Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 16 Messages in 9 Topics

[Marcos Arruda Raposo]

Hi, Margaret, hi, John,

Thanks, you are both incredible!  May I add to the list I made to Margaret
yet another son of Tomé Raposo and Sebastiana da Costa, just pointed out by
John.  Allow me to quote:

"marra...@cs.com *Jan 12 04:42PM -0500**
There is also their son Domingos Raposo born in S. José, who married
Antónia Carvalho, also of S. José along with her parents, Domingos Dias and
Maria
Carvalho, on 27 April 1730 in S. José.
John Miranda Raposo"
*
By the way, have you noticed Revista Michaelense, at Google Books?  There
are lots of genealogical information there, but only a few lines on
each name can be seen on-line.

Thank you  both, again and again,
Marcos.
*
*
2010/1/13 
>

>   Today's Topic Summary
>
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/azores/topics
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>- Marriage 
> records<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_group_thread_0>[3
>  Updates]
>- Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 8 Messages in 6 
> Topics<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_group_thread_1>[2
>  Updates]
>- ShirleyMay Re: 
> Mello<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_group_thread_2>[1
>  Update]
>- Fregoisia on Faial for Bria St. Cres. 
> residence<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_group_thread_3>[2
>  Updates]
>- Duarte's Tavern Pescadero 
> CA<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_group_thread_4>[1
>  Update]
>- 
> Pico<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_group_thread_5>[2
>  Updates]
>- Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 8 Messages in 
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>  Update]
>- 
> Mello<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_group_thread_7>[2
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>- Negrito on 
> Faial<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_group_thread_8>[2
>  Updates]
>
>  Topic: Marriage 
> records<http://groups.google.com/group/azores/t/6d592be9ca7f0eb0>
>
>Tish M  Jan 12 05:39PM -0800 
> ^<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#1262621c68474414_digest_top>
>
>Hi Margaret,
>My husband and I have finished the baptisms from Santa Barbara, Santa
>Maria
>and I am now
>on to the marriages. Now I need a few new Portuguese words. What words
>will
>tip me off as
>to if the nubentes were related.
>Thanks in advance,
>Tish
>
>--
>sfig
>Researching
>Island: Santa Maria
>Freguesia: Santa Barbara
>
>
>
>
>Margaret Vicente  Jan 12 10:17PM -0500 
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>Hi Tish,
>
>This is for blood relations:
>
>1st, 2nd and 3rd degree of consanguinity: "*primeiro, segundo e
>terceiro
>degrau de consanguinidade de que obtiveram dispensa por sentença
>apostolica*".
>
>
>Also, watch for; 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree of licit affinity. It usually
>reads like this;
>
>"*alem do primeiro, segundo e terceiro grau de afinidade licita, de que
>obtiveram dispensa por sentença apostolica*".
>
>An exammple of "licit" would be when in-laws remarry each other after
>their
>respective husband/wife pass away, and or any other similar "legal"
>relationship.
>
>Margaret Vicente
>
>
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>Sam Koester  Jan 12 07:53PM -0800 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 8 Messages in 6 Topics

[Marcos Arruda Raposo]

