Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pauas Name

[linda]

It would have popped out at you tomorrow :)

glad to have helped anyway,

 :D

L.


On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:40:08 PM UTC-7, Jeremy G. B-C: Researching 
Sao Jorge wrote:
>
> Wow! I cannot BELIEVE that I didn't think of that! Totally see it now! 
> Thank you so much Linda!
>
> J
>
>
>
> --
> On Monday, July 10, 2017, 9:28:15 PM PDT, linda  > wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> It must be "Pavão"
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:21:00 PM UTC-7, Jeremy G. B-C: Researching 
> Sao Jorge wrote:
>
> Hello! 
>
> Could someone please help me put with what on earth this name is?! Looks 
> like Pauas 
>
> Groom's name on the right document:
>
> Matheus Ferreira Pauas?
>
> http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR- 
> VL-MANADAS-C-1676-1723/SJR-VL- MANADAS-C-1676-1723_item1/P45. html 
> 
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jeremy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)

['Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao Jorge' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary,

Is this the Manuel that died in Cmbridge, MA in 1905?

This death cert???: 
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QJ3-X6K?cc=1463156

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pauas Name

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Wow! I cannot BELIEVE that I didn't think of that! Totally see it now! Thank 
you so much Linda!
J


On Monday, July 10, 2017, 9:28:15 PM PDT, linda  wrote:


Hi Jeremy,

It must be "Pavão"

:)

Linda


On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:21:00 PM UTC-7, Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao 
Jorge wrote:
Hello! 
Could someone please help me put with what on earth this name is?! Looks like 
Pauas 
Groom's name on the right document:
Matheus Ferreira Pauas?

http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR- 
VL-MANADAS-C-1676-1723/SJR-VL- MANADAS-C-1676-1723_item1/P45. html

Thank you,
Jeremy


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pauas Name

[linda]

Hi Jeremy,

It must be "Pavão"

:)

Linda


On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 9:21:00 PM UTC-7, Jeremy G. B-C: Researching 
Sao Jorge wrote:
>
> Hello! 
>
> Could someone please help me put with what on earth this name is?! Looks 
> like Pauas 
>
> Groom's name on the right document:
>
> Matheus Ferreira Pauas?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1676-1723/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1676-1723_item1/P45.html
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jeremy
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pauas Name

['Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao Jorge' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello! 

Could someone please help me put with what on earth this name is?! Looks 
like Pauas 

Groom's name on the right document:

Matheus Ferreira Pauas?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1676-1723/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1676-1723_item1/P45.html

Thank you,

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Writing

[JR]

"mudou o nome na crisma"; she changed her name at confirmation. I have seen 
this a few times.

JR

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 8:30:52 PM UTC-4, Sean Andrade wrote:
>
> Yes
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Florencia?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Sean Andrade  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Can anyone ready what it says in the margin on the left side next to 
>>> Francisca? 
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P61.html
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Sean
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Writing

[Sean Andrade]

Yes

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> Florencia?
>
> Cheri Mello
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> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can anyone ready what it says in the margin on the left side next to 
>> Francisca? 
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P61.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Writing

[Cheri Mello]

Florencia?

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Sean Andrade 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can anyone ready what it says in the margin on the left side next to
> Francisca? http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/
> biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-
> CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P61.html
>
> Thanks!
> Sean
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Writing

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Can anyone ready what it says in the margin on the left side next to 
Francisca? 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P61.html

Thanks!
Sean

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pedro Goncalves Barrantes and Maria Rodrigues

[doreencaetano]

I must have. I see that her husband Manuel de Avila was born 2/25/1664 in 
Agualva and her in 1606 in Biscoitos. Thanks for pointing that out and giving 
me an opportunity to correct my database.
 I checked the book that I got from Joao. It has Manuel de Avila born 2/25/1664 
in Agualva married Margarida Goncalves on 6/11/1699, Biscoitos, Terceira. They 
are my 4th Great Grandparents on my Berbereia side of the family. Margarida’s 
birth date came from an online tree that ties into my family tree, so 
Margarida’s birth date is not from Joao’s work but someone else’s. I email a 
relative that also had this in their posted tree. I’m removing it from my tree 
and asked them to removed it from theirs. I’m wondering if it is on my posted 
trees. If so I will need to check them and load new trees. I hate when I spread 
misinformation. Thanks for pointing this out. 

