>
> Thanks, Manuel. I have to back off now, my eyes and my head can only take 
> so much intensive reading with a monitor in my eyes. Makes me want to go to 
> sleep!
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 2:55:22 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:
>>
>> John,
>> Here's another daughter for Manuel Raposo and Águeda Carvalho:
>> right page, 3th record - Maria, b. 15 sep 1641
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669_item1/P11.html
>>
>> Manoel
>>
>>
>>
>> Em sábado, 23 de julho de 2016 15:38:19 UTC-3, JR escreveu:
>>>
>>> There are more baptisms for Andre Frz and Beatriz Costa to be sure, but 
>>> this is what I have for now:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669_item1/P14.html
>>>
>>> Pad- Fco Glz mores Agua de Alto freg de Sap Pedro (VF) and Barbara Frz 
>>> mer de Gregorio Glz mores Ponta da Garca freg NS da Pidade.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1640-1669_item1/P42.html
>>>
>>> VFSM bap- Gaspar, bap- Jan 30- 1645, filho de Andre Frz and Breatis da 
>>> Costa, Pad- Antonio Vultao e Ma Glz mer de Antonio Gomes todos desta freg.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 2:11:07 PM UTC-4, mances wrote:

 Thank you John,

 Here's another record where Tracunas is also cleary spelled out:
 Top left
 Manuel Alves Tracunas.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1615-1640/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1615-1640_item1/P178.html

 Manoel


>>>

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