Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks, Cheri, for the input.  Will let you know how this turns out.
Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Thu, 1/12/17, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
 Date: Thursday, January 12, 2017, 3:08 PM
 
 Personally, I wouldn't give them all the
 background on your search. It has nothing to do with them
 searching their records. I'd make it a very short and
 simple request. I edited yours and added some stuff in caps.
 Just my take. Do what you like.
 
  I have been trying to find information about
 Maria De Christ Moraes BORN ABOUT __ IN SANTA BARBARA,
 SAO MIGUEL ISLAND.
 
       She married Filippe Perreira Da Silva on 
 November 27th, 1909 in St. Mary’s Church, Bristol, Rhode
 Island. 
 
         I have recently been told that at the time of
 marriage birth, 
 baptismal and previous marriage documents were collected and
 placed in 
 closed files along with premarriage questionnaires in case
 an annulment 
 is sought later on.  I have been told that Maria would have
 had to 
 provide a baptismal certificate from the “old Country”
 before the 
 marriage.
 
         Is it possible to search those records to find
 the place and 
 date of Maria’s baptism AND HER PARENTS' NAMES?  In
 addition, I have seen some church books 
 where information of this type is written in the marriage
 BOOK.  
 
 I wouldn't mention you have some type
 of certificate already. It might get your request set aside
 because it appears you already have the information from
 them. Just my 2 cents.  Cheri
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner,
 Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island:
 Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada
 
 On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at
 10:20 AM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
 wrote:
 Hi
 Joanne,
 
    This is the note I think I will send to St. Mary's
 Church.  I appreciate any suggestions you or others have
 that may help me obtain the information I seek.  At least
 encouraging someone to look for the information will help me
 know if any such information exists.
 
 Thanks, Celeste
 
 
 
 St. Mary’s Church
 
 Bristol, Rhode Island
 
 
 
 To someone who can help me:
 
         I have been trying to find information about my
 husband, Robert E. Perry’s, family for the last 20
 years.  I have been unable to find a baptismal record for
 his paternal grandmother, Maria De Christ Moraes.
 
         I have found baptismal records for her siblings
 in Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores; however,
 there is no record of her baptism.
 
         Passport information for 1908-1909 no longer
 exist.  I have not been able to find her date of entry in
 the United States.
 
         What I do know is that she married Filippe
 Perreira Da Silva on November 27th, 1909 in St. Mary’s
 Church, Bristol, Rhode Island.  I have a copy of that
 marriage record.
 
         I have recently been told that at the time of
 marriage birth, baptismal and previous marriage documents
 were collected and placed in closed files along with
 premarriage questionnaires in case an annulment is sought
 later on.  I have been told that Maria would have had to
 provide a baptismal certificate from the “old Country”
 before the marriage.
 
         Is it possible to search those records to find
 the place and date of Maria’s baptism?  In addition, I
 have seen some church books where information of this type
 is written in the margin of the marriage record.  Although
 I have a “Certificate of Marriage” from St. Mary’s, I
 do not have any note of anything written in the margin. 
 Were any notes written in the margin of the marriage
 record?
 
 
 
 Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
 
 
 
 -- --
 
 On Wed, 1/11/17, 'celeste
 perry' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria
 Cristo
 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
  Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 7:06 PM
 
 
 
 
 
  Thank you, Joanne for your information and interest. 
 
  My asking for "margin notes" is from seeing them
 in the
 
  marriage records in the churches in the Azores.  I
 will
 
  follow your suggestions and hopefully my last connection
 for
 
  this family will be a positive result.
 
  Again, thanks, Celeste
 
  Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
 
 
 
  -- --
 
  On Wed, 1/11/17, Joanne Mercier <musicmavene...@gmail.com>
 
  wrote:
 
 
 
   Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria
 
  Cristo
 
   To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
   Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 5:33 PM
 
 
 
   Celeste,I work for the Catholic
 
   Church and the information you are seeking would
 probably
 
   not be found as a margin note (though stranger th

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Cheri Mello]

Personally, I wouldn't give them all the background on your search. It has
nothing to do with them searching their records. I'd make it a very short
and simple request. I edited yours and added some stuff in caps. Just my
take. Do what you like.

I have been trying to find information about Maria De Christ Moraes BORN
ABOUT __ IN SANTA BARBARA, SAO MIGUEL ISLAND.
  She married Filippe Perreira Da Silva on November 27th, 1909 in St.
Mary’s Church, Bristol, Rhode Island.
I have recently been told that at the time of marriage birth,
baptismal and previous marriage documents were collected and placed in
closed files along with premarriage questionnaires in case an annulment is
sought later on.  I have been told that Maria would have had to provide a
baptismal certificate from the “old Country” before the marriage.
Is it possible to search those records to find the place and date
of Maria’s baptism AND HER PARENTS' NAMES?  In addition, I have seen some
church books where information of this type is written in the marriage
BOOK.

