RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in SaltLakeCity
Cheri, I just posted a reply for Cecilia about the books. I’m so glad she is also interested in the conference. I’m hoping that I will be able to make the 2021 conference. It is so informative and fun. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 7:19 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in SaltLakeCity No, sorry, I'm not an author (nor a male) and there will be no books for sale at the Portuguese Genealogy Conference and Research Trip in Salt Lake City in 2021. Doreen must be thinking of something else and not the Portuguese Genealogy Conference and Research Trip. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:14 PM wrote: Hi Cecilia. I’m so glad to see you were able to join this group. They are extremely helpful. The conference is the best. You walk away with so any new tools and ideas to aide you in your research. If you do a search on the author we talked about you will see that he offers it at a discount if you buy from him and if you buy the books in bundles or a complete set. He is a member in this group. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cecilia Lopes Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 7:49 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in Salt LakeCity Hello Cheri, Just discovered this group. Are there any plans to do a similar event in SLC for Terceira Island? On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 6:11:10 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote: Yes, it's over 20 hours of lecture and lab time with over 10 hours of research time. We try to make it a bargain, the best that we can. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 5:07 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca wrote: I'll start saving my pennies. It was such a worthwhile beginning last time. I will be ready for more advanced thinking in 2021. Deb PS— for those who’ve never come, shared rooms, wonderful cafeteria lunches, and extra Ancestry privileges make this very economical and a valuable research time together. On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:05 PM Cheri Mello wrote: (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists) The next Portuguese Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City, Utah, will be in the SPRING, 2021. No conference will be held in 2020. The date will be announced this coming spring (2020), so you will have approximately a 1 year notice. Sincerely, Cheri Mell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_H17_0YE%3DbtsaPFfpKnZQrZCbQeCBqj0SKKZADiK%2BQKVQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050sc%2B5ciQZoZoaPgsZGWKOQkuWAWhaza9Ghe18bZr%2ByYLg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/c27b55ee-b1f8-4f39-949b-eb56bc1d32b3%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dad147a.1c69fb81.89814.4cf0%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GaPZTfB5V5SB%3D9%3DaBQqwJKXaffMpSNgsVRe2cvO8ty3A%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dad1a41.1c69fb81.85ba5.5469%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in SaltLakeCity
Cecilia, Here’s the link for the books. https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira He also includes it at the bottom of his post. He often refers the books when answering the questions. I just love the way he does not hold the information or the links to the records from you. He gives you the info in response to your question. Many times he provides you with links to the records and additional information. Every time I have followed his research it has been accurate. ‘m looking forward to getting a set of his books. I want to check to see if my work agrees with his research. I’m hoping Philipp Garnier sees this post and creates a new post or at least replys to this one. It appears there are several people in the Facebook group that are interested in his books. I’m hoping they follow you and join this group. Philipp has been so helpful in my Altares research. Not only for me but many of my DNA found cousins too. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 7:19 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in SaltLakeCity No, sorry, I'm not an author (nor a male) and there will be no books for sale at the Portuguese Genealogy Conference and Research Trip in Salt Lake City in 2021. Doreen must be thinking of something else and not the Portuguese Genealogy Conference and Research Trip. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:14 PM wrote: Hi Cecilia. I’m so glad to see you were able to join this group. They are extremely helpful. The conference is the best. You walk away with so any new tools and ideas to aide you in your research. If you do a search on the author we talked about you will see that he offers it at a discount if you buy from him and if you buy the books in bundles or a complete set. He is a member in this group. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cecilia Lopes Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 7:49 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in Salt LakeCity Hello Cheri, Just discovered this group. Are there any plans to do a similar event in SLC for Terceira Island? On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 6:11:10 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote: Yes, it's over 20 hours of lecture and lab time with over 10 hours of research time. We try to make it a bargain, the best that we can. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 5:07 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca wrote: I'll start saving my pennies. It was such a worthwhile beginning last time. I will be ready for more advanced thinking in 2021. Deb PS— for those who’ve never come, shared rooms, wonderful cafeteria lunches, and extra Ancestry privileges make this very economical and a valuable research time together. On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:05 PM Cheri Mello wrote: (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists) The next Portuguese Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City, Utah, will be in the SPRING, 2021. No conference will be held in 2020. The date will be announced this coming spring (2020), so you will have approximately a 1 year notice. Sincerely, Cheri Mell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_H17_0YE%3DbtsaPFfpKnZQrZCbQeCBqj0SKKZADiK%2BQKVQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050sc%2B5ciQZoZoaPgsZGWKOQkuWAWhaza9Ghe18bZr%2ByYLg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/c27b55ee-b1f8-4f39-949b-eb56bc1d32b3%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dad147a.1c69fb81.89814.4cf0%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in SaltLakeCity
Cecilia just in case you want information sooner, Joao Ventura is planning on doing some small workshop is the Central Valley area of California spring of 2020. I’m looking at the Kingsburg area. I’m hoping I can get enough interest. Do you think you would be interested? Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 7:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in SaltLakeCity Hi Cecilia. I’m so glad to see you were able to join this group. They are extremely helpful. The conference is the best. You walk away with so any new tools and ideas to aide you in your research. If you do a search on the author we talked about you will see that he offers it at a discount if you buy from him and if you buy the books in bundles or a complete set. He is a member in this group. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cecilia Lopes Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 7:49 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in Salt LakeCity Hello Cheri, Just discovered this group. Are there any plans to do a similar event in SLC for Terceira Island? On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 6:11:10 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote: Yes, it's over 20 hours of lecture and lab time with over 10 hours of research time. We try to make it a bargain, the best that we can. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 5:07 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca wrote: I'll start saving my pennies. It was such a worthwhile beginning last time. I will be ready for more advanced thinking in 2021. Deb PS— for those who’ve never come, shared rooms, wonderful cafeteria lunches, and extra Ancestry privileges make this very economical and a valuable research time together. On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:05 PM Cheri Mello wrote: (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists) The next Portuguese Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City, Utah, will be in the SPRING, 2021. No conference will be held in 2020. The date will be announced this coming spring (2020), so you will have approximately a 1 year notice. Sincerely, Cheri Mell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_H17_0YE%3DbtsaPFfpKnZQrZCbQeCBqj0SKKZADiK%2BQKVQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050sc%2B5ciQZoZoaPgsZGWKOQkuWAWhaza9Ghe18bZr%2ByYLg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/c27b55ee-b1f8-4f39-949b-eb56bc1d32b3%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dad1577.1c69fb81.867ef.4aa8%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in Salt LakeCity
Hi Cecilia. I’m so glad to see you were able to join this group. They are extremely helpful. The conference is the best. You walk away with so any new tools and ideas to aide you in your research. If you do a search on the author we talked about you will see that he offers it at a discount if you buy from him and if you buy the books in bundles or a complete set. He is a member in this group. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cecilia Lopes Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 7:49 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Conference in Salt LakeCity Hello Cheri, Just discovered this group. Are there any plans to do a similar event in SLC for Terceira Island? On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 6:11:10 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote: Yes, it's over 20 hours of lecture and lab time with over 10 hours of research time. We try to make it a bargain, the best that we can. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 5:07 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca wrote: I'll start saving my pennies. It was such a worthwhile beginning last time. I will be ready for more advanced thinking in 2021. Deb PS— for those who’ve never come, shared rooms, wonderful cafeteria lunches, and extra Ancestry privileges make this very economical and a valuable research time together. On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:05 PM Cheri Mello wrote: (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists) The next Portuguese Genealogical Conference and Research Trip to Salt Lake City, Utah, will be in the SPRING, 2021. No conference will be held in 2020. The date will be announced this coming spring (2020), so you will have approximately a 1 year notice. Sincerely, Cheri Mell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_H17_0YE%3DbtsaPFfpKnZQrZCbQeCBqj0SKKZADiK%2BQKVQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAJ7050sc%2B5ciQZoZoaPgsZGWKOQkuWAWhaza9Ghe18bZr%2ByYLg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/c27b55ee-b1f8-4f39-949b-eb56bc1d32b3%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5dad147a.1c69fb81.89814.4cf0%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Genealogy conference organized inAzoresin 2020
Thanks for the info. It sounds like it is not appropriate for me, (content= not family genealogy in nature & too advance, mobility- will be difficult, and Language- not in English) Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 10:28 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Genealogy conference organized inAzoresin 2020 My guess is that if the flyer is in Portuguese, the classes would be in Portuguese. It's not ADA compliant over there. Some of the larger hotels probably have accommodations. You'd want a taxi or rent a car. Walking would be a challenge as it is an island with lots of going up and down hills. The streets are cobblestone, so not the best if walking is a problem. The churches all have stairs. If you can navigate them slowly then you may be okay. We had an 80 year old with us last year at San Joaninas and he took it slow and easy. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 10:17 AM wrote: Can they generate a flyer in English, for those of us that are Portuguese-language impaired. Na Falo Portuguese I also wondering with my limited mobility, if I would be able to access where they plan to have the workshops and/or hotels. Sincerely, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: João Ventura Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 7:27 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azoresin 2020 Hi everyone, It seems that the Azores regional government will organize a genealogy conference in 2020. http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/noticias/Governo+Regional+promove+encontro+internacional+de+genealogia+a%C3%A7oriana+em+2020.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-GIcdjlTanu2OZIMP08W8UCTmDmiR7E7wUA5Rr6Ihn2Fyigo4KYuIQUc Might be a chance to finally meet some of you :) João Ventura -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0da2c4b0-ff2e-40a1-9551-a09ea5d13664%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5da0b91f.1c69fb81.81d4.a230%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_FZoRqMdZ4ofxM5Zrp58LPQE0WdRtzmjJRcAVwDX%3DHCCQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5da1e8e7.1c69fb81.dc9ee.b96f%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azoresin 2020
Can they generate a flyer in English, for those of us that are Portuguese-language impaired. Na Falo Portuguese I also wondering with my limited mobility, if I would be able to access where they plan to have the workshops and/or hotels. Sincerely, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: João Ventura Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 7:27 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azoresin 2020 Hi everyone, It seems that the Azores regional government will organize a genealogy conference in 2020. http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/noticias/Governo+Regional+promove+encontro+internacional+de+genealogia+a%C3%A7oriana+em+2020.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-GIcdjlTanu2OZIMP08W8UCTmDmiR7E7wUA5Rr6Ihn2Fyigo4KYuIQUc Might be a chance to finally meet some of you :) João Ventura -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0da2c4b0-ff2e-40a1-9551-a09ea5d13664%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5da0b91f.1c69fb81.81d4.a230%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunesmarriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira
Look, I’m wrong so many times and would have the worst datebase if it wasn’t for this group’s constant assistance. This just happened to be part of a line that I had Joao Ventura do for me so I was sure it was correct. D Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JR Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 6:37 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunesmarriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira After seeing your comments, Doreen, I revisited and agree, the name is Fructuozo. Just goes to show, I shouldn't be so hasty. JR On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 8:58:20 AM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote: I have Frutuoso Pires, son of Asencao Rodrigues Vieira and Catarina Dias of the church Santa Barbara in Nove Ribeiras, Hope this helps, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 4:09 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunes marriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira Any suggestions on the groom's name on this marriage. The Terceira Marriage index says Francisco Pereira, but I have my doubts. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673_item1/P56.html (bottom left) What I do see is that on 2 Feb 1643 ??? ???, son of Capt. ??? Rodrigues Vieira and Catarina Dias, residents of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras marrying Margarida Nunes, daughter of Andre Afonso and his wife Isabel Lucas. Thanks for any help. Bill Seidler -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/23c242af-4105-4653-9b71-0cc982000361%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5c8968ae-07b2-4a80-a7fa-ac2ff70ac2af%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d71149c.1c69fb81.b365.80f9%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunes marriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira
