Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel, of Faja Grande, Flores - need help deciphering a phrase

[John Vasconcelos]

*Not only have I been there, but I have ancestors from there, my 4th
ggparents, Andre de Freitas and Luzia Rois (Rodrigues). They are end of
line so I can only estimate their dob but their daughter, isabel de
Freitas, was married in 1743 So I would estimate that they would have been
born in the early 1700s. *

*The village of Quada ( It's located between Faja Grande and Fajazinha) was
abandoned in the 60's but has since been converted into a resort. We have
stayed ther a couple of times and it's really great.Goggle it!*
*What is even more interesting is that I might related to "Senador Andre de
Freitas", a local political figure from the early 20th century, who
eventually became govenor of the Horta District. When I asked The managers
at "Aldeia da Cuada" (modern spelling)  which house belonged to Andre de
Freitas, they pointed out a house that was in ruins but was plastered
inside and out, the only house in Quada that was, indicating to me that the
original owner had been a person of means.*

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, lugar (modern spelling) da Quada. More of a neighborhood, I think.
> John Vasconcelos of this list has been there. Cheri
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

[Rich Mueller]

Cheri – another example of your incredible value to this group and to the 
entire genealogy community.  We all have connections to other ancestries (I am 
Heinz57) so this is helpful on so many levels. Mahalo Nui loa!!

 

E malama pono

Rich

“Each morning we are born again.  What we do today is what matters most." 
~Buddha 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Bordi
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 12:49 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

 

That was great Cheri!

Mary

 

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:52 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:

Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  

 

Sam (Camas, WA)

 

From: Cheri Mello  
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:15 AM
To: Azores Genealogy  ; 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

 

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)

Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:
Inline image 1Inline image 2Inline image 3

Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a 
question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans down 
and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's jeans at 
Sears. 

The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store cannot 
answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all sell Levi's 
jeans.

Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated clothes 
that others have purchased from many department stores such as Sears, J.C. 
Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you ruined 5 years ago. 
It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But you have a question. 
Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold exclusively at Penney's, you 
drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a question about your favorite shirt 
that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.

And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.

The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual 
brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list 
readers.

Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an Internet 
presence). The main 3 players currently are:
Inline image 4Inline image 5Inline image 6

These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and Me, all 
sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's jeans. 

Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the other 2 
stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store clerks" called 
administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to answer questions about 
the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you purchased a DNA test at 
AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question about it. Or about 23 and 
Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but going over to Macy's to ask the 
clerk a question.

Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called 
GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing 
companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from 
Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are not 
going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to ask a 
question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin to help 
you with GedMatch questions and problems.

The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12 years 
ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer. I spend 
anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't publicly 
see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own personal 
results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test with another 
testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to help you with 
your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears and asking the 
Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.

Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So if you 
want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.

 

Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work at 
more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies and are 
willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do, many do 
charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do as a 
volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across companies 
and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.

 

Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.




Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

[Mary Bordi]

That was great Cheri!

Mary

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:52 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Friday, June 23, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy ;
> madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; islandrou...@googlegroups.com
>
>
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy
>
>
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:
> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2][image: Inline image 3]
>
> Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a
> question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans
> down and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's
> jeans at Sears.
>
> The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store
> cannot answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all
> sell Levi's jeans.
>
> Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated
> clothes that others have purchased from many department stores such as
> Sears, J.C. Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you
> ruined 5 years ago. It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But
> you have a question. Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold
> exclusively at Penney's, you drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a
> question about your favorite shirt that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.
>
> And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.
>
> The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual
> brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list
> readers.
>
> Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an
> Internet presence). The main 3 players currently are:
> [image: Inline image 4][image: Inline image 5][image: Inline image 6]
>
> These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and
> Me, all sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's
> jeans.
>
> Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the
> other 2 stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store
> clerks" called administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to
> answer questions about the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you
> purchased a DNA test at AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question
> about it. Or about 23 and Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but
> going over to Macy's to ask the clerk a question.
>
> Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called
> GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing
> companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from
> Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are
> not going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to
> ask a question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin
> to help you with GedMatch questions and problems.
>
> The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12
> years ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer.
> I spend anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't
> publicly see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own
> personal results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test
> with another testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to
> help you with your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears
> and asking the Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.
>
> Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So
> if you want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.
>
>
>
> Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work
> at more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies
> and are willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do,
> many do charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do
> as a volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across
> companies and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.
>
>
>
> Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.
>
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel, of Faja Grande, Flores - need help deciphering a phrase

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, lugar (modern spelling) da Quada. More of a neighborhood, I think.
John Vasconcelos of this list has been there. Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Pimentel, of Faja Grande, Flores - need help deciphering a phrase

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889/FLR-LF-FAJAGRANDE-B-1861-1889_item1/P132.html

#44, bottom of right hand page, 5th and 6th line down.

