Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is my DNA leading to a distant ancestor on Pico?

[IslandRoutes]

Cheri,
On the plus side, I know my newly identified 5th cousins is from the 
Achada/Mello side of the tree.  He is not related to the Pacheco line of 
FVC.  That's got to account for something :)
Mel
On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 8:55:39 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> They don't HAVE TO have the same chromosome 2 sequence. It's really nice 
> when it happens, because it makes it easy, but as in life, most things 
> AREN'T easy. G.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SATA Airlines on strike Aug 23-26

[manueljoseljose]

They just canceled a strike for the 11th tomorrow
There is a good change that the 23-26 strike can be worked out 

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> If you are planning on traveling for a genealogy, fun trip to Azores on 
> these dates, best to contact your travel agent now. 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

[Mary Bordi]

Thanks Tomás! I have been able to find passports for my great grandparents
who came at different times during the period you state that they were not
required. That's good to know.

Mary

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> Very Interesting Tomás!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:
>
> Not all immigrants to the U.S. arrived with official passports. My
> grandfather's oldest brother emigrated from Horta in 1885, but his passport
> was issued later to verify his Portuguese citizenship and was signed for by
> his younger brother, who remained in Flamengos the rest of his life. His
> signature is on the back of the passport. I assume that after-the-fact
> documents were not rare, as I cannot imagine any official issuing a
> passport for someone who had already left the country. It's possible your
> ancestors simply came over without papers.
>
> Apparently, passports were not always required for entry to the U.S. For
> example, https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Passports shows
> periods when passports were required, and it appears none were required
> between 1862 and 1918. To my knowledge, my paternal grandfather from the
> Azores is the only one of my four grandparents who had a passport; the
> other three did not.
>
> My Azorean grandfather, who emigrated in 1907, did have a passport before
> his departure. Because he was already 18, his passport states he was
> granted an exemption from military service. He probably felt the need for a
> passport stating his military exemption because he would have been
> forbidden by law from leaving the country ahead of fulfilling his military
> obligation. My other grandparents did not have the same issue. In those
> days, many young men swam or rowed out to the ship rather than leave from
> the port, so they could evade the authorities and emigrate without
> fulfilling military service, which might have caused further hardship on
> the family--loss of labor on the farm, loss of income, and so on. I don't
> know why or how my grandfather got this exemption, though I assume some
> sort of "hardship" was claimed. His father (my great-grandfather) had
> already died, leaving the farm to his widow (my great-grandmother). Three
> of his brothers (including his oldest one) had already emigrated and the
> oldest brother had already sent passage from Horta to New York and New York
> to Oakland when my grandfather applied for his passport. Thus, my
> grandfather was fully sponsored before he emigrated.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Barbara Victorina obit - Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Thank you!!

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Eric,  you have it right. Azevedo and Teixeira are correct.  The mother it 
> reads Maria do Rosario.  It also says she was a widow, proprietor died 
> without a will and left children.
>
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
> Can I get an extra set of eyes on Barbara Victorina's obit?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911_item1/P137.html
>
> Here's what I think I get out of it ...
>
> Barbara Victorina - died 29 Apr 1909
> 83YO
> Is the spouse Antonio Machado de Azevedo?
> filha de Manuel Machado (Teixeira?) e Maria do Rosaria?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Barbara Victorina obit - Topo, São Jorge

[Margaret Vicente]

Eric,  you have it right. Azevedo and Teixeira are correct.  The mother it 
reads Maria do Rosario.  It also says she was a widow, proprietor died without 
a will and left children.

