Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Bill Seidler]

Thanks for the suggestion Cheri.  Is this what you meant (I'm a newbie at 
genealogy software).

Bill

On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Bill S,
>
> Can you also attach a family group sheet for this family? It would make it 
> a bit easier to follow. Thanks! Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:45 PM Bill Seidler  > wrote:
>
>> This is asking a lot, but I am hoping someone will take up interest and 
>> offer me an opinion or guidance.  I suspect my wife's 2d Great Grandfather 
>> left the Azores in the 1860s and ended up in New Zealand.  
>>
>> He is mentioned on his last child's baptism (João)  in 1854.  Then he is 
>> the father of the groom on the same child's marriage in 1882.  It does not 
>> say he was absent, but I don't think it would since the groom was of age.  
>> If my theory is correct he would have already been gone.  He is also 
>> mentioned as the paternal grandfather on the baptisms of the four children 
>> of his son João.  His first son, Manuel, left around 1869 and ended up in 
>> Sacramento, CA under the name Manuel J. Lamb.  His second son died as an 
>> infant.
>>
>> He is next mentioned in his wife's (Maria Isabel) Obit which states that 
>> she is still married to Francisco José Cordeiro.  It confirms that she is 
>> leaving two sons which concurs with the baptisms and obit I have found for 
>> their children.
>>
>> Then on the list of inventories available on Sãojorgegenealogy.org (image 
>> attached), her son João (Manuel was already in Sacramento) is listed as the 
>> one doing the inventory.  Would this have been her husband if he were 
>> present?  If the theory I am attempting to test in true, her husband was 
>> already married to someone else in New Zealand by this time.  In New 
>> Zealand, Francis Joseph (who I suspect is Francisco José Cordeiro) reported 
>> that he was married before but was widowed. 
>>
>> My wife is a close DNA match to descendants of the Francis Joseph in New 
>> Zealand.  There is one descendant of Antonio José Cordeiro (Francisco's 
>> father on Gracioisa) that matches both my wife and the descendants of 
>> Francis Joseph in New Zealand.
>>
>> I have attached links to the CCA records that tracked Francisco José 
>> Cordeiro to the extent I was able and a .jpg image in the inventory list 
>> for any that would be willing to help me sort this out.
>>
>>
>> His baptism in 1828 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa: (Francisco, starting 
>> just below top right).
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html
>>
>>
>> His marriage in 1849 in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel (starts 
>> bottom left)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html
>>
>>
>> First child baptism in 1849 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa (starts bottom 
>> right)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html
>>
>>
>> Second child baptism in 1852 Urzelina, São Jorge (Third on left)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html
>>
>>
>> Second child’s obit in Urzelina a month later: (second on right)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html
>>
>>
>> Third child’s baptism in 1854 in Urzelina (bottom left)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html
>>
>>
>> Third child’s marriage in 1882 in Urzelina (left side)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html
>>
>>
>> Wife’s obit in 1901 in Urzelina (bottom right)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html
>>
>>
>> Thanks to anyone who just took the time to read this.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Cheri Mello]