20PM -0800 
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>
>Gayle,
>
>Are your Machado's from the Island of Pico?  I have relatives in
>Fresno, Riverdale, Laton, and San Luis Obispo.  Just curious.  Thank you,
>Vivian (Silva) Christy
>
>--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Gayle Machado 
>wrote:
>
>
>From: Gayle Machado 
>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico
>To: azores@googlegroups.com
>Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:11 PM
>
>
>Al,
>
>We’ve spoken before- shortly after I moved to Fresno. But, its been
>many years. I’ve met both John and Fred Machado, although they probably
>don’t remember it (it was at the Portuguese Hall in Easton and they were
>busy serving) but I’m not related. When I get home tonight I’ll look to see
>if I still have some records from when we last communicated. Unfortunately,
>today is the first day back for the new semester. I’m at work and in 
> between
>meetings at the moment. I pray I get home before 8 tonight (which happened
>last semester). If not, then I’ll try to look this weekend. Seems to me
>there was a connection.
>
>Gotta go. Sorry so short a note,
>
>Gayle
>
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>  Topic: Pimentel<http://groups.google.com/group/azores/t/d8e4bbb6335abecb>
>
>Carlos Bertemes  Jan 10 05:35PM -0800 
> ^<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#12620fca66f7905a_digest_top>
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>Francisco de SOUZA casou-se com Vicência Josefa PIMENTEL.
>[Info. Históricas]
>Vicência Josefa PIMENTEL casou-se com Francisco de SOUZA.
>[Info. Históricas]
>Eles tiveram os seguintes filhos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>M
>i
>João de Souza PIMENTEL nasceu em 1760.
>http://www.encontreaqui.com.br/familia/pafg01.htm#8
>
>Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil
>Pesquisando:
>Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha
>Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo
>Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer,
>Bertemes,
>Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira,
>Gato, Sodre,
>Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello,
>Miranda, Leal
>Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der
>Burggerie
>
>
>
>
> 
>Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
>http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>  Topic: Disappointment with 
> microfilms...HELP!<http://groups.google.com/group/azores/t/2c8eeb04df08361f>
>
>Terri  Jan 10 10:16PM -0800 
> ^<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#12620fca66f7905a_digest_top>
>
>Well...i spoke to an aunt of mine and she said she was 4 years old
>when Jose died making it 1942 in Agua 'D'Alto.
>
>
>
>
>  Topic: Duarte's Tavern Pescadero 
> CA<http://groups.google.com/group/azores/t/ef7da007e54fbd6c>
>
>"Thomas da/de Costa Vasconcelos Rodrigues Gouveia Oliveira Cabral" <
>thomas.deco...@usmc.mil> Jan 11 09:46AM -0800 
> ^<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=qvz4uGnXwI8.pt_BR.&am=!Mi2c2SsaQZO5A3Gi0fgGItaReiDqLpkZJ8MbtEaKlVYNpA#12620fca66f7905a_digest_top>
>
>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1612201&type=story
>
>Here's a nice link on Myron Duarte - 1st cousin and professional
>bullrider.
>
>He/we always pronounced it DOO-art.
>
>
>
>
>  Topic: Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 13 Messages in 5 
> Topics<http://groups.google.com/group/azores/t/981995b4bcc815ab>
>
>Marcos Arruda Raposo  Jan 11 10:25AM -0200 
> ^<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&n

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 13 Messages in 5 Topics

[Marcos Arruda Raposo]

Hi, Margaret,

May I bother you a little more on our probable connection at Arrifes?

I thought my Raposos were all from Ponta Delgada, but John Miranda Raposo
kindly told me that they were in fact from Arrifes.  His sources indicate
that my gggrandfather Tomé Raposo (married to Sebastiana da Costa), who
died before Dec 1735, was from Arrifes and had the following sons, besides
my ggrandfather Pedro: Antonio (married to Vitoria Cordeiro and then to
Maria de São José), Gonçalo (married to Maria Pereira), Silvestre (married
to Joana Botelho) and Domingos (married to Antonia Carvalho).

Pedro was christened in freguesia of the Patriarch São José, Ponta Delgada,
as did his brothers Gonçalo and Silvestre, but the family seems to have
later moved to the freguesia of S. Sebastião, in Ponta Delgada.

Tomé Raposo and Sebastiana da Costa of Arrifes are my brickwalls,
unsurmountable so far. You know, after 200 years oblivion water produces a
kind hang-over that compels people to seek their forgotten relatives.  Can
you help?

Thanks a lot,
Marcos.

2010/1/11 
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>   Today's Topic Summary
>
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/azores/topics
>
>- Duarte's Tavern Pescadero 
> CA[5
>  Updates]
>- Fregoisia on Faial for Bria St. Cres. 
> residence[4
>  Updates]
>- Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 16 Messages in 9 
> Topics[1
>  Update]
>- All of the 
> Islands[1
>  Update]
>- Disappointment with 
> microfilms...HELP![2
>  Updates]
>
>  Topic: Duarte's Tavern Pescadero 
> CA
>
>"Linda Norton"  Jan 10 11:24AM -0500 
> ^
>
>When I went to CA five or six years ago, time flies, I had gone to SF
>for
>the first time and then drove down the coastline. I did stop at
>Duarte's, a
>great rustic tavern. The food was fabulous especially the Dungeness
>Crab,
>their signature dish, as the assortment of pies.
>
>If you are around that area visiting, you have to stop in.
>
>Linda
>
>-Original Message-
>From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On
>Behalf Of
>"E" Sharp
>Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>To: azores
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Duarte's Tavern Pescadero CA
>
>Interesting article on Duarte's Tavern in Pescadero - thinking of going
>here
>is a few weeks for dinner.
>
>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101971206
>
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>elaa  Jan 10 10:46AM -0800 
> ^
>
>I'm curious about the pronounciation of the name Duarte here as DOO-
>art. I have found current generations pronouncing it this way. My
>Duarte grandparents and relatives from the Azores always pronounced it
>Dew-art-ee or Due-war-tee. I'm wondering how the current residents in
>the Azores pronounce it. Or if the name is in your genealogy...how do
>you pronounce it?
>
>
>Loretta in California
>
>
>
>
>Cheri Mello  Jan 10 10:57AM -0800 
> ^
>
>DOO-art
>
>Cheri Mello
>Listowner, Azores-Gen
>Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>Tainhas,
>Achada
>
>
>
>
>John Vasconcelos  Jan 10 01:31PM -0800 
> ^
>
>We went to Duarte's several years ago and had the Artichoke soup for
>lunch.
>Great place. There is also a Portuguese hall on the main street there
>also.
>At nearby Pidgon point th

