Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread bsei2816
Hi Sam

Looks like Angela may have really come through for you.  Did you notice 
that your Maria do Rosario was born in Ponta Delgada, (parish of Sao 
Pedro).  The Joao Sousa Palheiro Angela's post refers to was from Ponta 
Delgada as well.  I think it says the parents on this baptism were married 
in Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, but live in Sao Pedro, Vila do 
Porto, Santa Maria.

Best of luck,
Bill Seidler

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:50:13 PM UTC-8, Ângela Loura wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> I just checked and there's a thread from 
> 
>  
> 2009 about Sousa Palheiro
>
> linda > escreveu no dia domingo, 
> 3/03/2019 à(s) 23:12:
>
>> Joao de Sousa Balheiro?
>>
>> :)
>>
>> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:02:35 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with 
>>> the maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t 
>>> really look like Pinheiro to me but;….
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread Ângela Loura
Sam,

I just checked and there's a thread from
 2009
about Sousa Palheiro

linda  escreveu no dia domingo, 3/03/2019 à(s)
23:12:

> Joao de Sousa Balheiro?
>
> :)
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:02:35 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with
>> the maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t
>> really look like Pinheiro to me but;….
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread Ângela Loura
Hi Sam,

João de Sousa Palheiro

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 3/03/2019 à(s) 23:02:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html
>
>
>
> Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with
> the maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t
> really look like Pinheiro to me but;….
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread Leonor Bertoni
The translation for Palheiro is hayloft or haystack.

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 18:27, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks Linda.  That looks like a good possibility.  Any other thoughts
> anyone.  Anyone see this name before?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *linda 
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 3, 2019 4:12 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help eiro, Vila do Porto,
> Santa Maria
>
>
>
> Joao de Sousa Balheiro?
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:02:35 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html
>
>
>
> Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with
> the maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t
> really look like Pinheiro to me but;….
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread Leonor Bertoni
It looks like Palheiro to me. Palheiro could be a last name or a nickname.
Palha is straw in English, Palheiro could me an occupation but normally,
the grandparents' occupations are not listed. Palheiro means someone who
works with straw or the shed where straw is kept.

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 18:27, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks Linda.  That looks like a good possibility.  Any other thoughts
> anyone.  Anyone see this name before?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *linda 
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 3, 2019 4:12 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help eiro, Vila do Porto,
> Santa Maria
>
>
>
> Joao de Sousa Balheiro?
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:02:35 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html
>
>
>
> Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with
> the maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t
> really look like Pinheiro to me but;….
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
>
>
> [image:
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
Thanks Linda.  That looks like a good possibility.  Any other thoughts anyone.  
Anyone see this name before?

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: linda
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 4:12 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
Maria

Joao de Sousa Balheiro?

:)

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html
 
Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with the 
maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t really look 
like Pinheiro to me but;….
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread linda

Scratch that "B"!  The letter looks like the "P" in "Sao Pedro".  Palheiro, 
except that doesn't look like a name-- could it be an occupation?

trying to help, not muddy things up..
:)

Linda



On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:12:26 PM UTC-8, linda wrote:
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> Joao de Sousa Balheiro?
>
> :)
>
> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 3:02:35 PM UTC-8, Sam Koester wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with 
>> the maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t 
>> really look like Pinheiro to me but;….
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread linda
Joao de Sousa Balheiro?

:)

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>
>  
>
> Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with 
> the maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t 
> really look like Pinheiro to me but;….
>
>  
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Surname help ????eiro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-03-03 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1890-1899_item1/P4.html

Top right side.  I have everything except …..   Can anyone help me with the 
maternal grandfather’s surname?  Joao de Sousa eiro  It doesn’t really look 
like Pinheiro to me but;….

Thanks in advance,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joâo Borges and Anna da Cunha (early 17th century)

2019-03-03 Thread Diego Santos
Thank your very much for your kind answers. All of them were very helpful.
I wonder if there are documents (leaving aside Church Records) that allow
us to know Joâo and Ana's parents.
Diego

El mié., 27 feb. 2019 a las 23:41, Philippe GARNIER (<
philippegarnier...@gmail.com>) escribió:

> Hi Diego,
>
> O que tenho das primeiras geracões de João Borges e Ana da Cunha de
> vasconcelos.
>
> Abs
>
> Philippe Garnier
> Paris - France
>
> http://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira
>
>
> *Modified Register para João BORGES*
>
>
>
> *Primeira Geração*
>
>
>
>   1.* João BORGES* nasceu em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
>
> João casou-se com *Ana DA CUNHA DE VASCONCELOS*. Ana nasceu em Lajes -
> Terceira (Açores).
>
>
>
> Eles tiveram os seguintes filhos
>
>
>
> +  2 Mi.*   Manoel DA CUNHA*.
>
>
>
> +  3 Fii.*   Maria DA CUNHA DE VASCONCELOS*.
>
>
>
> +  4 M  iii.*   Antônio MENDES BORGES*.
>
>
>
> +  5 M  iv.*   Miguel DA CUNHA BORGES*.
>
>
>
> +  6 Fv.*   Luzia MENDES DE VASCONCELOS*.
>
>
>
> *Segunda Geração*
>
>
>
>   2.* Manoel DA CUNHA* (João) nasceu em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
>
> Manoel casou-se com1 *Catarina DE SOUSA*, filha de Balthazar GONSALVES e
> Catarina PACHECO, em 26 novembro 1671 em Lages -Terceira (Açores). Catarina
> nasceu em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
>
>
>
> Eles tiveram os seguintes filhos
>
>7 F i.*   Maria de São Joseph* foi crismada2 em 18
> setembro 1672 em Lajes - Terceira (Açores) .
>
> Maria casou-se com3 *Antônio GONSALVES APOLINARIO*, filho de Antônio
> GONSALVES APOLINARIO e Leonor GONSALVES, em 1 abril 1715 em Lajes -
> Terceira (Açores). Antônio nasceu em Lajes - Terceira (Açores). Ele faleceu
> 4 em 1 maio 1740 em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
>
>8 Fii.*   Luzia DA CUNHA* nasceu em Lajes -
> Terceira (Açores).
>
> Luzia casou-se com5 *João DOS SANTOS*, filho de Lezuarte DE ANDRADE e
> Catarina SIMOIS, em 12 janeiro 1699 em Lajes - Terceira  (Açores). João foi
> crismado6 em 8 junho 1664 em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
>
>
>
> P.os o Alferes fr.co Ferraz e Barbora do Paraizo
>
>
>
>9 F   iii.*   Catarina de Jesus* nasceu em Lajes -
> Terceira (Açores). Ela faleceu7 em 10 janeiro 1725 em Vila Nova -
> Terceira (Açores).
>
> Catarina casou-se com9 (1) *Salvador LUCAS LOURENÇO*8, filho de
> Bartholomeo LOURENÇO e Maria VIEIRA, em 11 janeiro 1717 em Lajes - Terceira
> (Açores). Salvador nasceu em Vila Nova - Terceira (Açores). Ele faleceu10
> em 9 março 1723 em Vila Nova - Terceira (Açores).
>
> Catarina também casou-se com1 (2) *Antônio FERREIRA DE MELO*, filho de
> Francisco FERREIRA DE MELO e Luzia DE FARIA MACHADO, em 18 julho 1723 em
> Vila Nova - Terceira (Açores). Antônio nasceu em Vila Nova - Terceira
> (Açores).
>
>
>
>   3.* Maria DA CUNHA DE VASCONCELOS* (João) nasceu em Lajes -
> Terceira (Açores).
>
> Maria casou-se com12 *Manoel FERNANDES DE AREIA*, filho de Manoel
> FERNANDES e Barbara NUNES, em 24 novembro 1672 em São Miiguel o Archanjo
> das Lajes - Terceira (Açores). Manoel nasceu em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
>
>
>
> Eles tiveram os seguintes filhos
>
>  10 Mi.*   Manoel FERNANDES DE AREIA* nasceu em Lajes
> - Terceira (Açores).
>
> Manoel casou-se com13 (1) *Barbara LUCAS*, filha de Matheus VAZ DE
> AZEVEDO e Isabel LUCAS, em 3 maio 1700 em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
> Barbara nasceu em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
>
> Manoel também casou-se com1 (2) *Ursula Teresa de Jesus*, filha de Manoel
> JAQUES FURTADO e Maria da Conceição DA COSTA MALDONADO, em 16 fevereiro
> 1727 em Lajes - Terceira (Açores). Ursula foi crismada15 em 21 outubro
> 1693 em Lajes - Terceira (Açores) .
>
>  11 Fii.*   Ana DA CUNHA* nasceu em Lajes - Terceira
> (Açores).
>
> Ana casou-se com16 *Francisco NUNES APOLINARIO*, filho de Antônio
> GONSALVES APOLINARIO e Leonor GONSALVES, em 8 maio 1702 em Lajes - Terceira
> (Açores). Francisco foi crismado17 em 6 setembro 1668 em Lajes - Terceira
> (Açores).
>
>  12 M  iii.*   Francisca da Conceição* nasceu em Lajes -
> Terceira (Açores). Ele faleceu18 em 30 outubro 1729 em Lajes - Terceira
> (Açores).
>
> Francisca casou-se com19 *Domingos MARTINS TOSTE*, filha de Manoel
> MARTINS TOSTE e Beatris ALVERES VALADÃO, em 13 outubro 1702 em Lajes -
> Terceira (Açores). Domingos foi crismada20 em 14 dezembro 1673 em Lajes -
> Terceira (Açores) . Ela faleceu21 em 19 junho 1746 em Lajes - Terceira
> (Açores).
>
>
>
> P.os o R.do P.e Cura Nicolao dazere e An.to ferr.a e M.a Antunes, e M.a
> Antunes hua Avo e .
>
> .. dos bautizados
>
>
>
>   4.* Antônio MENDES BORGES* (João) nasceu em Lajes - Terceira
> (Açores).
>
> Antônio casou-se com22 *Francisca FERNANDES*, filha de Manoel FERNANDES
> PACHECO e Ana LUIS, em 28 novembro 1674 em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
> Francisca nasceu em Lajes - Terceira (Açores).
>
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another surname question: Santos and dos Santos

2019-03-03 Thread Marcos Saturno
Hi everyone,
Glad I was able to help.
Happy researching!
Marcos

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On 2 Mar 2019, at 20:37, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Marcos, Thank you for the excellent explanation.