I have Frutuoso Pires, son of Asencao Rodrigues Vieira and Catarina Dias of the church Santa Barbara in Nove Ribeiras, Hope this helps, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 4:09 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need groom's name on Margarida Nunes marriage1643, Vila Nova, Terceira Any suggestions on the groom's name on this marriage. The Terceira Marriage index says Francisco Pereira, but I have my doubts. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1594-1673_item1/P56.html (bottom left) What I do see is that on 2 Feb 1643 ??? ???, son of Capt. ??? Rodrigues Vieira and Catarina Dias, residents of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras marrying Margarida Nunes, daughter of Andre Afonso and his wife Isabel Lucas. Thanks for any help. Bill Seidler -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/23c242af-4105-4653-9b71-0cc982000361%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d710667.1c69fb81.e3ef0.6085%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alves/Alvaro Carvalho and Ferreira Drummond
For what it is worth…I have Joao Escorcio’s daughter, Branca Afonso Escorcia Drummond, married to Belchior Goncalves Ferreira. Branca and Belchior have a daughter named Isabel Afonso de Azevedo. This information came from an online Drummond tree. There is a research group especially for the Drummond family. I did not have Isabel’s marriage. Did you find the church record? What is your source for this marriage information? Sincerely. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 1:16 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alves/Alvaro Carvalho and Ferreira Drummond NOTE: Posts older than 30 days are "closed" and a new thread needs to be started. Repost for Marcia, marcia.guralski at gmail.com Antao Alvaro Carvalho, I found as Antao Alves Carvalho Married with Isabel Ferreira Drumond, Grandduaghter of Joao Escorcio (parents: John Drumond and Elizabeth Sinclair), Am I correct? is the same person? thanks a million, Marcia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_EiZpLs_rkrN2ptFt7DyQoCzr2v2od%2BmwW705ykLOBEBQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d6fc633.1c69fb81.aee7e.dbbd%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA
Did mine and all the accounts I manage. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: MaryAnn Santos Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 7:50 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Family Ancestry Survey on FTDNA Ditto for me! MaryAnn On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 8:27 PM Elaine Mello wrote: thanks for the head's up on this, Cheri. All done on my end. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/112dee9a-d860-4e27-bc3a-b56fbb7ce64d%40googlegroups.com. -- MaryAnn Santos Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at Twitter / @NYUart Instagram / @nyuart Facebook / NYU Art Department -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAGLQU9ZRvEn0d7-wZKFBjzH7_NEgfbNy0-j%2BnTHcCNZ0yPC_Zg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d6e9369.1c69fb81.25050.efda%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa BarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao
I’m so sorry. I wrote the bottom of the page and I meant top of the page. I can not read what is after their names. Thanks Cheri for responding and sorry I mistakenly put the bottom of the page. Please look at it again. Sincerely, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:46 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa BarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao Pedro Machado and Isabel Jose? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:33 AM wrote: Here’s another margin note I’m having problems reading. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703_item1/P210.html It is that the bottom of the page. Thanks again. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d5c0499.1c69fb81.22a8b.a597%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_EpSWz8E-xY8DaaAODH_ZbB0Nk60e1XGfUjuBM7cXF1Hw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d5eb976.1c69fb81.2f6e7.5b33%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa Barbara Marriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao
Here’s another margin note I’m having problems reading. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703_item1/P210.html It is that the bottom of the page. Thanks again. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d5c0499.1c69fb81.22a8b.a597%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho ofAltares
Very interesting. So what date do I used for the marriage? I guess the first one since there may be a child born in 9 months. Thank you. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:15 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho ofAltares Doreen, baptism: Em 5 de Novembro de 1772 passei certidao deste termos por me ser pedido. Borges 1741-1714=27 [per request I’v issued certification of this record was issued on November 5th 1772. Borges] Subtraction note resulting in 27 is the priests calculation to determine his age at marriage. Marriage: Fran.co Mzi Coelho e Maria de S. Jose sendo de Minham [morning] no 4 [11?] de Dezembro de 1741 e nao levaro as bensoes por ser tempo impedido. ---ja lhos dei as bencoes em 4 de Mayo de 1742 [This is part of the marriage record. Because of the bleeding at the top of page, the priest re-wrote on the side their names, date of marriage and that blessings were not given due to it being during the impeded time. Below he write … ja lhos dei as bencoes…[blessings already give on May 4th 1742] Margaret From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: August 20, 2019 9:08 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho of Altares I have two records for Francisco Martins Coelho: his baptism and marriage records. Both have notes in the margin. Could you please read the margins notes and let me know what they are saying? Marriage is on the right side of the page. He is marrying Maria de Sao Jose http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P96.html Baptism is on the top left side of the page. He is the son of Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana da Sao Jose http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P65.html Thank you for you help. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d5bf0bc.1c69fb81.4b0de.9f97%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d5c0098.1c69fb81.69e46.4033%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d5c03e5.1c69fb81.1e5e.6965%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Records for Francisco Martins Coelho of Altares
I have two records for Francisco Martins Coelho: his baptism and marriage records. Both have notes in the margin. Could you please read the margins notes and let me know what they are saying? Marriage is on the right side of the page. He is marrying Maria de Sao Jose http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P96.html Baptism is on the top left side of the page. He is the son of Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana da Sao Jose http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P65.html Thank you for you help. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d5bf0bc.1c69fb81.4b0de.9f97%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual record in the Altares Baptisms
Thank you Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 9:10 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual record in the Altares Baptisms Hi Doreen, This is Francisco so it was originally wrong on the margin but scratched out. He is son of Manuel Borges of Altares and Domingas de São Mateus, native of the parish of Santa Beatriz of Quatro Ribeiras (On Teceira not Faial); both are parishioners of Altares. What I see is that this baptism was on 11 January? 1714 by the priest, but was first baptized at home on 5 of the same month by Maria Nunes, daughter of Manuel Homem Machado and his wife Apolonia Nunes. I'm assuming that 5 Jan is the date of birth. Bill Seidler On Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: Good Evening Everyone. I have been looking at this record for a few days now. It is not the typical record. Since my Portuguese language skills are so minimal I can not figure it out. It is on the left side of the page and starts in the middle of that page. It has Manuel written in the margin but then it is crossed out. Below it has Francisco written in the margin and a calculation of 1759-1714= 45. So something happen in 1759 that the priest needed his age. It starts pretty normal then at the part where is says Francisco, son of Manuel Borges of Altares and Domingos da Santo Mateus of Santa Beatriz Church on Faial? Then ditto Maria Nunes, daughter of Manuel Homen Machado and Apolonia Nunes of Altares. Then ? ditto again Maria Nunes. What is going on with this record Or is my language skills so poot that I just can’t make it out? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P61.html Thanks for your help, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/e607c03f-0881-4a0f-bac6-b38beeadae19%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d5addff.1c69fb81.34632.2ff7%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual record in the Altares Baptisms
Good Evening Everyone. I have been looking at this record for a few days now. It is not the typical record. Since my Portuguese language skills are so minimal I can not figure it out. It is on the left side of the page and starts in the middle of that page. It has Manuel written in the margin but then it is crossed out. Below it has Francisco written in the margin and a calculation of 1759-1714= 45. So something happen in 1759 that the priest needed his age. It starts pretty normal then at the part where is says Francisco, son of Manuel Borges of Altares and Domingos da Santo Mateus of Santa Beatriz Church on Faial? Then ditto Maria Nunes, daughter of Manuel Homen Machado and Apolonia Nunes of Altares. Then ? ditto again Maria Nunes. What is going on with this record Or is my language skills so poot that I just can’t make it out? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P61.html Thanks for your help, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d58c002.1c69fb81.9540d.7e10%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading Altares Marriage record forManuel Vieira of Santa Barbara and Catarina Martins, widow of SalvadorNogueiro of Altares
I’ve search CITCEM for this couple and found nothing. Any suggestions? If not I guess I will look for Maria Beliago’s death record in Altares. DOreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 2:48 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading Altares Marriage record forManuel Vieira of Santa Barbara and Catarina Martins, widow of SalvadorNogueiro of Altares The mother is Maria Biliagua. Currently Beliago. On Aug 13, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Bill Seidler wrote: "...natural de paroquial de Santa Barbara do lugar das Ribeyras, ilha do Pico filho de..." So he is from Ribeiras, Lajes do Pico. I took a peek and the baptisms there start in 1697 so I'm not sure where you go from there. Both of the groom's parents are deceased (it say "defuntos" rather than "defunta"). Also, I'm at a loss as to the second name of the groom's mother "Bilboya"? Bill Seidler On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: I need help reading the parents of the groom Manuel Vieira. I’m getting lost in the text. I see Manuel Vieira, natural to Santa Barbara, son of Manuel Vieira and Maria Biboya, deceased, married Maria Martins, correction Catarina Martins…. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P110.html It is on the right side of the page. Thank you for you assistance. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/54a6493c-ef1d-4c8e-9fd2-57b1f68b3774%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/9CF0E166-F00A-424D-8433-2E049B71742A%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d542ca1.1c69fb81.40bae.0641%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading Altares Marriage record forManuel Vieira of Santa Barbara and Catarina Martins, widow of SalvadorNogueiro of Altares
Thank you so much. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 2:48 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading Altares Marriage record forManuel Vieira of Santa Barbara and Catarina Martins, widow of SalvadorNogueiro of Altares The mother is Maria Biliagua. Currently Beliago. On Aug 13, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Bill Seidler wrote: "...natural de paroquial de Santa Barbara do lugar das Ribeyras, ilha do Pico filho de..." So he is from Ribeiras, Lajes do Pico. I took a peek and the baptisms there start in 1697 so I'm not sure where you go from there. Both of the groom's parents are deceased (it say "defuntos" rather than "defunta"). Also, I'm at a loss as to the second name of the groom's mother "Bilboya"? Bill Seidler On Tuesday, August 13, 2019 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: I need help reading the parents of the groom Manuel Vieira. I’m getting lost in the text. I see Manuel Vieira, natural to Santa Barbara, son of Manuel Vieira and Maria Biboya, deceased, married Maria Martins, correction Catarina Martins…. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P110.html It is on the right side of the page. Thank you for you assistance. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/54a6493c-ef1d-4c8e-9fd2-57b1f68b3774%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/9CF0E166-F00A-424D-8433-2E049B71742A%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d542825.1c69fb81.e16c9.04f7%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. Thanks Doreen http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d530442.1c69fb81.5b9f6.4e59%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage record for Manuel Vieira of Santa Barbara and Catarina Martins, widow of Salvador Nogueiro of Altares
I need help reading the parents of the groom Manuel Vieira. I’m getting lost in the text. I see Manuel Vieira, natural to Santa Barbara, son of Manuel Vieira and Maria Biboya, deceased, married Maria Martins, correction Catarina Martins…. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P110.html It is on the right side of the page. Thank you for you assistance. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d52e93f.1c69fb81.c3f08.58e0%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livngAlmagreira(Lajes do Pico)
Can you send me where you are with this couple so I can determine what you need. I have Genoveva’s siblings too. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: acore...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 7:46 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livngAlmagreira(Lajes do Pico) Yes Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2019, at 7:10 AM, wrote: Sandra I do not know if this will help but I might have some information. I have a Genovera Ignacia being the child of Jose Silveira Carvao de Brum and Maria de Brum. I just messed up the database on this couple trying to type the information into this message but I will recover it from what I have saved to the cloud and get back to you. Do you think this is the same couple. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Sandra Valine Dauer Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 1:12 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico) Thank you for your help. I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario, four children baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list maternal grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904 and Joao 08 Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as Genoveva Ignancia. Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy wrote: Sandra, Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% certainty. Gayle PS: Margaret is the true expert. On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer wrote: Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of Genoveva bottom right top left http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer wrote: Gayle thanks for the idea. Here is Maria Rosario marriage record. I think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a Father. Is this correct? Need help with the lines after describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt. For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in California. She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922. Next she married Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers. Francisca died 1947 and is buried with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia. Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy wrote: Sandra, This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. Gayle On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer wrote: Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the first two children. On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira. Is the correct on the five records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is considered a widow? The links are listed below. Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html Virus-free. www.avast.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico)