Can anyone make out what it says after "he was born"?  Looks like "no 
logar da Quada", of this freguesia.  

I think I have the rest translated correctly, but if you see any errors 
please let me know?  Thanks everyone!

*On 9 DEC 1870, in the Church of San Jose, Faja Grande, Flores,*

*I baptized a male and gave him the name Manoel.  *

*Born ? of this freguesia on 7 Dec 1870.*

*Legitimate son of Francisco Sebastiao Pimentel, Laborer, of Fajazinha, and*

*Maria Frietas, housewife, of this freguesia.*

*Paternal Grandparents are Sebastiao Pimentel and Anna Trindade*

*Maternal Grandparents are Jose (?) and Catherina de Freitas.*

*Godparents are Manoel (?) Sebastiao Pimentel, married, and Maria da 
Rozario, housewife.*

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What Family Tree DNA population group areAzoreans grouped in with?

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, it will vary among siblings. We inherit half of our parents and left
half on the table. So if your parents were half Portuguese, you could
inherit more or less Portuguese than your sibling. Those who are half
Italian and half Portuguese on this list have reported their sibling
attracting more Italian (or more Portuguese) matches than they do.

You just need to remember they are still ethnicity ESTIMATES and they
really are best at the continent level. They've only been around 7 years
and have a ways to go. And the ones from FTDNA? Discuss them at a cocktail
party. The latest version is "amusing."

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:57 AM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cheri;  It’s rather fascinating comparing the results of my brother and
> sister in the family finder results though, I’m not sure what to infer from
> the differences other than differing amounts of dna from different
> ancestors in each?  I hope I live long enough for these tests to give
> conclusive results!
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Friday, June 23, 2017 7:50 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What Family Tree DNA population group
> areAzoreans grouped in with?
>
>
>
> Resa,
>
> They won't be able to put a mapping zone over all the island regions of
> the world. Since we are Portuguese and Portugal is in on the Iberian
> Peninsula with Spain, we are *supposed* to show up Iberian (purple, I
> think), over Spain and Portugal. Generally, you can count the North African
> (categorized under Middle East) along with being Portuguese as well. I see
> some people get categorized as Southeast Europe (Italy and Greece). If you
> have no know Italian or Greece, you can count that in Portuguese as well (I
> think when FTDNA split Spain & Portugal from Italy & Greece, well, it
> doesn't quite read it right). A lot of Portuguese get West & Central Europe
> too. This may be from the Flemish, French and others that settled the
> Azores. I kinda think the problem of France gobbling up too much of Europe
> and over reaching in these ethnicity estimates is back. Also, the English
> were in the Azores too. So some people get British Isles in their
> estimates. And way back in time with the pirates and Vikings and whoever
> those types were that raided the islandssome people show up
> Scandinavian. Some people have trace amounts of Jewish. The Sephardic shows
> up with Iberian and the Ashkenazi shows up in East Europe. So some with
> Jewish ancestry can show East Europe.
>
> At this point, I think I've covered all of Europe. Because this new
> ethnicity estimate goes back hundreds or thousands of years, it's going to
> say you are from Europe. I don't find that helpful. But it's the way FTDNA
> redesigned their ethnicity estimates. Last version, they had only 25
> Portuguese samples. Those 25 are to cover all of Portugal, the Azores,
> Madeira, Brazil, Cape Verde. Those 25 aren't enough to predict all that.
> They need a larger sample size.
>
> If your only interest is the ethnicity estimates and not genealogy, I'd
> test with other companies too. If your interest is mainly genealogy, then
> FTDNA is great and has a lot of tools (and admins) to help you.
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What Family Tree DNA population group areAzoreans grouped in with?

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri;  It’s rather fascinating comparing the results of my brother and sister 
in the family finder results though, I’m not sure what to infer from the 
differences other than differing amounts of dna from different ancestors in 
each?  I hope I live long enough for these tests to give conclusive results!