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From: 'Helen' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 3:58 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pedro Goncalves Barrantes and Maria Rodrigues

Doreen,  I have Margarida Goncalves as born in 1667.' And married in 1699.  Did 
you have a typo on her birth date of 1606?
Helen S.
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On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:59 AM,   
wrote:
Thanks for the info.
I thought I would share the information I have on the other Barrantes from the 
1300’s: She was Dona Maria Fernandes Barrantes (in my book from Joao Ventura on 
page 433) married to Joao Lourenco do Amaral. Dona Maria and Joao have a 
daughter Dona Brites Anes do Amaral who was born about 1410. Dona Brites (pg 
397-433) marries Vasco Cardoso and they have a son named Luis Vaz Cardoso born 
about 1420 (pg 397). Luis married Leanor Rodrigues de Vasconcelos and they have 
a son named Joao Vaz Cardoso (pg 397). Joao marries Dona Maria de Faria and 
they have a son who appears in my tree twice. Their son’s name was Martim Anes 
Cardoso (reference number 164, page 397, 407-397). Martim with unknown woman 
has Ines Martins Cardoso and Henrique Cardoso. Ines Martins Cardoso (pg 407) 
was born about 1475 and she marries Alvaro Martins Homem. Henrique (pg 397) 
marries Beatriz Afonso Homem.
I’m wondering if the 1600’s and 1300’s Barrantes/Barrancos lines will connect 
and if I should change the name of the other Barrantes in my database to 
Barrancos. What is the proper method for handling this new information?
 
Additional I have a Pedro Goncalves (pg 171) married to a Maria Rodrigues and 
they have a child named Beatriz Goncalves who was born in Biscoitos. Beatriz 
marries Antonio Goncalves Caldeira from Biscoitos in 1654. They have a child 
name Margarida Goncalves born 1606 in Biscoitos and marries Manuel de Avila 
from Agualva in 1699. Margarida and Manuel have a daughter named Beatriz dos 
Reis born 1707 in Agualva who marries Manuel Fernandes Vieira of Biscoitos in 
1727, Beatris and Manuel have a son named Francisco Vieira born in Biscoitos 
who marries Esperanca de Jesus in Altares in 1775. After this couple the line 
stays in Altares. The name seem to follow some of the line you provided. Maybe 
they connect?
Thank you. Doreen
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From: 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 8:59 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pedro Goncalves Barrantes and Maria Rodrigues
 
Dear Doreen,
 
To me, this surname is not Barrantes, but BARRANCOS.
I have two others Barrancos in my data base :
- Antonio Martins Barrancos married in 1712 com Maria do Espirito Santo from 
Altares. His grandfather is Pedro Gonçalves, without name of the grandmother. 
It's possibly Pedro Gonçalves Barrancos. The Antonio's mother is Beatriz 
Rodrigues, then perhaps sister of your Maria Rodrigues.
- Pacoal Martins Barrancos from Fonte Bastardo, married in 1733 with Maria de 
Santo Antônio.
 
Maria Rodrigues married in 1657. Then, born before 1644 (1st batism date). But 
Beatriz Rodrigues married in 1673. Perhapes born after 1644, and with others 
informations on this family.
 
Best regards
 
Philippe Garnier 
Paris - France 
 
Em Quinta-feira, 6 de Julho de 2017 3:26, doreencaetano 
 escreveu:
 
I have this couple as the parents of Maria Rodrigues, who married Francisco 
Fagundes on 2/4/1657 in Altares, Terceira. Maria Rodrigues was Francisco's 2nd 
wife. His 1st wife was Maria Goncalves. I see the records indicates that Maria 
Rodrigues was from Altares. Is there any other leads from the record. I can not 
find these people anywhere else and you know what that meansblindly 
searching the baptism and death records for this time period. I was hoping 
someone from the group might know more... Especially since the last name 
Barrantes is not very common. I only have it one other time in my 
databaseD. Maria Fernandes Barrantes, which is from the 1300's.
  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Margin notes on Marriage of Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa

[Margaret Vicente]

Coming in a little on this, however and reference to the margin notes.  In 1860 
there was a call to Arms as the Civil War broke out.These certificates were 
proof of marriage.  The dates in between 1860-1865 will also be reflected in 
every man/boy that were of age birth records.  Proof of age.

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> On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel  
> wrote:
> 
> It would be speculation on my part as to why they needed a certificate but 
> the first thing that comes to mind is they needed for a governmental purpose 
> such as a passport or perhaps to inherit property.
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joanne Mercier
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 10:32 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Margin notes on Marriage of 
> Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa
>  
> Thanks, Rick - any idea why the priest would notate when certificates were 
> issued? Or why? Just curious...
>  
>  
> On July 6, 2017 at 9:40:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> (rickredle...@gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> The top one is a certificate issued on 31 Mar 1862 and the second one is also 
> a certificate issued on 28 Feb 1864.
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Joanne Mercier
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 9:16 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Margin notes on Marriage of 
> Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860_item1/P77.html
>  
> I was finally able to find the documentation on my great great grandparents 
> marriage but there are two margin notes that I’m having difficulty reading. 
> The upper is dated 31 March 1862 and the lower is 1864 - everything else is 
> blurry to me. If anyone can help me decipher this hard-to-read handwriting 
> I’d really appreciate it. 
>  
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Margin notes on Marriage of Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa

[Joanne Mercier]

Thanks, Rick - another road to travel down… :)


On July 7, 2017 at 8:48:55 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel (
rickredle...@gmail.com) wrote:

*It would be speculation on my part as to why they needed a certificate but
the first thing that comes to mind is they needed for a governmental
purpose such as a passport or perhaps to inherit property.*

*Rick*



*From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
Of *Joanne Mercier
*Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2017 10:32 PM
*To:* azores@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Margin notes on
Marriage of Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa



Thanks, Rick - any idea why the priest would notate when certificates were
issued? Or why? Just curious...