Sandra I do not know if this will help but I might have some information. I have a Genovera Ignacia being the child of Jose Silveira Carvao de Brum and Maria de Brum. I just messed up the database on this couple trying to type the information into this message but I will recover it from what I have saved to the cloud and get back to you. Do you think this is the same couple. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Sandra Valine Dauer Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 1:12 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira(Lajes do Pico) Thank you for your help. I checked her daughter, Maria Rosario, four children baptism records from Lajes do Pico: Manuel 24 Nov 1901 list maternal grandparents Jose Silveira e Genoveva Ignancia; Maria 29 Jan 1904 and Joao 08 Jun 1908 and Francisca 16 Dec 1906 only list maternal as Genoveva Ignancia. Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 2:27 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy wrote: Sandra, Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de Macedo, farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% certainty. Gayle PS: Margaret is the true expert. On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer wrote: Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of Genoveva bottom right top left http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer wrote: Gayle thanks for the idea. Here is Maria Rosario marriage record. I think it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a Father. Is this correct? Need help with the lines after describing the witness Jose Maria Bettencourt. For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in California. She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922. Next she married Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers. Francisca died 1947 and is buried with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia. Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer Virus-free. www.avast.com On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy wrote: Sandra, This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out. Gayle On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer wrote: Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the first two children. On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira. Is the correct on the five records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is considered a widow? The links are listed below. Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html Virus-free. www.avast.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CABrGor__Vd%3D3DAXkNrga2uu4-PjD0ZBfoUwAF8ku1_PJeJo-3Q%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading marriage record for DomingosGoncalves (Duarte) and Ines Goncalves from Quatro Ribeiras
Thank you. I love went I can take an unknown line and tie it to a generation that I know the records are correct. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 7:57 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading marriage record for DomingosGoncalves (Duarte) and Ines Goncalves from Quatro Ribeiras I've looked at both records and agree with you. It looks like Manuel Jorge and Domingos Gonçalves both have Simam? Gonçalves and Beatriz Gonçalves listed as parents; Maria Machado and Ines Gonçalves both have Salvador Lucas (Luques) (da Guiar) and Ana Gonçalves listed as parents. So just as their names suggest (ha ha) Manuel Jorge and Domingos Gonçalves are brothers while their wives Maria Machado and Ignes Gonçalves are sisters. Very difficult record; I hope I'm right. Bill Seidler On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 10:33:25 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: This record is so hard for me. Please help me read the names of the bride’s parents. I see Ines Goncalves, daughter of Salvador Lucas de Guiar ?? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-QUATRORIBEIRAS-C-1663-1733/TER-PV-QUATRORIBEIRAS-C-1663-1733_item1/P19.html It is a the bottom of the page. FYI I have Domingos’ brother(Manuel Jorge) marrying Maria Machado who’s parents are Salvador Lucas (AKA Salvador Lucas de Aquiar) and Ana Goncalves. I’m thinking brother may have married sisters. What do you think? Thanks for your help., Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/8eac2381-7e5f-4dd8-b4d1-816294a4b161%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d4d72f1.1c69fb81.3a6d5.0609%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading marriage record for Domingos Goncalves (Duarte) and Ines Goncalves from Quatro Ribeiras
This record is so hard for me. Please help me read the names of the bride’s parents. I see Ines Goncalves, daughter of Salvador Lucas de Guiar ?? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-QUATRORIBEIRAS-C-1663-1733/TER-PV-QUATRORIBEIRAS-C-1663-1733_item1/P19.html It is a the bottom of the page. FYI I have Domingos’ brother(Manuel Jorge) marrying Maria Machado who’s parents are Salvador Lucas (AKA Salvador Lucas de Aquiar) and Ana Goncalves. I’m thinking brother may have married sisters. What do you think? Thanks for your help., Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d4c5ce1.1c69fb81.ea118.1768%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism of Twins of Manuel de Oliveira and Maria Coelho
I have an usual record. The first record is on the left side of the page for Joam (a twin) the son of Manuel e Oliveira and Maria Coelho. Now I’m having a hard time reading their marriage record so these two record are very important. I think the baptism of the second twin Joseph (at the top of the right side of the page) mentions that his father Manuel de Oliveira is the son of Joao Coelho Cardoso and Maria Martins. Please, any help would be appreciated. This is an end of tree for me since I can not read the marriage record. Joam and Joseph’s baptism records- http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P6.html Here’s Manuel de Oliveira and Maria Coelho’s marriage record- http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P71.html Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d49acb8.1c69fb81.13e3a.c4aa%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading very usual listing of godparents
I need help with the reading of my 6th Great aunt’s baptism, Maria de Ornelas. It seems to list several godmothers ? I’m definitively lost in the grammar. Here’s the link to the record and the record at the bottom of the left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P4.htm This is what I see For godparents Antonia Coelho, Maria Coelho, children of Joao Goncalves de Ornelas (which is Maria’s (the baby’s) grandfather so these would be her aunts and thus my 7th Great Aunts) ?eo padrinhro, daughter of Beatriz de Melo (grandmother of Maria, the Baby, and Joao’s wife) ?e a godmother daughter of Maria Coelho ? same Joao Goncalves de Ornelas, deceased. Now in my database I have Joao and Beatriz’ daughter Maria but I do not have another daughter named Antonia. I do have a son named Antonio. Now Joao had another wife named Maria Coelho so maybe this is information on her? Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d499847.1c69fb81.c62cc.7793%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Marriage record from Altares
I’m trying to read this marriage record from Altares. It appears that the parents of the couple are listed in the margin instead of the main narrative. I wonder why. Since it does not follow the pattern for marriage record I cannot read it. Could someone please help me? It is the record at the bottom of the right side of the page. Thanks again, Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P22.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d4707d2.1c69fb81.d1f8f.2639%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Having problems with Ana Lourenco's husband's name
Yes it does look like Valerio. Has anyone heard the name Valerio? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: linda Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:31 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Having problems with Ana Lourenco's husband's name It may be “Valerio” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/e4b3383d-f043-4e54-929b-f55b851254ca%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d433e84.1c69fb81.34349.98e1%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading baptism of Josepha born 1704 inAltares
Now that you pointed it out Yes. I have corrected this before only to make the same mistake. Been at this all day. Need to stop. Thanks, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:43 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading baptism of Josepha born 1704 inAltares José ROIS (Rodridgues) . Bartolomeu Gil's father was João Gonçalves, this is José Rodrigues. On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 5:57:09 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: This record has information that does not fit into my other information. The record is on the bottom left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1690-1707/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1690-1707_item1/P109.html I believe it says that her Godparents are Joseph Goncalves, widow of Maria Marques and the Godmother is his daughter Ana Marques. Now the problem is Joseph was deceased at the wedding of his son Bartolomeu Gil when he married Maria Nunes in 1670. So I’m thinking I read the record wrong….maybe it is ???Joseph Goncalves’ son Joseph but then why did they say it that way Could someone with better Poprtugues language skills check to see what it says about the Godparents of Josefa? Thanks, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/8756fdd3-ea7b-48f9-9160-319b04a7d917%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d42aa4f.1c69fb81.6d372.ac06%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with Sao Bartolomeu marriage record ofManuel Toledo and Maria da Costa
Could be Luisa or Luzia Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 1:45 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with Sao Bartolomeu marriage record ofManuel Toledo and Maria da Costa I think it is Manuel Toledo, son of Bras Lorenço and Maria Toledo with Maria da Costa daughter of Gaspar Martins and ??? da Costa. I'm just not getting the mother of the bride's first name. Bill On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:06:05 AM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: I can make out the names of the groom and bride but I can not read the names of the parents. I do not know if it because it is a different priest or maybe names that I’m not familiar with but I can not figure it out. Any help you could give would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1606-1653/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1606-1653_item1/P36.html The record is at the top of the page. Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/b9db1936-1cf2-496d-9647-8171f824ac9c%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d42a9f7.1c69fb81.cd7bd.53fd%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Having problems with Ana Lourenco's husband's name
I have several documents that give his name but I’m unfamiliar with it and can not make it out. He is married to Ana Lourenco and I have them with two children so far. The first document I have is his son’s (Joao Coelho) marriage to Agueda da Costa at the top of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1654-1698/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1654-1698_item1/P72.html The second document I have is his daughter’s (Ana Lourenco) marriage to Manuel Vieira at the top of the left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P22.html Thank you, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d42a82c.1c69fb81.ac63f.b64d%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] help with Sao Bartolomeu marriage record of Manuel Toledo and Maria da Costa
I can make out the names of the groom and bride but I can not read the names of the parents. I do not know if it because it is a different priest or maybe names that I’m not familiar with but I can not figure it out. Any help you could give would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1606-1653/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1606-1653_item1/P36.html The record is at the top of the page. Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d429d6a.1c69fb81.7aec.efcc%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriagerecordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670
That’s so funny I do things like that too. Then hen helping cousin do their research I’m usually able to give it to someone. This was not part of my lineage but my Cousin’s Mel’s tree. He does not do research but his MtDNA test came back with a very rare line. In the research group there are only 200 world wide so they were so excited to see a new person but I had not completed the research on this line so …thus all the work I doing now so I can give them the tree that goes with the DNA profile. Thanks again, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:54 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriagerecordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670 Thank you Doreen but this isn't part of any research I am doing. This was just the first inaccuracy I have ever found in the Terceira Marriage Index and I became briefly obsessed with researching it thoroughly to make sure I was right. That being said, the marriage index is an invaluable tool that I use extensively. I am grateful for those who created it. As your sixth-eighth cousin at least 4 different ways through our common Ribeirinha ancestry, I am glad you could benefit from my malady. Bill On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:35:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote: I think Gracia's godparents are Alferes Sebastião Nunes, son of Simão Gonçalves, deceased; and Agueda de Luz, daughter of Capitão Francisco Lucas For Manuel's godparents, I'm having a tough time. Trying to follow the crooked lines it looks like Simão Gonçalves, deceased; and that doesn't make sense. It is probably one of his sons just like it was for his sister Gracia. The godmother looks like Maria Manuel, daughter of Manuel Nunes. CURA is a title for a priest. On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 6:40:16 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: Wow. Thanks. I have spent the day reviewing these and putting them into my database. I Have some additional information for you as well but would like to start with my questions on what you sent me. I’m having trouble reading Gracia and Manuel’s Godparents’ names. Can you look at those and get back to me with what you think they are? I was wondering what the word “Cura” in front of the Joao’s godfather’s name (Cura Roque Martins)? Now Bartolomeu Gil and Maria Nunes had two more children: 1. Antonio Martins was their son. He married Isabel do Rosario and they had 7 children. Both had been married before. Antonio Martins had married a woman named Maria Nunes 4/6/1711, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P128.html. Isabel do Rosario was married to Tome Borges2/1716, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P10.html . It appears to me that Isabel married Tome after Antonio died but still need to locate his death record to confirm this information. It appear that Isabel was Antonio second wife and Maria Nunes is the mother of his children but since I have not located the marriage record of Antonio and Isabel I can not say that for a fact either. f you want their information let me know. a. Maria Borges born 5/3/1725 in Altares. I had the link but when I was copying it I deleted instead of copied so I will have to find it again but record indicates that he is the child of Isabel and Thome. b. Joao Goncalves Borges born 10/31/1726 and died 11/16/1799. Married Luzia da Conceicao in 1754 in Altares, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P146.html I have 4 children for them: Antonio Goncalves Borges, Rosa Maria, Joao Goncalves Borges and Isabel de Jesus but records indicate that Joao is the son of Isabel husband Thome. c. Francisco Borges born 3/17/1730 in Altares and is also a son of Isabel and Thome. d. Manuel Coelho Borges born 6/3/1734 in Altares. Married a lady names Isabel according to child’s information Manuel is also a child of Isabel and Thome. e. Antonio Borges born 4/28/1740 in Altares, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P150.html. Antonio is a child of Isabel and Thome. f. Joao Martins Gil died before 1757 and was married in 1738 in Altares to Maria do Espirito Santo http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P80.html. I have two children for them: Francisca Ignacia and Andre Martins. Joao is the child of Antonio and Maria g. Thome Martins Gil married Sebastiana Rosa do Sacramento in Altares 1744 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P112.html.Antonio is the child of Antonio and Maria. I have two children for Thome and Sebastiana: Antonio Martins Gil and Rosa Joaquina