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:50 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What Family Tree DNA population group 
areAzoreans grouped in with?

Resa,
They won't be able to put a mapping zone over all the island regions of the 
world. Since we are Portuguese and Portugal is in on the Iberian Peninsula with 
Spain, we are *supposed* to show up Iberian (purple, I think), over Spain and 
Portugal. Generally, you can count the North African (categorized under Middle 
East) along with being Portuguese as well. I see some people get categorized as 
Southeast Europe (Italy and Greece). If you have no know Italian or Greece, you 
can count that in Portuguese as well (I think when FTDNA split Spain & Portugal 
from Italy & Greece, well, it doesn't quite read it right). A lot of Portuguese 
get West & Central Europe too. This may be from the Flemish, French and others 
that settled the Azores. I kinda think the problem of France gobbling up too 
much of Europe and over reaching in these ethnicity estimates is back. Also, 
the English were in the Azores too. So some people get British Isles in their 
estimates. And way back in time with the pirates and Vikings and whoever those 
types were that raided the islandssome people show up Scandinavian. Some 
people have trace amounts of Jewish. The Sephardic shows up with Iberian and 
the Ashkenazi shows up in East Europe. So some with Jewish ancestry can show 
East Europe.
At this point, I think I've covered all of Europe. Because this new ethnicity 
estimate goes back hundreds or thousands of years, it's going to say you are 
from Europe. I don't find that helpful. But it's the way FTDNA redesigned their 
ethnicity estimates. Last version, they had only 25 Portuguese samples. Those 
25 are to cover all of Portugal, the Azores, Madeira, Brazil, Cape Verde. Those 
25 aren't enough to predict all that. They need a larger sample size.
If your only interest is the ethnicity estimates and not genealogy, I'd test 
with other companies too. If your interest is mainly genealogy, then FTDNA is 
great and has a lot of tools (and admins) to help you.
Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Pimental or Sousa Descendants

[Cheryle Dougherty]

Cheryl
Your family lived next to mine.  My great aunt and uncle, Honorio Pachaco
and Lucinda Isabell Arruda lived at 52 Ottawa. My aunt Mary and uncle
Nordie Silva (brother and sister) lived with them. I remember meeting your
great grandmother Alice when I was a little girl.  The one I'm most
familiar with was the daughter Alice Gonzales and her daughters Darlene and
Lindy.  I used to call them once or twice a year and mail letters.  About
2-3 years ago phone was disconnected and my letter came back. At time my
family was all gone. Alice and the girls were great to my and uncle.

My aunt Mary was terrible about throwing food out.  Alice would yell fresh
coffee when she would hear my voice in cellar.  She was a great cook.

Cheryle Dougherty

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Cheryl  wrote:

> Hello,
> I am new to genealogy and trying to find information about my
> greatgrandparents Fulgencio and Alice (Sousa) Rita/Pimental or Pimentel.
> Born 1888 and 1892 in Azores.  Living in Attleboro -50 Ottawa St. seems as
> though the entire section of Lonicut was all family members.  Sadly I do
> not know any brothers or sisters for either of them.  Any family members
> with info to share please respond.
>
> Cheryl
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with transcribing / translating Passport record

[Cheri Mello]

The "passaportes" for the 3 ports of the Azores (Ponta Delgada on Sao
Miguel island, Angra on Terceira island, and Horta on Faial island) are
housed on the CCA.

To see the range of years (and gaps) in the records, you can use Tombo.pt:
http://tombo.pt/d/acores (click on the British flag if you need to navigate
in English).

Each port did it their own way and the information asked changed over time
as well.

The original URL in the original post comes from the CCA. Whether or not
Giovanni used Tombo to navigate the CCA to find the record or he went
straight to the CCA to look for the record doesn't matter. He posted a
passaporte record. Those have been up for a few years now. There's nothing
new there.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:15 AM
To: Azores Genealogy; madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; 
islandrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:

Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a 
question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans down 
and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's jeans at 
Sears. 
The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store cannot 
answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all sell Levi's 
jeans.
Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated clothes 
that others have purchased from many department stores such as Sears, J.C. 
Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you ruined 5 years ago. 
It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But you have a question. 
Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold exclusively at Penney's, you 
drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a question about your favorite shirt 
that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.
And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.
The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual 
brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list 
readers.
Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an Internet 
presence). The main 3 players currently are:

These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and Me, all 
sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's jeans. 
Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the other 2 
stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store clerks" called 
administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to answer questions about 
the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you purchased a DNA test at 
AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question about it. Or about 23 and 
Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but going over to Macy's to ask the 
clerk a question.
Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called 
GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing 
companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from 
Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are not 
going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to ask a 
question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin to help 
you with GedMatch questions and problems.
The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12 years 
ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer. I spend 
anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't publicly 
see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own personal 
results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test with another 
testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to help you with 
your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears and asking the 
Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.
Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So if you 
want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.

Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work at 
more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies and are 
willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do, many do 
charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do as a 
volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across companies 
and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.

Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with transcribing / translating Passport record

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Is this MORE than those posted for Faial, Terceira, & Sao Miguel?Where did you find them?DeeSent from my Verizon 4G LTE Moto Z ForceOn 22 Jun 2017 11:36 pm, "'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy"  wrote:Woohoo!These must be relatively new ~ I don't remember seeing 18th century passports before! (though perhaps I just missed them.Off to hunting for me uncles who went to Brazil!,Jeremy 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Espinola/Candida/Picanso/Avila assistance requested.

[Donald Vasconcelos]

Try 1940 in Methuen and/or Lawrence, MA US Census.

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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> The most recent U.S. Census that can be searched is 1940. So from 1940 on 
> back. The 1950 won't be released until 72 years after it was taken, so 2022.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Donald Vasconcelos  
>> wrote:
>> Christopher,
>> I knew a Cathy Espinola from Methuen, MA back in the 50's-60's. I forget her 
>> father's name , but you could go to the 1950 US Census as a start.
>> There was also Anthony Espinola from Lawrence, MA whose mother was my baby 
>> sitter when I was a pre-schooler.
>> Don Vasconcelos
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 10:06 PM, JR  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry folks. Couple of errors in post.
>>> 
>>> 1) all references to Island should read Graciosa (like Guadalupe, Ilha 
>>> Graciosa) not Sao Jorge.
>>> 
>>> 2) Manoel was born March 3- 1868, not 1869, baptism is correct.
>>> 
 On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 11:12:18 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
 This is your lucky day.
 
  
 
 Ancestors of Manuel Jose Espinola
 
  
 
  
 
 Generation No. 1
 
  
 
 1.  Manuel Jose Espinola, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge. 
  He was the son of 2. Manuel Jose Espinola and 3. Maria Augusta do Coracao 
 de Jesus.  He married (1) Maria Candida.  She was born in NS da Guadalupe, 
 Ilha Sao Jorge.
 
  
 
 Notes for Manuel Jose Espinola:
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869_item1/P92.html
 
  
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869_item1/P93.html
 
  
 
 Two pages, above
 
 No- 23, Manoel, bap- April 13- 1868, born- March 3- 1869, 5 am, filho de 
 Manoel Jose Espinola, trabalhador and Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, 
 domestic, natives, received and parishioners of this freguesia living on 
 Caminho da Ribeirinha, netto paterno de Manoel Jose Espinola and Maria de 
 Sao Jose, and maternas, of Joao Correia Picanco and Maria Joaquina; 
 Padrinho- Manoel Jose da Cunha and Maria Joaquina do Coracao de Jesus, 
 casados.
 
  
 
 Generation No. 2
 
  
 
 2.  Manuel Jose Espinola, born Abt. 1843 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha 
 Sao Jorge.  He was the son of 4. Manuel Jose Espinola and 5. Maria de Sao 
 Jose.  He married 3. Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus 30 Sep 1867 in NS 
 da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
 
 3.  Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, born Abt. 1841 in NS da 
 Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.  She was the daughter of 6. Joao Correia 
 Picanco and 7. Maria Joaquina.
 
  
 
 Marriage Notes for Manuel Espinola and Maria:
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1860-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1860-1869_item1/P77.html
 
  
 
 Guadalupe, marriage No-8,
 
 Manuel Jose Espinola, 24 yrs old, [b. abt 1843], single, trabalhador, 
 native, baptised and living Guadalupe, filhode Manoel Jose Espinola and 
 Maria de Sam Joze, trabalhadors, natives of this fregusia, com, Maria 
 Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, 26 yrs old, [b. abt 1841] single, native and 
 baptised Guadalupe, filha de Joao Correa Picanco, lavradores, natives 
 Guadalupe.
 

