Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan for
you. Good to know.

Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
is for your reference:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get detailed
> info,but still very useful.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Altino,
>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>> 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>>> provide that link.
>>>
>>> Altino
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
>>> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
 of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
 Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
 find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
 or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.

 The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
 period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
 followed a format.

 They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
 charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
 information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
 death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
 knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
 great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
 marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
 "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
 paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
 Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
 believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
 furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
 her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
 tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.

 The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
 from the 1700s.

 Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
 own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
 guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.

 They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
 different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
 inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
 Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
 personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
 that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
 will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
 computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
 from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
 utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
 or you mess it up for future genealogists.

 Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
 Archives Catalog.
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Res

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joe Matias]

Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get detailed
info,but still very useful.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Altino,
> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
> 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>
>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>> provide that link.
>>
>> Altino
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>
>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
>> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
>>> of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find
>>> them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or
>>> perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>>
>>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>>> followed a format.
>>>
>>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
>>> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
>>> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
>>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
>>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>>
>>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
>>> from the 1700s.
>>>
>>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
>>> own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
>>> guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>>>
>>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
>>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
>>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
>>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
>>> personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
>>> that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
>>> will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
>>> computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
>>> from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
>>> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>>> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>>>
>>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
>>> Archives Catalog.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Wow, great luck, Joseph!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Joseph Mendonca 
wrote:

> I was able to order an inventory last year belonging to a cousin of mine
> that assisted me in determining our exact relationship.  His inventory was
> 204 pages (back and front) and would have cost me  €132,60 at  €0,65 per
> image.  The archive wrote me and advised that only the first 17 pages were
> of genealogical value and would only cost  €11,05.  In the letter they
> gave a brief description of the contents prior to ordering.  After I sent
> them the money via a bank transfer they sent the images via zip file to my
> email address..
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Altino,
>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>> 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>>
>>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>>> provide that link.
>>>
>>> Altino
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
>>> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
 of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
 Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
 find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
 or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.

 The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
 period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
 followed a format.

 They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
 charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
 information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
 death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
 knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
 great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
 marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
 "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
 paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
 Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
 believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
 furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
 her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
 tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.

 The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
 from the 1700s.

 Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
 own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
 guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.

 They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
 different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
 inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
 Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
 personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
 that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
 will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
 computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
 from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
 utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
 or you mess it up for future genealogists.

 Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joseph Mendonca]

I was able to order an inventory last year belonging to a cousin of mine
that assisted me in determining our exact relationship.  His inventory was
204 pages (back and front) and would have cost me  €132,60 at  €0,65 per
image.  The archive wrote me and advised that only the first 17 pages were
of genealogical value and would only cost  €11,05.  In the letter they gave
a brief description of the contents prior to ordering.  After I sent them
the money via a bank transfer they sent the images via zip file to my email
address..

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Altino,
> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
> 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>
>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>> provide that link.
>>
>> Altino
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>>
>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
>> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
>>> of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find
>>> them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or
>>> perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>>
>>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>>> followed a format.
>>>
>>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
>>> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially
>>> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
>>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
>>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>>
>>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
>>> from the 1700s.
>>>
>>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
>>> own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
>>> guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>>>
>>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
>>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
>>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
>>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
>>> personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand
>>> that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
>>> will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
>>> computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
>>> from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
>>> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>>> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>>>
>>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
>>> Archives Catalog.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cathy Bourgeois]

This is the first time an ancestor of mine is in Graciosa..most are from Sao 
Miguel.  I don’t read Portuguese so I have all my records translated by Joao 
Ventura.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:42 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

I do see the words "living above _" (moradores asima* of _) *= should 
be acima. End of line 3. Maybe that's Nossa Senhora do Rosario?


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757_item1/P88.html
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
Cathy B,
 
Did the record that you found say Guadalupe or Rosario?
 
