Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] One Word Escapes Me...

[Becky Mendonca]

Intiada= stepdaughter

On Mar 1, 2017 10:39 PM, "Sue Q"  wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-
> SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749_item1/P352.html
>
> The record is the bottom one for Mateus and on the 8th line down it says
> the godparents are Manuel de Bettencourt and his intiada... or infiada? I
> can't figure out that word and am wondering if anyone can help.
>
> Sue
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: One Word Escapes Me...

[Sue Q]

Thank you, Cheri. A new word for my list!

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 9:39:26 PM UTC-8, Sue Q wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749_item1/P352.html
>
> The record is the bottom one for Mateus and on the 8th line down it says 
> the godparents are Manuel de Bettencourt and his intiada... or infiada? I 
> can't figure out that word and am wondering if anyone can help.
>
> Sue
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] One Word Escapes Me...

[Cheri Mello]

Intiada is a step-daughter.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Sue Q  wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-
> SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749_item1/P352.html
>
> The record is the bottom one for Mateus and on the 8th line down it says
> the godparents are Manuel de Bettencourt and his intiada... or infiada? I
> can't figure out that word and am wondering if anyone can help.
>
> Sue
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[AZORES-Genealogy] One Word Escapes Me...

[Sue Q]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1736-1749_item1/P352.html

The record is the bottom one for Mateus and on the 8th line down it says 
the godparents are Manuel de Bettencourt and his intiada... or infiada? I 
can't figure out that word and am wondering if anyone can help.

Sue

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Costa and Anna de Sousa

[Louie Avila]

Am I reading correctly that the parents of both the bride and the groom are 
from Pico?

and ... the bride and groom were baptized on Pico, Sao Matheus?

Link: 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1723-1740/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1723-1740_item1/P23.html

Bottom Left.

Thanks for looking!

Louie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans obit

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri,

The original book disappeared and in 1868 by the order of the Bishop the
obits were re-entered on this one.

This information is on page 1, left hand side, blue section headed
"Abertura"

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1833-1845/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1833-1845_item1/P3.html

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, she died 22 Nov 1836.
>
> I don't know why the date at the end of those records. I don't work the
> Cedros, Faial records. I wonder if the priest has rewritten the death book
> from the original and he's dating the entries? There's a few with each date
> and it's chronological as I looked a couple of images ahead. Maybe someone
> else knows.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-
>> CEDROS-O-1833-1845/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1833-1845_item1/P23.html
>>
>> Maria Rosa Middle right sidewhat or why does it say Dec 4, 1868 at
>> the end of her notice?
>>
>> Is her death Nov 22, 1836?  and she was 50 yrs old
>>
>> thx
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Villages Online Now - Azorean Gravestone Project

[Marilyn Thompson]

I asked the date of the map because I was told that the area that my great
grandparents came from had fallen into the ocean. They were from Salto
Verde. I see Faja do Salto Verde on the Northern coastline. It is just west
of the second longitude line from the lower end of the island.

I know when we were there in 2001 a fellow was telling us that to hike
there was very difficult because the trail was very narrow and steep. We
did not do the hike. I also do not have any idea when that was supposed to
have happened.



On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:43 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Mary the one I uploaded is less then half the quality of the big ones I
> have scanned... That one was shrunk for space. I just sent you an email
> with the good scan of SJ.
>
> I have had these a while, but just got permission to use them like this
> because copyright has not been renewed.
> ,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: azores currencies

[linda]

Hi Gordon,

Those are really interesting questions.  I might be able to help a bit with 
the question regarding the currency, but others will have to answer your 
questions on religious practice.

Currency: The Real was the monetary unit in use until about 1910 and the 
end of the Portuguese monarchy.   A Vintem equaled 20 Reis, and a Tostao 
equaled 80 (or, later, 100) Reis.  What are the dates of the records you're 
wondering about?  I have some historic conversion rates somewhere on my 
computer, but depending on the period you're looking at, they might not 
apply.

Also, if you don't mind adding links to the original records you're 
referencing,  that might help people to interpret them.

hope that helps,

:)

Linda
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wrote:
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> In many of the documents of burials for my ancestors I see the following: 
> “she was buried in the church of Lajes and it will be paid 8 VINTENS for 
> the grave”. Likewise. “He didn’t make a will and there will be 200 reis paid 
> for the grave.”  Also, In her will she determined she wanted 30 masses for 
> her soul, 10 masses for her intention and half a ceremony. She was buried 
> at the church and lit will be paid 8 ViNTENS ‘for the grave”. What is meant 
> by “half-a ceremony? and what is meant by 10 masses for her INTENTION? 
> Finally, “ He didn’t make a will and was buried in the church of Ladies. It 
> will be paid 2 TOSTOES FOR HIS SOUL. Does anyone know the current values 
> of a reis, vintner or tostoes?
>
> Was it fact or fiction that anyone baptized as Maria (or a variation of 
> Mary) or Joseph the baptism was free?
>
> Gordon
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate

[Maria Lima]

Thank you for explaining the name was the early form.  Now I know how to enter 
it.  I'm happy now

Maria Elena 

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> It is the early form of writing a surname with de, da, do. 
> 
> An example is (da Ruda, d'aRuda, de Arruda)
> 
> In the case here we have ( da Guiar, d'aGuiar, de Aguiar)
> 
> The surname is "de Aguiar"
> 
> Cheers
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 5:13 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
>> Imagine an apostrophe there, Maria d'aguiar
>> De: Maria Lima
>> Enviado: ‎01/‎03/‎2017 21:43
>> Para: AZORES
>> Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate
>> 
>> LEFT PAGE BOTTOM RECORD
>> 
>> Is the bride's mother named Maria Da Aguiar?  Did the priest abbreviate d 
>> Aguiar??
>> 
>> I'm not sure how to enter it in the program.  Help?  
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P16.html
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate

[Margaret Vicente]

It is the early form of writing a surname with de, da, do.

An example is (da Ruda, d'aRuda, de Arruda)

In the case here we have ( da Guiar, d'aGuiar, de Aguiar)

The surname is "de Aguiar"

Cheers
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 5:13 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Imagine an apostrophe there, Maria d'aguiar
> --
> De: Maria Lima 
> Enviado: ‎01/‎03/‎2017 21:43
> Para: AZORES 
> Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest
> abbreviate
>
> LEFT PAGE BOTTOM RECORD
>
> Is the bride's mother named Maria Da Aguiar?  Did the priest abbreviate d
> Aguiar??
>
> I'm not sure how to enter it in the program.  Help?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P16.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] more help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Ya she's a headache!!I'm trying to find a Rosa Maria actually.  MAYBE!
I have an Antonio marring a Maria Rosa and she dies in 1836  so I was
looking for a Rosa Maria after that marrying Antonio because one of their
sons baptism doc says mother is Rosa Maria.  But you know how that goes.
UHG!   This whole family line is a mess.  There are to many Antonio
Silveira's marrying Maria Rosas.   I don't know if I'll ever get it
straight.