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670
Wow. Thanks. I have spent the day reviewing these and putting them into my database. I Have some additional information for you as well but would like to start with my questions on what you sent me. I’m having trouble reading Gracia and Manuel’s Godparents’ names. Can you look at those and get back to me with what you think they are? I was wondering what the word “Cura” in front of the Joao’s godfather’s name (Cura Roque Martins)? Now Bartolomeu Gil and Maria Nunes had two more children: 1. Antonio Martins was their son. He married Isabel do Rosario and they had 7 children. Both had been married before. Antonio Martins had married a woman named Maria Nunes 4/6/1711, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P128.html. Isabel do Rosario was married to Tome Borges2/1716, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P10.html . It appears to me that Isabel married Tome after Antonio died but still need to locate his death record to confirm this information. It appear that Isabel was Antonio second wife and Maria Nunes is the mother of his children but since I have not located the marriage record of Antonio and Isabel I can not say that for a fact either. f you want their information let me know. a. Maria Borges born 5/3/1725 in Altares. I had the link but when I was copying it I deleted instead of copied so I will have to find it again but record indicates that he is the child of Isabel and Thome. b. Joao Goncalves Borges born 10/31/1726 and died 11/16/1799. Married Luzia da Conceicao in 1754 in Altares, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P146.html I have 4 children for them: Antonio Goncalves Borges, Rosa Maria, Joao Goncalves Borges and Isabel de Jesus but records indicate that Joao is the son of Isabel husband Thome. c. Francisco Borges born 3/17/1730 in Altares and is also a son of Isabel and Thome. d. Manuel Coelho Borges born 6/3/1734 in Altares. Married a lady names Isabel according to child’s information Manuel is also a child of Isabel and Thome. e. Antonio Borges born 4/28/1740 in Altares, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P150.html. Antonio is a child of Isabel and Thome. f. Joao Martins Gil died before 1757 and was married in 1738 in Altares to Maria do Espirito Santo http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P80.html. I have two children for them: Francisca Ignacia and Andre Martins. Joao is the child of Antonio and Maria g. Thome Martins Gil married Sebastiana Rosa do Sacramento in Altares 1744 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P112.html.Antonio is the child of Antonio and Maria. I have two children for Thome and Sebastiana: Antonio Martins Gil and Rosa Joaquina. 2. Maria Nunes, who married Manuel Martins on 6/29/1698, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P75.html Hope this helps you as much as your information help me. Thanks Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:33 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670 I believe this is the same person's obit right side bottom right. It has Bartolomeu spelled out; last name Gil Here is the marriage of the Maria in the above baptism: right side This is the has Bartolomeu spelled out; last name Gil left center Manuel; it has father as Bermeu Gil bottom left José; It has Br.to Gil 2nd on left Gracia; named spelled out as Bertolomeu Gil 2nd on left Isabel; it has name as Bermeu Gil 3rd on right Antoniol; It has name as Br.to Gil On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:57:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote: Hello Doreen, I realize that the index says the groom is Bartolomeu Gonçalves, but it sure looks like Gil to me instead of Glz. I've also never seen Bartolomeu abbreviated like that but I don't know what else it could be. I think this is the baptism of their first child and the name still seems to be Gil and has what might be a different abbreviation for Bartolomeu (I'm accustomed to "B.meu".) Maria, top right. Bill Seidler On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 5:51:03 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: Like Cheri says, ‘too much vino’ Groom’s parents: Joao Goncalves, deceased and of his wife Maria Manuel with Maria Nunes, daughter of Manuel Martins Berberea and of his wife Maria Nunes. Margaret From: doreen...@gmail.com Sent: July 30, 2019 2:21 PM To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage record
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism of Josepha born 1704 in Altares
This record has information that does not fit into my other information. The record is on the bottom left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1690-1707/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1690-1707_item1/P109.html I believe it says that her Godparents are Joseph Goncalves, widow of Maria Marques and the Godmother is his daughter Ana Marques. Now the problem is Joseph was deceased at the wedding of his son Bartolomeu Gil when he married Maria Nunes in 1670. So I’m thinking I read the record wrong….maybe it is ???Joseph Goncalves’ son Joseph but then why did they say it that way Could someone with better Poprtugues language skills check to see what it says about the Godparents of Josefa? Thanks, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d4238e1.1c69fb81.784ea.93e1%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] help with Altares baptism of Rogue, son of Mateus Goncalves and Maria Nunes
The problem I’m having is that Roque as born before their marriage. I’m wondering if there is something in this baptism record that indicates that Roque parents were not married. Roque baptism is at the top of the left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P126.html Thank again, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d422679.1c69fb81.8d9f4.3066%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record of Francisco Goncavles CabacoandIsabel Rodrigues of Altares
Thanks. This really helped. I have located his other marriage and realized that his first wife and her sister married men with the last name Cabaco. Now the two men are not brothers but they must be related since Cabaco family name is rare. Thanks again, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 5:43 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record of Francisco Goncavles CabacoandIsabel Rodrigues of Altares Doreen, I’m reading as: Francisco Goncalves of Isabel Vieira with Isabel Rodrigues daughter of Manuel Rodrigues Couto, deceased and of Catarina Simoa From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: July 30, 2019 4:50 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record of Francisco Goncavles Cabaco andIsabel Rodrigues of Altares I need help with Francisco’s information. Is it saying he is the widow of Isabel Lourenco? It is the record in the lower left side of the page. Thanks again, Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P41.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d40ad97.1c69fb81.b2897.4e87%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d40e42d.1c69fb81.11cb5.851e%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d41da6b.1c69fb81.336d1.fca2%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record of Francisco Goncavles Cabaco and Isabel Rodrigues of Altares
I need help with Francisco’s information. Is it saying he is the widow of Isabel Lourenco? It is the record in the lower left side of the page. Thanks again, Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P41.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d40ad97.1c69fb81.b2897.4e87%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage record of Bartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670
I need help reading this marriage record. If I follow the normal pattern it seems like the priest was not writing in a straight line. I thin it says the grooms parents are Joao Goncalves and Maria Marques. The bride’s parents would be Manuel Martins Berbereia and Maria Nunes. The problem is I can not find the groom’s parents’ marriage. So this is making me question whether I have handled the mismatched lines correctly. I’m think that my limitations in the Portuguese language may have made me make a mistake. It is no the bottom of the right side of the page. Thank you again, Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P27.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d408ab2.1c69fb81.66963.8d0c%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Groom's parents in older Altaresmarriage record
Thank you. I saw the same and I have that couple in my database and they are in this time period. I was just think it might have been saying that the father had the same name as the son and of course, I do not have the Portuguese language skills for determining f that was what it was saying. All of these old marriages and baptism were part of my cousin Mel’s maternal tree. This line is not related to me but is in the same village so in some case it did come back to my lines. Now I have a more complete tree for FTDNA. Apparently Mel’s maternal line according to his MtDNA test is very rare and I wanted to give them more lineage to work with in their research. It would not have been possible with out this group’s help. So on behalf of Mel Ormonde and myself I want to thank everyone. Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Seidler Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 4:02 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Groom's parents in older Altaresmarriage record Hi Doreen, These records you've offered lately are very difficult so I am just as unsure about this as I was the last record you posted. Hopefully someone else will chime in, but I will offer my input. I do see the groom's name Matias Glz, son of followed by what looks like "Po? Dias? (Possibly Pedro Dias?) defunto, and his wife Barbara? (first line looks like Mar-, but I think it is Bar-) Glz, marrying Maria Nunes, daughter of Amaro Cardoso and Maria Nunes, I also see the names Cunha and Coelho but I don't think they represent the family; probably either witnesses or clergy. Bill Seidler On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 3:01:28 PM UTC-7, Jesse Mendonca wrote: My goodness, Doreen. This is worse than Cherie’s scribble scrabble! The words Cunha Coelho jump out at me, later on I see Coelho again. And I think he wrote at least 5 words in English. Did they put parent names in in the 1600s? On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:13 AM wrote: The groom is Matias Goncalves but I can not make out his parent’s names. The record is on the lower right side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P37.html I’m wondering if it is saying that his father has the same name. I can not read the mother’s name except Mar…. Thank you for your help in this record. Have a great day. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3dd7c8.1c69fb81.c77cf.f32f%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/db3c8e56-d0a2-40dc-aba7-eb508c640e12%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3e2c93.1c69fb81.d6f81.a67c%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Groom's parents in older Altares marriage record
The groom is Matias Goncalves but I can not make out his parent’s names. The record is on the lower right side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P37.html I’m wondering if it is saying that his father has the same name. I can not read the mother’s name except Mar…. Thank you for your help in this record. Have a great day. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3dd7c8.1c69fb81.c77cf.f32f%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Bride's parents' names in oldAltares marriage
Thanks. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 5:43 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Bride's parents' names in oldAltares marriage I think the bride is the daughter of Pedro Martins (looks like Polo Miz) and his wife, Ursula Coelho. We need a second set of eyes. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 3:45 PM wrote: I have the names of the groom and his parents but need help reading the names of the bride’s parents. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P62.html It is on the bottom of the left side. His is Joao Borges Homem’s first marriage (aka Joao Rebelo in hi next marriage). I can not make out the parent’s name due to abbreviations and faded page. Maybe someone that is more familiar with the old style of writing can make it out? Thanks for your help, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3cd408.1c69fb81.dacaf.5fa1%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_HfYtuPUiy%3DF2Ghnd2WymA5x7w9ziP5V5FWOvKsSch1Pg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3cf477.1c69fb81.afca8.9aa8%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help again reading an old Altares marriage record.
Once again I need help reading a marriage record. I have the groom’s info? but can not follow the bride’s info at all. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P42.html It is the record in the middle of the right side of the page. It is suppose to be the record for Antonio Martins and Maria Nunes, according to the index. Now I have several references referring to Roque Martins and his wife Catarina, which are the parents of Antonio Martins but I question this information. Maybe I’m reading it wrong but I can not find them in the marriage index. Thanks again, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3cf2a5.1c69fb81.2da1e.3977%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Bride's parents' names in old Altares marriage
I have the names of the groom and his parents but need help reading the names of the bride’s parents. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P62.html It is on the bottom of the left side. His is Joao Borges Homem’s first marriage (aka Joao Rebelo in hi next marriage). I can not make out the parent’s name due to abbreviations and faded page. Maybe someone that is more familiar with the old style of writing can make it out? Thanks for your help, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3cd408.1c69fb81.dacaf.5fa1%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of MateusLuisPereira and Maria Soares
Thank you Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:28 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of MateusLuisPereira and Maria Soares Cheri’s marriage date of Dec 1st 1701 is correct. Can read the following Groom, Mateus Pereira son of Antonio xx? and Maria Pereira, parishioners of N. Senhora da Piedade … Ilha do Pico … Bride, Maria Soares, daughter of Gaspar Fernandes and Isabel Soares Sorry, cannot discern groom’s father surname. Margaret From: Cheri Mello Sent: July 25, 2019 8:43 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of Mateus LuisPereira and Maria Soares 1st Dec 1701. I can't read in this light. The date was hard enough for me to see. Hopefully someone else can read it or you can use the Terceira marriage index. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:43 AM wrote: I need help reading the marriage record of Mateus and Maria. It is at the bottom of the right side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P83.html I see 12/4/1701 in Altares. Groom Mateus (Luis) Pereira, son of Antonio? and Maria Pereira of Piedade? Marries Maria (Joaquina) Soares, daughter of Gaspar Fernandes Coelho and (Isabel Soares) () denotes information I have extracted from other records. Please make sure I’m reading this correctly. The style of writing is a little harder to read and then the faded ink is not helping as well as the missing part of the page at the bottom. I can not read the groom parents information. Thank you, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d39ea2d.1c69fb81.a6bff.d977%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_Ha%3D78Zq_N%3DcQnTyfjm9rhQmaAPtwGr6yWEGrpFL2VDeA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3a653a.1c69fb81.7b216.d7ab%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3cb990.1c69fb81.f42c7.89d0%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading a Altares Marriage record 1697
The record on the right side of the page has N. instead of names. Was this just a sample of how the records are suppose to look? Or is something else happening here? The handwriting is clear and easy to read. I just do not have the Portuguese language skills to understand what is going on. Thanks http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P72.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d3cb80a.1c69fb81.3bbe4.d0b2%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Is the Azorean Church records website down?
