Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Joanne Mercier]

Great - Thanks for giving me more info and places to look, Cheri and JR!


On May 17, 2017 at 3:33:11 PM, Cheri Mello (gfsche...@gmail.com) wrote:

Joanne, Looks like Nossa Senhora da Apresentação in Capelas (on the north
side of the island) also in Ponta Delgada is considered a Matriz too.
>From Wikipedia:
A Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Apresentação

foi instituída como paróquia 
em 12 de Fevereiro  de 1592
, por carta régia de Filipe
 II (I de Portugal), a
pedido do então bispo de Angra
, D. Manuel de Gouveia
. A igreja matriz (século
XVI ) ostentava o título de
'Matriz-Prioral'.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> João Ventura, archivist, told us that many of the expostos were baptized
> at the various Matriz'. Bretanha belongs to Ponta Delgada and the Matriz in
> Ponta Delgada is São Sebastião. That's on the other side of the island. I
> do see Ribeira Grande mentioned in your document. That's on the north coast
> of São Miguel island. I'd check the Matriz of R.Grande. The name of that
> church is Nossa Senhora da Estrela.
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Joanne Mercier 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she
>> died at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was
>> wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born
>> in a neighboring village.
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your
>>> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it
>>> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and
>>> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were
>>> given to people from their native villages.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:

 Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right?
 I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she
 have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?

 Thanks for your help, JR!

 On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta
> spouse of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote
> this record in duplicate which I signed."
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_i
>> tem1/P29.html - right hand side #8
>>
>> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
>> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
>> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de
>> Camara’s name?
>>
>> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>>
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Cheri Mello]

Joanne, Looks like Nossa Senhora da Apresentação in Capelas (on the north
side of the island) also in Ponta Delgada is considered a Matriz too.
>From Wikipedia:
A Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Apresentação

foi instituída como paróquia 
em 12 de Fevereiro  de 1592
, por carta régia de Filipe
 II (I de Portugal), a
pedido do então bispo de Angra
, D. Manuel de Gouveia
. A igreja matriz (século
XVI ) ostentava o título de
'Matriz-Prioral'.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> João Ventura, archivist, told us that many of the expostos were baptized
> at the various Matriz'. Bretanha belongs to Ponta Delgada and the Matriz in
> Ponta Delgada is São Sebastião. That's on the other side of the island. I
> do see Ribeira Grande mentioned in your document. That's on the north coast
> of São Miguel island. I'd check the Matriz of R.Grande. The name of that
> church is Nossa Senhora da Estrela.
> Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Joanne Mercier 
> wrote:
>
>> I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she
>> died at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was
>> wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born
>> in a neighboring village.
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your
>>> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it
>>> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and
>>> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were
>>> given to people from their native villages.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:

 Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right?
 I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she
 have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?

 Thanks for your help, JR!

 On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta
> spouse of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote
> this record in duplicate which I signed."
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_i
>> tem1/P29.html - right hand side #8
>>
>> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
>> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
>> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de
>> Camara’s name?
>>
>> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>>
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Cheri Mello]

João Ventura, archivist, told us that many of the expostos were baptized at
the various Matriz'. Bretanha belongs to Ponta Delgada and the Matriz in
Ponta Delgada is São Sebastião. That's on the other side of the island. I
do see Ribeira Grande mentioned in your document. That's on the north coast
of São Miguel island. I'd check the Matriz of R.Grande. The name of that
church is Nossa Senhora da Estrela.
Good luck, Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Joanne Mercier 
wrote:

> I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she died
> at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was
> wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born
> in a neighboring village.
>
>
> On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your
>> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it
>> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and
>> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were
>> given to people from their native villages.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right?
>>> I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she
>>> have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help, JR!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>
 Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta
 spouse of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote
 this record in duplicate which I signed."

 JR

 On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
> AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_
> item1/P29.html - right hand side #8
>
> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s
> name?
>
> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[JR]

I see. If you have gone through the records, she may have been born in 
another village. However, be on guard for any child given to the said 
parents in the specified 2 year period, in case there was a name change. 
After that I would look in Ponta Delgada. But you may be disappointed. 
There may be more than one Claudina given to parents from Bretanha in the 
same time period. Parents are not always specified. If they specify the 
correct parents, you are lucky.

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 11:57:14 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she died 
> at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was 
> wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born 
> in a neighboring village. 
>
> On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com ) wrote:
>
>> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your 
>> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it 
>> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and 
>> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were 
>> given to people from their native villages.  
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote: 
>>>
>>> Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right? 
>>> I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she 
>>> have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?  
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help, JR!
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>
 Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta 
 spouse of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote 
 this record in duplicate which I signed."  

 JR

 On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote: 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_item1/P29.html
>  - 
> right hand side #8
>
> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions - 
> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s 
> name?
>
> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Joanne Mercier]

I am looking for Claudina’s baptismal record now that I know that she died
at the age of 2. I've gone through the Bretanha records twice and was
wondering, now that I know she is a foundling, if she could have been born
in a neighboring village.

On May 17, 2017 at 10:22:53 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:

> I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your
> ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it
> should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and
> Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were
> given to people from their native villages.
>
> JR
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>
>> Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right?
>> I've gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she
>> have been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?
>>
>> Thanks for your help, JR!
>>
>> On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com ) wrote:
>>
>>> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta spouse
>>> of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote this
>>> record in duplicate which I signed."
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-
 1869_item1/P29.html - right hand side #8

 I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s
 name?

 I always appreciate the help - thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[JR]

I have no idea what you are looking for or the time period. If your 
ancestor was an exposto, then when she had children or got married it 
should say where she was from. Many expostos came from Ponta Delgada and 
Ribeira Grande and were given to people in nearby villages. Others were 
given to people from their native villages. 

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:48:49 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right? I've 
> gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she have 
> been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha? 
>
> Thanks for your help, JR!
>
> On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmr...@gmail.com ) wrote:
>
>> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta spouse 
>> of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote this 
>> record in duplicate which I signed."  
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_item1/P29.html
>>>  - 
>>> right hand side #8
>>>
>>> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions - 
>>> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
>>> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s 
>>> name?
>>>
>>> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>>>
>>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[Joanne Mercier]

Ok, then I should be looking for her birth among the expostos, right? I've
gone back as far as 1859 in Bretanha and haven't seen her. Could she have
been born nearby and given to Antonia Augusta in Bretanha?

Thanks for your help, JR!

On May 17, 2017 at 3:23:45 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta spouse
> of Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote this
> record in duplicate which I signed."
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>> PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-
>> 1869_item1/P29.html - right hand side #8
>>
>> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions -
>> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
>> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s
>> name?
>>
>> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>>
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Bretanha Óbitos - 1862

[JR]

Claudina died a t two years old and was raised by Antonia Augusta spouse of 
Francisco da Camara. Something like, "...In proof hereof I wrote this 
record in duplicate which I signed." 

JR

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:41:34 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-O-1860-1869_item1/P29.html
>  - 
> right hand side #8
>
> I understand most of it but I have 2 questions - 
> 1) is that the word “exposta” after Claudina’s name?
> 2) Can someone translate the last sentence after Francisco de Camara’s 
> name?
>
> I always appreciate the help - thanks!
>
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
>

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