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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Eric Souza  wrote:
> 
> Can I get an extra set of eyes on Barbara Victorina's obit?
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911_item1/P137.html
> 
> Here's what I think I get out of it ...
> 
> Barbara Victorina - died 29 Apr 1909
> 83YO
> Is the spouse Antonio Machado de Azevedo?
> filha de Manuel Machado (Teixeira?) e Maria do Rosaria?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel- Help with paternal grandmother's name

[Maria Lima]

Oops - sorry Joseph- I looked at maternal

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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
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> Medeiros. Victoria (Vitoria) de Medeiros.
> 
> 
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>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
>> 
>> Maria: Top-left side side.
>> 
>> I need some help with the paternal grandmother's name: Victoria de ?
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860_item1/P154.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel- Help with paternal grandmother's name

[Maria Lima]

I "think" it could be Guiteria Rosa .  Hope others will chime in.  

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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
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> Maria: Top-left side side.
> 
> I need some help with the paternal grandmother's name: Victoria de ?
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860_item1/P154.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel- Help with paternal grandmother's name

[Joseph Mendonca]

Thanks Margaret.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Medeiros. Victoria (Vitoria) de Medeiros.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
> wrote:
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> Maria: Top-left side side.
>
> I need some help with the paternal grandmother's name: Victoria de ?
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860_item1/P154.html
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel- Help with paternal grandmother's name

[Margaret Vicente]

Medeiros. Victoria (Vitoria) de Medeiros.



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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
> 
> Maria: Top-left side side.
> 
> I need some help with the paternal grandmother's name: Victoria de ?
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860_item1/P154.html
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Standardized names

[Sme]

Thanks for the responses.   On Sao Jorge, Agueda has been very popular as a
female first name.

It is also used as a last name with "de"  in front of it.  Usually for a
man.

Agueda it is!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Povoacao, Sao Miguel- Help with paternal grandmother's name

[Joseph Mendonca]

Maria: Top-left side side.

I need some help with the paternal grandmother's name: Victoria de ?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1856-1860_item1/P154.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Barbara Victorina obit - Topo, São Jorge

[Eric Souza]

Can I get an extra set of eyes on Barbara Victorina's obit?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-O-1900-1911_item1/P137.html

Here's what I think I get out of it ...

Barbara Victorina - died 29 Apr 1909
83YO
Is the spouse Antonio Machado de Azevedo?
filha de Manuel Machado (Teixeira?) e Maria do Rosaria?

Thanks!
- Eric

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Margaret Vicente]

Maria Elena,

It depends how you are doing your search. If you're going one by one it is
a very slow process.  I use Firefox browser for my searches which enables
me to open up to 50 records at at time speeding up the process
exponentially.  If you are not doing that you should try it.  Besides that
Part of my family ancestry is ingrained in Ponta Delgada.

And, you are welcome!

Take care.
Margaret



On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Margaret and JR:
>
> What a treasure you've given me.  Saying "Thank You" doesn't begin to
> express my excitement.
>
> Margaret, I read your email last night after "lights out".  I accompanied
> my husband on a trip to Indiana and I get to spend 2 WHOLE days doing
> family research.  YAY!  I'm not home so laundry or dust or cooking don't
> call my name.  Yesterday I only found the Maria born in São José but
> still felt rewarded for all the hours I spent looking for Antonia.
>
> I was certain that I would look for find Antonia today.  I almost  fell
> out of bed when I saw you already found Antonia and "then some"!!  How on
> earth did you find those records that fast?  I spent all day and came up
> with one name!!
>
> JR- what a treasure you sent.  I've been reschearching for almost a year
> to trace my husband's LIMA name and got as far back as some of the names
> you sent me.
>
> Yesterday I decided to find as many husbands and wives of Manoel da
> Costa's (and Izabel Martins') children.   You sent me that and more.
>
> What a reward after yesterday when I felt like all those hours and I only
> got one name!!!  (Of course I did a happy dance when I found even that ONE
> name.). 嵐
>
> Thank you- Thank You!!
>
>  Maria Elena
>
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
>
> she was given child because she was nursing and could feed the baby.
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Maria Lima 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April
>> 1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named
>> Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel
>> Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
>>
>> How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the
>> couple? (Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some
>> relative) when this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of
>> her own and the youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe
>> someone has more insight.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html
>>
>> Help?
>>
>> Maria Elena
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Júlio]