Bill S,

Can you also attach a family group sheet for this family? It would make it
a bit easier to follow. Thanks! Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 3:45 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> This is asking a lot, but I am hoping someone will take up interest and
> offer me an opinion or guidance.  I suspect my wife's 2d Great Grandfather
> left the Azores in the 1860s and ended up in New Zealand.
>
> He is mentioned on his last child's baptism (João)  in 1854.  Then he is
> the father of the groom on the same child's marriage in 1882.  It does not
> say he was absent, but I don't think it would since the groom was of age.
> If my theory is correct he would have already been gone.  He is also
> mentioned as the paternal grandfather on the baptisms of the four children
> of his son João.  His first son, Manuel, left around 1869 and ended up in
> Sacramento, CA under the name Manuel J. Lamb.  His second son died as an
> infant.
>
> He is next mentioned in his wife's (Maria Isabel) Obit which states that
> she is still married to Francisco José Cordeiro.  It confirms that she is
> leaving two sons which concurs with the baptisms and obit I have found for
> their children.
>
> Then on the list of inventories available on Sãojorgegenealogy.org (image
> attached), her son João (Manuel was already in Sacramento) is listed as the
> one doing the inventory.  Would this have been her husband if he were
> present?  If the theory I am attempting to test in true, her husband was
> already married to someone else in New Zealand by this time.  In New
> Zealand, Francis Joseph (who I suspect is Francisco José Cordeiro) reported
> that he was married before but was widowed.
>
> My wife is a close DNA match to descendants of the Francis Joseph in New
> Zealand.  There is one descendant of Antonio José Cordeiro (Francisco's
> father on Gracioisa) that matches both my wife and the descendants of
> Francis Joseph in New Zealand.
>
> I have attached links to the CCA records that tracked Francisco José
> Cordeiro to the extent I was able and a .jpg image in the inventory list
> for any that would be willing to help me sort this out.
>
>
> His baptism in 1828 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa: (Francisco, starting
> just below top right).
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html
>
>
> His marriage in 1849 in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel (starts
> bottom left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html
>
>
> First child baptism in 1849 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa (starts bottom
> right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html
>
>
> Second child baptism in 1852 Urzelina, São Jorge (Third on left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html
>
>
> Second child’s obit in Urzelina a month later: (second on right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html
>
>
> Third child’s baptism in 1854 in Urzelina (bottom left)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html
>
>
> Third child’s marriage in 1882 in Urzelina (left side)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html
>
>
> Wife’s obit in 1901 in Urzelina (bottom right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html
>
>
> Thanks to anyone who just took the time to read this.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

[Anthony Silver]

what are the names in that second column ?

From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Bill 
Seidler 
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:45 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tracing Francisco José Cordeiro

This is asking a lot, but I am hoping someone will take up interest and offer 
me an opinion or guidance.  I suspect my wife's 2d Great Grandfather left the 
Azores in the 1860s and ended up in New Zealand.

He is mentioned on his last child's baptism (João)  in 1854.  Then he is the 
father of the groom on the same child's marriage in 1882.  It does not say he 
was absent, but I don't think it would since the groom was of age.  If my 
theory is correct he would have already been gone.  He is also mentioned as the 
paternal grandfather on the baptisms of the four children of his son João.  His 
first son, Manuel, left around 1869 and ended up in Sacramento, CA under the 
name Manuel J. Lamb.  His second son died as an infant.

He is next mentioned in his wife's (Maria Isabel) Obit which states that she is 
still married to Francisco José Cordeiro.  It confirms that she is leaving two 
sons which concurs with the baptisms and obit I have found for their children.

Then on the list of inventories available on Sãojorgegenealogy.org (image 
attached), her son João (Manuel was already in Sacramento) is listed as the one 
doing the inventory.  Would this have been her husband if he were present?  If 
the theory I am attempting to test in true, her husband was already married to 
someone else in New Zealand by this time.  In New Zealand, Francis Joseph (who 
I suspect is Francisco José Cordeiro) reported that he was married before but 
was widowed.

My wife is a close DNA match to descendants of the Francis Joseph in New 
Zealand.  There is one descendant of Antonio José Cordeiro (Francisco's father 
on Gracioisa) that matches both my wife and the descendants of Francis Joseph 
in New Zealand.

I have attached links to the CCA records that tracked Francisco José Cordeiro 
to the extent I was able and a .jpg image in the inventory list for any that 
would be willing to help me sort this out.



His baptism in 1828 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa: (Francisco, starting just 
below top right).

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1826-1833_item1/P30.html


His marriage in 1849 in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel (starts bottom 
left)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1841-1854_item1/P121.html


First child baptism in 1849 São Mateus da Praia, Graciosa (starts bottom right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1841-1855_item1/P179.html


Second child baptism in 1852 Urzelina, São Jorge (Third on left)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P82.html


Second child’s obit in Urzelina a month later: (second on right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P41.html


Third child’s baptism in 1854 in Urzelina (bottom left)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1855-1860_item1/P14.html


Third child’s marriage in 1882 in Urzelina (left side)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889/SJR-VL-URZELINA-C-1880-1889_item1/P24.html


Wife’s obit in 1901 in Urzelina (bottom right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1900-1911_item1/P14.html


Thanks to anyone who just took the time to read this.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Anthony Silver]

Thankyou Cheri.
hmm, that's something to really think about.