Yeah, weird things I learned when becoming a teacher...syllables.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
You are correct, Cheri.  I found the record in Guadalupe!  Thanks for the hint!
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a name 
change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list of 
churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa
 
At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are looking for 
an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
 
Thanks for your help.
I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
Cathy
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or Nossa 
Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is only one.
 
I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao Jose 
in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That should 
help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias if 
someone doesn’t know.  
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at the 
AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps someone 
with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer. 
 


Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do Rozario” on 
Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island, what freguesia 
would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right hand side).
 
I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the 
tombo.pt site.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
 
Thanks,
Cathy Bourgeois
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cheri Mello]

I do see the words "living above _" (moradores asima* of _) *=
should be acima. End of line 3. Maybe that's Nossa Senhora do Rosario?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-
> SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757_item1/P88.html
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 5:35 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> Cathy B,
>
>
>
> Did the record that you found say Guadalupe or Rosario?
>
>
>
> Yeah, weird things I learned when becoming a teacher...syllables.
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You are correct, Cheri.  I found the record in Guadalupe!  Thanks for the
> hint!
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a
> name change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list
> of churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
>
> https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%
> B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa
>
>
>
> At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are looking
> for an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or
> Nossa Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is
> only one.
>
>
>
> I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao
> Jose in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That
> should help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias
> if someone doesn’t know.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at
> the AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps
> someone with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer.
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do
> Rozario” on Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island,
> what freguesia would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right
> hand side).
>
>
>
> I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the
> tombo.pt site.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cathy Bourgeois
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Altino,
That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Joe, you can research from home here :
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>
> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can provide
> that link.
>
> Altino
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
>> of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find
>> them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or
>> perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>
>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>> followed a format.
>>
>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge
>> of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14
>> pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>
>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
>> from the 1700s.
>>
>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own
>> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy
>> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>>
>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal
>> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if
>> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But
>> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I
>> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the
>> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
>> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>>
>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
>> Archives Catalog.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cathy Bourgeois]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757_item1/P88.html


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

Cathy B,

Did the record that you found say Guadalupe or Rosario?

Yeah, weird things I learned when becoming a teacher...syllables.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
You are correct, Cheri.  I found the record in Guadalupe!  Thanks for the hint!
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a name 
change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list of 
churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa
 
At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are looking for 
an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
 
Thanks for your help.
I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
Cathy
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or Nossa 
Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is only one.
 
I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao Jose 
in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That should 
help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias if 
someone doesn’t know.  
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at the 
AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps someone 
with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer. 
 


Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do Rozario” on 
Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island, what freguesia 
would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right hand side).
 
I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the 
tombo.pt site.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
 
Thanks,
Cathy Bourgeois
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cathy Bourgeois]

Guadalupe.

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

Cathy B,

Did the record that you found say Guadalupe or Rosario?

Yeah, weird things I learned when becoming a teacher...syllables.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
You are correct, Cheri.  I found the record in Guadalupe!  Thanks for the hint!
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a name 
change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list of 
churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa
 
At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are looking for 
an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
 
Thanks for your help.
I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
Cathy
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or Nossa 
Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is only one.
 
I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao Jose 
in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That should 
help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias if 
someone doesn’t know.  
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at the 
AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps someone 
with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer. 
 


Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do Rozario” on 
Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island, what freguesia 
would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right hand side).
 
I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the 
tombo.pt site.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
 
Thanks,
Cathy Bourgeois
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cheri Mello]

Cathy B,

Did the record that you found say Guadalupe or Rosario?

Yeah, weird things I learned when becoming a teacher...syllables.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You are correct, Cheri.  I found the record in Guadalupe!  Thanks for the
> hint!
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a
> name change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list
> of churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
>
> https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%
> B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa
>
>
>
> At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are looking
> for an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or
> Nossa Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is
> only one.
>
>
>
> I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao
> Jose in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That
> should help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias
> if someone doesn’t know.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at
> the AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps
> someone with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer.
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do
> Rozario” on Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island,
> what freguesia would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right
> hand side).
>
>
>
> I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the
> tombo.pt site.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cathy Bourgeois
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

['Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy]

Joe, you can research from home here :
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx

You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can provide that 
link.

