Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Here's the paternal grandfather. Yours may vary.

The first 2 are from a drop down menu (with the red checkmarks). The top
one, I started typing "Portuguese" and it came up. The 2nd question, I
started typing Portugal and it had a variety, so I picked basic Portugal,
because the Azores (and Madeira) belonged to Portugal. The 3rd part (with
no check mark) was where I got to put my specific input. So I put Azores
there and gave them the island. I'm not sure that they'll go that far with
it though.

[image: image.png]
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:59 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Because the Azores, nor Madeira are countries. Portugal is the country.
> You put Azores under "Other Group Affliate Details." I put "Born in Azores,
> Sao Miguel island."
>
> I'll do another one and screen shot it.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> This is great except that they are not allowing Azores, Portugal, Azores
>> Island, Portugal just Portugal!!! Still is not going to show our correct
>> spot on the Portuguese ladder!!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)
>>>
>>> A few years back (about 2013-2014), Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) did a
>>> survey, asking for background information which they then incorporated into
>>> their ethnicity estimates. Only 25 people of Portuguese descent answered.
>>> That was all. "Portuguese" then had to cover Portugal, Azores, Madeira, and
>>> Brazil. Only 25 people! And of course many people did not match those 25 in
>>> the population sample. And of course people were disappointed with their
>>> ethnicity estimates.
>>>
>>> If you would like more accurate results for the Azores, Madeira,
>>> Portugal, Brazil (or any other country), NOW is the time. Family Tree DNA
>>> has created a new Family Ancestry Survey. You need to have ordered Family
>>> Finder, transferred over to FTDNA (from Ancestry, My Heritage, 23 and Me),
>>> or you have a Family Finder test on order.
>>>
>>> 1) Open your genealogy program and have the main person be the same as
>>> the test person (I did my dad because he's half Portuguese). It helps as a
>>> reference if you are answering for someone else.
>>> 2) Log directly into the kit with the kit number and password.
>>> 3) Scroll down the left column looking for the survey and click it:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> There are only 4 questions. And it's clunky and not intuitive.
>>>
>>> It asks which ethnicity the test taker's father's father was from. So
>>> the test taker's paternal grandfather. If you start typing "Portuguese" it
>>> will suggest "Europe - Portuguese." Then it asks for the country. The
>>> Azores nor Madeira is a country, so you pick Portugal. Then it asks for
>>> other group affiliation details. Here you can put something like "Born in
>>> the Azores, Sao Miguel island" or "Born in Madeira."
>>>
>>> It then repeats the process for the test taker's paternal grandmother,
>>> maternal grandfather, and maternal grandmother.
>>>
>>> However, if you have something that's plain old American, it becomes
>>> difficult. My dad's maternal half has been in America for a couple of
>>> hundred years (at least). So when it wants his maternal grandfather's
>>> ethnicity, that would be American. Nope, that was not an option. Neither
>>> was Caucasian. I finally picked Europe - English even though he was a blend
>>> of the British Isles (English, Irish, Scottish). For his birth place, it
>>> allowed United States of America. Then for other group affiliation details,
>>> I put "Born in Kansas."
>>>
>>> So please, Please, PLEASE answer the survey so we can have more accurate
>>> results for our corner of the world. Don't let another 5 years (or so) go
>>> by!
>>>
>>> (No, I don't know when the survey will end and they will stop collecting
>>> results.)
>>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Because the Azores, nor Madeira are countries. Portugal is the country. You
put Azores under "Other Group Affliate Details." I put "Born in Azores, Sao
Miguel island."