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> Boy, I don't blame you on this one! Antonio da Silveira widower of Maria
> Rosa to (com) Maria Rosa daughter of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa. I
> don't think there is any impediment to the marriage but I may be wrong.
>
> Rosemarie
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-
>> CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P61.html
>>
>> Ok I just plain don't get this one.
>> Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa and Maria Rosa is the legitimate daughter
>> of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa???
>>
>> there is some scribble after Antonio Silveira???
>>
>> does it happen to say that he was married to someone before? or how old
>> either of them are?
>>
>> I think a witness was Joao Silveira ???
>>
>> I guess I've not really read marriages.  There's a lot there I don't
>> know.
>>
>> thx
>> Liz
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate

[Ângela Loura]

Imagine an apostrophe there, Maria d'aguiar

- Mensagem Original -
De: "Maria Lima" 
Enviado: ‎01/‎03/‎2017 21:43
Para: "AZORES" 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate

LEFT PAGE BOTTOM RECORD


Is the bride's mother named Maria Da Aguiar?  Did the priest abbreviate d 
Aguiar??


I'm not sure how to enter it in the program.  Help?  


Thanks!



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P16.html



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] more help

['Pat Paquette' via Azores Genealogy]

Liz-I believe this Maria Rosa may be my second great grandmother. 4 years ago 
when I joined this group EH Silveira sent me 2 attachments. One was an 11 page 
register report for Francisco Pereira Dutra Escobar and the second is a 60 page 
Ahnentafel report for myself. If you want a copy email me at mee...@aol.com and 
I will forward to you if it will help. Patricia Arruda Paquette



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To: azores 
Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 4:20 pm
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] more help






http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P61.html


Ok I just plain don't get this one.

Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa and Maria Rosa is the legitimate daughter of 
Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa???


there is some scribble after Antonio Silveira???



does it happen to say that he was married to someone before? or how old either 
of them are?


I think a witness was Joao Silveira ???



I guess I've not really read marriages.  There's a lot there I don't know.   


thx

Liz


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translate Obit

[Elizabeth Migliori]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1823-1830/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1823-1830_item1/P86.html

so could this be his baptism?  top left.  What does it say in the left
column about the year 1841?

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, 62 or so.
> In the left column, under the name of Antonio, it says "solteiro" although
> it looks almost like "falteiro." Single man, not married. Also in the
> document, it says he doesn't have children. Or he had them, he never owned
> up to it publicly.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok so double s is 60 so 62  so he was born 1827?  Does it say who he was
>> married to or if he was.  I only see parents names
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> The double "s" looks like our handwritten "fs". The handwriting looks
>>> like: sefsenta. You can see how the "t" is crossed at the end of the word.
>>>
>>> I've given you the clues, now I'm going to let you take a guess.  Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-
 CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.html

 Antonio # 7 left side
 can someone tell me how old he is.  I can't tell if that's Sessenta or
 Setenta

 thx
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate

[Cheri Mello]

I didn't think Aguiar used the de da do prefix. But that's my guess. He
used it and meant to write d'Aguiar.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate

[Maria Lima]

LEFT PAGE BOTTOM RECORD

Is the bride's mother named Maria Da Aguiar?  Did the priest abbreviate d 
Aguiar??

I'm not sure how to enter it in the program.  Help?  

Thanks!


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P16.html


Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] more help

[Cheri Mello]

4th line: Antonio Silveira v.o (abbreviation for viuvo, widower) of Maria
Rosa, marrying with (com) Maria Rosa, the legitimate daughter of Antonio
Silveira and Maria Rosa.

No ages, as that's usually in the 3rd time period of 1860s onward. But it
mentions that they met their Lenten obligations.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-
> HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P61.html
>
> Ok I just plain don't get this one.
> Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa and Maria Rosa is the legitimate daughter
> of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa???
>
> there is some scribble after Antonio Silveira???
>
> does it happen to say that he was married to someone before? or how old
> either of them are?
>
> I think a witness was Joao Silveira ???
>
> I guess I've not really read marriages.  There's a lot there I don't
> know.
>
> thx
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] more help

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Boy, I don't blame you on this one! Antonio da Silveira widower of Maria
Rosa to (com) Maria Rosa daughter of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa. I
don't think there is any impediment to the marriage but I may be wrong.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-
> HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P61.html
>
> Ok I just plain don't get this one.
> Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa and Maria Rosa is the legitimate daughter
> of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa???
>
> there is some scribble after Antonio Silveira???
>
> does it happen to say that he was married to someone before? or how old
> either of them are?
>
> I think a witness was Joao Silveira ???
>
> I guess I've not really read marriages.  There's a lot there I don't
> know.
>
> thx
> Liz
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Villages Online Now - Azorean Gravestone Project

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary the one I uploaded is less then half the quality of the big ones I have 
scanned... That one was shrunk for space. I just sent you an email with the 
good scan of SJ.
I have had these a while, but just got permission to use them like this because 
copyright has not been renewed.,
Jeremy




  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] more help

[Elizabeth Migliori]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P61.html

Ok I just plain don't get this one.
Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa and Maria Rosa is the legitimate daughter
of Antonio Silveira and Maria Rosa???

there is some scribble after Antonio Silveira???

does it happen to say that he was married to someone before? or how old
either of them are?

I think a witness was Joao Silveira ???