Altino

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> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
> 
> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your 
> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use of 
>> the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives Catalog at 
>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find them for other 
>> islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or perhaps the 
>> inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>> 
>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time period. 
>> The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and followed a 
>> format.
>> 
>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge of 
>> their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14 pages 
>> of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of information). 
>> The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the death certificate 
>> with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine knew for that time 
>> period. They named children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren if they had 
>> any. If you can read the births and marriages, then you already know the 
>> words of "filhos" and "netos." "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some 
>> listed relatives on the paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal 
>> side "pelo lada materna," Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the 
>> page. Some listed what I believe were people they owed. Some listed what 
>> they owned, as in the furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had 
>> a declaration from her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting 
>> on my cousin to tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>> 
>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist from 
>> the 1700s. 
>> 
>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own 
>> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy 
>> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>> 
>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a 
>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the 
>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means 
>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal 
>> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if 
>> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But 
>> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I 
>> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the 
>> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those utilizing 
>> the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet or you mess 
>> it up for future genealogists.
>> 
>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the 
>> Archives Catalog.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cathy Bourgeois]

You are correct, Cheri.  I found the record in Guadalupe!  Thanks for the hint!

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a name 
change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list of 
churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa

At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are looking for 
an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
 
Thanks for your help.
I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
Cathy
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or Nossa 
Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is only one.
 
I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao Jose 
in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That should 
help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias if 
someone doesn’t know.  
 
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From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at the 
AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps someone 
with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer. 
 


Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do Rozario” on 
Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island, what freguesia 
would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right hand side).
 
I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the 
tombo.pt site.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
 
Thanks,
Cathy Bourgeois
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Joe M,

They explicitly stated that the inventories are NOT to be on the Internet.
If they were on the Internet they would not have told me NOT to post any of
the images online.

You have to go there to view them or hire a researcher. That's the only
ways I know of.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
> search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use
>> of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find
>> them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or
>> perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>
>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>> followed a format.
>>
>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge
>> of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14
>> pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>
>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
>> from the 1700s.
>>
>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own
>> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy
>> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>>
>> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
>> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
>> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
>> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal
>> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if
>> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But
>> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I
>> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the
>> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
>> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
>> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>>
>> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
>> Archives Catalog.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cathy Bourgeois]

Thanks, Cheri.  You are right, so maybe I have a chance of finding it!

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a name 
change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list of 
churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa

At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are looking for 
an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  
wrote:
Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
 
Thanks for your help.
I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
Cathy
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or Nossa 
Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is only one.
 
I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao Jose 
in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That should 
help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias if 
someone doesn’t know.  
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at the 
AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps someone 
with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer. 
 


Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do Rozario” on 
Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island, what freguesia 
would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right hand side).
 
I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the 
tombo.pt site.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
 
Thanks,
Cathy Bourgeois
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cheri Mello]

I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a
name change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list
of churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa

At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are looking
for an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or
> Nossa Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is
> only one.
>
>
>
> I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao
> Jose in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That
> should help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias
> if someone doesn’t know.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at
> the AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps
> someone with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer.
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do
> Rozario” on Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island,
> what freguesia would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right
> hand side).
>
>
>
> I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the
> tombo.pt site.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cathy Bourgeois
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joe Matias]

Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of your
search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?


On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive use of
> the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives Catalog
> at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to find them for
> other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them or perhaps the
> inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>
> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
> followed a format.
>
> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in charge
> of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so potentially 14
> pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that medicine
> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada materna,"
> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>
> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
> from the 1700s.
>
> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to own
> property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one guy
> owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>
> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own personal
> page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I understand that if
> the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that will. But
> they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my computer so I
> could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information from the
> documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for those
> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on the Internet
> or you mess it up for future genealogists.
>
> Hopefully the other archives will get their inventories/wills up on the
> Archives Catalog.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cathy Bourgeois]

Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html

Thanks for your help.
I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
Cathy

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or Nossa 
Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is only one.