Descendentes de Manoel Tavares
--

Primeira geração
--
--

*1. Manoel Tavares [90349]*,1  
filho de *Jose Gonçalves* [69059] 2 
 e *Maria De Lima* [69060],2 
 nasceu em 1624.1 
 

Manoel casou com *Maria de Lima* [90350] 1 
 [MRIN: 40466], filha de *Manoel 
Martins* [69063] 3  e *Maria De 
Lima* [69064],3  a 26 Dez 1644 
em São José, Ponta Delgada.2  
Maria nasceu em 1624.1  

*Filhos deste casamento:* 

   2 Fi. * Maria [69061]* 2  
nasceu em Out 1649 em São José, Ponta Delgada,2 
 e foi baptizada a 18 Out 1649 
em São José, Ponta Delgada.2  

+ 3 Fii. *Isabel Martins [8346] 
* 4 
 nasceu a 16 Fev 1653 em São 
José, Ponta Delgada,5  e foi 
baptizada a 16 Fev 1653 em São José, Ponta Delgada.4 
 

   4 Miii. * Manoel [69062]* 2 
 nasceu a 5 Abr 1658 em São 
José, Ponta Delgada,2  e foi 
baptizado a 5 Abr 1658 em São José, Ponta Delgada.2 
 

Segunda geração (Filhos)
--

*3. Isabel Martins [8346] * 
4  (*Manoel1*) nasceu a 16 Fev 
1653 em São José, Ponta Delgada,5 
 e foi baptizada a 16 Fev 1653 
em São José, Ponta Delgada.4  

Isabel casou com *Manuel da Costa* [8349] 6 
 [MRIN: 4738] a 24 Set 1673 em 
São José, Ponta Delgada.7  

*Filhos deste casamento:* 

   5 Fi. *Maria Costa [45815]* nasceu em 1673. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P102.html

   6 Mii. *Joao Da Costa Lima [65173]* 8 
 nasceu em Jun 1674 em São 
José, Ponta Delgada,8  foi 
baptizado a 1 Jul 1674 em São José, Ponta Delgada,,8 
 faleceu a 15 Mar 1751 em Relva8 
 com 76 anos de idade, e foi 
sepultado a 15 Mar 1751 em Relva.8 
 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P18.html

Joao casou com *Anna Martins* [65172] 9 
 [MRIN: 31597], filha de *Gaspar 
Rodrigues* [57709] 10  e *Maria 
Martins* [65123],11  a 3 Jun 
1694. Anna nasceu em 1676 em Candelária, Ponta Delgada,9 
 e faleceu a 18 Nov 1726 em 
Relva9  com 50 anos de idade. 

Joao a seguir casou com *Felicianna De Pimentel* [69023] 12 
 [MRIN: 31598], filha de *Manuel 
Ferreira De Pimentel* [69065] 13 
 e *Maria De Paiva* [69070],14 
 a 9 Mar 1727 em Relva. 
Felicianna nasceu a 3 Jun 1699 em Capelas,12 
 foi baptizada a 9 Jun 1699 em 
Capelas,12  e faleceu a 24 Dez 
1730 em Relva12  com 31 anos 
de idade. 