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there. 
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia, but 
I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want the birth 
certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they couldn't help 
me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record for me. You need a 
location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman, servants, 
merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no plumbers, as those 
things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do. Schooling 
for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may have 
left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted that, 
then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the oldest family 
members you can find and you will have to test multiple family members in order 
to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Cheri Mello]

Anthony S,

You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized there.
That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in Australia,
but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and said I want
the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to Australia, they
couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to pull a record
for me. You need a location in the Azores.

All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.

I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
the 1900s.

You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
the puzzle.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

They have so much stuff on it is easy to get carried away on it. There are 
recording going back to the very early days of recordings. Speeches from 
Theodore Roosevelt to early jazz, ethnic music, popular music up to the current 
day, they have it.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 11:02 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

 

I didn't know we had a "National Juke Box." That's cool!


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:30 AM Richard Francis Pimentel 
mailto:rickredle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

To add to the conversation. The Library of Congress (National Juke Box) has a 
number of recordings While I have not searched for others my great uncle has 
several of his recordings in Portuguese posted and can be listened to, he 
(Manuel J. Carvalho) recorded in the 1920's.   http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/ 

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mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Steve 
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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 1:15 AM
To: Azores Genealogy mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugues song recordings

Here is a link to all of the Azorean folk recordings made by Sydney Cowell. She 
was the wife of the important composer Henry Cowell. 

https://www.loc.gov/search/?fa=subject%3Asongs%2C+portuguese

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

[Cheri Mello]

I didn't know we had a "National Juke Box." That's cool!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 6:30 AM Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To add to the conversation. The Library of Congress (National Juke Box)
> has a number of recordings While I have not searched for others my great
> uncle has several of his recordings in Portuguese posted and can be
> listened to, he (Manuel J. Carvalho) recorded in the 1920's.
> http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Steve Peters
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 1:15 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugues song recordings
>
> Here is a link to all of the Azorean folk recordings made by Sydney
> Cowell. She was the wife of the important composer Henry Cowell.
>
> https://www.loc.gov/search/?fa=subject%3Asongs%2C+portuguese
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] looking for info on Annie Laurance wife of Joseph Simmons

[Mary]

I will take a look thank you

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 1:31:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> The names in Portuguese are Anna Lourenço and Jose Simões or possibly 
> Simas.
>
> You can try running Jose Simões and then Jose Simas through the CITCEM-GHP 
> site married to an Anna Anybody. However, it only has 13 of the 16 parishes 
> of Pico: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html
>
> You also need to get their deaths, all censuses, obits, anything you can 
> find in the U.S. For a list of suggestions, try this:
>
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
>
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 9:44 AM Mary > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> My family has been looking for our ancestors and we have hit a little 
>> brick wall hoping someone will be able to help.
>> We have been able to locate information about them in the states but cant 
>> seem to find any information on them in Azores, Some of
>> the documents say there from PICO all documents say Azores but I feel 
>> kind of lost.
>>
>> Theses wonderful people is were i get lost once I get to Annie and Joseph 
>> in Azores I'm stuck.
>>
>> Annie Laurence ( also spelled Lawrence) born 1864 , married Joseph 
>> Simmons born 1863 whom both later immigrated to Gloucester Mass in 1882
>> mother and father of Adaline Gloria Simmons born 1891 mother of George 
>> Stewart and George is the father of my mother Gloria Stewart
>>
>> Thank you in advance 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Do Couto name.

[Rob Whaite]

That's fine,thank you very much.

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 5:09 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Rob W,
>
> I'd say the name would be medium in how common it is. It may be more
> common in some areas than others though.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:29 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>
>> Dear Cheri
>>
>> Thankyou very much for your assistance thus far and I really appreciate
>> it.
>>
>> I would be interested to know whether Do Couto is a common name in
>> Portugal?
>>
>> I am interested in doing a little more research, but if the name is
>> fairly common it will be "Needle in the haystack" stuff.
>>
>> I have been very lucky so far but maybe I have come to to the end of it
>> ,but you never know?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rob
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese song recordings

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

To add to the conversation. The Library of Congress (National Juke Box) has a 
number of recordings While I have not searched for others my great uncle has 
several of his recordings in Portuguese posted and can be listened to, he 
(Manuel J. Carvalho) recorded in the 1920's.   http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/ 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portugues song recordings

Here is a link to all of the Azorean folk recordings made by Sydney Cowell. She 
was the wife of the important composer Henry Cowell. 

https://www.loc.gov/search/?fa=subject%3Asongs%2C+portuguese

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