I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao Jose 
in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That should 
help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri


Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias if 
someone doesn’t know.  
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
 
Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at the 
AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps someone 
with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer. 
 


Rosemarie 
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
 
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do Rozario” on 
Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island, what freguesia 
would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right hand side).
 
I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the 
tombo.pt site.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
 
Thanks,
Cathy Bourgeois
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cheri Mello]

My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or Nossa
Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is only one.

I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao
Jose in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That
should help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias
> if someone doesn’t know.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>
>
>
> Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at
> the AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps
> someone with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer.
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do
> Rozario” on Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island,
> what freguesia would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right
> hand side).
>
>
>
> I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the
> tombo.pt site.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cathy Bourgeois
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cathy Bourgeois]

Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias if 
someone doesn’t know.  

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at the 
AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps someone 
with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer. 



Rosemarie 
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois 
 wrote:
The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do Rozario” on 
Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island, what freguesia 
would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right hand side).
 
I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the 
tombo.pt site.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
 
Thanks,
Cathy Bourgeois
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at
the AzoresGenWeb site) Maybe it's just a name of a neighborhood? Perhaps
someone with more experience on Graciosa can chime in with an answer.


Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Cathy Bourgeois <
cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do
> Rozario” on Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island,
> what freguesia would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right
> hand side).
>
>
>
> I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the
> tombo.pt site.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cathy Bourgeois
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cathy Bourgeois]

The record link below says the father is from frequesia “Senhora do Rozario” on 
Graciosa Island.  Not being very familiar with that island, what freguesia 
would that be under now?  (The record for Manuel – right hand side).

I only see freguesias: Guadelupe, Luz, Santa Cruz and Sao Mateus on the 
tombo.pt site.

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1769-1776_item1/P176.html

Thanks,
Cathy Bourgeois

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] "New Bedford and Fall River Vital Records to 1968"

[Liz Migliori]

Excellent information.  Thank you Rosemarie

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> On Jul 22, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> I was talking to a friend about the New Bedford info on vitals. I work at the 
> FHC here in Seaside I thought that some of these records were available  for 
> later dates,this is what he wrote: 
> 
> Familysearch, Ancestry, and other websites have Massachusetts Birth, 
> Marriage, and Death Records available until around 1915 with actual images of 
> the records.  Records going up to 1920 (an extra 5 years) are available 
> online in one Familysearch Collection "Massachusetts State Vital Records, 
> 1841-1920".  Many of the records from 1915-1920 are online but not indexed. 
> You can browse through the images by date city and date and find the records 
> that you are looking for that way. There are many indexes available for the 
> later years such as some Massachusetts Death Indexes on Ancestry that span 
> from 1901-1980 and 1970-2003, but these do not include the actual records.
> 
> While they have not been digitized as of yet, the LDS church has microfilms 
> of the Fall River AND New Bedford Birth & Marriage Certificates all the way 
> to 1968!  I have a cousin who works in the Salt Lake City library.  She 
> looked at the films for me and confirmed that these are indeed the actual 
> certificates, and are complete for the whole town. There are typescript 
> indexes on each film.  She also told me that because the material is so 
> recent and would contain living people, they will most likely not become 
> available online anytime in the near future. Apparently FamilySearch has also 
> them earmarked for "no circulation" and the post 1915 records are not 
> available at any Family History Center other than in Salt Lake City. Even 
> back when you could request microfilms be sent out to your local center these 
> were not available.
> 
> With the upcoming Salt Lake City trip, perhaps someone will want to check 
> those films.
> 
> You can get a list of the microfilm numbers and coverage here: 
> 
> Fall River Microfilms: 
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/234068?availability=Family%20History%20Library
> New Bedford Microfilms: 
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/819611?availability=Family%20History%20Library
> 
> I have many ancestors in Massachusetts on all sides of my family - most of 
> whom resided there since the early/mid 1600s.  I can tell you with great 
> certainty that this is relatively unique, and does not apply to the vast 
> majority of Massachusetts towns.
> 
> So, like many other records, you can see them in Salt Lake City but not 
> anywhere else! Even the Portuguese records of the Azores which the Family 
> History Library has digitized can only be accessed online if you have an LDS 
> person sign you in on the
> computer
> 
> Rosemarie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PASSPORT DESTINATIONS