I guess I've not really read marriages.  There's a lot there I don't
know.

thx
Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translate Obit

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, 62 or so.
In the left column, under the name of Antonio, it says "solteiro" although
it looks almost like "falteiro." Single man, not married. Also in the
document, it says he doesn't have children. Or he had them, he never owned
up to it publicly.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> Ok so double s is 60 so 62  so he was born 1827?  Does it say who he was
> married to or if he was.  I only see parents names
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> The double "s" looks like our handwritten "fs". The handwriting looks
>> like: sefsenta. You can see how the "t" is crossed at the end of the word.
>>
>> I've given you the clues, now I'm going to let you take a guess.  Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-
>>> CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.html
>>>
>>> Antonio # 7 left side
>>> can someone tell me how old he is.  I can't tell if that's Sessenta or
>>> Setenta
>>>
>>> thx
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translate Obit

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Ok so double s is 60 so 62  so he was born 1827?  Does it say who he was
married to or if he was.  I only see parents names

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> The double "s" looks like our handwritten "fs". The handwriting looks
> like: sefsenta. You can see how the "t" is crossed at the end of the word.
>
> I've given you the clues, now I'm going to let you take a guess.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-
>> CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.html
>>
>> Antonio # 7 left side
>> can someone tell me how old he is.  I can't tell if that's Sessenta or
>> Setenta
>>
>> thx
>> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] trans obit

[Elizabeth Migliori]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1833-1845/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1833-1845_item1/P23.html

Maria Rosa Middle right sidewhat or why does it say Dec 4, 1868 at the
end of her notice?

Is her death Nov 22, 1836?  and she was 50 yrs old

thx
Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ST. Francis dress at burials

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Your ancestors were members of the Franciscan Third Order, known today as Lay 
Franciscans. They still exist today, even in the US, and many still opt to take 
the brown robe to the grave. There are other lay orders whose members wear 
their distinctive habbits to the grave.
John Miranda Raposo
 

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 2:33 PM, Gordon Soares  
wrote:
 

 Does anyone know the significance of the deceased being buried in the habit of 
St. Francis? I have several documents of my ancestors being buried with the 
sacraments and requesting that they be buried in the “habit of St. Francis” and 
then being carried to the grave with the priests and followed by the Friars of 
St. Francis. 

Gordon Soares

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Monte de Baixo, in Candelária?

[Kathy Cardoza]

Thank you, Mary! That’s a big help.Very interesting database!  Now to just find 
it on a map, lol.

Kathy
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> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
> 
> Well, there is a location in the postal code list by that name:
> 
> http://m.prt.postcodelist.com/region/Candel-ria_4v.html 
> 
> 
> (I'm having fun with the postal code list today!)
> 
> Mary
> 
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:35 AM Kathy Cardoza  > wrote:
> My 2nd great grandfather, Joao de Andrade de Macedo, according to his obito, 
> died in Monte de Baixo, in Candelária, (as did his wife). I have searched 
> maps and cannot find this. Is it a road, a neighborhood, or what? Anyone know?
> 
> Kathy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translate Obit

[Cheri Mello]

The double "s" looks like our handwritten "fs". The handwriting looks like:
sefsenta. You can see how the "t" is crossed at the end of the word.

I've given you the clues, now I'm going to let you take a guess.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-
> HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.html
>
> Antonio # 7 left side
> can someone tell me how old he is.  I can't tell if that's Sessenta or
> Setenta
>
> thx
> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translate Obit

[Elizabeth Migliori]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.html

Antonio # 7 left side
can someone tell me how old he is.  I can't tell if that's Sessenta or
Setenta

thx
Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First Identified DNA Match

[Cheri Mello]

The Parental Matching is a tool to help you split your match list into
paternal and maternal matches. If that's not of use to you, then no need to
identify who is who or to link them.

Hopefully most people will get into doing the Parental Matching so FTDNA
can use the statistics to improve the range estimates, especially on
endogamous populations. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:13 AM, M. Stringer  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
>
>
> That was fast.  Thanks.  That puts my ‘lowish’ numbers in a reasonable
> framework.
>
>
>
> OK.  Forgot that the numbers go down in a pattern per the generations.
> Given the similar (and changing) names I see (or think I see) some
> potential for interfamily relationships.
>
>
>
> I have a direct-line tree on FTDNA (re-keyed all in the one on the site).
> I’d be OK with participating in an ‘all in one ish’ tree if it was a
> separate item, but want to keep the ‘working’ tree more trimmed  – too
> visually confusing. Wished they left the prior system in place.  Meanwhile,
> I add direct line others to my master tree
>
>
>
> I was stuck for some while with the lack of typical name patterns and
> making no progress.  Here’s how I broke through the block:
>
>
>
> Visual Aids (to ‘see’ and ‘sort’ the various spellings)
>
> Created an Excel chart in which I entered each event entry name on a
> separate line
>
> Ref
>
> Event
>
> First Name
>
> Middle Name
>
> Last Name
>
> Location Name
>
> Notes
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
> Jose
>
> Francisco
>
> Dutra
>
>
>
> 5 Feb 1844, Conceicao, Terceira,  Groom
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
> Jose
>
> Antonio
>
> Dutra
>
>
>
> f/o Jose Francisco; Piedade, Pico Island
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
> Rita
>
> Candida
>
>
>
>
>
> m/o Jose Francisco
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
> Bernarda
>
> Candida
>
>
>
>
>
> 5 Feb 1844, Conceicao, Terceira,  Bride
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
> Jose
>
>
>
> Silveira
>
>
>
> f/o Bernarda; Piedade, Pico Island
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
> Bernarda
>
> Mariana
>
>
>
>
>
> m/o Bernarda;
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
> Antonio
>
> Leonardo Pires
>
> Toste
>
>
>
> witness, married
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
> Jose
>
> Antonio
>
> Coelho
>
>
>
> witness, married
>
>
>
> On a separate page, sorted to see the variant entries (edited my file from
> Candida to da Conceicao)
>
> Ref
>
> Event
>
> Location Name
>
> First Name
>
> Middle Name
>
> Last Name
>
> Notes
>
> Rep1, #8
>
> Bap Jose Machado
>
>
>
> Rita
>
> Candida
>
>
>
> mo Jose Francisco
>
> Rep2, #1
>
> Bap Elisia
>
>
>
> Rita
>
> da Conceicao
>
>
>
> mo Jose Francisco
>
> Rep2, #2
>
> Bap Manoel
>
>
>
> Rita
>
> da Conceicao
>
>
>
> mo Jose Francisco
>
> Rep4, #3
>
> M Jose + Bernarda
>
>
>
> Rita
>
> Candida
>
>
>
> m/o Jose Francisco
>
> Rep5, #1
>
> B Jose Francisco Dutra
>
>
>
> Rita
>
> da Conceicao
>
>
>
> mo Jose, native of Lajes, Pico Island
>
> Rep5, #2
>
> M AntonioDutra Rita
>
>
>
> Rita
>
> da Conceicao
>
>
>
> 19Feb1819, Lajes, Pico Island, Bride
>
> Rep5, #4
>
> D Rita da Conceicao
>
>
>
> Rita
>
> da Conceicao
>
>
>
> D 24Sep1876, house in Silveira, Lajes, Pico Island; 77, housewife
>
>
>
> Created a sub-section to collect unidentified godparents and witnesses.
> Pretty sure some/several will turn out to be extended families.
>
>
>
> XMatch Chart
>
> Printed the Fan Chart option you suggested, as available in Family
> TreeMaker: 6gen; 6 pages; big circle vs fan diagrams on DNA sites
>
>
>
> Decided to play with an ancestry chart, using my grandmother as the
> starting person.
>
> The result is a  simpler visual – much easier on the eyes;
> straight/aligned chart; 6gen from her vs me; 3 pages;
>
> Outlined the XMatch people per the diagrams
>
>
>
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
>
> strin...@mstringer.net
>
>
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:09 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First Identified DNA Match
>
>
>
> If you are 3C1R on paper, yes, a 55 cM block does support that.
>
> X matches need to be 10 cM or more. Otherwise, it's too far back. You
> share 5.3 cMs with Pat on the X. So don't bother trying to figure that one
> out.
>
> You need get Pat's lineage into your tree and upload a new Gedcom to
> FTDNA. Link Pat. Although the Parental Matching only goes to 3C right now,
> you'll have the 3C1R there ready to go when they expand the Parental
> Matching beyond the 3C level.
>
> Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Cheri Mello]