I'll do another one and screen shot it.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:56 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> This is great except that they are not allowing Azores, Portugal, Azores
> Island, Portugal just Portugal!!! Still is not going to show our correct
> spot on the Portuguese ladder!!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)
>>
>> A few years back (about 2013-2014), Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) did a survey,
>> asking for background information which they then incorporated into their
>> ethnicity estimates. Only 25 people of Portuguese descent answered. That
>> was all. "Portuguese" then had to cover Portugal, Azores, Madeira, and
>> Brazil. Only 25 people! And of course many people did not match those 25 in
>> the population sample. And of course people were disappointed with their
>> ethnicity estimates.
>>
>> If you would like more accurate results for the Azores, Madeira,
>> Portugal, Brazil (or any other country), NOW is the time. Family Tree DNA
>> has created a new Family Ancestry Survey. You need to have ordered Family
>> Finder, transferred over to FTDNA (from Ancestry, My Heritage, 23 and Me),
>> or you have a Family Finder test on order.
>>
>> 1) Open your genealogy program and have the main person be the same as
>> the test person (I did my dad because he's half Portuguese). It helps as a
>> reference if you are answering for someone else.
>> 2) Log directly into the kit with the kit number and password.
>> 3) Scroll down the left column looking for the survey and click it:
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> There are only 4 questions. And it's clunky and not intuitive.
>>
>> It asks which ethnicity the test taker's father's father was from. So the
>> test taker's paternal grandfather. If you start typing "Portuguese" it will
>> suggest "Europe - Portuguese." Then it asks for the country. The Azores nor
>> Madeira is a country, so you pick Portugal. Then it asks for other group
>> affiliation details. Here you can put something like "Born in the Azores,
>> Sao Miguel island" or "Born in Madeira."
>>
>> It then repeats the process for the test taker's paternal grandmother,
>> maternal grandfather, and maternal grandmother.
>>
>> However, if you have something that's plain old American, it becomes
>> difficult. My dad's maternal half has been in America for a couple of
>> hundred years (at least). So when it wants his maternal grandfather's
>> ethnicity, that would be American. Nope, that was not an option. Neither
>> was Caucasian. I finally picked Europe - English even though he was a blend
>> of the British Isles (English, Irish, Scottish). For his birth place, it
>> allowed United States of America. Then for other group affiliation details,
>> I put "Born in Kansas."
>>
>> So please, Please, PLEASE answer the survey so we can have more accurate
>> results for our corner of the world. Don't let another 5 years (or so) go
>> by!
>>
>> (No, I don't know when the survey will end and they will stop collecting
>> results.)
>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