Now, I just need to figure out when the de/da/do/dos is referring to a holy 
name/saint, a location or a family.  But; we all thrive on challenges, don’t 
we!?

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Marcos Saturno
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 12:49 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another surname question: Santos and dos Santos

Hi everyone,
Maybe as I was born and brought up in Brazil and speak Portuguese as my first 
language I could try to shed some light in issue of surname  suffix.
As Cheri said, regardless of having the suffix or not the surname remains the 
same.
 In the past people added suffixes, such as da, de, dos which are exactly the 
same as “Von” in German or “Van” in Dutch, to make them sound more important or 
noble.
Since the 50s in Brazil, some family branches started getting rid of them, so 
rather being Maria de Figueiredo de Magalhães, she would be registered simply 
Maria Figueiredo de Magalhães.
Some families remove the suffix when it is in front of the first surname, so 
Manuel da Silva Brito is simply Manuel Silva Brito.
In my family, many de Araújo and de Menezes lost the “de”once it became the 
first surname, including an auntie who not only dropped it, but didn’t pass it 
to her children.
Sometimes it may also indicate provenance, de Lucena, from the Andalusian city 
of Lucena in Spain for instance.
Whether you or you ancestors have the suffix or not the surname remains the 
same:
Silveira or da Silveira
Lago ou do Lago
Souza or de Souza
Santos or dos Santos
Regards,
Marcos

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On 2 Mar 2019, at 02:53, Cheri Mello 
mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's the same. I'm guessing that sometimes the "dos" got recorded and sometimes 
it didn't. Too much vinho.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:38 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hmm, I guess my question should have been phrased differently.  In the same 
time period, there are many with the surname Santos but; only a few who go by 
dos Santos.  Different family lines?  No other surnames are included on any of 
the dos Santos that I’ve seen but; Santos sometimes stands alone and sometimes 
is accompanied by other surnames.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 6:43 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another surname question: Santos and dos Santos

Santos is the surname. "dos" the prefix.

Literally:
dos= of the (plural)
Santos= Saints.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:37 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
If one uses the back-slashes for the surname both Santos and dos /Santos/ would 
show up with only Santos as the surname.  They are two distinctly different 
surnames, are they not>

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-03 Thread Leonor Bertoni
Hahaha  this is great and probably very accurate!  I am on very
slow/limited internet at the cottage but will look into it when I get home
later.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:13 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> And Google translate makes it a drunk person with a vessel on his head. Oh
> my!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 9:09 PM Margaret Vicente 
> wrote:
>
>> Re Tarrobesana / Tarrobazana
>>
>>
>>
>> You may may wish to break it down in two words TARRO + BEZANA and you
>> shall find that according to Dicinario da Lingua Portugesa:
>>
>>
>>
>> tar·ro
>>
>> (origem controversa)
>>
>> substantivo masculino
>>
>> 1. Vaso em que os pastores recolhem o leite que vão ordenhando.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. [Portugal: Alentejo]  Recipiente de cortiça usado sobretudo para
>> transportar alimentos.Ver imagem
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. [Portugal: Beira]  Conjunto de sedimentos que um líquido deixa no
>> fundo da vasilha.
>>
>>
>>
>> *be·za·na*
>> (origem obscura)
>>
>> *substantivo feminino*
>>
>> [Portugal, Informal]  Estado de pessoa embriagada. = BEBEDEIRA, BUBA,
>> EMBRIAGUEZ, NARSA
>>
>> Confrontar: besana.
>>
>>
>> *"bezana"*, in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha],
>> 2008-2013, https://dicionario.priberam.org/bezana [consultado em
>> 03-03-2019].
>>
>> *"besana"*, in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha],
>> 2008-2013, https://dicionario.priberam.org/besana [consultado em
>> 03-03-2019].
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *JR 
>> *Sent: *March 2, 2019 6:37 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
>>
>>
>>
>> I am beginning to wonder if Tarrabasana is really some kind of work and
>> not a nickname.
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everyone. This came up as a suggestion from google for me but I
>> think that first letter is definitely a T. I will keep looking for more
>> records to see if anything else comes up.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> For those who need it in English:
>>
>>
>>
>> female noun
>>
>> Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA,
>> SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR  wrote:
>>
>> Close:
>>
>>
>> sa·ra·ba·ca·na
>> (alteração de sarabatana)
>>
>> substantivo feminino
>>
>> Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. =
>> ESGARAVATANA, SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>>
>> "sarabacana",
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>
>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like
>> Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona,
>> Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>
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