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores - 1 message in 1 topic

[Marcos Arruda Raposo]

Hi, Shirley,
I'm no expert in genealogy, but most of the information we have been dealing
with in this list comes from catholic parish books.  I guess jewish surnames
would hardly appear on those books.  By the way, couldn't Sereque be a
modified form of Eizirik?
Now, my own question: is it possible to know whether our azorean ancestry,
back in the 16th century, is jewish?  Are there records on the subject, or
did they all disappear with the Marquis of Pombal?  For example, were my
forebearers, the Raposos from São Miguel, new christians?  Does anyone know?
Marcos.

2009/11/15 

>  Today's Topic Summary
>
>- Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, 
> ...[1
>  update]
>
>  Topic: Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas: Faial, Pico, Flores, 
> ...
>
>Shirley Sereque  Nov 14 06:36PM -0500
>
>Hi!
>How do I find out if my ancestors are listed in these books? I'll be
>glad to pay one of you to attach copies of the pages I may need.
>- Shirl -
>
>Benarus, Bensabat, Seriqui, Sreky...
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores - 4 messages in 2 topics

[Marcos Arruda Raposo]

David,

Noé is the man who built the arch... The translation is Noah, no doubt.

Regards,
Marcos.

2009/11/5 

>  Today's Topic Summary
>
>- Digest for azores - 3 messages in 1 
> topic[2
>  updates]
>- help with a 
> word[2
>  updates]
>
>  Topic: Digest for azores - 3 messages in 1 
> topic
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>david ellis  Nov 04 04:36PM -0800
>
>
>Any one know if there is an English translation to the male name
>"Noe"...for example (Joao = John) (Jose = Joseph) (Noe = ???)
>
>To: azores@googlegroups.com
>From: azores@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores - 3 messages in 1 topic
>Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:20:19 +
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>Today's Topic Summary
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>help with a word [3 updates]
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>Topic: help with a word
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>Marcia  Nov 03 08:16PM -0800
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>I'm translating a 1847 marriage record from San Pedro, Vila Franca do
>
>Campo. There is one word that really has me stumped. It appears to
>
>be Sabridita and occurs before the word frequesia. I've looked at
>
>parish lists, and don't see anything like this on San Miguel. The
>
>word is capitalized as I've shown. Does anyone have any ideas what
>
>this is?
>
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>danandma...@comcast.net Nov 04 04:24AM
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>I think the word is : sobredita freguesia - previously mentioned
>freguesia
>
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>I have seen this many times.
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>Maria
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>- Original Message -
>
>From: "Marcia" 
>
>To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 10:16:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
>Central
>
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with a word
>
>
>
>I'm translating a 1847 marriage record from San Pedro, Vila Franca do
>
>Campo. There is one word that really has me stumped. It appears to
>
>be Sabridita and occurs before the word frequesia. I've looked at
>
>parish lists, and don't see anything like this on San Miguel. The
>
>word is capitalized as I've shown. Does anyone have any ideas what
>
>this is?
>
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>Cheri Mello  Nov 03 08:42PM -0800
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>Marcia,
>
>
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>Don't pay attention to capitalization. They didn't.
>
>
>
>Cheri Mello
>
>Listowner, Azores-Gen
>
>Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>Tainhas,
>
>Achada
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>Cheri Mello  Nov 04 06:06PM -0800
>
>Noe = Noah
>
>Cheri Mello
>Listowner, Azores-Gen
>Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>Tainhas,
>Achada
>
>
>
>  Topic: help with a 
> word
>
>marra...@cs.com Nov 04 05:58AM -0500
>
>In a message dated 11/3/2009 11:16:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> word is capitalized as I've shown. Does anyone have any ideas what
>> this is?
>Are you sure its not sobredita, the above mentioned?
>
>
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>Marcia  Nov 04 05:00AM -0800
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>Thanks everyone - I knew that you'd be able to help!
>
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