 
 Child of Manuel Espinola and Maria is:
 
 1 i.Manuel Jose Espinola, born in NS da 
 Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Maria Candida.
 
  
 
  
 
 Generation No. 3
 
  
 
 4.  Manuel Jose Espinola, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge. 
  He married 5. Maria de Sao Jose.
 
 5.  Maria de Sao Jose, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
 

 
 Child of Manuel Espinola and Maria is:
 
 2 i.Manuel Jose Espinola, born Abt. 1843 in NS 
 da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus 30 
 Sep 1867 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
 
  
 
  
 
 6.  Joao Correia Picanco, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge. 
  He married 7. Maria Joaquina.
 
 7.  Maria Joaquina, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
 

 
 Child of Joao Picanco and Maria is:
 
 3 i.Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, born 
 Abt. 1841 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Manuel Jose Espinola 
 30 Sep 1867 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What Family Tree DNA population group are Azoreans grouped in with?

[Cheri Mello]

Resa,

They won't be able to put a mapping zone over all the island regions of the
world. Since we are Portuguese and Portugal is in on the Iberian Peninsula
with Spain, we are *supposed* to show up Iberian (purple, I think), over
Spain and Portugal. Generally, you can count the North African (categorized
under Middle East) along with being Portuguese as well. I see some people
get categorized as Southeast Europe (Italy and Greece). If you have no know
Italian or Greece, you can count that in Portuguese as well (I think when
FTDNA split Spain & Portugal from Italy & Greece, well, it doesn't quite
read it right). A lot of Portuguese get West & Central Europe too. This may
be from the Flemish, French and others that settled the Azores. I kinda
think the problem of France gobbling up too much of Europe and over
reaching in these ethnicity estimates is back. Also, the English were in
the Azores too. So some people get British Isles in their estimates. And
way back in time with the pirates and Vikings and whoever those types were
that raided the islandssome people show up Scandinavian. Some people
have trace amounts of Jewish. The Sephardic shows up with Iberian and the
Ashkenazi shows up in East Europe. So some with Jewish ancestry can show
East Europe.

At this point, I think I've covered all of Europe. Because this new
ethnicity estimate goes back hundreds or thousands of years, it's going to
say you are from Europe. I don't find that helpful. But it's the way FTDNA
redesigned their ethnicity estimates. Last version, they had only 25
Portuguese samples. Those 25 are to cover all of Portugal, the Azores,
Madeira, Brazil, Cape Verde. Those 25 aren't enough to predict all that.
They need a larger sample size.

If your only interest is the ethnicity estimates and not genealogy, I'd
test with other companies too. If your interest is mainly genealogy, then
FTDNA is great and has a lot of tools (and admins) to help you.

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

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[AZORES-Genealogy] What Family Tree DNA population group are Azoreans grouped in with?

[Resa Brum Congdon]

Hi there,
When looking at my Family Tree DNA Family Finder test results, I am wondering 
why I do not see a colorful area on the Origins map over the Azore Islands.  
Does anyone know what population group Azoreans are included in? British Isles? 
Iberian?
Thank you very much!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with transcribing / translating Passport record

[Cheri Mello]

They've been up a few years. Everything is listed on through Tombo.pt.
http://tombo.pt/d/acores (click on the British flag if you need English).

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:36 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Woohoo!
>>
>
> These must be relatively new ~ I don't remember seeing 18th century
> passports before! (though perhaps I just missed them.
>
> Off to hunting for me uncles who went to Brazil!
>
> ,
>
> Jeremy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with transcribing / translating Passport record

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

>
> Woohoo!
>

These must be relatively new ~ I don't remember seeing 18th century 
passports before! (though perhaps I just missed them.

Off to hunting for me uncles who went to Brazil!

,

Jeremy 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Espinola/Candida/Picanso/Avila assistance requested.