In Ponta Delgada, the main city on Sao Miguel, I've seen street signs with
both the old and new names. Don't know about smaller freguesias and smaller
islands.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Donald Vasconcelos 
wrote:

> Ken,
> My cousin is currently in Terceira, and he is going over to Graciosa next
> week. I will ask him to pick up a street map of the island for you. He
> knows Graciosa very well since he has been going there since he was 8. He
> is now in his 40's.
> My e-mail is dfvasc...@gmail.com
> Don Vasconcelos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:04 AM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>
> Don't be surprised if the street name is changed or is no longer there.
>
> "E"
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Donald Vasconcelos]

Ken,
My cousin is currently in Terceira, and he is going over to Graciosa next week. 
I will ask him to pick up a street map of the island for you. He knows Graciosa 
very well since he has been going there since he was 8. He is now in his 40's.
My e-mail is dfvasc...@gmail.com
Don Vasconcelos 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:04 AM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> Don't be surprised if the street name is changed or is no longer there. 
> 
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Monte de Baixo, in Candelária?

[Mary Bordi]

Well, there is a location in the postal code list by that name:

http://m.prt.postcodelist.com/region/Candel-ria_4v.html

(I'm having fun with the postal code list today!)

Mary

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:35 AM Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> My 2nd great grandfather, Joao de Andrade de Macedo, according to his
> obito, died in Monte de Baixo, in Candelária, (as did his wife). I have
> searched maps and cannot find this. Is it a road, a neighborhood, or what?
> Anyone know?
>
> Kathy
> ~~~
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> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>
> Climb my Family Tree:
> http://www.kathys-place.com/Kathy/index.php
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] First Identified DNA Match

[M. Stringer]

Hi Cheri,



That was fast.  Thanks.  That puts my ‘lowish’ numbers in a reasonable
framework.



OK.  Forgot that the numbers go down in a pattern per the generations.
Given the similar (and changing) names I see (or think I see) some
potential for interfamily relationships.



I have a direct-line tree on FTDNA (re-keyed all in the one on the site).
I’d be OK with participating in an ‘all in one ish’ tree if it was a
separate item, but want to keep the ‘working’ tree more trimmed  – too
visually confusing. Wished they left the prior system in place.  Meanwhile,
I add direct line others to my master tree



I was stuck for some while with the lack of typical name patterns and
making no progress.  Here’s how I broke through the block:



Visual Aids (to ‘see’ and ‘sort’ the various spellings)

Created an Excel chart in which I entered each event entry name on a
separate line

Ref

Event

First Name

Middle Name

Last Name

Location Name

Notes

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda

Jose

Francisco

Dutra



5 Feb 1844, Conceicao, Terceira,  Groom

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda

Jose

Antonio

Dutra



f/o Jose Francisco; Piedade, Pico Island

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda

Rita

Candida





m/o Jose Francisco

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda

Bernarda

Candida





5 Feb 1844, Conceicao, Terceira,  Bride

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda

Jose



Silveira



f/o Bernarda; Piedade, Pico Island

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda

Bernarda

Mariana





m/o Bernarda;

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda

Antonio

Leonardo Pires

Toste



witness, married

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda

Jose

Antonio

Coelho



witness, married



On a separate page, sorted to see the variant entries (edited my file from
Candida to da Conceicao)

Ref

Event

Location Name

First Name

Middle Name

Last Name

Notes

Rep1, #8

Bap Jose Machado



Rita

Candida



mo Jose Francisco

Rep2, #1

Bap Elisia



Rita

da Conceicao



mo Jose Francisco

Rep2, #2

Bap Manoel



Rita

da Conceicao



mo Jose Francisco

Rep4, #3

M Jose + Bernarda



Rita

Candida



m/o Jose Francisco

Rep5, #1

B Jose Francisco Dutra



Rita

da Conceicao



mo Jose, native of Lajes, Pico Island

Rep5, #2

M AntonioDutra Rita



Rita

da Conceicao



19Feb1819, Lajes, Pico Island, Bride

Rep5, #4

D Rita da Conceicao



Rita

da Conceicao



D 24Sep1876, house in Silveira, Lajes, Pico Island; 77, housewife



Created a sub-section to collect unidentified godparents and witnesses.
Pretty sure some/several will turn out to be extended families.



XMatch Chart

Printed the Fan Chart option you suggested, as available in Family
TreeMaker: 6gen; 6 pages; big circle vs fan diagrams on DNA sites



Decided to play with an ancestry chart, using my grandmother as the
starting person.

The result is a  simpler visual – much easier on the eyes; straight/aligned
chart; 6gen from her vs me; 3 pages;

Outlined the XMatch people per the diagrams





Marsha Stringer

strin...@mstringer.net


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If you are 3C1R on paper, yes, a 55 cM block does support that.

X matches need to be 10 cM or more. Otherwise, it's too far back. You share
5.3 cMs with Pat on the X. So don't bother trying to figure that one out.

You need get Pat's lineage into your tree and upload a new Gedcom to FTDNA.
Link Pat. Although the Parental Matching only goes to 3C right now, you'll
have the 3C1R there ready to go when they expand the Parental Matching
beyond the 3C level.