[Hana Johnson]

Hi Maria,

I assume that Brazil was not expected as a destination. Are you positively
sure that passport record is of your ancestor? If you are certain it is
yours, then there must be an interesting story.

My ancestors from Ginetes left for Hawaii. In the destination column it
says Hawaii and there are ditto marks down the page. I think it even names
the ship as the Vapor (hard to read). The record in Hawaii states they came
on the Hanza or Hansa. The ship was actually the Vapor Hanza. The passport
date is July 1, 1882 and they arrived in Honolulu on September 15, 1882. It
appears that the ship was full of passengers leaving for Hawaii. Hawaii is
half a world away from Sao Miguel and, once they got here, they never left.
Brazil is not so isolated, but I would think that was the destination.

The passport was for Brazil. If they had enough money and were not happy in
Brazil, they could have left. Also, consider the reason for leaving and how
many and how often were ships picking up passengers and whether or not it
was a passenger ship.

My ancestors were illiterate and came here to work as farmers. According to
my mother, there were many relatives who came around the same time on
different ships. All of them came to work for the sugar industry.
Unfortunately, I don’t know who they all were, yet. Even if they had wanted
to leave Hawaii, that generation didn’t have the means to. It makes it a
little easier for me to research.

I have been researching my husband’s ancestors, a married couple with
children, who emigrated from Germany to Venezuela in the late 1800’s. It is
clear that several left to New York, but not all together, and there was
someone, also from Germany, in New York City to receive them. One son
stayed behind and settled in Venezuela where my husband is from.

I also have Danish ancestors who emigrated to Chicago. It took decades to
learn that an older cousin who had emigrated first, married well and
settled in New York, had been sponsoring their passage to America little by
little. They disembarked in New York but were received by immigrations in
Chicago.

It’s a long shot, but if Brazil was not where your Portuguese ancestors
wanted to be, and going back to the Azores was not an option, with money
and maybe a little help, they could have easily moved on. Anything is
possible.

Aloha,
Hana

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:13 AM Maria Lima  wrote:

> If the destination says "BRAZIL" then does that mean the person had to
> actually leave for BRAZIL?   Was it customary to say you wanted passport
> for one country and then go to another?
>
> Im looking around 1882/83 and most of the Destination columns are for
> Brazil only with Ditto marks all the way down the page.I've been
> reading every name but  maybe  I just look for those going to America and
> read from right to left.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dispensations

[Cheri Mello]

JR,

I'll have to see if I still have the request for Sao Miguel, 1770-1775.
They brought me more, as that is how it was packaged. There were only 3
dispensations. I want to say they brought me 1750-1775 and only 3 existed
for that whole time period for the whole island (and Sao Miguel is the most
populated island). As I said, very hit and miss, with more on the "miss"
side. Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:56 PM, JR  wrote:

> Hey, thanks for all that information. I have some early ancestors in Ponta
> Garca that received dispensations in pre and early 1700's stating 4th
> degree consanguinity. If ever I found the document that could take some of
> my ancestors back to 1600 or before. Maybe one day...
>
> JR
>
>
> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 5:01:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> For those interested in the dispensations:
>>
>> A dispensation is what a couple needed to obtain when they were going to
>> marry a relative. The dispensation should contain interviews with the
>> couple and how they are related (will state the lineage).
>>
>> Because the Diocese for the Azores is in Angra, the dispensations are
>> housed in the Angra archive.
>>
>> The dispensations are very hit and miss. I'd say more on the "miss" side.
>> They have only what they have. Many dispensations no longer exist.
>>
>> The first photo (80244) shows the request I made to see some
>> dispensations. They call them "Dispensations of Matrimony" so that is what
>> I called them. I am in their country, so I write in Portuguese. I include
>> the island and the years I want. Not all years exist.
>>
>> The next photo (92811) shows how the dispensations come. They are bound
>> up in packets, tied with a cotton ribbon. You can see a couple of other
>> packets to the side.
>>
>> Photo 920845 shows what it looks like when you open the packet. There's a
>> stack of dispensations. They are chronological. You have to look through
>> them.
>>
>> Photo 92945 shows a later dispensation. It names the bride and groom and
>> to the right, states the degree. The left states the church. The older ones
>> are not as nice as this. Some are a few pages and some are many pages. They
>> all varied.
>>
>> Photo 94345 shows 50 years of dispensations on Pico. The third most
>> populated island. That's not the much considering how intermarried the
>> Azoreans are.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PASSPORT DESTINATIONS

[Cheri Mello]

Yes. If they were going somewhere else, it would say something like "país
estrangeiro."

It seems like there were waves of immigration to certain areas. I see the
Brazil group, the Sandwich Isles group (Hawaii), and the America group,
with a few others scattered in.

Remember, not all passaportes exist. There are gaps. The port of Ponta
Delgada has gaps in the 1880s.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> If the destination says "BRAZIL" then does that mean the person had to
> actually leave for BRAZIL?   Was it customary to say you wanted passport
> for one country and then go to another?
>
> Im looking around 1882/83 and most of the Destination columns are for
> Brazil only with Ditto marks all the way down the page.I've been
> reading every name but  maybe  I just look for those going to America and
> read from right to left.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Maria Elena
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Francisco Jose Cordeiro and Maria Isabel

[bsei2816]

Thanks again Margaret. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] "New Bedford and Fall River Vital Records to 1968"

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

You are welcome!

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Thank you, Rosemarie!
>
> Margaret
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:33 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> I was talking to a friend about the New Bedford info on vitals. I work at
>> the FHC here in Seaside I thought that some of these records were
>> available  for later dates,this is what he wrote:
>>
>> Familysearch, Ancestry, and other websites have Massachusetts Birth,
>> Marriage, and Death Records available until around 1915 with actual images
>> of the records.  Records going up to 1920 (an extra 5 years) are available
>> online in one Familysearch Collection "Massachusetts State Vital
>> Records, 1841-1920".  Many of the records from 1915-1920 are online but not
>> indexed. You can browse through the images by date city and date and find
>> the records that you are looking for that way. There* are* many indexes
>> available for the later years such as some Massachusetts Death Indexes on
>> Ancestry that span from 1901-1980 and 1970-2003, but these do not include
>> the actual records.
>>
>> While they have not been digitized as of yet, the LDS church has
>> microfilms of the *Fall River AND New Bedford Birth & Marriage
>> Certificates all the way to 1968*!  I have a cousin who works in the
>> Salt Lake City library.  She looked at the films for me and confirmed that
>> these are indeed the actual certificates, and are complete for the whole
>> town. There are typescript indexes on each film.  She also told me that
>> because the material is so recent and would contain living people, they
>> will most likely not become available online anytime in the near future.
>> Apparently FamilySearch has also them earmarked for "no circulation" and
>> the post 1915 records are not available at any Family History Center other
>> than in Salt Lake City. Even back when you could request microfilms be sent
>> out to your local center these were not available.
>>
>> With the upcoming Salt Lake City trip, perhaps someone will want to check
>> those films.
>>
>> You can get a list of the microfilm numbers and coverage here:
>>
>> Fall River Microfilms: https://www.familysearch.org/search/
>> catalog/234068?availability=Family%20History%20Library
>> New Bedford Microfilms: https://www.familysearch.org/search/
>> catalog/819611?availability=Family%20History%20Library
>>
>> I have many ancestors in Massachusetts on all sides of my family - most
>> of whom resided there since the early/mid 1600s.  I can tell you with great
>> certainty that this is relatively unique, and does not apply to the vast
>> majority of Massachusetts towns.
>>
>> So, like many other records, you can see them in Salt Lake City but not
>> anywhere else! Even the Portuguese records of the Azores which the Family
>> History Library has digitized can only be accessed online if you have an
>> LDS person sign you in on the
>> computer
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] "New Bedford and Fall River Vital Records to 1968"

