RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[1halfazorean]

Flores, Santa cruz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[JR]

Okay you are right. It seems I transposed the year from another file, but 
at this point I don't know where the date came from. So 1785 is incorrect 
for sure. However, I do have that Antonio de Souto married Antonia Maria, 
Feb 19- 1786. He was viuva de Maria Gularte. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P100.html

I will look around to see where I made mistake.

JR





On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:50:18 PM UTC-4, Sean Andrade wrote:
>
> Hi JR,
>
> I never found any records of Manuel having a daughter, but she is on the 
> Citem site listed with no parents. I believe you have her marriage date 
> wrong though as this record is from 1774 and you have her marriage in 1785. 
> Can you see the correct year?
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 6:22:13 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>>
>> Mel Gr.a de Andrade v.o de Ma. G.te nat Santissima Trindade, Capello, de 
>> idade de oitenta oito annos, faleceu, May 10- 1774, sepultado na igreja 
>> abaixo de da grade S.Matheus amortalado em habito picote a Irmadade das 
>> Almas...he was accompanied by the college ...and he left will with 
>> instructions for a number of prayers to be said for his soul. The executor 
>> was his son in law (genro), Antonio do Souto, who was married to Maria 
>> Gularte de Faria, filha of said Manuel Garcia de Andrade, married 13 Oct 
>> 1785, in Capelo.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:04:15 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there's another "a" or if it's bleed 
>>> through. I tried to look at the image on the back page. Then I'm focusing 
>>> on the faded letters. It seems like it could be M^a ag^te (or a) or Maria 
>>> Goularte. Hope Sean knows who he was married to!
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 5:48 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 I think Cheri is right about the age, 88.  For the spouse I see "V.o de 
 M.a G.te" which I believe is widower of Maria Goularte.

 Bill

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Sean Andrade]

Hi JR,

I never found any records of Manuel having a daughter, but she is on the 
Citem site listed with no parents. I believe you have her marriage date 
wrong though as this record is from 1774 and you have her marriage in 1785. 
Can you see the correct year?

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 6:22:13 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> Mel Gr.a de Andrade v.o de Ma. G.te nat Santissima Trindade, Capello, de 
> idade de oitenta oito annos, faleceu, May 10- 1774, sepultado na igreja 
> abaixo de da grade S.Matheus amortalado em habito picote a Irmadade das 
> Almas...he was accompanied by the college ...and he left will with 
> instructions for a number of prayers to be said for his soul. The executor 
> was his son in law (genro), Antonio do Souto, who was married to Maria 
> Gularte de Faria, filha of said Manuel Garcia de Andrade, married 13 Oct 
> 1785, in Capelo.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:04:15 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there's another "a" or if it's bleed 
>> through. I tried to look at the image on the back page. Then I'm focusing 
>> on the faded letters. It seems like it could be M^a ag^te (or a) or Maria 
>> Goularte. Hope Sean knows who he was married to!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 5:48 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I think Cheri is right about the age, 88.  For the spouse I see "V.o de 
>>> M.a G.te" which I believe is widower of Maria Goularte.
>>>
>>> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[luiznoia]

Is this Theresa Aguiar?

Eric

On Thu, May 3, 2018, 1:22 PM Luv4hevn  wrote:

> Hello Eric we have connected before.  My family being one of those Noia
> lines.
> We are the Noia’s from the Santa Cruz, Flores line.
> Brothers Roberto Antonio Noia & Francisco Noia came to the USA.  There is
> definitely 2 different Noia family sides in Antioch, CA area.  I’m still
> trying to separate them out.
> Theresa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 2, 2018, at 3:58 PM, luiznoia  wrote:
>
> My grandfather's family is Noia from Flores. I have all of the Flores
> history and geneaolgy books in print. The consensus is that there are two
> Noia lines. One leads back to
>
> Sao Miguel and before that to Porto Santo, Madeira. This line is centered
> in Santa Cruz.
>
>
>
> The other Noia group comes from the town of Noia, on the coast of Galicia,
> Spain. It is a closest seaport to Santiago de Compostela.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noia
>
> 
> Bartolomeu de Noia is the originator of this line centered in Ponta
> Delgada. He died there in 1680. This is my line. I have a document chain
> back to him.
>
> In America, it some times became Noya. There is no shortening it. My great
> grandfather dropped the Noia name at naturalization, and used his middle
> name
>
> Luiz instead.
>
> I've spent 20 years picking apart the various Noia lines. If you have more
> information for me, I can see where it fits in.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:51 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for , 1halfazorean at gmail.com
>>
>> I googled my great grand mother’s name ( Nunes )and came across a thread
>> with past relatives of her husband Antonio Noia! My great grand father
>> naturally. Wow. It also lists their three children, my great aunt & uncle
>> and my grandmother. Very interesting. It also mentions my mothers two
>> brothers and not her or her two sisters or her!  Reading through all the
>> past generation with all the familiar last names and some of the first
>> names is amazing. Sure wish my mom was alive to see this information.
>>   My question is, where did the Noia name begin? António Fraga sees to
>> have started it all in the Azores, Flores. Fraga, Carvalho, Pimentel, De
>> Jesus are also mentioned. I don’t see where the name Noia actually enters
>> the family!?  Also mentioned is that, Noia was shortened or altered once
>> arriving in America.
>> Anyway, any comments welcome
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[luiznoia]

I have a Contra Costa County Noia families master file. I have every Noia
line mapped.