This is great except that they are not allowing Azores, Portugal, Azores
Island, Portugal just Portugal!!! Still is not going to show our correct
spot on the Portuguese ladder!!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)
>
> A few years back (about 2013-2014), Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) did a survey,
> asking for background information which they then incorporated into their
> ethnicity estimates. Only 25 people of Portuguese descent answered. That
> was all. "Portuguese" then had to cover Portugal, Azores, Madeira, and
> Brazil. Only 25 people! And of course many people did not match those 25 in
> the population sample. And of course people were disappointed with their
> ethnicity estimates.
>
> If you would like more accurate results for the Azores, Madeira, Portugal,
> Brazil (or any other country), NOW is the time. Family Tree DNA has created
> a new Family Ancestry Survey. You need to have ordered Family Finder,
> transferred over to FTDNA (from Ancestry, My Heritage, 23 and Me), or you
> have a Family Finder test on order.
>
> 1) Open your genealogy program and have the main person be the same as the
> test person (I did my dad because he's half Portuguese). It helps as a
> reference if you are answering for someone else.
> 2) Log directly into the kit with the kit number and password.
> 3) Scroll down the left column looking for the survey and click it:
> [image: image.png]
>
> There are only 4 questions. And it's clunky and not intuitive.
>
> It asks which ethnicity the test taker's father's father was from. So the
> test taker's paternal grandfather. If you start typing "Portuguese" it will
> suggest "Europe - Portuguese." Then it asks for the country. The Azores nor
> Madeira is a country, so you pick Portugal. Then it asks for other group
> affiliation details. Here you can put something like "Born in the Azores,
> Sao Miguel island" or "Born in Madeira."
>
> It then repeats the process for the test taker's paternal grandmother,
> maternal grandfather, and maternal grandmother.
>
> However, if you have something that's plain old American, it becomes
> difficult. My dad's maternal half has been in America for a couple of
> hundred years (at least). So when it wants his maternal grandfather's
> ethnicity, that would be American. Nope, that was not an option. Neither
> was Caucasian. I finally picked Europe - English even though he was a blend
> of the British Isles (English, Irish, Scottish). For his birth place, it
> allowed United States of America. Then for other group affiliation details,
> I put "Born in Kansas."
>
> So please, Please, PLEASE answer the survey so we can have more accurate
> results for our corner of the world. Don't let another 5 years (or so) go
> by!
>
> (No, I don't know when the survey will end and they will stop collecting
> results.)
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Put plain old Portugal. Thanks!!!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:50 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Ok Cher, here is where I show my total lack of knowledge.  Do I put
> Portugal of Kingdom of Portugal Algraves?  Those are the choices, plus
> Timor which I know isn’t what I want.  My grandparents were born in the
> Azores.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:32 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy ;
> madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; islandrou...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA
>
>
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)
>
>
>
> A few years back (about 2013-2014), Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) did a survey,
> asking for background information which they then incorporated into their
> ethnicity estimates. Only 25 people of Portuguese descent answered. That
> was all. "Portuguese" then had to cover Portugal, Azores, Madeira, and
> Brazil. Only 25 people! And of course many people did not match those 25 in
> the population sample. And of course people were disappointed with their
> ethnicity estimates.
>
>
>
> If you would like more accurate results for the Azores, Madeira, Portugal,
> Brazil (or any other country), NOW is the time. Family Tree DNA has created
> a new Family Ancestry Survey. You need to have ordered Family Finder,
> transferred over to FTDNA (from Ancestry, My Heritage, 23 and Me), or you
> have a Family Finder test on order.
>
>
>
> 1) Open your genealogy program and have the main person be the same as the
> test person (I did my dad because he's half Portuguese). It helps as a
> reference if you are answering for someone else.
>
> 2) Log directly into the kit with the kit number and password.
>
> 3) Scroll down the left column looking for the survey and click it:
>
>
>
> There are only 4 questions. And it's clunky and not intuitive.
>
>
>
> It asks which ethnicity the test taker's father's father was from. So the
> test taker's paternal grandfather. If you start typing "Portuguese" it will
> suggest "Europe - Portuguese." Then it asks for the country. The Azores nor
> Madeira is a country, so you pick Portugal. Then it asks for other group
> affiliation details. Here you can put something like "Born in the Azores,
> Sao Miguel island" or "Born in Madeira."
>
>
>
> It then repeats the process for the test taker's paternal grandmother,
> maternal grandfather, and maternal grandmother.
>
>
>
> However, if you have something that's plain old American, it becomes
> difficult. My dad's maternal half has been in America for a couple of
> hundred years (at least). So when it wants his maternal grandfather's
> ethnicity, that would be American. Nope, that was not an option. Neither
> was Caucasian. I finally picked Europe - English even though he was a blend
> of the British Isles (English, Irish, Scottish). For his birth place, it
> allowed United States of America. Then for other group affiliation details,
> I put "Born in Kansas."
>
>
>
> So please, Please, PLEASE answer the survey so we can have more accurate
> results for our corner of the world. Don't let another 5 years (or so) go
> by!
>
>
>
> (No, I don't know when the survey will end and they will stop collecting
> results.)
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Ok Cher, here is where I show my total lack of knowledge.  Do I put Portugal of 
Kingdom of Portugal Algraves?  Those are the choices, plus Timor which I know 
isn’t what I want.  My grandparents were born in the Azores.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:32 PM
To: Azores Genealogy; madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; 
islandrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)

A few years back (about 2013-2014), Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) did a survey, 
asking for background information which they then incorporated into their 
ethnicity estimates. Only 25 people of Portuguese descent answered. That was 
all. "Portuguese" then had to cover Portugal, Azores, Madeira, and Brazil. Only 
25 people! And of course many people did not match those 25 in the population 
sample. And of course people were disappointed with their ethnicity estimates.

If you would like more accurate results for the Azores, Madeira, Portugal, 
Brazil (or any other country), NOW is the time. Family Tree DNA has created a 
new Family Ancestry Survey. You need to have ordered Family Finder, transferred 
over to FTDNA (from Ancestry, My Heritage, 23 and Me), or you have a Family 
Finder test on order.

1) Open your genealogy program and have the main person be the same as the test 
person (I did my dad because he's half Portuguese). It helps as a reference if 
you are answering for someone else.
2) Log directly into the kit with the kit number and password.
3) Scroll down the left column looking for the survey and click it:


There are only 4 questions. And it's clunky and not intuitive.

It asks which ethnicity the test taker's father's father was from. So the test 
taker's paternal grandfather. If you start typing "Portuguese" it will suggest 
"Europe - Portuguese." Then it asks for the country. The Azores nor Madeira is 
a country, so you pick Portugal. Then it asks for other group affiliation 
details. Here you can put something like "Born in the Azores, Sao Miguel 
island" or "Born in Madeira."