I was researching and now I can not access the next page. Then I check to see if I could skip back a few years and research but that failed too. Is the site down? Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d39f955.1c69fb81.b383c.3b26%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage of Mateus Luis Pereira and Maria Soares
I need help reading the marriage record of Mateus and Maria. It is at the bottom of the right side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P83.html I see 12/4/1701 in Altares. Groom Mateus (Luis) Pereira, son of Antonio? and Maria Pereira of Piedade? Marries Maria (Joaquina) Soares, daughter of Gaspar Fernandes Coelho and (Isabel Soares) () denotes information I have extracted from other records. Please make sure I’m reading this correctly. The style of writing is a little harder to read and then the faded ink is not helping as well as the missing part of the page at the bottom. I can not read the groom parents information. Thank you, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d39ea2d.1c69fb81.a6bff.d977%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading 1716 Altares marriage record of Pedro Cota and Angela de Sao Mateus
Please help me read this record. I’m struggling with the priest fancy handwriting. I have been trying to read several pages of these marriage records and on this one I can not eve find the groom’s name or his information. I see something about a Maria Francisca? I see maybe Angela de Sao Mateus. The record is on the right side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P12.html Thank you, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d38a3c6.1c69fb81.d1f8f.3a35%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Primeira d’este
I remember research two brothers with same name but they had very different surnames. In fact it was hard to tied the one to the family except It was mentioned in a baptism as a brother. That’s when I knew I had been overlooking this one thinking I did not know how to place him in a tree. It is also confusing because the men ( in certain families) change their surnames at a certain point in their lives. This is why I started to create a timeline to locate when the name changes so maybe I can note why. Still working on that one. One thing I work every hard at doing is trying to connect godparents with their families in my tree. I wish I was better at reading Portuguese because I think the witnesses at weddings would also hold valuable information for making connections and completing family groups. I thank God for this group to help with the reading of the records. I would love to have a discussion with people who are more skilled then I am to see if what I’m thinking might have some merit or am I just wasting my time. Have a great day. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 8:19 AM To: Azores Google Group Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Primeira d’este Cheri I’m sure you’re right but I am someone that has two Manuels, both lived, and had families…… Not sure if I’m the example you mentioned or not? When I first discovered this, I assumed the first Manuel had died. I knew the second Manuel had lived …. he married the sister of his oldest brother, Francisco, so I never researched that first Manuel. Eventually, after being contacted by another researcher, we realized that HER Manuel was the first one in the family, the one I had assumed had died. (He had changed his last name to Rodgers, possibly to distinguish him from his brother.) This was proven, by the way, with, among other things, his obituary that listed all his siblings, including my Francisco Pereira da Rosa! Pretty exciting and a reminder to all of us to keep an open mind and make no assumptions without proving or disproving them. Oh, also, this family had two Maria Delfinas! Thanks a lot, da Rosas, lol. I have never seen this in any other of my families with Manuels. Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ ~~~ On Jul 21, 2019, at 6:27 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: So if you see a Manuel, first of the name, then see a Manuel, 2nd of the name, the 1st one has died. Yes, someone on this list has found 2 Manuels, both married and had kids. However, I'd say that was pretty rare. So generally, the first boy has died. Cheri -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/855432A7-BA76-4C45-8C5C-917A5FF09C7A%40me.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d34e681.1c69fb81.48e83.1804%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares Godparents
I believe the godparents in this record are Antonio Machado, son of Antonio Machado, and Beatriz de Melo. wife of Antonio Machado. So is it the mother and son that area godparents? And is there anything else added to the name? Record is at the top of the left page http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1690-1707/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1690-1707_item1/P125.html Thanks again Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d2a0f34.1c69fb81.d5cab.1000%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading the godparents' names of my 5th Great Aunt
Good Morning everyone, I’ve located the baptism of my 5th great aunt and I can not read the godparents names. It starts on the bottom of the left side and continues to the topic of the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1690-1707/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1690-1707_item1/P128.html I see Juliana, daughter of Captain Manuel Mendes and his wife Gracia dos Anjos Evangelha, native of Sao Roque of Altares, born May 3rd?, 1706, Baptism by Joseph de Melo, For Godparents Beneficiado Diogo Pereira de Melo??fa???Ignacia e Maria do Espirito Santo, daughter of Alferes Salvador Lourenco and his wife Isabel da Conceicao . Thanks for your help, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d29f8a5.1c69fb81.2c059.49dd%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Death record
Once again I find myself needing help. This time a death record. I just do not have the language skills to read this. I working with someone on their tree and it seems to be a mixture of several other trees with just dates. So when I look to fin the record that goes with that date I think I’m finding a LOT of misread records. BUT since my skills are so elementary I do not want to disregard someone else’s work. Top of the page. It is suppose to be a death record for a Beatriz Cota, married to Domingos Nunes Coelho. Thanks http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1707-1747_item1/P4.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d237122.1c69fb81.9ba87.6d09%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Biscoitos Baptism record
I think there is an error in this Biscoitos Baptism. What does the margin say? In the text it indicated the baby as Domingas, a daughter of Gaspar Alvares and Isabel Nunes. I have seen this posted in an online tree as Domingos, their son. And the way Im reading it the godparents are Manuel Goncalves and Apolania Nunes of Altares http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1625-1650/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1625-1650_item1/P94.html Thanks, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d2224a8.1c69fb81.fb08b.8880%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about the relationship of godparentsto the child
Thank you. Now I just need to figure out if Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt the father or son that is in my database. Have a great day. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hughes Roselyn Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 11:10 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about the relationship of godparentsto the child Hi Doreen: Looks like "sua irma" - his sister. Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt and D. Benedicta Rosa are brother and sister and natives of this same parish of Sao Roque. Roselyn On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:37 AM wrote: There is a note about the relationship of the godparents but I can get through the language. I just see Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt and D. Benedicta Rosa ??Irmao. It is the record for Maria on the lower right side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1815-1826/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1815-1826_item1/P88.html Thank you in advance. Doreen caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d20dc3a.1c69fb81.88f37.48ef%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKuhzxeUAt-RdaGD4dAnMZmMfij9kUeF%2BecZ9-JjeGiXK_kotQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d20f1c3.1c69fb81.51ec8.6773%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Question about the relationship of godparents to the child
There is a note about the relationship of the godparents but I can get through the language. I just see Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt and D. Benedicta Rosa ??Irmao. It is the record for Maria on the lower right side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1815-1826/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1815-1826_item1/P88.html Thank you in advance. Doreen caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d20dc3a.1c69fb81.88f37.48ef%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Altares Marriage Record from 168
I’m having problems with the groom’s parents’ names. The record is on the lower right side of the page. It is for Joao Coelho and Catarina Nunes, daughter of Manuel Gomes and Isabel Mendes. I see ? (maybe Pedro) Coelho, deceased and Anna ? (maybe Gaspar?) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P43.html Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d1118c2.1c69fb81.968ad.60a0%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage record for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira Marriage index. It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P80.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d110266.1c69fb81.6af03.38c4%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Altares Marriage records does not havethebride's name?
This is the first time I have seen a record without a bride’s name and info. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rosemarie Capodicci Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 10:14 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Altares Marriage records does not havethebride's name? Doreen, I don't see a bride's name either. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 8:59 AM wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P40.html Top left side of the page. Thanks Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rosemarie Capodicci Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 8:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Altares Marriage records does not have thebride's name? Doreen, send the link. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 8:27 AM wrote: I might be missing something here but the bride’s name seems to be missing from this record. It is the marriage record of Joao Martins Gil and Rosa Clara (according to the margin note. I believe it states on 4/6/1801 with Thome Ferreira da Costa and Manuel Lopes as witnesses, Joao Martins Gil, son of Antonio Jacinto and Antonia Theresa, natural to the church of Altares.? No mention of the bride. I must be missing it. Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0f9a59.1c69fb81.8806f.b87a%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKnzR7m__jb0OBSbDa3ryKHX8_ZNcySg4d2%2B1gyU_j7TSHCgsA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0fa1d6.1c69fb81.980ab.8381%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKnzR7n4X_6XiOeJOgLgiBvVTb3w%3DR0N%3D83cmWOmhTw_fkxW3Q%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0fb3b0.1c69fb81.b5805.d8bb%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Altares Marriage records does not have thebride's name?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P40.html Top left side of the page. Thanks Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rosemarie Capodicci Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 8:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Altares Marriage records does not have thebride's name? Doreen, send the link. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 8:27 AM wrote: I might be missing something here but the bride’s name seems to be missing from this record. It is the marriage record of Joao Martins Gil and Rosa Clara (according to the margin note. I believe it states on 4/6/1801 with Thome Ferreira da Costa and Manuel Lopes as witnesses, Joao Martins Gil, son of Antonio Jacinto and Antonia Theresa, natural to the church of Altares.? No mention of the bride. I must be missing it. Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0f9a59.1c69fb81.8806f.b87a%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKnzR7m__jb0OBSbDa3ryKHX8_ZNcySg4d2%2B1gyU_j7TSHCgsA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0fa1d6.1c69fb81.980ab.8381%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Altares Marriage records does not have the bride's name?
I might be missing something here but the bride’s name seems to be missing from this record. It is the marriage record of Joao Martins Gil and Rosa Clara (according to the margin note. I believe it states on 4/6/1801 with Thome Ferreira da Costa and Manuel Lopes as witnesses, Joao Martins Gil, son of Antonio Jacinto and Antonia Theresa, natural to the church of Altares.? No mention of the bride. I must be missing it. Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0f9a59.1c69fb81.8806f.b87a%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading part of the AltaresBaptismreferencing the godparents
Since it was in several records I was thinking it might have become a nickname but I guess not. Since I do not speak the language I do not know if that could have been or is it even a possibility…for that word to be used as a nickname. Thanks for your help. Have a great time at the conference. I wish I was able to travel but my leg still gives me problems and traveling alone is very difficult for me. I will be thinking of all of you that are lucky enough to be able to attend. God bless and keep you safe. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rosemarie Capodicci Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 3:53 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading part of the AltaresBaptismreferencing the godparents Stone mason. Go out to Google Translate and you can get a good idea of some of the words. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 2:42 PM wrote: What does pedeiro mean? I saw this word after his name in another record. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JR Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 8:02 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading part of the Altares Baptismreferencing the godparents You got it right. It says ...filhos familias de Antonio Martins, pedreiro, e sua mer. Maria Nunes todos freguezias desta dita parcochial... On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:38:18 AM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote: I have most of the information from Francisca (Ignacia) baptism record. Her parents are Joam Martins Gil and Maria do Espirito Santo. I’m trying to get the information about the godparents. I have Manuel Martins Gil and Theresa de Jesus, children of Antonio Martins ? and his wife Maria Nunes. The record is on the lower left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P140.html Thank you, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/7adb3e36-e43f-40f8-bf51-e97c3b257d4c%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0d4f26.1c69fb81.6805f.df17%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKnzR7kuZQWQmwmhTgv2j-gam2BL%3DA_yq%3DUSSj2UAoCGipE7wA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0d6756.1c69fb81.39ee3.df13%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading part of the Altares Baptismreferencing the godparents
What does pedeiro mean? I saw this word after his name in another record. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JR Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 8:02 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading part of the Altares Baptismreferencing the godparents You got it right. It says ...filhos familias de Antonio Martins, pedreiro, e sua mer. Maria Nunes todos freguezias desta dita parcochial... On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 9:38:18 AM UTC-4, doreencaetano wrote: I have most of the information from Francisca (Ignacia) baptism record. Her parents are Joam Martins Gil and Maria do Espirito Santo. I’m trying to get the information about the godparents. I have Manuel Martins Gil and Theresa de Jesus, children of Antonio Martins ? and his wife Maria Nunes. The record is on the lower left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P140.html Thank you, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/7adb3e36-e43f-40f8-bf51-e97c3b257d4c%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0d4f26.1c69fb81.6805f.df17%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Need help reading part of the Altares Baptism referencing the godparents
I have most of the information from Francisca (Ignacia) baptism record. Her parents are Joam Martins Gil and Maria do Espirito Santo. I’m trying to get the information about the godparents. I have Manuel Martins Gil and Theresa de Jesus, children of Antonio Martins ? and his wife Maria Nunes. The record is on the lower left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P140.html Thank you, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0cddc5.1c69fb81.cc680.a1ba%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
