Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I thought I acknowledged the error in my earlier comments. How it got there 
I don't recall. I just made some other corrections taken from the Ribeira 
Quente casamentos index.

Bottom line, check your files against the records if you want to be 
accurate.

JR 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 9:10:42 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca 
> Rosa de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his 
> genealogy program because he wrote this:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

Great! I will see if I can find it. If there are quite a few participants at 
least it’s something! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder) are all housed in the Azores 
> DNA project. We accept all types of DNA. :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Sherry Phillips Swatek 
>>  wrote:
>> Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the price 
>> about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth another 
>> inquiry.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Sherry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Cheri.
>>> 
>>> whats an ossuary? 
>>> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
>>> Mello 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
>>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..
>>>  
>>> Hi Anthony,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
>>> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>>> 
>>> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family 
>>> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains 
>>> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. 
>>> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find 
>>> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>>> 
>>> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. 
>>> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all 
>>> related.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder) are all housed in the
Azores DNA project. We accept all types of DNA. :)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Sherry Phillips Swatek <
storytelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the
> price about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth
> another inquiry.
>
> Thank you,
> Sherry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the price 
about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth another 
inquiry.

Thank you,
Sherry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Cheri.
> 
> whats an ossuary? 
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
> Mello 
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..
>  
> Hi Anthony,
> 
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
> 
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family has 
> been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains are 
> left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. Every 
> freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find tombstones. But 
> your relatives may not be there.
> 
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. No, 
> they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all related.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa
de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his
genealogy program because he wrote this:
[image: image.png]

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

Cheri,


Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:  Maria and 
Virginia are daughters of Joao Lima and Francesco Rose de Mello (herself, 
the daughter of Manoel de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia Linhares.   Antonio 
and Maira share the same great grandfather, Francisco de Mello Barboza and 
Anna Esperito.Santa.  (which has created some convolutions on Ancestry with 
me tree!)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Elaine 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 1:45:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello 
> Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the 
> previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa 
> was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted 
> that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html
>
> Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the 
>> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio 
>> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905 
>> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco 
>> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>>
>> Elaine 
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

An ossuary is where the bones of the dead (from many people) are
deposited.  It solves the space problem for burial on the islands.  Seven
years after the original burial, bones are dug up and put into the church
depository called an ossuary.  If a family wanted to continue to pay for
the burial site, they could keep the plot longer.

Debbie


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:53 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

It's a place to put the bones.

Merriam-Webster says: a depository for the bones of the dead
Dictionary.com says: a place or receptacle for the bones of the dead

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:02 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

Thanks Cheri.

whats an ossuary?

From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

Hi Anthony,

I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.

You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family has 
been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains are left 
7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. Every freguesia 
now has a cemetery and that is where you will find tombstones. But your 
relatives may not be there.

Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. No, 
they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all related.

Hope this helps,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.

You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.

Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
related.

Hope this helps,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

questions for anyone who may happen to know the answer/s: 

are there any ports in azores, that still exist, from the 1800's ? 

where in Azores would I find any graves for the parents of my great 
grandfather ? 

and, is the surname of da silva common in azores; are they all related to 
each other?  




On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 3:28:31 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> wow Pam, that's, incredible.
> I know of one tree on ancestry but the person hasn't contacted me yet. 
> unfortunately I don't know what happened to Peter, being the oldest of 
> Catherine's sons. 
> apparently he died at sea in 1909. 
> Paul James is my line, and Francis is the other line. 
> wow. 
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:55 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for clarifying Cheri.
>> I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia 
>>> on Sao Miguel island. 
>>>
>>> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from 
>>> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle 
>>> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel. 
>>> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the 
>>> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Anthony

 There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 
 Aug 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) 
 Nowland in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: 
 Francis Laurence and Paul James Silver.

 This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing 
 his birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the 
 captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I 
 would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However 
 the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on 
 the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of 
 Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the 
 village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra 
 could help here. 

 To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need 
 to research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time 
 of 
 his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups 
 genealogists.  

 The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on 
 www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. 
 You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.

 Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if 
 you wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very 
 similar 
 timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
 Pam
  


 On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver <
 thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:

> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's 
> sometime.
> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand  
> wrote:
>
>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give 
>> a clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x 
>> great grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It 
>> also 
>> told the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where 
>> he 
>> died and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. 
>> They 
>> are always very helpful.
>>
>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia 
>> and New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were 
>> often 
>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was 
>> a 
>> hard life on these ships.
>>
>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. 
>> Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as 
>> Cheri 
>> has already suggested.
>> Good luck
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Pam .. 
>>>
>>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Jacob

[E. Sharp]

Elaine,

Myself and Celeste have researched mainland Portugal.  Many of the records are 
now online now even some passportes records and Joao Ventura from Portugal (not 
the Azores one) is still adding to them. You will need area of Lisboa he/she 
came from same as Azores research.  I did personally go to the archives in 
Lisbon a couple of times quite a few years ago. I did manage to meet my large 
family still living in Lisboa and hosted a family reunion at our hotel twice 
andstill keep in contact with them.  I don’t think there is a Portugal list 
anymore but others on this list might be able to reach out to you to help. 
Check out tombo.pt website.  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello
Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the
previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa
was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted
that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the
> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio
> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905
> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco
> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Jacob

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine S,

This list is for researching the 9 Azores islands. However, we have a few
people who have researched the mainland who might be able to help you. The
research strategy is the same. You need the village over there. Here's a
how-to on getting started, written from an Azorean slant. Just change
everything to Portugal in you mind:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
Good luck,
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> Joao Jacob is my father. He was born in Lisbon. I have his his birth and
> death dates. He did immigrate to the U.S. and died here. His father was
> Joao Jacob and his mother was Geraldine Alves. He supposedly came from a
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Jacob

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Joao Jacob is my father. He was born in Lisbon. I have his his birth and death 
dates. He did immigrate to the U.S. and died here. His father was Joao Jacob 
and his mother was Geraldine Alves. He supposedly came from a large family. Any 
help or advice is welcome.

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