Cheri


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Mary Bordi]

This isn't a map but it's a list of streets and postal codes for Graciosa.
Not sure if all streets are there. It has been interesting for me to browse
my Sao Jorge communities so it might be interesting for you to look at
Graciosa.


http://m.prt.postcodelist.com/region/Santa-Cruz-da-Graciosa_3.html

Mary

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:44 AM Ken Waters  wrote:

Hi Susan,

Wow, I didn't know about that.  Thank you so much for catching that.  Does
anybody on the list know where I can get a good map of Graciosa that would
include street names?  Google Maps only labels no more than 5-10% of the
streets for the island.  There must be a better map somewhere---something
like the maps I saw with that grave-marking website that was recently
mentioned on this list but unfortunately only had 4 of the islands on it
and didn't include Graciosa.  I did try Google but pretty much any websites
I found just ended up embedding Google Maps in there anyway which takes me
back to the same problem.

Maybe somebody has access to such a map and could possibly identify how to
find it in Google Maps?

Thanks,

Ken

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:48 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi Ken,

I think you have made some great decisions and are making wonderful
progress!  Sorry to scare you off of SATA but I have a feeling that the
flight that you take from Terceira to Graciosa might be with SATA? I really
am no expert at all, but I want to reassure you, if it is, that those inter
island flights on SATA were very good!  The long flights to and from the US
were the ones that with which we have had all the problems.

Really good idea to just try to have quality time on Graciosa!  I took a
look at some of your records and just wanted to make sure you saw that they
give the actual street on which your grandfather was born. Caminho das
Fontes!  Maybe you will get even more clues in these records but this is a
wonderful bit of information. You can certainly find that street and know
you are walking in the footsteps of your ancestors!!

Very excited for you!

Susan Vargas Murphy

On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Ken Waters  wrote:

All,

Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my comments
and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many individual
posts on the list.

Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may
be a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA"
t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)

As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa
(changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the
ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service
can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a
week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a
schedule.  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the
Lisbon-Graciosa flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I
love the idea of taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.

I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus multiple
islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and so I think
I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one should be
the one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family searching.
That will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture as well as
search for my possible da Silva relations in person and in records.

I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of facilities
that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think I will
attempt to use one of them for the stay.

Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent
promising notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue
Q, and Don.  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing
some more pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better
chance of success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a
website (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/) to help me
keep track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got 4
more that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for
now) and add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my
digital image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific
page to facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I
hope to have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna
Epps for finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the
time to find.  Here is the family group that I'm referring to:

PARENTS

Manuel da Silva, born 9 Oct 1806, Santa Cruz
Louisa Candida, born 23 Jan 1799, Santa Cruz
MARRIAGE: 9 Sept 1827, Santa Cruz

CHILDREN

Maria da Silva, born 21 June 1828, Santa Cruz
Francisco da 

[AZORES-Genealogy] azores currencies

[Gordon Soares]

In many of the documents of burials for my ancestors I see the 
following: “she was buried in the church of Lajes and it will be paid 8 VINTENS 
for the grave”. Likewise. “He didn’t make a will and there will be 200 reis 
paid for the grave.”  Also, In her will she determined she wanted 30 masses for 
her soul, 10 masses for her intention and half a ceremony. She was buried at 
the church and lit will be paid 8 ViNTENS ‘for the grave”. What is meant by 
“half-a ceremony? and what is meant by 10 masses for her INTENTION? Finally, “ 
He didn’t make a will and was buried in the church of Ladies. It will be paid 2 
TOSTOES FOR HIS SOUL. Does anyone know the current values of a reis, vintner or 
tostoes?

Was it fact or fiction that anyone baptized as Maria (or a variation of Mary) 
or Joseph the baptism was free?

Gordon

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Villages Online Now - Azorean Gravestone Project

[Mary Bordi]

Wow, beautifully detailed map! I have been looking for one like that of Sao
Jorge. I saw one on display when I visited 10 years ago but was unable to
buy one at the time.

Mary


On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:46 PM 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> CEMETERY MAP FINDER:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/azoreangravestones/interactive-mappin
> g
>
> *NEW Detailed CENTRAL ISLAND MAP CLICK HERE
> *
> *(NOT VIEWABLE FOR MEMBERS OUTSIDE THIS GROUP - CANNOT BE ACCESSED FROM
> MAIN PAGE)*
>
> *,*
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> *JEREMY*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[E. Sharp]

Don't be surprised if the street name is changed or is no longer there. 

"E"

Sent from my iphone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Villages Online Now - Azorean Gravestone Project

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

This map is from the early 1980's.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Cheri Mello wrote:   
After 1954 or so. Faial had that eruption that made it the shape it is today.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

Jeremy 
Do you know the date this map was made? I am curious because it includes an 
area of Sao Jorge the was supposed to have fallen off into the ocean.
Thanks Marilyn 
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:43 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
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CEMETERY MAP FINDER:
https://sites.google.com/site/ azoreangravestones/interactive -mapping
NEW Detailed CENTRAL ISLAND MAP CLICK HERE(NOT VIEWABLE FOR MEMBERS OUTSIDE 
THIS GROUP - CANNOT BE ACCESSED FROM MAIN PAGE)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Ken Waters]

Hi Susan,

Wow, I didn't know about that.  Thank you so much for catching that.  Does
anybody on the list know where I can get a good map of Graciosa that would
include street names?  Google Maps only labels no more than 5-10% of the
streets for the island.  There must be a better map somewhere---something
like the maps I saw with that grave-marking website that was recently
mentioned on this list but unfortunately only had 4 of the islands on it
and didn't include Graciosa.  I did try Google but pretty much any websites
I found just ended up embedding Google Maps in there anyway which takes me
back to the same problem.

Maybe somebody has access to such a map and could possibly identify how to
find it in Google Maps?