Send me specific information, and I'll look them up.

Eric Edgar


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> Cliff N;  Where do your Fragas come from?  Mine are from Sao Jorge.
>
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> Sam (Mazatlan, MX)
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>
>
>
> Well, my information came from you! The Fraga line. My great grandfather
> was António Carvalho Noia. Number 9 on your genealogy list. He married
> Maria Nunes. They lived in Oakley,CA.
>
>  I Am still unclear how the Noia names comes in to play. I don’t see who
> brought the Noia name into the mix. Still interested. Thanks for your
> efforts.
>
>Cliff N
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[JR]

Mel Gr.a de Andrade v.o de Ma. G.te nat Santissima Trindade, Capello, de 
idade de oitenta oito annos, faleceu, May 10- 1774, sepultado na igreja 
abaixo de da grade S.Matheus amortalado em habito picote a Irmadade das 
Almas...he was accompanied by the college ...and he left will with 
instructions for a number of prayers to be said for his soul. The executor 
was his son in law (genro), Antonio do Souto, who was married to Maria 
Gularte de Faria, filha of said Manuel Garcia de Andrade, married 13 Oct 
1785, in Capelo.

JR

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:04:15 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there's another "a" or if it's bleed 
> through. I tried to look at the image on the back page. Then I'm focusing 
> on the faded letters. It seems like it could be M^a ag^te (or a) or Maria 
> Goularte. Hope Sean knows who he was married to!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 5:48 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I think Cheri is right about the age, 88.  For the spouse I see "V.o de 
>> M.a G.te" which I believe is widower of Maria Goularte.
>>
>> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Cheri Mello]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there's another "a" or if it's bleed
through. I tried to look at the image on the back page. Then I'm focusing
on the faded letters. It seems like it could be M^a ag^te (or a) or Maria
Goularte. Hope Sean knows who he was married to!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 5:48 PM,  wrote:

> I think Cheri is right about the age, 88.  For the spouse I see "V.o de
> M.a G.te" which I believe is widower of Maria Goularte.
>
> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

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I think Cheri is right about the age, 88.  For the spouse I see "V.o de M.a 
G.te" which I believe is widower of Maria Goularte.

Bill

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Cliff N;  Where do your Fragas come from?  Mine are from Sao Jorge.

Sam (Mazatlan, MX)

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

Well, my information came from you! The Fraga line. My great grandfather was 
António Carvalho Noia. Number 9 on your genealogy list. He married Maria Nunes. 
They lived in Oakley,CA. 
 I Am still unclear how the Noia names comes in to play. I don’t see who 
brought the Noia name into the mix. Still interested. Thanks for your efforts. 
   Cliff N

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[1halfazorean]

Well, my information came from you! The Fraga line. My great grandfather was 
António Carvalho Noia. Number 9 on your genealogy list. He married Maria Nunes. 
They lived in Oakley,CA. 
 I Am still unclear how the Noia names comes in to play. I don’t see who 
brought the Noia name into the mix. Still interested. Thanks for your efforts. 
   Cliff N

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Cheri Mello]

Hmm, now I think he was 88. Not sure if I can get Goularte out of the
deceased wife's name, though. We need more eyes!!!

Cheri Mello
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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:51 PM,  wrote:

> I believe it says 10 May 1774, native of this parish, 81 years old,
> widower of Maria Goularte
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[bsei2816]

I believe it says 10 May 1774, native of this parish, 81 years old, widower of 
Maria Goularte

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Cheri Mello]

Widower of Margareta something. Or Maria Augusta. He's a bit fancy.

I think Manuel was 85.

I think it says "des" in there for 10 of May.

Let others chime in too. They may see something different.



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On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:29 PM, Sean Andrade 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Bottom right for Manuel Garcia de Andrade: http://culturacores.
> azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-
> 1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791_item1/P102.html
>
> Does it say if he is married or widowed?
>
> Can anyone make out how old it says he is?
>
> I see the date as May 1774, but can't make out the day, can anyone make it
> out?
>
> Thanks!
> Sean
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Bottom right for Manuel Garcia de 
Andrade: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791_item1/P102.html

Does it say if he is married or widowed?

Can anyone make out how old it says he is?

I see the date as May 1774, but can't make out the day, can anyone make it 
out?