[Margaret Vicente]

Thank you, Rosemarie!

Margaret

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:33 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> I was talking to a friend about the New Bedford info on vitals. I work at
> the FHC here in Seaside I thought that some of these records were
> available  for later dates,this is what he wrote:
>
> Familysearch, Ancestry, and other websites have Massachusetts Birth,
> Marriage, and Death Records available until around 1915 with actual images
> of the records.  Records going up to 1920 (an extra 5 years) are available
> online in one Familysearch Collection "Massachusetts State Vital Records,
> 1841-1920".  Many of the records from 1915-1920 are online but not indexed.
> You can browse through the images by date city and date and find the
> records that you are looking for that way. There* are* many indexes
> available for the later years such as some Massachusetts Death Indexes on
> Ancestry that span from 1901-1980 and 1970-2003, but these do not include
> the actual records.
>
> While they have not been digitized as of yet, the LDS church has
> microfilms of the *Fall River AND New Bedford Birth & Marriage
> Certificates all the way to 1968*!  I have a cousin who works in the Salt
> Lake City library.  She looked at the films for me and confirmed that these
> are indeed the actual certificates, and are complete for the whole town.
> There are typescript indexes on each film.  She also told me that because
> the material is so recent and would contain living people, they will most
> likely not become available online anytime in the near future. Apparently 
> FamilySearch
> has also them earmarked for "no circulation" and the post 1915 records are
> not available at any Family History Center other than in Salt Lake City.
> Even back when you could request microfilms be sent out to your local
> center these were not available.
>
> With the upcoming Salt Lake City trip, perhaps someone will want to check
> those films.
>
> You can get a list of the microfilm numbers and coverage here:
>
> Fall River Microfilms:
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/234068?availability=Family%20History%20Library
> New Bedford Microfilms:
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/819611?availability=Family%20History%20Library
>
> I have many ancestors in Massachusetts on all sides of my family - most of
> whom resided there since the early/mid 1600s.  I can tell you with great
> certainty that this is relatively unique, and does not apply to the vast
> majority of Massachusetts towns.
>
> So, like many other records, you can see them in Salt Lake City but not
> anywhere else! Even the Portuguese records of the Azores which the Family
> History Library has digitized can only be accessed online if you have an
> LDS person sign you in on the
> computer
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Francisco Jose Cordeiro and Maria Isabel

[Margaret Vicente]

Bill,

What it is saying is that there were no impediments arising from the
announcements/Alvara which was to be deposited in the Archives. It's all
standard. If you check the other records you will note the same process.
The remainder is also standard, nothing out of the ordinary.

Best,
Margaret

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 10:11 PM  wrote:

> I found a marriage this morning that I've been trying to find for about
> three years.  An Urzelina, Sao Jorge baptism from 1852 said they married on
> Sao Miguel Island but didn't name a freguesia. I found it in Sao Sebastiao,
> Ponta Delgada.
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html*
> 
> (starts bottom left and continues on right)
>
> The groom is from Sao Mateus da Praia, Graciosa and the bride from Santo
> Amaro, Sao Jorge.  I now know that they married in July 1849 in Ponta
> Delgada (Sao Sebastiao); had a son Manuel born five months later in Praia,
> Graciosa; and a son born in Urzelina, Sao Jorge in 1852 (who died after
> four months) and another (my wife's great grandfather) in Urzelina in 1854.
>
> There is text beginning on line 5 and continuing on the next page that I
> think is saying that a ruling was made that nothing resulted in impediments
> and this document was deposited in the archive of this matrix but I'm not
> sure I fully get it.  Is there anything of importance here?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dispensations

[Margaret Vicente]

Thank you, Cheri!