Thanks,

Ken

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:48 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> I think you have made some great decisions and are making wonderful
> progress!  Sorry to scare you off of SATA but I have a feeling that the
> flight that you take from Terceira to Graciosa might be with SATA? I really
> am no expert at all, but I want to reassure you, if it is, that those inter
> island flights on SATA were very good!  The long flights to and from the US
> were the ones that with which we have had all the problems.
>
> Really good idea to just try to have quality time on Graciosa!  I took a
> look at some of your records and just wanted to make sure you saw that they
> give the actual street on which your grandfather was born. Caminho das
> Fontes!  Maybe you will get even more clues in these records but this is a
> wonderful bit of information. You can certainly find that street and know
> you are walking in the footsteps of your ancestors!!
>
> Very excited for you!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Ken Waters  wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my
> comments and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many
> individual posts on the list.
>
> Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may
> be a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA"
> t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)
>
> As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa
> (changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the
> ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service
> can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a
> week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a
> schedule.  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the
> Lisbon-Graciosa flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I
> love the idea of taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.
>
> I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus multiple
> islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and so I think
> I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one should be
> the one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family searching.
> That will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture as well as
> search for my possible da Silva relations in person and in records.
>
> I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of facilities
> that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think I will
> attempt to use one of them for the stay.
>
> Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent
> promising notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue
> Q, and Don.  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing
> some more pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better
> chance of success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a
> website (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/) to help
> me keep track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got
> 4 more that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for
> now) and add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my
> digital image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific
> page to facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I
> hope to have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna
> Epps for finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the
> time to find.  Here is the family group that I'm referring to:
>
> PARENTS
>
> Manuel da Silva, born 9 Oct 1806, Santa Cruz
> Louisa Candida, born 23 Jan 1799, Santa Cruz
> MARRIAGE: 9 Sept 1827, Santa Cruz
>
> CHILDREN
>
> Maria da Silva, born 21 June 1828, Santa Cruz
> Francisco da Silva, born 24 Aug 1831, Guadalupe
> Manuel da Silva, born 10 Oct 1837, Guadalupe
> Rita da Silva, born 20 Feb 1841, Guadalupe
> Joao da Silva, born 6 Dec 1845, Guadalupe --> migrated to Yreka CA
>
>
> Joao da Silva is my great-grandfather.   Don 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First Identified DNA Match

[Cheri Mello]

If you are 3C1R on paper, yes, a 55 cM block does support that.

X matches need to be 10 cM or more. Otherwise, it's too far back. You share
5.3 cMs with Pat on the X. So don't bother trying to figure that one out.

You need get Pat's lineage into your tree and upload a new Gedcom to FTDNA.
Link Pat. Although the Parental Matching only goes to 3C right now, you'll
have the 3C1R there ready to go when they expand the Parental Matching
beyond the 3C level.
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:41 AM, M. Stringer  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Finally, an identified match – of course, with questions.  My FTDNA tree
> is updated, X-Match chart printed/colored, other visual aids created and
> now exploring others’ trees.
>
>
>
> The match is to Pat Nostrome (I think part of the project)?  Per FTDNA,
> the numbers are: 55 shared CM; 28 longest block; XMatch.  Per comparing our
> trees, I found a definite match to my 3xG grandparents, and think Pat and I
> are 3rd C, 1xR.  HOWEVER, this connection is not in the XMatch spectrum.
> More to be revealed?
>
>
>
> The match is to 1793 Antonio DUTRA of Lajes, Pico and his wife, abt 1799
> Rita da Conceico (died Lajes, Pico).  My line is their son, 1820 Jose
> Francisco DUTRA, b Lajes + his wife, 1826 Bernarda Candida, b Piedade.
> (Bernarda’s family offers some XMatch families to pursue).
>
>
>
> Jose and Bernarda married in Conceicao, Terceira, 1844, where they
> settled/raised their family.  Their son, 1850 Jose Machado DUTRA m 1855
> Maria do Carmo Pinheiro.  Her earlier family is fairly solid to Terceira.
>
>
>
> FamFinder and XMatch repeat checking:
>
> Verifying I should anticipate an ancestral range of b abt 200 years before
> me or matches?  Same general range for XMatch candidates?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
>
> strin...@mstringer.net
>
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] First Identified DNA Match

[M. Stringer]

Hi,



Finally, an identified match – of course, with questions.  My FTDNA tree is
updated, X-Match chart printed/colored, other visual aids created and now
exploring others’ trees.



The match is to Pat Nostrome (I think part of the project)?  Per FTDNA, the
numbers are: 55 shared CM; 28 longest block; XMatch.  Per comparing our
trees, I found a definite match to my 3xG grandparents, and think Pat and I
are 3rd C, 1xR.  HOWEVER, this connection is not in the XMatch spectrum.
More to be revealed?



The match is to 1793 Antonio DUTRA of Lajes, Pico and his wife, abt 1799
Rita da Conceico (died Lajes, Pico).  My line is their son, 1820 Jose
Francisco DUTRA, b Lajes + his wife, 1826 Bernarda Candida, b Piedade.
(Bernarda’s family offers some XMatch families to pursue).



Jose and Bernarda married in Conceicao, Terceira, 1844, where they
settled/raised their family.  Their son, 1850 Jose Machado DUTRA m 1855
Maria do Carmo Pinheiro.  Her earlier family is fairly solid to Terceira.



FamFinder and XMatch repeat checking:

Verifying I should anticipate an ancestral range of b abt 200 years before
me or matches?  Same general range for XMatch candidates?



Cheers,







Marsha Stringer

strin...@mstringer.net

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Cheri Mello]

The archives that holds the records for Graciosa is in Angra, on Terceira
(they hold Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge islands). The dispensation for
all 9 islands are in Angra (since Angra is the Diocese seat).

I seem to remember all inter-island flights are SATA.

 After thinking about my experices with SATA, I do remember them leaving a
message for me and I went into their office in Ponta Delgada and they told
me they changed my flight home. It was a few hours different. I think they
told me this a couple of days in advance. Only other thing I clearly
remember is they were very slow with getting the bags off the plane and to
baggage claim. However, this was 10 years ago.

Good luck! Cheri

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> You may be able to look on Google Earth to find the street before you go.
> I remember Joao showing us his home on the island using it. Just a thought.
>
> I hope you have a great trip and find what you want to.
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:48 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> I think you have made some great decisions and are making wonderful
>> progress!  Sorry to scare you off of SATA but I have a feeling that the
>> flight that you take from Terceira to Graciosa might be with SATA? I really
>> am no expert at all, but I want to reassure you, if it is, that those inter
>> island flights on SATA were very good!  The long flights to and from the US
>> were the ones that with which we have had all the problems.
>>
>> Really good idea to just try to have quality time on Graciosa!  I took a
>> look at some of your records and just wanted to make sure you saw that they
>> give the actual street on which your grandfather was born. Caminho das
>> Fontes!  Maybe you will get even more clues in these records but this is a
>> wonderful bit of information. You can certainly find that street and know
>> you are walking in the footsteps of your ancestors!!
>>
>> Very excited for you!
>>
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Ken Waters  wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my
>> comments and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many
>> individual posts on the list.
>>
>> Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may
>> be a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA"
>> t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)
>>
>> As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa
>> (changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the
>> ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service
>> can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a
>> week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a
>> schedule.  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the
>> Lisbon-Graciosa flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I
>> love the idea of taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.
>>
>> I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus
>> multiple islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and
>> so I think I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one
>> should be the one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family
>> searching.  That will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture
>> as well as search for my possible da Silva relations in person and in
>> records.
>>
>> I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of
>> facilities that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think
>> I will attempt to use one of them for the stay.
>>
>> Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent
>> promising notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue
>> Q, and Don.  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing
>> some more pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better
>> chance of success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a
>> website (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/) to help
>> me keep track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got
>> 4 more that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for
>> now) and add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my
>> digital image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific
>> page to facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I
>> hope to have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna
>> Epps for finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the
>> time to find.  Here is the family group that I'm referring 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: UPEC membership file question