On July 6, 2017 at 9:40:22 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel (
rickredle...@gmail.com) wrote:

*The top one is a certificate issued on 31 Mar 1862 and the second one is
also a certificate issued on 28 Feb 1864.*



*Rick*



*From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
Of *Joanne Mercier
*Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2017 9:16 PM
*To:* azores@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Margin notes on Marriage of
Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860_item1/P77.html



I was finally able to find the documentation on my great great grandparents
marriage but there are two margin notes that I’m having difficulty reading.
The upper is dated 31 March 1862 and the lower is 1864 - everything else is
blurry to me. If anyone can help me decipher this hard-to-read handwriting
I’d really appreciate it.



Thanks!

Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help: Margin notes on Marriage of Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa

[Joanne Mercier]

JR,
the marriage is of *Manuel Luiz *(as he is known is subsequent documents
and the only family name I knew of until I started researching), son of
Luis de Costa Caixihno  and Umbelina Thomazina de Jesus (de Costa
Pires) to *Maria
do Carmo* (Martins / dosSantos) on *4 February 1856 at Nossa Senhora do
Rosario in Lagoa*. The desendents in my family go by Luiz so finding the de
Costa surname was surprising but it appears to clear up a lot. Any info is
greatly appreciated.

Joanne


On July 7, 2017 at 12:56:51 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:

I think I have some of these names form when I helped someone. Who are the
ancestors, your great grandparents and the dates, I don't want to go on
wild goose chase. Or you can email me privately.

JR

On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 9:15:45 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860_item1/P77.html
>
> I was finally able to find the documentation on my great great
> grandparents marriage but there are two margin notes that I’m having
> difficulty reading. The upper is dated 31 March 1862 and the lower is 1864
> - everything else is blurry to me. If anyone can help me decipher this
> hard-to-read handwriting I’d really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary, since this priest translated Saõ Miguel to Saint Michael's, I think he 
also translated Isabel to Elizabeth. We have a "Portuguese National Church" 
here in Sacramento, CA and it has always puzzled me that it is  named St 
Elizabeth's but is dedicated to St Isabel and displays a large statue of her 
near the altar. 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

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> On Jul 10, 2017, at 6:04 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Where did you get the marriage information from? Did they marry in a church? 
> If it were a Catholic church then perhaps the record from the church will 
> give additional information as to which village they were from.
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Pimentel Wheeler
> Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:49 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao 
> Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)
>  
> Looking for the following people - do any of you have them in your tree?
>  
> Maria Margarida - Born Sao Jorge ca. 1847.   Married to:  Manoel J. Souza - 
> born in St. Michaels ca. 1842
>  
> They married in Boston on 30 Nov 1872.  He was 20 years old, she was 25.
>  
> Marriage certificate list  HIS parents as Manoel & Florinda, and HER parents 
> as Joseph & Elizabeth.
>  
> Since I don't have frequesias for either Maria Margarida or Manoel J. Souza, 
> I thought I'd start here to see if anyone has them, before I start searching 
> village by village.
>  
>  
> Also - quick question.  I've not seen "Elizabeth" as a given name in the 
> Azores - does anyone know if that is an anglicized version of a Portuguese 
> name?  That might help me find her mother if I need to start searching CCA.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mary
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Where did you get the marriage information from? Did they marry in a church? If 
it were a Catholic church then perhaps the record from the church will give 
additional information as to which village they were from. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Pimentel Wheeler
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:49 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1872 Boston marriage of Maria Margarida (of Sao 
Jorge) to Manoel J. Souza (of St. Michaels)

 

Looking for the following people - do any of you have them in your tree?

 

Maria Margarida - Born Sao Jorge ca. 1847.   Married to:  Manoel J. Souza - 
born in St. Michaels ca. 1842 

 

They married in Boston on 30 Nov 1872.  He was 20 years old, she was 25.

 

Marriage certificate list  HIS parents as Manoel & Florinda, and HER parents as 
Joseph & Elizabeth.

 

Since I don't have frequesias for either Maria Margarida or Manoel J. Souza, I 
thought I'd start here to see if anyone has them, before I start searching 
village by village.

 

 

Also - quick question.  I've not seen "Elizabeth" as a given name in the Azores 
- does anyone know if that is an anglicized version of a Portuguese name?  That 
might help me find her mother if I need to start searching CCA.

 

Thanks,

 

Mary

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