It then repeats the process for the test taker's paternal grandmother, maternal 
grandfather, and maternal grandmother.

However, if you have something that's plain old American, it becomes difficult. 
My dad's maternal half has been in America for a couple of hundred years (at 
least). So when it wants his maternal grandfather's ethnicity, that would be 
American. Nope, that was not an option. Neither was Caucasian. I finally picked 
Europe - English even though he was a blend of the British Isles (English, 
Irish, Scottish). For his birth place, it allowed United States of America. 
Then for other group affiliation details, I put "Born in Kansas."

So please, Please, PLEASE answer the survey so we can have more accurate 
results for our corner of the world. Don't let another 5 years (or so) go by!

(No, I don't know when the survey will end and they will stop collecting 
results.)
Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes lists)

A few years back (about 2013-2014), Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) did a survey,
asking for background information which they then incorporated into their
ethnicity estimates. Only 25 people of Portuguese descent answered. That
was all. "Portuguese" then had to cover Portugal, Azores, Madeira, and
Brazil. Only 25 people! And of course many people did not match those 25 in
the population sample. And of course people were disappointed with their
ethnicity estimates.

If you would like more accurate results for the Azores, Madeira, Portugal,
Brazil (or any other country), NOW is the time. Family Tree DNA has created
a new Family Ancestry Survey. You need to have ordered Family Finder,
transferred over to FTDNA (from Ancestry, My Heritage, 23 and Me), or you
have a Family Finder test on order.

1) Open your genealogy program and have the main person be the same as the
test person (I did my dad because he's half Portuguese). It helps as a
reference if you are answering for someone else.
2) Log directly into the kit with the kit number and password.
3) Scroll down the left column looking for the survey and click it:
[image: image.png]

There are only 4 questions. And it's clunky and not intuitive.

It asks which ethnicity the test taker's father's father was from. So the
test taker's paternal grandfather. If you start typing "Portuguese" it will
suggest "Europe - Portuguese." Then it asks for the country. The Azores nor
Madeira is a country, so you pick Portugal. Then it asks for other group
affiliation details. Here you can put something like "Born in the Azores,
Sao Miguel island" or "Born in Madeira."

It then repeats the process for the test taker's paternal grandmother,
maternal grandfather, and maternal grandmother.

However, if you have something that's plain old American, it becomes
difficult. My dad's maternal half has been in America for a couple of
hundred years (at least). So when it wants his maternal grandfather's
ethnicity, that would be American. Nope, that was not an option. Neither
was Caucasian. I finally picked Europe - English even though he was a blend
of the British Isles (English, Irish, Scottish). For his birth place, it
allowed United States of America. Then for other group affiliation details,
I put "Born in Kansas."

So please, Please, PLEASE answer the survey so we can have more accurate
results for our corner of the world. Don't let another 5 years (or so) go
by!

(No, I don't know when the survey will end and they will stop collecting
results.)
Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Carlos Machado genealogies (mostly Sao Miguel island, with a little Santa Maria)

[Cheri Mello]

Angela Loura said:
It reminded me that there's also available online the book of Carlos
Machado, with some lines regarding Santa Maria:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P1.html


Me, Cheri:
Fr. Joe Viveiros, with the assistance of John Raposo and George Pacheco,
indexed this whole book and it is available in Gedcom format. It will be
burned on a CD and mailed to you. $50 USD includes the postage too.

Mail your check for $50.00, made out to Joseph Viveiros and mail to:
George Pacheco
76 Angus St.
Somerset, MA 02725

Include your email address in your request in case George can't read your
handwriting or something. You can also email George and let him know a
check is on its way: bretanha1...@yahoo.com

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Great job Margaret!
It reminded me that there's also available online the book of Carlos
Machado, with some lines regarding Santa Maria:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P1.html


Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia quinta, 29/08/2019 à(s)
21:18:

> Thanks again to Margaret and this outstanding group.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Bill Seidler]

Thanks again to Margaret and this outstanding group.  

Bill

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can someone help me with this marriage

[JR]

How do you know the name is Jose Soares do Rego? The marriage only gives 
the  name Jose Soares.