Yes I see that now but only after I started type and checking what I was saying then I realized that there had to be more on the previous page. I would have never figured it out without that swift kick from you in the right direction. Thank you Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:12 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record Doreen, you are looking at page two of Francisco’s marriage, if you go back one image from 189 to image number 188 you will see it. Yes, according to this marriage link you sent Antonio dos Santos Marques is the father. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2019, at 6:04 PM, wrote: Ok. I might be confused. I sent a link for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca Ignacia marriage. The records is very hard to read and is damaged. You sent me a link for Antonio Marques dos Santos and Clara Maria marriage. Are you saying that Antonio and Clara are the parents of Francisco? Because at this point have nothing that connects Francisco to Antonio. I can not read the marriage record of Francisco. What do you have that links these two? Also I see Joao Martins Gil but it is at the top of the page. Shouldn’t there be the date, witnesses etc. Wait I see what you did. It is on the previous page. I feel so dumb. Too closely focus on one thing to see the whole thing. Thanks you so much. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:02 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record Ok, I thought you were looking for the grooms parents. In any case this page gives you the name of the bride’s father…right at the top you will note Joao Mzi [Miz] Gil, “Joao Martins Gil” this should be enough for you to find her baptism record. Cheers, m From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: June 20, 2019 12:17 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record My link is for Francisco Marques dos Santos. I already had Antonio in the database. I do not know how or if they connect. I have the Terceira Marriage Index downloaded to my computer and that is how I know the information I already know and just a random search for related records gave me the death records. I guess that is my only solution to keep randomly search through the time period for more records. Thank you for your help. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:57 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record Doreen, You will find it as Antonio dos Santos Marques, left side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P83.html There’s an index available on line for the marriages for Terceira island but, I can’t find the link, perhaps someone here can help with that. It will make it so much easier for you. I think you may be able to get it through the Tombo site. Mv From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: June 20, 2019 11:38 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record This is what I know about this record: It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca Ignacia. They were married in 1763 in Altares. It is the record at the top of the left side of the page. What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade on 1/2/1784 in Altares, Here’s that marriage record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0ba85c.1c69fb81.25cf7.05f4%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
Ok. I might be confused. I sent a link for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca Ignacia marriage. The records is very hard to read and is damaged. You sent me a link for Antonio Marques dos Santos and Clara Maria marriage. Are you saying that Antonio and Clara are the parents of Francisco? Because at this point have nothing that connects Francisco to Antonio. I can not read the marriage record of Francisco. What do you have that links these two? Also I see Joao Martins Gil but it is at the top of the page. Shouldn’t there be the date, witnesses etc. Wait I see what you did. It is on the previous page. I feel so dumb. Too closely focus on one thing to see the whole thing. Thanks you so much. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:02 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record Ok, I thought you were looking for the grooms parents. In any case this page gives you the name of the bride’s father…right at the top you will note Joao Mzi [Miz] Gil, “Joao Martins Gil” this should be enough for you to find her baptism record. Cheers, m From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: June 20, 2019 12:17 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record My link is for Francisco Marques dos Santos. I already had Antonio in the database. I do not know how or if they connect. I have the Terceira Marriage Index downloaded to my computer and that is how I know the information I already know and just a random search for related records gave me the death records. I guess that is my only solution to keep randomly search through the time period for more records. Thank you for your help. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:57 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record Doreen, You will find it as Antonio dos Santos Marques, left side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P83.html There’s an index available on line for the marriages for Terceira island but, I can’t find the link, perhaps someone here can help with that. It will make it so much easier for you. I think you may be able to get it through the Tombo site. Mv From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: June 20, 2019 11:38 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record This is what I know about this record: It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca Ignacia. They were married in 1763 in Altares. It is the record at the top of the left side of the page. What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade on 1/2/1784 in Altares, Here’s that marriage record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0ba85c.1c69fb81.25cf7.05f4%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0bacce.1c69fb81.fb077.0ace%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0bb17a.1c69fb81.15d6e.05bf%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
My link is for Francisco Marques dos Santos. I already had Antonio in the database. I do not know how or if they connect. I have the Terceira Marriage Index downloaded to my computer and that is how I know the information I already know and just a random search for related records gave me the death records. I guess that is my only solution to keep randomly search through the time period for more records. Thank you for your help. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Margaret Vicente Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:57 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record Doreen, You will find it as Antonio dos Santos Marques, left side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P83.html There’s an index available on line for the marriages for Terceira island but, I can’t find the link, perhaps someone here can help with that. It will make it so much easier for you. I think you may be able to get it through the Tombo site. Mv From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: June 20, 2019 11:38 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record This is what I know about this record: It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca Ignacia. They were married in 1763 in Altares. It is the record at the top of the left side of the page. What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade on 1/2/1784 in Altares, Here’s that marriage record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0ba85c.1c69fb81.25cf7.05f4%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0bacce.1c69fb81.fb077.0ace%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0bb17a.1c69fb81.15d6e.05bf%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.html Sorry. It was missing the l at the end of the address. The above link is been corrected. Thanks Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:47 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record Your first link isn't working. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 8:38 AM wrote: This is what I know about this record: It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca Ignacia. They were married in 1763 in Altares. It is the record at the top of the left side of the page. What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade on 1/2/1784 in Altares, Here’s that marriage record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0ba85c.1c69fb81.25cf7.05f4%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_E4%3D_9MLntqPNgP-ffiGorRS_kYkq0%3DkKekpUTok3YwLw%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0bace7.1c69fb81.66fce.52da%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read this Altares Marriage record
This is what I know about this record: It is the marriage record for Francisco Marques dos Santos and Francisca Ignacia. They were married in 1763 in Altares. It is the record at the top of the left side of the page. What I would like to find is the parents’ names. Any ideas? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P189.htm Here is Francisca’s death record on the top of the left side of the page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1781-1796_item1/P13.html I know they had two children: Maria Joaquina (About 1749 – 2/22/1851) and Miguel Marques dos Santos(- 2/2/1782). I have their death records I know that Francisco Marques dos Santos was married to Apolonia da Trindade on 1/2/1784 in Altares, Here’s that marriage record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P93.html Thanks, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0ba85c.1c69fb81.25cf7.05f4%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading baptism record 1828 Altares
Thank you. I will now check to see how big of a mess I have in my database. Upon further analysis I may have more questions. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Philippe Garnier Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 4:25 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with reading baptism record 1828 Altares Hi Doreen, On the Francisca's baptism is : Francisca filha de "Francisco digo" Manoel Cardoso ... On the mariage of Francisco Cardoso Jaques : he is not widow of Francisca Rosa but : "filho de outro do mesmo nome e de sua mulher Francisca Rosa. This Francisco is the brother of Manoel Cardoso married with Isabel Felicia (or Isabel da Conceição). Abs Philippe Garnier Paris - France https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira Le mardi 18 juin 2019 16:23:04 UTC+2, doreencaetano a écrit : Well I might have a problem…. If I’m reading this correctly have a baptism record for Francisca, daughter of Manuel Cardoso and Isabel da Conceicao of Altares , born 2/1/1828. Francisca’s godparents are Jose Cardoso, son of Francisco Cardoso, and his mother Francisca Rosa http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P37.html Here’s the parent’s marriage. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P123.html Now here is the problem…I have the marriage of Francisco Cardoso, widow of Francisca Rosa, marrying Maria Rosa, daughter of Joao Goncalves Coelho and Rosa Joaquina in 1823. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P122.html This means that Francisca Rosa, Francisco first wife, passed away before this 2nd marriage and thus she could not be alive in 1828 for the baptism of her granddaughter. Right? I know this is asking a lot (to read 3 records and check to see if I read something wrong) but I need help straighten out the mess I created in my database. Thank you for your assistance. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/07db5e30-ce99-4f75-9944-272231990bef%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0b9ebc.1c69fb81.3a4bc.8b16%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with reading baptism record 1828 Altares
Well I might have a problem…. If I’m reading this correctly have a baptism record for Francisca, daughter of Manuel Cardoso and Isabel da Conceicao of Altares , born 2/1/1828. Francisca’s godparents are Jose Cardoso, son of Francisco Cardoso, and his mother Francisca Rosa http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P37.html Here’s the parent’s marriage. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P123.html Now here is the problem…I have the marriage of Francisco Cardoso, widow of Francisca Rosa, marrying Maria Rosa, daughter of Joao Goncalves Coelho and Rosa Joaquina in 1823. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1787-1831_item1/P122.html This means that Francisca Rosa, Francisco first wife, passed away before this 2nd marriage and thus she could not be alive in 1828 for the baptism of her granddaughter. Right? I know this is asking a lot (to read 3 records and check to see if I read something wrong) but I need help straighten out the mess I created in my database. Thank you for your assistance. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d08f3c3.1c69fb81.16cd2.ce7e%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name
Thank you. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: William Seidler Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 11:56 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name I've never seen that but apparently the colon goes between compound surnames: Gonçalves:Ferreira (groom), Gonçalves:Ferreira (groom's father), then I believe Gonçalves:Fialho for the bride's father. Bill Seidler On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: I noticed the priest/scribe did that after all 4 parents names. Maybe someone else who researches your freguesia knows. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:59 AM wrote: Thanks. Now I do not feel so bad about not being able to make it out. I wondered about the colon too. The first letter looks like the f in Ferreira earlier in the record but then it does not follow the same pattern for Ferreira and that would give the groom and bride the same family names. Maybe Faria but maybe it starts with a T instead…then it could be ? Thanks again. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:42 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name Yes, Goncalves is abbreviated. But I don't know what's up with the colon and the hyphenated word that comes next. After that word, it says he is already dead. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM wrote: I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ? The record is on the bottom of the left side. Thanks Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d067d17.1c69fb81.c7825.9969%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GKD8VcCK%2Bji%2Bhi8tDkmHSYPmn2CigCYGYqNzE7KqH2LQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d06838d.1c69fb81.c14f9.fe26%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/8eb89077-ddb9-43c6-bb66-15cca88abdb8%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d06970e.1c69fb81.cef0f.b472%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name
Thanks. Now I do not feel so bad about not being able to make it out. I wondered about the colon too. The first letter looks like the f in Ferreira earlier in the record but then it does not follow the same pattern for Ferreira and that would give the groom and bride the same family names. Maybe Faria but maybe it starts with a T instead…then it could be ? Thanks again. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:42 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name Yes, Goncalves is abbreviated. But I don't know what's up with the colon and the hyphenated word that comes next. After that word, it says he is already dead. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM wrote: I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ? The record is on the bottom of the left side. Thanks Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d067d17.1c69fb81.c7825.9969%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GKD8VcCK%2Bji%2Bhi8tDkmHSYPmn2CigCYGYqNzE7KqH2LQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d06838d.1c69fb81.c14f9.fe26%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism
I’m so glad you responded. I believe the godfather to be the Antonio Coelho de Melo who changed his name to Antonio Coelho Berbereia. I think the godmother is his sister Rosa Emillianna. Please take another look at the record to see if that is what you think it could be. Thanks Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Philippe Garnier Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:24 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism Hi Doreen, Antonio son of Agostinho Coelho de Melo and Maria de Nazaré Born : 1827, january 23 baptised : 1827, february 6 Godparents (I'm note sure) : o Padre Antonio Cabral de melo Cura em S. Bento e Rosa Guilhermina Abraços Philippe Garnier Paris - France https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira Le dimanche 16 juin 2019 15:23:49 UTC+2, doreencaetano a écrit : Thank you for repairing my link to the record. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: William Seidler Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 1:13 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism CCA is fine. Doreen's link is missing the end. Here is the link: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P19.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/fd906157-dfaa-470a-a097-e4de910eafe7%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/decd0f7e-e025-46ab-8514-0ff822f3a391%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0681ce.1c69fb81.f2611.c7d2%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name
I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ? The record is on the bottom of the left side. Thanks Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d067d17.1c69fb81.c7825.9969%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism
Thank you for repairing my link to the record. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: William Seidler Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 1:13 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism CCA is fine. Doreen's link is missing the end. Here is the link: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P19.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/fd906157-dfaa-470a-a097-e4de910eafe7%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0642e0.1c69fb81.19f2f.a653%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism
Ok thanks I really need this one. It appears that I sent another plea for help today on a baptism but attached a wedding record. No wonder I could not make it out May be can get this request removed? Thanks Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rosemarie Capodicci Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 8:32 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism Doreen, It looks like you are out-of-luck for a few days as the CCA is down, at least the two links you have given are showinga 404 Error. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 8:03 AM wrote: Good Morning, I have a baptism with a few places that is difficult for me to read. It is on the lower right side of the page http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P What I can make out is it’s the daughter? (If it is a girl I can not make out the name, if it is a boy then it is Antonio), Child of Agostinho Coelho de Melo and Maria de Nazareth. The parents are from Altares. The baby was born 1/28/1827. The godparents are Antonio Coelho de Melo? Then I think it was corrected to Berbereia (which makes sense since many of the Coelho de Melo men change their names to Coelho Berbereia sometime during their lives…I think it is after their namesake dies but I still constructing a timeline for the name changes to see it that is the case) and godmother Rosa Emillanna. Please Help me with this record. Is the baby a boy or girl? Is there a name change on the godparent? Do I have the birth date correct. Did I miss any information? I believe the godparents to be the paternal uncle and aunt. Also it is another date to maybe note a change in name. Thanks again. Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d03b750.1c69fb81.65cea.9581%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKnzR7%3Dg5JZzxj4U-BTUqMcB6ioL12u6TcX3Oksx%3DQ2A6CBGJQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d03bebc.1c69fb81.1c447.9e8e%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism that does not follow the usual order
The record does not follow the normal format. I have this couple in my database but have very little documentation of them. I believe it is talking about Luis Lopes Lourenco and Gertrudes Marianna. Any additional information would be helpful. It is at the bottom of the page on the right side. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P Thank you Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d03b9fa.1c69fb81.71d06.93e5%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares baptism.