Joao a seguir casou com *Barbara De Viveiros* [69024] 15 
 [MRIN: 31599] cerca de 1731 
em Relva. Barbara nasceu em Ponta Delgada,15 
 e faleceu a 15 Mar 1751.15 
 

   7 Miii. * Manoel [69026]* 16 
 nasceu em Dez 1676 em São 
José, Ponta Delgada,16  e foi 
baptizado a 13 Dez 1676 em São José, Ponta Delgada.16 
 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P41.html

   8 Miv. *Francisco Da Costa [69027]* 17 
 nasceu em Out 1678 em Relva,17 
 e foi baptizado a 9 Out 1678 
em Relva.17  

   9 Mv. * Sylvestre [69028]* 18 
 nasceu em Jan 1681 em Relva,18 
 e foi baptizado a 5 Jan 1681 
em Relva.18  

   10 Fvi. *Antónia Martins [8352]* 19 
 nasceu a 26 Ago 1686 em São 
José, Ponta Delgada,19  e foi 
baptizada a 28 Ago 1686 em São José, Ponta Delgada. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P131.html

Antónia casou com *Antonio De Lima* [69034] 20 
 [MRIN: 33022], filho de *Antonio 
Pereira* [90351] 21  e *Clara 
de Lima* [90352],21  a 22 Jul 
1709 em Relva. Antonio nasceu em 1689 em Água De Pau, Ponta Delgada, 
Azores, Portugal.22  

   11 Mvii. * Antao [69029]* 23 
 nasceu em Jan 1689 em Relva,23 
 e foi baptizado a 23 Jan 1689 
em Relva.23  

   12 Fviii. * Barbara [69031]* 24 
 nasceu em Jan 1692 em Relva,24 
 e foi baptizada a 6 Jan 1692 
em Relva.24  

   13 Mix. * Manoel [69032]* 25 
 nasceu a 30 Jan 1694 em Relva.
25  

   14 Fx. * Maria [45817]* . 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P117.html

quarta-feira, 9 de Agosto de 2017 às 00:06:45 UTC, Maria escreveu:
>
> Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April 
> 1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named 
> Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel 
> Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
>
> How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the 
> couple? (Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some 
> relative) when this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of 
> her own and the youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe 
> someone has more insight. 
>
>
> 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Júlio]

Hello Maria

This is that I have:

Descendentes de Antonio De Lima
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Primeira geração
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*1. Antonio De Lima [69034]*,1  
filho de *Antonio Pereira* [90351] 2 
 e *Clara de Lima* [90352],2 
 nasceu em 1689 em Água De Pau, 
Ponta Delgada, Azores, Portugal.3 
 

Antonio casou com *Antónia Martins* [8352] 4 
 [MRIN: 33022], filha de *Manuel 
da Costa* [8349] 5  e *Isabel 
Martins* [8346],6  a 22 Jul 
1709 em Relva. Antónia nasceu a 26 Ago 1686 em São José, Ponta Delgada,4 
 e foi baptizada a 28 Ago 1686 
em São José, Ponta Delgada. 

*Filhos deste casamento:* 

   2 Fi. * Antónia [90355]* 2 
 nasceu a 17 Mai 1714 em Relva, 
Açores, Portugal,2  e foi 
baptizada a 22 Mai 1714 em Relva, Açores, Portugal.2 
 

   3 Mii. * José [90356]* 2  
nasceu a 12 Jan 1717 em Relva, Açores, Portugal,2 
 e foi baptizado a 17 Jan 1717 
em Relva, Açores, Portugal.2  

+ 4 Fiii. *Josefa Santos [90353] 
* 7 
 nasceu a 27 Jun 1721 em Relva,7 
 e foi baptizada a 1 Jul 1721 
em Relva.7  

   5 Miv. * José [90357]* 2  
nasceu a 8 Ago 1724 em Relva, Açores, Portugal,2 
 e foi baptizado a 24 Ago 1724 
em Relva, Açores, Portugal.2  

   6 Mv. * Manoel [90354]* 2 
 nasceu a 23 Mai 1710 em Relva, 
Açores, Portugal,2  e foi 
baptizado a 26 Mai 1710 em Relva, Açores, Portugal.2 
 

   7 Fvi. * Theresa [90358]* 2 
 nasceu a 15 Set 1727 em Relva, 
Açores, Portugal,2  e foi 
baptizada a 21 Set 1727 em Relva, Açores, Portugal.2 
 