JR

On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 12:12:41 PM UTC-4, R Downey wrote:
>
> Thank you!  I will try to find!  That really helps because I thought I 
> just couldn't see the names.
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 1:43 PM Bill Seidler  > wrote:
>
>> Not without his seeing his first marriage or his baptism.  Usually it is 
>> only a first marriage that says: son of (FATHERS NAME) and (MOTHERS NAME).  
>> Second and subsequent usually only say viuvo (widower) of (NAME OF PREVIOUS 
>> SPOUSE)
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 9:35:04 PM UTC-7, R Downey wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Bill.
>>>
>>> I really appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Can you tell who his parents? are.  Yes I forgot to mention the first 
>>> wife.  I had her listed also.  
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>>
 Here is the link to the record (left side) 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1771-1801/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1771-1801_item1/P197.html

 Her parents are José Soares, já defunto (deceased) and his wife 
 Francisca Rosa.

 He is the widower of Mariana Laurencia? who is buried in the parish of 
 Santo Reis do Magos dos Fenais de Vera Cruz (Fenais da Ajuda).  You will 
 have to find his first marriage to get his parents' names.

 Bill Seidler


 On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 8:46:33 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Rene,
>
> You need to attach the URL so we can view the record.
>
> A marriage record only lists the bride and groom and their parents. It 
> won't list any siblings.
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
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> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:43 PM R Downey  wrote:
>
>> I have struggled to figure this marriage certificate out for my g 
>> grand parents.
>>
>> What I believe I can make out is
>>
>> Lourenco Medeiros and Francisca Jacintha Rosa
>>
>> May 16th 1801
>>
>> Place:  Conceicao Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel
>>
>> Her parents:  Jose Soares do Rego and Francisca Rosa - I think
>>
>> His I cannot figure out at all?
>>
>> There is also Maria Clara?  Sister? (but I cannot remember if that 
>> name was listed elsewhere or on here, but I have that also handwritten?)
>>
>>  Any information you can help me with would be greatly appreciated.  
>> I have struggled to read this for months and I think this 1 record ties 
>> me 
>> to several distant cousins I am trying to find the link to.
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill,

According to RR’s information entered in prior email;  Balazar Velho son of 
Domingos Velho, son of Manuel Fernandes da Silva, son of Francisco Vaz Delgado 
and Catarina Goncalves. 

The archives have files that include tree reconstructions of various work notes 
including that of RR’s.  Have a look at # 57.  You may be able to request/order 
copies.

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1557252=maria

If RR and others reconstructed your Ancestor’s family, it leads me to believe 
that Rodrigo Rodrigues reference chapter posted in Angela’s email is probably 
all there is.

Margaret

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: August 29, 2019 5:04 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and 
JoanaFernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

Now that I've had a chance to digest this outstanding (yet disappointing) 
information, it seems that I found the wrong Manuel Fernandes da Silva married 
to the wrong Maria Velha.  The couple, with same names, that I need, according 
to RR married in 1647 is Santa Barbara where the first Casamento book starts in 
1648.  The one I found took place ten years later and both newlyweds have 
different parents than the Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria Velha given by 
RR.

I am hoping for some advice on how to proceed.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
Thank you so much!  I'm going to have to see if I can obtain the RR book I've 
heard so much about.

Bill Seidler




On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 10:31:55 AM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
You got the names on the record right.

I took a look at the RR book, and it says:

(...) Baltazar Velho, era filho de Domingos Velho e de Joana Fernandes (casados 
em Santa Bárbara, de Santa Maria a 24.10.1701), ele filho de Manuel Fernandes 
da Silva (filho de Francisco Vaz Delgado e Catarina Gonçalves) e de Maria Velho 
(casados em Santa Bárbara em 1647) e esta última filha de Sebastião Velho 
Botelho e Maria da Fonte. Joana Fernandes (mãe de Baltazar Velho) era filha de 
Francisco Curvelo e Jerónima Fernandes (casados em Santa Bárbara em 1658) ele 
filho de Manuel Curvelo e de Maria da Fonte, e ela filha de António Velho e 
Margarida da Fonte.

Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s) 08:39:
I think this might be the marriage of the groom's parents: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P15.html
 (upper left starting on previous page)

What I think I see is:

Manuel Fernandes, son of Andre Fernandes da Silva and Anna Velha (deceased) 
marrying Maria Velha daughter of Antonio Velho da Costa and Breatis (Beatris?) 
George.

Reading around the torn pages, the date is the fifteenth of some month in 1657 
or Jan of 1658.