And according to the parents’ marriage the mother was born in Altares. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 1:19 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares baptism. The freguesias are only a couple of miles apart. Depending on where they lived in the freguesia, the other church may have been closer. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 1:16 PM Cheri Mello wrote: I had Antonio Jacinto Fernandes, but moved the laptop to angle the light and said maybe it could be Couto, as that is what Doreen mentioned. The bleed through documents are a pain! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 1:11 PM William Seidler wrote: The mother is Rosa Joaquina as Cheri said. I can't explain why I typed Jacinta (misremembered while typing?) Bill Seidler On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 1:07:09 PM UTC-7, William Seidler wrote: It appears the couple married two months later after getting the dispensation (3d to 4th degree consanguinity) that probably held their marriage up. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-C-1822-1849/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-C-1822-1849_item1/P33.html (right side) Bill Seidler On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 1:00:30 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote: Thank you Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: William Seidler Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:58 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares baptism. I think the father is Antonio Jacinto Fernandes, single; and the mother is Rosa Jacinta, single, daughter of Jacinto do Couto and his wife Joaquina Maria (I think also from Biscoitos) The godfather is Manuel do Couto, brother of the mother. Madrinha is Barbara de Jesus (Vieira or Viuva). Bill Seidler On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 11:45:03 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: Father: Antonio do Couto. Single, from Biscoitos. Mom: Rosa Joaquina, single, daughter of Jacinto do Scribble Scrabble and his wife, Joaquina (?) Maria, native of Biscoitos and parishioners of Sao Roque. Gods: Manuel do Couto, brother da Something of the baptized (I want to say father? but it almost looks like mother - the dad is the Couto), and Barbara de Jesus Vieira. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 8:59 AM wrote: I need help reading the names in this baptism record I think it says Manuel, son of Antonio??? From Biscoitos, and Maria Lourenca from Biscoitos?. Is it saying they are single? Is it listing her parents? In the area of the godparents is it referring to a brother? Top right side of the page. Help Thanks again. Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P16.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0272dc.1c69fb81.8f519.04d2%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/eebce3f2-f322-4845-b8e6-3e94997efa83%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/4db66b23-95c5-4f7e-9d3b-8d0ee72572fc%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_E7UwJQBZ7B4tF0D2Cd73w%2BkVQSoVLHtdJdmkGJPCUMFg%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Gen
[AZORES-Genealogy] Cannot make out names in this Altares baptism.
I need help reading the names in this baptism record I think it says Manuel, son of Antonio??? From Biscoitos, and Maria Lourenca from Biscoitos?. Is it saying they are single? Is it listing her parents? In the area of the godparents is it referring to a brother? Top right side of the page. Help Thanks again. Doreen Caetano http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P16.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0272dc.1c69fb81.8f519.04d2%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Altares Baptism
Thank you. Its Francisco Jose Xavier and Guiomar dos Anjos my 3rd Great Grandparents. I will bookmark the link. I was confused because it mentioned Sao Jorge so I thought not Terceira. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 10:58 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with Altares Baptism The father is Sao Roque. The mother is Doze Ribeiras. You can use the maps on the Azores Genweb to find a word shape that looks similar to what you are seeing in the document. http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/maps-churches-and-villages/ Godparents look like Antonio Jose e Maria da Something Rosa, children of Francisco Jose da Scribble Scrabble and of his wife, Ginor (??) dos Anjos. More help please! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 10:40 AM wrote: Getting started again researching. I’m having difficulty with this baptism record for Bento on the bottom of the left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P5.html It mentions another village for one of the parents and I can not make out the godparents’ information. Seems like I’m very rusty. Thank you for your help. Doreen Cadetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d013919.1c69fb81.e1338.065b%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_FmBH55BpVdt3sgm7mh1%2BA_B-%2BtNxYBdD0otOdAZ4ki6w%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d0143ea.1c69fb81.82374.0d9c%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] help with Altares Baptism
Getting started again researching. I’m having difficulty with this baptism record for Bento on the bottom of the left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P5.html It mentions another village for one of the parents and I can not make out the godparents’ information. Seems like I’m very rusty. Thank you for your help. Doreen Cadetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5d013919.1c69fb81.e1338.065b%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noble Lines
Thank you this was very helpful. I’m noting in my database that the information came from this website. I had already got some of it from a book that Joao Ventura did for me and some Wiki articles on the history of various historical people. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Fernando Pimentel Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 4:55 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Noble Lines I used https://geneall.net - I think it was created by 4 or 5 Portuguese historians. It has current people as well and you can contribute, but I think it goes through a vetting process. The noble lines are color coded so it’s easy to follow. If you just want to look at previous kings, go to the main menu, select Former Royal House then Portugal. They are usually good at putting the source as well. You do have to register and for some content you have to pay ($40 year roughly). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/8a755ad1-8f36-4cb7-84da-4e0002270646%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5cdae767.1c69fb81.41b5a.d5b7%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com
Will do. Thank you for the advice. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:15 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com If it's WikiTrees, I'm pretty sure that's user created content. If they have sourcing, go to the source. If there's no sourcing, then view it as "amusing" or something. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:38 AM wrote: My last question was not clear. When I said Wiki I mean the articles and the diagrams they have for the royal lines. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:02 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com I think only on Family Search's "One World Family Tree" (or whatever they call it) allows editing by anyone. And WikiTrees allows editing by anyone as well. Ancestry, My Heritage, and Geni have some type of trees managed by an individual. Kalani's view of Geni is worse than that of Ancestry's trees. I can't print what he calls them. I'll have to ask him why next time I see him. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:56 AM Ângela Loura wrote: Doreen, once you start merging your info with other peoples trees you lose control of your own information and people can edit it. Cheri Mello escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s) 19:37: It's user input. Same as Ancestry.com. You could put your parents as Popeye the Sailor and Olive Oil. People will copy it. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM wrote: Happy Mother’s Day. I’m looking into the Royal and Noble lines of Portugal. I have been looking at the Geni.com. I’m wondering about the accuracy of the information. Does anyone in the group have an opinion on this subject? I wanting to use it in my tree but maybe I should just copy and file it under personal notes. What do you think? Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5cd85abe.1c69fb81.3f656.697d%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_Ep8hmBcZqhfFjapv0B04AYQNsuHnijOvyxtS1bp3UQxQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAHSkNFfLmVuT%3DDe9jEJKooCyAHZ48Y2Pf7dXArWMR3CaAuOdYA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GGw2rLoGenZtsr9hGM%2BBe1F%3DqbK_mSrwpgTF6hLUdDJA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5cd97359.1c69fb81.db4c7.67b1%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_FRwRn1qRX_GXeEmMtGT2J%3DVTdKkL_Rfp4%2BEouwKMAV_A%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com
My last question was not clear. When I said Wiki I mean the articles and the diagrams they have for the royal lines. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:02 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com I think only on Family Search's "One World Family Tree" (or whatever they call it) allows editing by anyone. And WikiTrees allows editing by anyone as well. Ancestry, My Heritage, and Geni have some type of trees managed by an individual. Kalani's view of Geni is worse than that of Ancestry's trees. I can't print what he calls them. I'll have to ask him why next time I see him. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:56 AM Ângela Loura wrote: Doreen, once you start merging your info with other peoples trees you lose control of your own information and people can edit it. Cheri Mello escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s) 19:37: It's user input. Same as Ancestry.com. You could put your parents as Popeye the Sailor and Olive Oil. People will copy it. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM wrote: Happy Mother’s Day. I’m looking into the Royal and Noble lines of Portugal. I have been looking at the Geni.com. I’m wondering about the accuracy of the information. Does anyone in the group have an opinion on this subject? I wanting to use it in my tree but maybe I should just copy and file it under personal notes. What do you think? Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5cd85abe.1c69fb81.3f656.697d%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_Ep8hmBcZqhfFjapv0B04AYQNsuHnijOvyxtS1bp3UQxQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAHSkNFfLmVuT%3DDe9jEJKooCyAHZ48Y2Pf7dXArWMR3CaAuOdYA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GGw2rLoGenZtsr9hGM%2BBe1F%3DqbK_mSrwpgTF6hLUdDJA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5cd97359.1c69fb81.db4c7.67b1%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com
Thank you for your input. One more question. What about Info from Wiki? Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 1:26 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com I don't like the Geni trees either. Especially for our Portuguese ancestors that often have same names. People merge them into their own tree and as mentioned you lose control. Denise D'Antona -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello To: Azores Genealogy Sent: Sun, May 12, 2019 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com I think only on Family Search's "One World Family Tree" (or whatever they call it) allows editing by anyone. And WikiTrees allows editing by anyone as well. Ancestry, My Heritage, and Geni have some type of trees managed by an individual. Kalani's view of Geni is worse than that of Ancestry's trees. I can't print what he calls them. I'll have to ask him why next time I see him. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:56 AM Ângela Loura wrote: Doreen, once you start merging your info with other peoples trees you lose control of your own information and people can edit it. Cheri Mello escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s) 19:37: It's user input. Same as Ancestry.com. You could put your parents as Popeye the Sailor and Olive Oil. People will copy it. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM wrote: Happy Mother’s Day. I’m looking into the Royal and Noble lines of Portugal. I have been looking at the Geni.com. I’m wondering about the accuracy of the information. Does anyone in the group have an opinion on this subject? I wanting to use it in my tree but maybe I should just copy and file it under personal notes. What do you think? Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5cd85abe.1c69fb81.3f656.697d%40mx.google.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_Ep8hmBcZqhfFjapv0B04AYQNsuHnijOvyxtS1bp3UQxQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAHSkNFfLmVuT%3DDe9jEJKooCyAHZ48Y2Pf7dXArWMR3CaAuOdYA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CAKUUw_GGw2rLoGenZtsr9hGM%2BBe1F%3DqbK_mSrwpgTF6hLUdDJA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/328780802.1082142.1557692773129%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5cd972a8.1c69fb81.cc818.32a8%40mx.google.com.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Accuracy of Geni.com
Happy Mother’s Day. I’m looking into the Royal and Noble lines of Portugal. I have been looking at the Geni.com. I’m wondering about the accuracy of the information. Does anyone in the group have an opinion on this subject? I wanting to use it in my tree but maybe I should just copy and file it under personal notes. What do you think? Sincerely, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5cd85abe.1c69fb81.3f656.697d%40mx.google.com.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Doze Ribeiras and Serreta, Terceira Island.
Good morning. I have used Joao’s services and he is great. He is fast and reasonably priced. He is conducting a workshop in California. I think it is the first part of May. Sincerely, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Emanuel Teixeira Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 7:52 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Doze Ribeiras and Serreta, Terceira Island. Hello, I came across a message of yours in the Azores Genealogy group about Doze Ribeiras and Serreta Genealogy. I may be interested in obtaining this information, depending on the cost and accuracy. Below is the message...it is a bit old. Please give me more information. This is a duplicate -- Original Message -- From: "'joao ventura' via Azores Genealogy" To: "Azores Genealogy" Sent: 4/27/2017 7:08:03 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Doze Ribeiras and Serreta, Terceira Island. I have finished the genealogy of Doze Ribeiras and Serreta, in Terceira Island, from 1911 back to the earliest records. Other villages completed: Terceira Island: Ribeirinha, Feteira, Porto Judeu, São Sebastião, Fonte do Bastardo, Cabo da Praia, Fontinhas, Agualva, Quatro Ribeiras, Altares, Raminho, São Mateus São Jorge Island: Norte Grande, Norte Pequeno, Ribeira Seca and Santo Amaro Flores Island: Lomba São Miguel Island: Livramento Those interested in obtaining information, please contact me privatly at: hero...@yahoo.com João Ventura Professional Genealogist Terceira Island -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Doze Ribeiras and Serreta, Terceira Island.
Good morning. I have used Joao’s services and he is great. He is fast and reasonably priced. He is conducting a workshop in California. I think it is the first part of May. Sincerely, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Emanuel Teixeira Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 7:52 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Doze Ribeiras and Serreta, Terceira Island. Hello, I came across a message of yours in the Azores Genealogy group about Doze Ribeiras and Serreta Genealogy. I may be interested in obtaining this information, depending on the cost and accuracy. Below is the message...it is a bit old. Please give me more information. This is a duplicate -- Original Message -- From: "'joao ventura' via Azores Genealogy" To: "Azores Genealogy" Sent: 4/27/2017 7:08:03 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Doze Ribeiras and Serreta, Terceira Island. I have finished the genealogy of Doze Ribeiras and Serreta, in Terceira Island, from 1911 back to the earliest records. Other villages completed: Terceira Island: Ribeirinha, Feteira, Porto Judeu, São Sebastião, Fonte do Bastardo, Cabo da Praia, Fontinhas, Agualva, Quatro Ribeiras, Altares, Raminho, São Mateus São Jorge Island: Norte Grande, Norte Pequeno, Ribeira Seca and Santo Amaro Flores Island: Lomba São Miguel Island: Livramento Those interested in obtaining information, please contact me privatly at: hero...@yahoo.com João Ventura Professional Genealogist Terceira Island -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria?