[Cheri Mello]

The most recent U.S. Census that can be searched is 1940. So from 1940 on
back. The 1950 won't be released until 72 years after it was taken, so 2022.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Donald Vasconcelos 
wrote:

> Christopher,
> I knew a Cathy Espinola from Methuen, MA back in the 50's-60's. I forget
> her father's name , but you could go to the 1950 US Census as a start.
> There was also Anthony Espinola from Lawrence, MA whose mother was my baby
> sitter when I was a pre-schooler.
> Don Vasconcelos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 10:06 PM, JR  wrote:
>
> Sorry folks. Couple of errors in post.
>
> 1) all references to Island should read Graciosa (like Guadalupe, Ilha
> Graciosa) not Sao Jorge.
>
> 2) Manoel was born March 3- 1868, not 1869, baptism is correct.
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 11:12:18 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>>
>> This is your lucky day.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Ancestors of Manuel Jose Espinola*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Generation No. 1*
>>
>>
>>
>> *1.*  *Manuel Jose Espinola,* born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao
>> Jorge.  He was the son of *2. Manuel Jose Espinola* and *3. Maria
>> Augusta do Coracao de Jesus*.  He married *(1) Maria Candida*.  She was
>> born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes for Manuel Jose Espinola:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869_item1/P92.html
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869_item1/P93.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Two pages, above
>>
>> No- 23, Manoel, bap- April 13- 1868, born- March 3- *1869*, 5 am, filho
>> de Manoel Jose Espinola, trabalhador and Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus,
>> domestic, natives, received and parishioners of this freguesia living on
>> Caminho da Ribeirinha, netto paterno de Manoel Jose Espinola and Maria de
>> Sao Jose, and maternas, of Joao Correia Picanco and Maria Joaquina;
>> Padrinho- Manoel Jose da Cunha and Maria Joaquina do Coracao de Jesus,
>> casados.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Generation No. 2*
>>
>>
>>
>> *2.*  *Manuel Jose Espinola,* born Abt. 1843 in NS da Guadalupe,
>> Ilha Sao Jorge.  He was the son of *4. Manuel Jose Espinola* and *5.
>> Maria de Sao Jose*.  He married *3. Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus* 30
>> Sep 1867 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>>
>> *3.*  *Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus,* born Abt. 1841 in NS
>> da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.  She was the daughter of *6. Joao Correia
>> Picanco* and *7. Maria Joaquina*.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marriage Notes for Manuel Espinola and Maria:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>> GUADALUPE-C-1860-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1860-1869_item1/P77.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Guadalupe, marriage No-8,
>>
>> Manuel Jose Espinola, 24 yrs old, [b. abt 1843], single, trabalhador,
>> native, baptised and living Guadalupe, filhode Manoel Jose Espinola and
>> Maria de Sam Joze, trabalhadors, natives of this fregusia, com, Maria
>> Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, 26 yrs old, [b. abt 1841] single, native and
>> baptised Guadalupe, filha de Joao Correa Picanco, lavradores, natives
>> Guadalupe.
>>
>>
>>
>> Child of Manuel Espinola and Maria is:
>>
>> 1 i.Manuel Jose Espinola, born in NS da
>> Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Maria Candida.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Generation No. 3*
>>
>>
>>
>> *4.*  *Manuel Jose Espinola,* born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao
>> Jorge.  He married *5. Maria de Sao Jose*.
>>
>> *5.*  *Maria de Sao Jose,* born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao
>> Jorge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Child of Manuel Espinola and Maria is:
>>
>> 2 i.Manuel Jose Espinola, born Abt. 1843 in
>> NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus
>> 30 Sep 1867 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *6.*  *Joao Correia Picanco,* born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao
>> Jorge.  He married *7. Maria Joaquina*.
>>
>> *7.*  *Maria Joaquina,* born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Child of Joao Picanco and Maria is:
>>
>> 3 i.Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, born
>> Abt. 1841 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Manuel Jose Espinola
>> 30 Sep 1867 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 10:57:11 AM UTC-4, Christopher4321 wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> Looking for a few of my ancestors from the Azores, I know that a few are
>>> from Graciosa but others I am less than positive.
>>>
>>> They are as follows
>>>
>>> Manuel Jose Espinola born Circa 1845, died prior to 1922 on Graciosa.
>>> Had a son also called Manuel Jose Espinola born 1869 on Graciosa, JR
>>> immigrated via Boston in 1885, settled in Methuen Mass.  I 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Espinola/Candida/Picanso/Avila assistance requested.