I appreciate any other insight or opinions.

Thanks,
Bill Seidler

On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:00:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
Can someone please help with this record.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P62.html
 (left side)

Groom's parents: Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria ???

Bride's parents: Francisco ?Cruvelho? and his wife ??? ???.

Thank you,
Bill Seidler


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trnaslation help marriage

[Liz Migliori]

Hi Bill
Me again. Was the first marriage Jan 18 1698?
Was Gaspar also a widower of Maria Jacintha?
Was Maria Futra daughter of Francisco Dutra and a few more Francisco’s?
Looks like a Francisco Garcia is in there also?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Bill Seidler  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Maria Dutra was first married to Gaspar João.  If that was her first 
> marriage, then the marriage you posted is her second marriage.
> 
> Both the marriage you posted and her first marriage (see link below, 2nd on 
> right) give her name as Maria Dutra and her first husband as Gaspar João.  
> Only on CITCEM have I seen the names Maria Dutra Correia and Gaspar João 
> Afonso so I don't know the source of those surnames.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1687-1719/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1687-1719_item1/P18.html
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Bill Seidler
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 5:35:20 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
>> Am I reading this correctly
>> She was first married to Gaspar Joao Afonso from Cedros
>> This marriage paper is for 2nd husband?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see the date as you do.  
>>> 
>>> The groom is Francisco Fernandes son of Francisco Fernandes, deaceased, and 
>>> his wife Maria de Mendonça?
>>> The bride is Maria Dutra (Correia is not mentioned), widow of Gaspar João.  
>>> You would have to find the first marriage to get her parents.
>>> 
>>> I did compare this with CITCEM and it appears to be what you are looking 
>>> for.  CITCEM gives the brides name as Maria Dutra Correia and gives Gaspar 
>>> João Afonso as her first husband who she married in Santa Barbara parish (I 
>>> believe this is Cedros) on 18 Jan 1694.
>>> 
>>> Bill Seidler
>>> 
 On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 12:57:50 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1687-1719/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1687-1719_item1/P85.html
 
 Bottom Left
 Could this be the marriage of Francisco Fernandes and Maria Dutra Correia  
 Oct 19, 1705?
 If so can you see or does it tell the parents names?
 
 Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trnaslation help marriage

[Liz Migliori]

Thank you so much Bill.  I have found that many times on Circe that it gives 
last names that the documents don’t.  Thought it might be on parents or 
grandparents names.   That’s why I always want to verify and find document to 
attach. 

Again thank you
Liz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Bill Seidler  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Maria Dutra was first married to Gaspar João.  If that was her first 
> marriage, then the marriage you posted is her second marriage.
> 
> Both the marriage you posted and her first marriage (see link below, 2nd on 
> right) give her name as Maria Dutra and her first husband as Gaspar João.  
> Only on CITCEM have I seen the names Maria Dutra Correia and Gaspar João 
> Afonso so I don't know the source of those surnames.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1687-1719/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1687-1719_item1/P18.html
> 
> I hope this helps,
> 
> Bill Seidler
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 5:35:20 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
>> Am I reading this correctly
>> She was first married to Gaspar Joao Afonso from Cedros
>> This marriage paper is for 2nd husband?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see the date as you do.  
>>> 
>>> The groom is Francisco Fernandes son of Francisco Fernandes, deaceased, and 
>>> his wife Maria de Mendonça?
>>> The bride is Maria Dutra (Correia is not mentioned), widow of Gaspar João.  
>>> You would have to find the first marriage to get her parents.
>>> 
>>> I did compare this with CITCEM and it appears to be what you are looking 
>>> for.  CITCEM gives the brides name as Maria Dutra Correia and gives Gaspar 
>>> João Afonso as her first husband who she married in Santa Barbara parish (I 
>>> believe this is Cedros) on 18 Jan 1694.
>>> 
>>> Bill Seidler
>>> 
 On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 12:57:50 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1687-1719/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1687-1719_item1/P85.html
 
 Bottom Left
 Could this be the marriage of Francisco Fernandes and Maria Dutra Correia  
 Oct 19, 1705?
 If so can you see or does it tell the parents names?
 
 Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can someone help me with this marriage

[R Downey]

Thank you!  I will try to find!  That really helps because I thought I just
couldn't see the names.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 1:43 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> Not without his seeing his first marriage or his baptism.  Usually it is
> only a first marriage that says: son of (FATHERS NAME) and (MOTHERS NAME).
> Second and subsequent usually only say viuvo (widower) of (NAME OF PREVIOUS
> SPOUSE)
>
> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 9:35:04 PM UTC-7, R Downey wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Bill.
>>
>> I really appreciate it.
>>
>> Can you tell who his parents? are.  Yes I forgot to mention the first
>> wife.  I had her listed also.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the link to the record (left side)
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1771-1801/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-C-1771-1801_item1/P197.html
>>>
>>> Her parents are José Soares, já defunto (deceased) and his wife
>>> Francisca Rosa.
>>>
>>> He is the widower of Mariana Laurencia? who is buried in the parish of
>>> Santo Reis do Magos dos Fenais de Vera Cruz (Fenais da Ajuda).  You will
>>> have to find his first marriage to get his parents' names.
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 8:46:33 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Hi Rene,

 You need to attach the URL so we can view the record.

 A marriage record only lists the bride and groom and their parents. It
 won't list any siblings.
 Cheri
 Cheri Mello
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 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:43 PM R Downey  wrote:

> I have struggled to figure this marriage certificate out for my g
> grand parents.
>
> What I believe I can make out is
>
> Lourenco Medeiros and Francisca Jacintha Rosa
>
> May 16th 1801
>
> Place:  Conceicao Ribeira Grande Sao Miguel
>
> Her parents:  Jose Soares do Rego and Francisca Rosa - I think
>
> His I cannot figure out at all?
>
> There is also Maria Clara?  Sister? (but I cannot remember if that
> name was listed elsewhere or on here, but I have that also handwritten?)
>
>  Any information you can help me with would be greatly appreciated.  I
> have struggled to read this for months and I think this 1 record ties me 
> to
> several distant cousins I am trying to find the link to.
>
> Rene
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Lucky, wow, I’d say that was nothing short of miraculous!   Thanks everyone for 
your take on this question.  These name changes and combinations drive me to 
the brink! LOL!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:26 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions please

Wow, you were lucky! Maybe that priest did genealogy! :)

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 7:17 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
Yes the name changes do make it challenging.  I just wanted to point out one 
marriage from my tree that was written by a priest that seemed to have future 
genealogist in mind.  It says Rosa da Conceição, ALSO KNOW AS ROSA DOS ANJOS AT 
HER FIRST MARRIAGE...

I felt lucky on this one that I didn't have to guess that Rosa de Conceição and 
Rosa dos Anjos were the same person.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911_item1/P160.html
 (starts lower left)

Bill Seidler



On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 5:35:20 PM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
I would say it's the same person.
I have a Laurência who shows up as Laurência Rosa, Laurência de Jesus, and 
finally Laurência Rosa de Jesus.

Also try to find out the death record(s) for your Joaquina.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia quarta, 28/08/2019 à(s) 21:01:
It depends on the record. At the baptism, the mother was not present (at least 
back in the day). So someone may not have remembered her middle name correctly. 
Or maybe she changed it for some reason. I make a timeline with all the records 
she is in and I weigh the evidence from there.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
If one record says the wife, mother, or  grandmother is Joaquina Rosa and one 
of the other records states her name as Joaquina Umbelina but; her parents and 
grandparents are the same in all records; am I to think that there are two 
Joaquinas. One is Joaquina Rosa and the other is Joaquina Umbelina and they are 
sisters or am I to think that her name is either Joaquina Rosa Umbelina or 
Joaquina Umbelina Rosa?  
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and Joana Fernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi Bill,

I do have the same problem you have. One thing to be considered is may be he 
married twice…

Eliseu

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Bill 
Seidler
Enviada: quinta-feira, 29 de agosto de 2019 09:04
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and Joana 
Fernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

 

Now that I've had a chance to digest this outstanding (yet disappointing) 
information, it seems that I found the wrong Manuel Fernandes da Silva married 
to the wrong Maria Velha.  The couple, with same names, that I need, according 
to RR married in 1647 is Santa Barbara where the first Casamento book starts in 
1648.  The one I found took place ten years later and both newlyweds have 
different parents than the Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria Velha given by 
RR.

 

I am hoping for some advice on how to proceed.

 

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:

Thank you so much!  I'm going to have to see if I can obtain the RR book I've 
heard so much about.