One day I discovered my 2nd great grandparents, Jose Ferreira de Ormonde and Catarina Rosa of Altares lost three daughters in one week. First was the baby, Maria (2/4/1844-5/5/1844) then Isabel (11/21/1839- 5/14/1844) and Maria Candida (4/30/1841-5/14/1844) on the same day. I always have trouble reading the obit records but I got so upset I could not continue to do research. I can not imagine how they could bear the loss. I share this information with several relatives. We thought the same thing …maybe a disease … but then it could have been an accident where the older girls survive for several days. It is too sad to think about. I just offer up prayers for them and what they had to go through. I often wondered if it would be in the annual records of Terceira. Since I can not read the books (written by Francisco Ferreira Drummond) I can not even check to see. Wish I could speak and read Portuguese. I do not think the records says what they died of. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:31 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria? Hope no one reads this while drinking their morning coffee or having a meal. Sanitation (or lack thereof) could be a cause. I was researching a non-Portuguese line in Kentucky in the 1850s. And they had death records! First the 2 or 3 year old dies. Two weeks later, mom dies and the 8 year old dies only 2 days after the mom. Cause of death: Flux. Old term for dysentery. I had to look that one up too. Really bad diarrhea. I could only imagine the mom, who washed the diapers and other clothes, then went to cook or peel potatoes or something. Or even kissed or touched the other child with infected hands. Wiped his nose. Anything. Hand washing wasn't a thing back then. And I'm guessing it was the same all over the world. I saw a PBS show where a doctor was trying to figure out all these people dying in one location and then a random person several miles away. Who it turned out was in the core area (lack of sanitation) and picked up the illness. The stuff we didn't know back then. Simple hand washing to prevent a lot of illness. Terribly sad. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 10:14 AM Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: I would agree with what others have suggested in that some sort of illness was going around. Remember this is the time before immunizations and drugs which we have today. So when we get something today it is no big deal. I have come across many records where several members of the same family would die within a short period of time. Young children seem to be the most vulnerable to an illness. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 7:51 PM To: genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] July 1900 disaster Santa Maria? I’m doing obits right now and I have two siblings, one 11 months and the other 15 days old that died 9 days apart in July of 1900. (July 20 and 29th) So sad. Out of curiosity, does anyone know of some disaster that occurred around that time on Santa Maria island? Sickness, earthquake, ?? Sam (Mazatlán, MX) Virus-free. www.avast.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A DNA Success Story
Yes. I guess I’m confused so I will stay with my terminology when I talk to the people I work with because I know what I mean and can illustrate what I mean to them so we speaking about the same thing. But I may have been applied the term correctly in one case. There are two line in my tree where cousins marry their cousins over several generations. One line is from Altares/Raminho, Terceira. My maternal grandfather’s brother married his maternal 1st cousin. His other brother married an paternal 2nd cousin. Their parents were first cousins. This is why I have been working with others with connections from these two villages because we several difference ways. It was only once I started working wide in the tree (which may be the same thing as robust) is when the connections where easier to locate. I wonder if this would be a correct use of the term? The line other is from Ribeirinha, Terceira but I have not been working that closely with people on this lines. I do not think it would be what you mentioned, endogamy. There are several connections but not that close (my paternal grandparents were at least twice 4th cousins, many cases of siblings marrying other a set of siblings but that is not cousins marrying and cousins marrying into the same family but again that is not cousins marrying cousins). Several people who are related to me through both lines already see the difference. We work together to locate the connections and often we are building much more detailed trees with better documentation. I think everyone benefits from our shared work. I believe it is cutting down on errors or misinformation being passed along. I think everyone who researches these two villages in the future will benefit from our work. Maybe once the Altares group has completed more work/connections maybe I can attempt to start something with my RIbeirinha lines. But this too may be off the topic too. Thanks for your explanation, Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:27 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A DNA Success Story Endogamy isn't as simple as "cousins marrying." Many people completely misunderstand that explanation. They find that their John Smith marries his first cousin, Jane Jones, and they state "I have endogamy in my tree!" Uh, no they don't. They have a cousin marriage. Those of us who come from truly endogamous populations have to keep explaining this over and over. Endogamy is when a person has MANY ancestors marrying cousins, causing one to be related to various cousins in multiple ways. Any good, fully-featured genealogy program would show this for endogamy: That's just ONE cousin example. I could pick another cousin (not the sibling, not her first cousin), but basically close my eyes and blindly pick another cousin and get something similar. A cousin marriage would have just shown the 4C1R and clicking the Progenitors button to locate the couple in my program would show they are first cousins. So I now state that it's being related to "multiple people in multiple ways." It seems to be a thing in genealogy now where people want to be something else. Many Americans try to claim Cherokee (as if there is no other tribe in America). And now with DNA, people are trying to claim endogamy. When Kalani Mondoy, the Hawaiian Polynesian DNA Admin, and I go to DNA meetings or man DNA education tables, we generally have to go over the difference between a "cousin marriage" and what really is endogamy. We wish people would quit using "cousin marriage" as the definition for endogamy. It's not a cousin marriage. As I mentioned, "robust tree" is how genetic genealogists refer to researching their family genealogy. It's the collateral lines and bringing them FORWARD. When I first got into genealogy in the early 90s, I took a class. We were taught that proper genealogy was to research your ancestral couple (name, date, place and birth, marriage, death), get ALL their kids (same pieces of information), and then get ALL the grandkids (same pieces of information). So basically come forward to the 1st cousin level from an ancestral couple. With DNA connecting us to more of our 2nd, 3rd, and beyond cousins, we are having to bring our trees a little further forward in time, trying to collect the great and even 2 greats of our ancestral couple. Coming forward in time with as many lines as you can is a robust tree. It's not the number lines or the amount of people. It's bringing as many of your lines forward in time as you can. Pedigree collapse is when you find you don't have to research a particular line because you have already researched it because it's being repeated due to cousins marrying. So you don't need to research it back in time. It's already done. Pedigree collapse is researching BACKWARDS. You're kinda morphing pedigree collapse into robust tree and confusing the terms :) Time to
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage
This is why I like to work on a line off the social media until I know the lineage is correct. If you have mistakes then it get repeated by others then years later you get fed back the same information and you are thinking this verifies your research but it was from your original work so it still would not have been verified by anyone else. Since I work alone a lot this always worries me so until I have someone else confirming the work I wait to put it out there. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Kathy Andrade Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 9:22 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage It definitely IS difficult! I’d say by the preponderance of evidence. Sometimes, in research as you know, you don’t get enough direct evidence for a definitive answer, so you have to use the concept of preponderance of evidence. So, collect every record you can for this person, couple, and children….. even grandchildren to see if he is mentioned ….. at least the one you think is your person ….. and compare them. Hopefully it will give you an answer you are comfortable with. Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ ~~~ From: "azores@googlegroups.com" Reply-To: "azores@googlegroups.com" Date: Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 8:41 AM To: "azores@googlegroups.com" Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A question about following the correct lineage Ok, this question is complicated to ask, let alone to figure out the answer but; here goes… With so many people of the same name marrying so many people of the same name and with the priests sometimes writing Francisco Tavares Monteiro and sometime Francisco Monteiro Tavares, some periods of time and some records listing the grandparents and some not; how the heck is one ever sure of following the correct/same line? Is it all just an educated guess? Thanks for your thoughts and expertise. Sam (Mazatlán, MX) Virus-free. www.avast.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815AltaresTerceria
Philippe, I will contact you privately. In case I have made an error I do not want to propagate it through a social media outlet. Can not pull back the info once it is out there even if it is wrong. I’m in the middle of partitioning some farmland and doing taxes so I will get it to you as I can . Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Philippe GARNIER Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:33 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815AltaresTerceria 8th febreuary 1815, 75 years, make will. Philippe Garnier Paris - France http://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 01:49, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy a écrit : Doreen; I would love to see the info. you have on this line. It “may” intersect with my Coelho’s. Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: doreencaet...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 11:15 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 AltaresTerceria Sandra, Are you still interested in getting info on this person? I have several of their children as well as several generations back. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Sandra Valine Dauer Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:03 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 AltaresTerceria http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840_item1/P6.html 3rd record on the right please confirm death date: 8th or 18th, age 70? or Burial? Will? Thank you Virus-free. www.avast.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 AltaresTerceria
Sandra, Are you still interested in getting info on this person? I have several of their children as well as several generations back. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Sandra Valine Dauer Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:03 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Jose Rodrigues Coelho obit 1815 AltaresTerceria http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1814-1840_item1/P6.html 3rd record on the right please confirm death date: 8th or 18th, age 70? or Burial? Will? Thank you Virus-free. www.avast.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestor info- Antonio Brier
My family uses Jesuina for Josephine. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cheri Mello Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 12:01 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestor info- Antonio Brier Corrine M, Brier is not a Portuguese surname. It must be corrupted from something else. Maybe someone has some ideas. Josephine could be Josefa there. So keep that name in mind too. Common Portuguese names for males are Manuel, Antonio, Jose, Francisco, Joao. We all have Antonio's in our trees. Oliver would be Oliveira over there. The final vowel was kinda swallowed and not enunciated, so it sounded closer to o-LEE-ver (ver rhymes with bear. A native speaker can do better, I'm sure). I don't know when you tested on 23 and Me. If it was their v. 3 or v. 4 chip, you can transfer to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). If you tested with 23 and Me since August 2017, you are on their v. 5 chip and it won't transfer. 23andMe tests about 640,000 SNPs (compared to FTDNA's 700,000), however, only 160,000 of those SNPs can be used by FTDNA (the rest that 23 and Me uses are medical, I believe). FTDNA won't imputate either (make the computer take a guess - too many false positives, I'm sure). I understand that GedMatch kinda separates 23andMe's v. 5 kits because they have so few family markers (Ancestry DNA has about 350,000 SNPs). If you tested at AncestryDNA, you can transfer as they have about half the family SNPs that FTDNA tests for. Or you can just test on FTDNA and get 100% of their SNPs. Let me know if this interests you. You need to do more work on your Josephine. You need to figure out her freguesia (like a village) on Faial, her birthdate (or something within a range) and who her parents were. Having Antonio is not enough. I have 6 Josefa's in my genealogy program who have father's named Antonio. I'm sure other long-time researchers can beat my numbers. Start with Josephine's death and work backwards. You have no death dates (or birth or marriage) for her. Or you didn't state them in the post. You need 3 pieces of information: Name, date, and place and you need it for 3 key events: birth, marriage, and death. There's 30+ pages of how to here: https://goo.gl/HQJ59h Good luck and keep us posted on how you are doing. Or if you have previously unposted information to share. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:32 AM Corinne Merritt wrote: We are trying to find info on my Great Grandmother, Josephine Brier. I found a marriage cert to my G Grandfather, John F Barnes and it states that her father was Antonio. I have also seen a naturalization record for him from Fayal, Azores Islands, Portugal. He was born in 1872 and Naturalized in 1900. Anyone can help me find his side of the tree or know where I can obtain info for him? There is very limited from what I can find. I am wondering if he changed his name possibly?. Possible last name may have been Oliver as a new cousin showed up on my 23 and me with Portuguese decent and one of her relatives had his brother listed as Antone on a census. I am thinking this might be him and maybe the census just added "Oliver" since he said it was his brother, or he changed his name or totally different person all together! I am stuck and need help! cori...@yahoo.com or cmerritt...@gmail.com (secondary) Thanks to anyone that can assist. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism of twin girls in Altares
I need help reading this record. I think I have most all of it except the godparents. I’m interesting in understanding what it says about the twins’ godparents. I believe they are relatives of the parents. It is the record on the top left. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1860-1869/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1860-1869_item1/P62.html Thank you, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading this marriage record.
Thank you. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: bsei2...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:19 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Need help reading this marriage record. Hi Doreen, It says "filho do outro d' mesmo nome" (son of another of the same name), so the groom's father was Joao Rodrigues Monteiro, deceased. It also says both newlyweds are parishioners and were baptized in the same parish stated above (so Fontinhas). I expect it is the same Maria Eugenia you refer to above as she would have been 20 years old at the time. Bill Seidler On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 10:50:29 AM UTC-8, doreencaetano wrote: Let side of the page http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860_item1/P62.html I’m reading as Joao Rodrigues Monteiro, son of and Dona Marianna Victornia, marrying Dona Maria Eugenia, daughter of Dionisio Jose Leal and Francisca Victornia, natural to ? Now already in my database it Dionisio Jose Leal married to Francisca Victornia Caetano Andrade having a daughter named Maria Eugenia (like above) born 1832. Can you help me with the ??? Thanks. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Need help reading this marriage record.
Let side of the page http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860_item1/P62.html I’m reading as Joao Rodrigues Monteiro, son of and Dona Marianna Victornia, marrying Dona Maria Eugenia, daughter of Dionisio Jose Leal and Francisca Victornia, natural to ? Now already in my database it Dionisio Jose Leal married to Francisca Victornia Caetano Andrade having a daughter named Maria Eugenia (like above) born 1832. Can you help me with the ??? Thanks. Doreen Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Groom's father's name
Please help me determine the groom’s father’s name. I think it is Joao de Castro. The record is on the left side of the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-C-1815-1833/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-C-1815-1833_item1/P77.html Thank you, Doreen Caetano Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading record
Wow I need help with the marriage record of Manuel Machado and Isabel Goncalves. Way too hard for me. It is on the bottom right hand side on the page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-C-1695-1728/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-C-1695-1728_item1/P45.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