Thanks!
Sean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[Luv4hevn]

Hello Eric we have connected before.  My family being one of those Noia lines.
We are the Noia’s from the Santa Cruz, Flores line. 
Brothers Roberto Antonio Noia & Francisco Noia came to the USA.  There is 
definitely 2 different Noia family sides in Antioch, CA area.  I’m still trying 
to separate them out.
Theresa 

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> On May 2, 2018, at 3:58 PM, luiznoia  wrote:
> 
> My grandfather's family is Noia from Flores. I have all of the Flores history 
> and geneaolgy books in print. The consensus is that there are two Noia lines. 
> One leads back to 
> 
> Sao Miguel and before that to Porto Santo, Madeira. This line is centered in 
> Santa Cruz.
> 
> 
> 
> The other Noia group comes from the town of Noia, on the coast of Galicia, 
> Spain. It is a closest seaport to Santiago de Compostela. 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noia
> 
> Bartolomeu de Noia is the originator of this line centered in Ponta Delgada. 
> He died there in 1680. This is my line. I have a document chain back to him.
> 
> In America, it some times became Noya. There is no shortening it. My great 
> grandfather dropped the Noia name at naturalization, and used his middle name 
> 
> Luiz instead. 
> 
> I've spent 20 years picking apart the various Noia lines. If you have more 
> information for me, I can see where it fits in. 
> 
> 
> Eric Edgar
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:51 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Repost for , 1halfazorean at gmail.com
>> 
>> I googled my great grand mother’s name ( Nunes )and came across a thread 
>> with past relatives of her husband Antonio Noia! My great grand father 
>> naturally. Wow. It also lists their three children, my great aunt & uncle 
>> and my grandmother. Very interesting. It also mentions my mothers two 
>> brothers and not her or her two sisters or her!  Reading through all the 
>> past generation with all the familiar last names and some of the first names 
>> is amazing. Sure wish my mom was alive to see this information. 
>>   My question is, where did the Noia name begin? António Fraga sees to have 
>> started it all in the Azores, Flores. Fraga, Carvalho, Pimentel, De Jesus 
>> are also mentioned. I don’t see where the name Noia actually enters the 
>> family!?  Also mentioned is that, Noia was shortened or altered once 
>> arriving in America. 
>> Anyway, any comments welcome 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Joy,

Glad you found something. What was your island for the baptism of your
Joao? The district archive of Angra covers all 9 of the Azores islands.

Also, there's no place called "Lagoas" on Pico. There's no place called
"Lagoas" at all in the Azores. There's a Lagoa, but that's over on the
island of Sao Miguel. The only place with an "L" on Pico is Lajes. Hope
that is what you meant. Cheri

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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Peter O'Shea 
wrote:

> Cheri
>
>
>
> Thank you for your information.
>
>
>
> I now have a Register of Birth which specifies the name Joao de Sousa born
> 27 May 1847.  Place of birth Ponta Delgada – District of Angra (Azores –
> Portugal).  Father’s name Jose de Sousa born Ponta Delgada.  Mother Tereza
> De Jesus born Lagoas da Ilha do Pico.
>
>
>
> I will check the websites you and others have forwarded to me.  Much
> appreciate your assistance.
>
>
>
> Joy
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 May 2018 1:53 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada
> (no island specified)
>
>
>
> Joy,
>
> There's a Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island and another on Flores island.
>
> On both islands, Ponta Delgada can refer to the city itself, or the
> county/province.
>
> Since you believe you have the birth date, search the baptisms on line at
> the Azores government site, the CCA. Start with the city itself, then move
> to the other churches outside the city, but within the council
> (county/province).
>
> https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores
>
> Pick the island from the left column, then the council of Ponta Delgada,
> then start looking for every Joao born on 25 May 1847.
> If you need maps as you expand your search, go to the Azores Gen Web here:
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/
>
> Good luck, Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no island specified)

[Peter O'Shea]

Cheri

Thank you for your information.

I now have a Register of Birth which specifies the name Joao de Sousa born 27 
May 1847.  Place of birth Ponta Delgada – District of Angra (Azores – 
Portugal).  Father’s name Jose de Sousa born Ponta Delgada.  Mother Tereza De 
Jesus born Lagoas da Ilha do Pico.

I will check the websites you and others have forwarded to me.  Much appreciate 
your assistance.

Joy

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018 1:53 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joao da Souza born 1847, Ponta Delgada (no 
island specified)

Joy,

There's a Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island and another on Flores island.

On both islands, Ponta Delgada can refer to the city itself, or the 
county/province.

Since you believe you have the birth date, search the baptisms on line at the 
Azores government site, the CCA. Start with the city itself, then move to the 
other churches outside the city, but within the council (county/province).

https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores

Pick the island from the left column, then the council of Ponta Delgada, then 
start looking for every Joao born on 25 May 1847.
If you need maps as you expand your search, go to the Azores Gen Web here: 
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/

Good luck, Cheri Mello
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