Margaret

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:49 AM MaryAnn Santos  wrote:

> Wow, Cheri! Thank you for sharing - this is great. I have quite a number
> of ancestors who married relatives. This will be good for me to research if
> I every get to retire!
>
> MaryAnn
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> For those interested in the dispensations:
>>
>> A dispensation is what a couple needed to obtain when they were going to
>> marry a relative. The dispensation should contain interviews with the
>> couple and how they are related (will state the lineage).
>>
>> Because the Diocese for the Azores is in Angra, the dispensations are
>> housed in the Angra archive.
>>
>> The dispensations are very hit and miss. I'd say more on the "miss" side.
>> They have only what they have. Many dispensations no longer exist.
>>
>> The first photo (80244) shows the request I made to see some
>> dispensations. They call them "Dispensations of Matrimony" so that is what
>> I called them. I am in their country, so I write in Portuguese. I include
>> the island and the years I want. Not all years exist.
>>
>> The next photo (92811) shows how the dispensations come. They are bound
>> up in packets, tied with a cotton ribbon. You can see a couple of other
>> packets to the side.
>>
>> Photo 920845 shows what it looks like when you open the packet. There's a
>> stack of dispensations. They are chronological. You have to look through
>> them.
>>
>> Photo 92945 shows a later dispensation. It names the bride and groom and
>> to the right, states the degree. The left states the church. The older ones
>> are not as nice as this. Some are a few pages and some are many pages. They
>> all varied.
>>
>> Photo 94345 shows 50 years of dispensations on Pico. The third most
>> populated island. That's not the much considering how intermarried the
>> Azoreans are.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] PASSPORT DESTINATIONS

[Maria Lima]

If the destination says "BRAZIL" then does that mean the person had to actually 
leave for BRAZIL?   Was it customary to say you wanted passport for one country 
and then go to another?  

Im looking around 1882/83 and most of the Destination columns are for Brazil 
only with Ditto marks all the way down the page.I've been reading every 
name but  maybe  I just look for those going to America and read from right to 
left. 

Thanks.  

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dispensations

[MaryAnn Santos]

Wow, Cheri! Thank you for sharing - this is great. I have quite a number of
ancestors who married relatives. This will be good for me to research if I
every get to retire!

MaryAnn

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> For those interested in the dispensations:
>
> A dispensation is what a couple needed to obtain when they were going to
> marry a relative. The dispensation should contain interviews with the
> couple and how they are related (will state the lineage).
>
> Because the Diocese for the Azores is in Angra, the dispensations are
> housed in the Angra archive.
>
> The dispensations are very hit and miss. I'd say more on the "miss" side.
> They have only what they have. Many dispensations no longer exist.
>
> The first photo (80244) shows the request I made to see some
> dispensations. They call them "Dispensations of Matrimony" so that is what
> I called them. I am in their country, so I write in Portuguese. I include
> the island and the years I want. Not all years exist.
>
> The next photo (92811) shows how the dispensations come. They are bound up
> in packets, tied with a cotton ribbon. You can see a couple of other
> packets to the side.
>
> Photo 920845 shows what it looks like when you open the packet. There's a
> stack of dispensations. They are chronological. You have to look through
> them.
>
> Photo 92945 shows a later dispensation. It names the bride and groom and
> to the right, states the degree. The left states the church. The older ones
> are not as nice as this. Some are a few pages and some are many pages. They
> all varied.
>
> Photo 94345 shows 50 years of dispensations on Pico. The third most
> populated island. That's not the much considering how intermarried the
> Azoreans are.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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