[Sami]

Thanks to everyone who answered. I really appreciate your explanations and 
have a better understanding now of how the records work! 

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 10:53:24 PM UTC-6, Sami wrote:
>
>  I am trying to find some ancestors and since this particular one farmed 
> in Concord with her husband, I thought I'd take a look at the membership 
> files for UPEC Concord. I have found two that could be my ancestor: #23 
> Emma Vargas, and #85 Inacia Emilia Vargas. Could someone please take a look 
> and tell me why these women are noted in this book, i.e. the significance 
> of the entry and any other pertinent information? Thanks so much!  
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn5xsv2h138r3pu/Concord__20.pdf?dl=0
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Monte de Baixo, in Candelária?

[Kathy Cardoza]

Oops! Candelaria, Pico.
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> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Where? On Sao Miguel?
> 
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Kathy Cardoza  > wrote:
> My 2nd great grandfather, Joao de Andrade de Macedo, according to his obito, 
> died in Monte de Baixo, in Candelária, (as did his wife). I have searched 
> maps and cannot find this. Is it a road, a neighborhood, or what? Anyone know?
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Monte de Baixo, in Candelária?

[Cheri Mello]

Where? On Sao Miguel?

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> My 2nd great grandfather, Joao de Andrade de Macedo, according to his
> obito, died in Monte de Baixo, in Candelária, (as did his wife). I have
> searched maps and cannot find this. Is it a road, a neighborhood, or what?
> Anyone know?
>
> Kathy
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> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Villages Online Now - Azorean Gravestone Project

[Cheri Mello]

After 1954 or so. Faial had that eruption that made it the shape it is
today.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> Jeremy
>
> Do you know the date this map was made? I am curious because it includes
> an area of Sao Jorge the was supposed to have fallen off into the ocean.
>
> Thanks
> Marilyn
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:43 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> CEMETERY MAP FINDER:
>>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/azoreangravestones/interactive-mappin
>> g
>>
>> *NEW Detailed CENTRAL ISLAND MAP CLICK HERE
>> *
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>> MAIN PAGE)*
>>
>> *,*
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Marilyn Thompson]

You may be able to look on Google Earth to find the street before you go. I
remember Joao showing us his home on the island using it. Just a thought.

I hope you have a great trip and find what you want to.

Marilyn

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:48 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> I think you have made some great decisions and are making wonderful
> progress!  Sorry to scare you off of SATA but I have a feeling that the
> flight that you take from Terceira to Graciosa might be with SATA? I really
> am no expert at all, but I want to reassure you, if it is, that those inter
> island flights on SATA were very good!  The long flights to and from the US
> were the ones that with which we have had all the problems.
>
> Really good idea to just try to have quality time on Graciosa!  I took a
> look at some of your records and just wanted to make sure you saw that they
> give the actual street on which your grandfather was born. Caminho das
> Fontes!  Maybe you will get even more clues in these records but this is a
> wonderful bit of information. You can certainly find that street and know
> you are walking in the footsteps of your ancestors!!
>
> Very excited for you!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Ken Waters  wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my
> comments and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many
> individual posts on the list.
>
> Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may
> be a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA"
> t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)
>
> As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa
> (changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the
> ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service
> can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a
> week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a
> schedule.  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the
> Lisbon-Graciosa flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I
> love the idea of taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.
>
> I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus multiple
> islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and so I think
> I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one should be
> the one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family searching.
> That will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture as well as
> search for my possible da Silva relations in person and in records.
>
> I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of facilities
> that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think I will
> attempt to use one of them for the stay.
>
> Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent
> promising notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue
> Q, and Don.  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing
> some more pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better
> chance of success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a
> website (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/) to help
> me keep track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got
> 4 more that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for
> now) and add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my
> digital image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific
> page to facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I
> hope to have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna
> Epps for finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the
> time to find.  Here is the family group that I'm referring to:
>
> PARENTS
>
> Manuel da Silva, born 9 Oct 1806, Santa Cruz
> Louisa Candida, born 23 Jan 1799, Santa Cruz
> MARRIAGE: 9 Sept 1827, Santa Cruz
>
> CHILDREN
>
> Maria da Silva, born 21 June 1828, Santa Cruz
> Francisco da Silva, born 24 Aug 1831, Guadalupe
> Manuel da Silva, born 10 Oct 1837, Guadalupe
> Rita da Silva, born 20 Feb 1841, Guadalupe
> Joao da Silva, born 6 Dec 1845, Guadalupe --> migrated to Yreka CA
>
>
> Joao da Silva is my great-grandfather.   Don Vasconcelos, if you are
> agreeable I might like to look up your relative there, particularly if you
> think she might be able to have some information that might help.  Do you
> know if she speaks any English?  As I gain more information going through
> these records including, hopefully, tie-ins to others who have Silva/da
> Silva's in Graciosa I will post them to the list.
>
> Again, thanks All for the great comments and suggestions!
>
> Ken
> --
> Amateur Genetic Genealogist in Mesa, AZ
> Twitter: @FamilyTreeAZ
> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Ken,

I think you have made some great decisions and are making wonderful progress!  
Sorry to scare you off of SATA but I have a feeling that the flight that you 
take from Terceira to Graciosa might be with SATA? I really am no expert at 
all, but I want to reassure you, if it is, that those inter island flights on 
SATA were very good!  The long flights to and from the US were the ones that 
with which we have had all the problems.