Segunda geração (Filhos)
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*4. Josefa Santos [90353] * 
7  (*Antonio De1*) nasceu a 27 
Jun 1721 em Relva,7  e foi 
baptizada a 1 Jul 1721 em Relva.7 
 

Josefa casou com *Manuel Raposo* [62341] 8 
 [MRIN: 30509], filho de *Lourenço 
Raposo* [61911] 9  e *Barbara 
Rodrigues* [61910],10  a 24 
Set 1741 em Relva. Manuel nasceu a 10 Fev 1721 em Feteiras, São Miguel,8 
 e foi baptizado a 18 Fev 1721 
em Feteiras, São Miguel.8  

*Filhos deste casamento:* 

   8 Fi. * Josepha [62364]* 11 
 nasceu a 20 Jan 1754 em Relva,
11  e foi baptizada a 3 Fev 
1754 em Relva.11  

   9 Fii. * Antónia [62361]* 12 
 nasceu a 24 Dez 1749 em Relva,
12  e foi baptizada em Relva.12 
 

   10 Fiii. * Ana [62362]* 13 
 nasceu a 20 Dez 1751 em Relva,
13  e foi baptizada em Relva.13 
 

   11 Fiv. *Constancia Maria [62366]* 14 
 nasceu a 12 Jan 1758 em Relva,
14  e foi baptizada a 22 Jan 
1758 em Relva.14  

Constancia casou com *Manuel De Medeiros* [62367] 15 
 [MRIN: 30512] a 20 Dez 1780 
em Relva. Manuel nasceu em Relva.15 
 

   12 Mv. * Manoel [62365]* 16 
 nasceu a 10 Nov 1755 em Relva,
16  e foi baptizado em Relva.16 
 

   13 Mvi. * Luís [62360]* 17 
 nasceu a 1 Dez 1747 em Relva,
17  e foi baptizado em Relva.17 
 

   14 Mvii. *João Raposo [62368]* 18 
 nasceu a 4 Jul 1760 em Relva,
18  e foi baptizado a 13 Jul 
1760 em Relva.18  

João casou com *Maria De Jesus* [62370] 19 
 [MRIN: 30513] a 27 Abr 1794 
em Relva. Maria nasceu a 8 Fev 1760 em Relva,19 
 e foi baptizada em Relva.19 
 

   15 Mviii. *Domingos Raposo [62356]* 20 
 nasceu em Relva,20 
 e foi baptizado em Relva.20 
 

Domingos casou com *Barbara Conceição* [62357] 21 
 [MRIN: 30511] a 27 Abr 1794 
em Relva. Barbara nasceu em Relva.21 
 

   16 Fix. * Maria [62359]* 22 
 nasceu a 26 Dez 1745 em Relva,
22  e foi baptizada em Relva.22 
 

   17 Fx. * Josepha [62355]* 23 
 nasceu a 6 Out 1741 em Relva,
23  e foi baptizada em Relva.23 
 

   18 Mxi. *Manuel Da Costa [62371]* 24 
 nasceu em Relva.24 
 

Manuel casou com *Josefa Maria* [62372] 25 
 [MRIN: 30515] a 5 Set 1790 em 
Relva. Josefa nasceu em Relva,25 
 e foi baptizada a 5 Ago 1762 
em Relva.25 

quarta-feira, 9 de Agosto de 2017 às 00:06:45 UTC, Maria escreveu:
>
> Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April 
> 1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named 
> Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel 
> Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
>
> How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the 
> couple? (Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some 
> relative) when this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of 
> her own and the youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe 
> someone has more insight. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html
>
> Help?
>
> Maria Elena 
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Standardized names

[nancy jean baptiste]

I also have an Agueda Silveira Leonardes, born 1809, all her records say 
"Agueda".


Nancy Jean


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:19:01 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Standardized names

Sorry, I'm finding Águeda as a first name of a woman on Sao Miguel island. The 
modern spelling is Águeda as JR said.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
Ágata.
Águeda is a place.