 

Bill Seidler

 

 

 


On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 10:31:55 AM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:

You got the names on the record right.

 

I took a look at the RR book, and it says:

 

(...) Baltazar Velho, era filho de Domingos Velho e de Joana Fernandes (casados 
em Santa Bárbara, de Santa Maria a 24.10.1701), ele filho de Manuel Fernandes 
da Silva (filho de Francisco Vaz Delgado e Catarina Gonçalves) e de Maria Velho 
(casados em Santa Bárbara em 1647) e esta última filha de Sebastião Velho 
Botelho e Maria da Fonte. Joana Fernandes (mãe de Baltazar Velho) era filha de 
Francisco Curvelo e Jerónima Fernandes (casados em Santa Bárbara em 1658) ele 
filho de Manuel Curvelo e de Maria da Fonte, e ela filha de António Velho e 
Margarida da Fonte.

 

Bill Seidler mailto:bsei...@gmail.com> > escreveu no dia 
terça, 27/08/2019 à(s) 08:39:

I think this might be the marriage of the groom's parents: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P15.html
 (upper left starting on previous page)

 

What I think I see is:

 

Manuel Fernandes, son of Andre Fernandes da Silva and Anna Velha (deceased) 
marrying Maria Velha daughter of Antonio Velho da Costa and Breatis (Beatris?) 
George.

Reading around the torn pages, the date is the fifteenth of some month in 1657 
or Jan of 1658.

 

I appreciate any other insight or opinions.

 

Thanks,

Bill Seidler


On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:00:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:

Can someone please help with this record.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P62.html
 (left side)

 

Groom's parents: Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria ???

 

Bride's parents: Francisco ?Cruvelho? and his wife ??? ???.

 

Thank you,

Bill Seidler

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1701 Marriage of Domingos Velho and Joana Fernandes, Santa Barbara, Island of Santa Maria

[Bill Seidler]

Now that I've had a chance to digest this outstanding (yet disappointing) 
information, it seems that I found the wrong Manuel Fernandes da Silva 
married to the wrong Maria Velha.  The couple, with same names, that I 
need, according to RR married in 1647 is Santa Barbara where the first 
Casamento book starts in 1648.  The one I found took place ten years later 
and both newlyweds have different parents than the Manuel Fernandes da 
Silva and Maria Velha given by RR.

I am hoping for some advice on how to proceed.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
>
> Thank you so much!  I'm going to have to see if I can obtain the RR book 
> I've heard so much about.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 10:31:55 AM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
>>
>> You got the names on the record right.
>>
>> I took a look at the RR book, and it says:
>>
>> *(...) Baltazar Velho, era filho de Domingos Velho e de Joana Fernandes 
>> (casados em Santa Bárbara, de Santa Maria a 24.10.1701), ele filho de 
>> Manuel Fernandes da Silva (filho de Francisco Vaz Delgado e Catarina 
>> Gonçalves) e de Maria Velho (casados em Santa Bárbara em 1647) e esta 
>> última filha de Sebastião Velho Botelho e Maria da Fonte. Joana Fernandes 
>> (mãe de Baltazar Velho) era filha de Francisco Curvelo e Jerónima Fernandes 
>> (casados em Santa Bárbara em 1658) ele filho de Manuel Curvelo e de Maria 
>> da Fonte, e ela filha de António Velho e Margarida da Fonte.*
>>
>> Bill Seidler  escreveu no dia terça, 27/08/2019 à(s) 
>> 08:39:
>>
>>> I think this might be the marriage of the groom's parents: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P15.html
>>>  (upper 
>>> left starting on previous page)
>>>
>>> What I think I see is:
>>>
>>> Manuel Fernandes, son of Andre Fernandes da Silva and Anna Velha 
>>> (deceased) marrying Maria Velha daughter of Antonio Velho da Costa and 
>>> Breatis (Beatris?) George.
>>>
>>> Reading around the torn pages, the date is the fifteenth of some month 
>>> in 1657 or Jan of 1658.
>>>
>>> I appreciate any other insight or opinions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:00:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:

 Can someone please help with this record.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1648-1716_item1/P62.html
  (left 
 side)

 Groom's parents: Manuel Fernandes da Silva and Maria ???

 Bride's parents: Francisco ?Cruvelho? and his wife ??? ???.

 Thank you,
 Bill Seidler


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