Really good idea to just try to have quality time on Graciosa!  I took a look 
at some of your records and just wanted to make sure you saw that they give the 
actual street on which your grandfather was born. Caminho das Fontes!  Maybe 
you will get even more clues in these records but this is a wonderful bit of 
information. You can certainly find that street and know you are walking in the 
footsteps of your ancestors!!

Very excited for you!

Susan Vargas Murphy

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:23 AM, Ken Waters  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my comments 
> and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many individual 
> posts on the list.
> 
> Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may be 
> a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA" 
> t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)
> 
> As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa 
> (changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the 
> ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service 
> can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a 
> week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a schedule. 
>  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the Lisbon-Graciosa 
> flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I love the idea of 
> taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.
> 
> I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus multiple 
> islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and so I think 
> I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one should be the 
> one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family searching.  That 
> will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture as well as search 
> for my possible da Silva relations in person and in records. 
> 
> I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of facilities 
> that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think I will 
> attempt to use one of them for the stay.
> 
> Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent promising 
> notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue Q, and Don. 
>  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing some more 
> pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better chance of 
> success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a website 
> (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/ 
> ) to help me keep 
> track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got 4 more 
> that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for now) and 
> add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my digital 
> image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific page to 
> facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I hope to 
> have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna Epps for 
> finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the time to find. 
>  Here is the family group that I'm referring to:
> 
> PARENTS
> 
> Manuel da Silva, born 9 Oct 1806, Santa Cruz
> Louisa Candida, born 23 Jan 1799, Santa Cruz
> MARRIAGE: 9 Sept 1827, Santa Cruz
> 
> CHILDREN
> 
> Maria da Silva, born 21 June 1828, Santa Cruz
> Francisco da Silva, born 24 Aug 1831, Guadalupe
> Manuel da Silva, born 10 Oct 1837, Guadalupe
> Rita da Silva, born 20 Feb 1841, Guadalupe
> Joao da Silva, born 6 Dec 1845, Guadalupe --> migrated to Yreka CA
>  
> Joao da Silva is my great-grandfather.   Don Vasconcelos, if you are 
> agreeable I might like to look up your relative there, particularly if you 
> think she might be able to have some information that might help.  Do you 
> know if she speaks any English?  As I gain more information going through 
> these records including, hopefully, tie-ins to others who have Silva/da 
> Silva's in Graciosa I will post them to the list.
> 
> Again, thanks All for the great comments and suggestions!
> 
> Ken
> -- 
> Amateur Genetic Genealogist in Mesa, AZ
> Twitter: @FamilyTreeAZ
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> Blog: familytreeAZ.com
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Monte de Baixo, in Candelária?

[Kathy Cardoza]

My 2nd great grandfather, Joao de Andrade de Macedo, according to his obito, 
died in Monte de Baixo, in Candelária, (as did his wife). I have searched maps 
and cannot find this. Is it a road, a neighborhood, or what? Anyone know?

Kathy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Villages Online Now - Azorean Gravestone Project

[Marilyn Thompson]

Jeremy

Do you know the date this map was made? I am curious because it includes an
area of Sao Jorge the was supposed to have fallen off into the ocean.

Thanks
Marilyn

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:43 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
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> CEMETERY MAP FINDER:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/azoreangravestones/interactive-mappin
> g
>
> *NEW Detailed CENTRAL ISLAND MAP CLICK HERE
> *
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Visit (Graciosa -- da Silva) -- UPDATE

[Ken Waters]

All,

Thanks so much for the replies and suggestions.  I combined all my comments
and updates into one e-mail in order to avoid posting too many individual
posts on the list.

Given the comments I saw on SATA it sounds like using TAP as proposed may
be a good choice. I think I'd like to pass on getting the "I survived SATA"
t-shirt (and the experience).  :-)

As I mentioned I found $82 Lisbon-Terceira.  I found Lisbon-Graciosa
(changing in Terceira) for $144.  I like the idea of taking one of the
ferries but from what I saw online and comments found it seems the service
can be irregular.  Indeed, online it looked like service was only once a
week, particularly during the off-season and I couldn't even find a
schedule.  Given all that I feel it might be safer to look at the
Lisbon-Graciosa flights.  Perhaps a longer stay could involve the ferry (I
love the idea of taking a boat for the scenic aspect) but not this time.

I took seriously the comments about strategy regarding one versus multiple
islands.  I'm pretty locked into no more than 4 days maximum and so I think
I'd like to take the tack of doing one island well and that one should be
the one where I might have the biggest bang in terms of family searching.
That will allow enough time to thoroughly soak up the culture as well as
search for my possible da Silva relations in person and in records.

I did take a look at AirBNB and was pleased to find a couple of facilities
that look very promising and at very reasonable rates.  I think I will
attempt to use one of them for the stay.

Now, shifting to the da Silva line, I want to thank those who sent
promising notes about da Silva/Silva connections in Graciosa:  Leonard, Sue
Q, and Don.  I would like to follow up with each of you.  I plan on doing
some more pre-trip legwork (including CCA research) to give me a better
chance of success on the island.  Along those lines, I started building a
website (http://www.familytreeaz.com/Working/daSilva_Graciosa/) to help me
keep track of my da Silva family and the records found.  I've still got 4
more that I need to find (please disregard those placeholder links for
now) and add to the website but do have 4 on there now.  I included both my
digital image excerpts of each record as well as the link to the specific
page to facilitate better analysis (including others on the same page).  I
hope to have the missing 4 up there by this evening. Much thanks to Edna
Epps for finding these records that would have probably taken me 10x the
time to find.  Here is the family group that I'm referring to:

PARENTS

Manuel da Silva, born 9 Oct 1806, Santa Cruz
Louisa Candida, born 23 Jan 1799, Santa Cruz
MARRIAGE: 9 Sept 1827, Santa Cruz

CHILDREN

Maria da Silva, born 21 June 1828, Santa Cruz
Francisco da Silva, born 24 Aug 1831, Guadalupe
Manuel da Silva, born 10 Oct 1837, Guadalupe
Rita da Silva, born 20 Feb 1841, Guadalupe
Joao da Silva, born 6 Dec 1845, Guadalupe --> migrated to Yreka CA


Joao da Silva is my great-grandfather.   Don Vasconcelos, if you are
agreeable I might like to look up your relative there, particularly if you
think she might be able to have some information that might help.  Do you
know if she speaks any English?  As I gain more information going through
these records including, hopefully, tie-ins to others who have Silva/da
Silva's in Graciosa I will post them to the list.

Again, thanks All for the great comments and suggestions!

Ken
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