2017-08-09 18:21 GMT+01:00 Sme 
>:
Agada or Agueda?   (femlale first name)


Suzanne

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Very Interesting Tomás!

Susan Vargas Murphy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> 
> Not all immigrants to the U.S. arrived with official passports. My 
> grandfather's oldest brother emigrated from Horta in 1885, but his passport 
> was issued later to verify his Portuguese citizenship and was signed for by 
> his younger brother, who remained in Flamengos the rest of his life. His 
> signature is on the back of the passport. I assume that after-the-fact 
> documents were not rare, as I cannot imagine any official issuing a passport 
> for someone who had already left the country. It's possible your ancestors 
> simply came over without papers.
> 
> Apparently, passports were not always required for entry to the U.S. For 
> example, https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Passports shows 
> periods when passports were required, and it appears none were required 
> between 1862 and 1918. To my knowledge, my paternal grandfather from the 
> Azores is the only one of my four grandparents who had a passport; the other 
> three did not. 
> 
> My Azorean grandfather, who emigrated in 1907, did have a passport before his 
> departure. Because he was already 18, his passport states he was granted an 
> exemption from military service. He probably felt the need for a passport 
> stating his military exemption because he would have been forbidden by law 
> from leaving the country ahead of fulfilling his military obligation. My 
> other grandparents did not have the same issue. In those days, many young men 
> swam or rowed out to the ship rather than leave from the port, so they could 
> evade the authorities and emigrate without fulfilling military service, which 
> might have caused further hardship on the family--loss of labor on the farm, 
> loss of income, and so on. I don't know why or how my grandfather got this 
> exemption, though I assume some sort of "hardship" was claimed. His father 
> (my great-grandfather) had already died, leaving the farm to his widow (my 
> great-grandmother). Three of his brothers (including his oldest one) had 
> already emigrated and the oldest brother had already sent passage from Horta 
> to New York and New York to Oakland when my grandfather applied for his 
> passport. Thus, my grandfather was fully sponsored before he emigrated.
> 
> Tomás Leal
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

[Tomas Leal]

Not all immigrants to the U.S. arrived with official passports. My 
grandfather's oldest brother emigrated from Horta in 1885, but his passport 
was issued later to verify his Portuguese citizenship and was signed for by 
his younger brother, who remained in Flamengos the rest of his life. His 
signature is on the back of the passport. I assume that after-the-fact 
documents were not rare, as I cannot imagine any official issuing a 
passport for someone who had already left the country. It's possible your 
ancestors simply came over without papers.

Apparently, passports were not always required for entry to the U.S. For 
example, https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/United_States_Passports shows 
periods when passports were required, and it appears none were required 
between 1862 and 1918. To my knowledge, my paternal grandfather from the 
Azores is the only one of my four grandparents who had a passport; the 
other three did not. 

My Azorean grandfather, who emigrated in 1907, did have a passport before 
his departure. Because he was already 18, his passport states he was 
granted an exemption from military service. He probably felt the need for a 
passport stating his military exemption because he would have been 
forbidden by law from leaving the country ahead of fulfilling his military 
obligation. My other grandparents did not have the same issue. In those 
days, many young men swam or rowed out to the ship rather than leave from 
the port, so they could evade the authorities and emigrate without 
fulfilling military service, which might have caused further hardship on 
the family--loss of labor on the farm, loss of income, and so on. I don't 
know why or how my grandfather got this exemption, though I assume some 
sort of "hardship" was claimed. His father (my great-grandfather) had 
already died, leaving the farm to his widow (my great-grandmother). Three 
of his brothers (including his oldest one) had already emigrated and the 
oldest brother had already sent passage from Horta to New York and New York 
to Oakland when my grandfather applied for his passport. Thus, my 
grandfather was fully sponsored before he emigrated.

Tomás Leal


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