[Donald Vasconcelos]

Christopher,
I knew a Cathy Espinola from Methuen, MA back in the 50's-60's. I forget her 
father's name , but you could go to the 1950 US Census as a start.
There was also Anthony Espinola from Lawrence, MA whose mother was my baby 
sitter when I was a pre-schooler.
Don Vasconcelos

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 10:06 PM, JR  wrote:
> 
> Sorry folks. Couple of errors in post.
> 
> 1) all references to Island should read Graciosa (like Guadalupe, Ilha 
> Graciosa) not Sao Jorge.
> 
> 2) Manoel was born March 3- 1868, not 1869, baptism is correct.
> 
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 11:12:18 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>> This is your lucky day.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ancestors of Manuel Jose Espinola
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Generation No. 1
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 1.  Manuel Jose Espinola, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.  
>> He was the son of 2. Manuel Jose Espinola and 3. Maria Augusta do Coracao de 
>> Jesus.  He married (1) Maria Candida.  She was born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha 
>> Sao Jorge.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Notes for Manuel Jose Espinola:
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869_item1/P92.html
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1865-1869_item1/P93.html
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Two pages, above
>> 
>> No- 23, Manoel, bap- April 13- 1868, born- March 3- 1869, 5 am, filho de 
>> Manoel Jose Espinola, trabalhador and Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, 
>> domestic, natives, received and parishioners of this freguesia living on 
>> Caminho da Ribeirinha, netto paterno de Manoel Jose Espinola and Maria de 
>> Sao Jose, and maternas, of Joao Correia Picanco and Maria Joaquina; 
>> Padrinho- Manoel Jose da Cunha and Maria Joaquina do Coracao de Jesus, 
>> casados.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Generation No. 2
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 2.  Manuel Jose Espinola, born Abt. 1843 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha 
>> Sao Jorge.  He was the son of 4. Manuel Jose Espinola and 5. Maria de Sao 
>> Jose.  He married 3. Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus 30 Sep 1867 in NS da 
>> Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>> 
>> 3.  Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, born Abt. 1841 in NS da 
>> Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.  She was the daughter of 6. Joao Correia Picanco 
>> and 7. Maria Joaquina.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Marriage Notes for Manuel Espinola and Maria:
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1860-1869/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1860-1869_item1/P77.html
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Guadalupe, marriage No-8,
>> 
>> Manuel Jose Espinola, 24 yrs old, [b. abt 1843], single, trabalhador, 
>> native, baptised and living Guadalupe, filhode Manoel Jose Espinola and 
>> Maria de Sam Joze, trabalhadors, natives of this fregusia, com, Maria 
>> Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, 26 yrs old, [b. abt 1841] single, native and 
>> baptised Guadalupe, filha de Joao Correa Picanco, lavradores, natives 
>> Guadalupe.
>> 
>>
>> 
>> Child of Manuel Espinola and Maria is:
>> 
>> 1 i.Manuel Jose Espinola, born in NS da 
>> Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Maria Candida.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Generation No. 3
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 4.  Manuel Jose Espinola, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.  
>> He married 5. Maria de Sao Jose.
>> 
>> 5.  Maria de Sao Jose, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>> 
>>
>> 
>> Child of Manuel Espinola and Maria is:
>> 
>> 2 i.Manuel Jose Espinola, born Abt. 1843 in NS 
>> da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus 30 
>> Sep 1867 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 6.  Joao Correia Picanco, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.  
>> He married 7. Maria Joaquina.
>> 
>> 7.  Maria Joaquina, born in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>> 
>>
>> 
>> Child of Joao Picanco and Maria is:
>> 
>> 3 i.Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus, born Abt. 
>> 1841 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge; married Manuel Jose Espinola 30 Sep 
>> 1867 in NS da Guadalupe, Ilha Sao Jorge.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 10:57:11 AM UTC-4, Christopher4321 wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Looking for a few of my ancestors from the Azores, I know that a few are 
>>> from Graciosa but others I am less than positive.
>>> 
>>> They are as follows
>>> 
>>> Manuel Jose Espinola born Circa 1845, died prior to 1922 on Graciosa.  Had 
>>> a son also called Manuel Jose Espinola born 1869 on Graciosa, JR immigrated 
>>> via Boston in 1885, settled in Methuen Mass.  I have tons of info on the 
>>> JR, but am looking for his parents.
>>> 
>>> Manuel the JR, was married to a Maria Candida. She born 1871 in Portugal, 
>>> would be interested to see who her parents were as well. I am unable to 
>>> find a single trace of her in Portugal
>>> 
>>> The next is not a relation of the