I wouldn't mention you have some type of certificate already. It might get
your request set aside because it appears you already have the information
from them. Just my 2 cents.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:20 AM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Joanne,
>This is the note I think I will send to St. Mary's Church.  I
> appreciate any suggestions you or others have that may help me obtain the
> information I seek.  At least encouraging someone to look for the
> information will help me know if any such information exists.
> Thanks, Celeste
>
> St. Mary’s Church
> Bristol, Rhode Island
>
> To someone who can help me:
> I have been trying to find information about my husband, Robert E.
> Perry’s, family for the last 20 years.  I have been unable to find a
> baptismal record for his paternal grandmother, Maria De Christ Moraes.
> I have found baptismal records for her siblings in Lomba da Santa
> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores; however, there is no record of her baptism.
> Passport information for 1908-1909 no longer exist.  I have not
> been able to find her date of entry in the United States.
> What I do know is that she married Filippe Perreira Da Silva on
> November 27th, 1909 in St. Mary’s Church, Bristol, Rhode Island.  I have a
> copy of that marriage record.
> I have recently been told that at the time of marriage birth,
> baptismal and previous marriage documents were collected and placed in
> closed files along with premarriage questionnaires in case an annulment is
> sought later on.  I have been told that Maria would have had to provide a
> baptismal certificate from the “old Country” before the marriage.
> Is it possible to search those records to find the place and date
> of Maria’s baptism?  In addition, I have seen some church books where
> information of this type is written in the margin of the marriage record.
> Although I have a “Certificate of Marriage” from St. Mary’s, I do not have
> any note of anything written in the margin.  Were any notes written in the
> margin of the marriage record?
>
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
> ----
> On Wed, 1/11/17, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 7:06 PM
>
>
>  Thank you, Joanne for your information and interest.
>  My asking for "margin notes" is from seeing them in the
>  marriage records in the churches in the Azores.  I will
>  follow your suggestions and hopefully my last connection for
>  this family will be a positive result.
>  Again, thanks, Celeste
>  Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
>  
>  On Wed, 1/11/17, Joanne Mercier <musicmavene...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>   Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria
>  Cristo
>   To: azores@googlegroups.com
>   Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 5:33 PM
>
>   Celeste,I work for the Catholic
>   Church and the information you are seeking would probably
>   not be found as a margin note (though stranger things have
>   happened) in the marriage register but will show up in the
>   pre-nuptual paperwork that every couple has to provide
>   before the marriage can take place. Birth, baptismal, and
>   previous marriage documents (if any) are collected and
>   placed in closed files along with pre-marr

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Margaret, I don't mind anyone who is helping me find Maria Cristo's date of 
birth saying anything that will help me.  I have been trying to go through my 
very old notes and I have found a lot of things that don't make sense.  

What I remember and have found notes about is that she came to live with her 
brother, Serafine.  I was told by MC's daughter that her uncle Serapine was 
already living in RI and that her mother came to be with him.  In different 
census I found that her mother, Jacintha Libiana (many different spellings of 
her name) also lived with him.  
 
I am hoping that there will be some information on the original documents at 
St. Mary's Church that will clarify when she was baptized.  Of course, the 
information will probably be what ever she said at the time and I am not sure 
that will be the truth.  Again any help (whether it is different than what I 
have or not) is greatly appreciated.

I think that the information you sent awhile back about there being cousins 
with the same name is probably true.  When I visited the archives and searched 
through every birth record for MC's family, I think I found all her siblings.  
The first Maria I found I was unable to find any additional information for 
her.  The second Maria I found a death record for her.  So, if the first Maria 
was my MC, she would have been almost 50 when her last son was born.  Also, her 
daughter told me that she was 5 years old when her father died and that would 
have made her born after her brother Jose who was born in 1883, I believe.  So, 
again, I thank you and everyone who has helped me try to make some sense of 
this difficult task.
Celeste

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Thu, 1/12/17, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
 To: "azores" <azores@googlegroups.com>
 Date: Thursday, January 12, 2017, 12:51 PM
 
 Hi Celeste,
 Taking another look at your email, and I hope you
 will not mind me saying this but your reference date above
 regarding the 1910 Census, showing Maria C. Cristo year of
 arrival in the year - 1909 - when in fact it lists, year
 1905. 
 Both her and Serafim de Morais declared having
 arrived in 1905. 
 
 
 
 On Tue, Jan 10, 2017
 at 3:30 AM, Aaron Pereira <pereirah...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 Celeste,
 
 Can you give us the link to the marriage of   Joao Moraes
 and Jacinta Libianna; or, at least the marriage date and
 place.  Thank you
 
 On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 12:14:20 PM UTC-8, celeste
 perry wrote:Once
 again, I am posting and asking for any information that will
 help in my search to find my husband's paternal
 grandmother, Maria Cristo    In the US she used many
 names:  Maria or Mary, Pereira da Silva; Pereira; or Silva.
   
 
 
 
 1.         Her name:   
 
 In 2006, I received an email from a great-grandson of MC’s
 brother Jose.  He wrote “on Ancestry.com he found Maria
 Cristo immigrated July 31, 1909.”I found an arrival of
 “Maria Moraes arriving July 31, 1909, age 25, est. birth
 yr. 1884, F, Portuguese, port of departure: St. michaels,
 Az, Portugal; ship name, Cretic; arriving at Boston, MA;
 last residence, Azores, birthplace, St. Barbara, Azores.”
  I received this information from someone and I never saw
 the name of the person she was going to.  I think she would
 have come to her brother, Seraphine who immigrated
 10/24/1904 and I have found his name as:  Serafim
 Morais/Morris/Moraes in different census. 
 
 On her marriage record:  11/27/09 she is: Maria de Christ
 Moraes 
 
 2.         DOB, where??? :  May 22, 1884/1885 Lomba da
 Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores, (oral history told to me
 by her daughter) 
 
 She married in 1909 and said she was 22 years old (I have
 the marriage record from St. Mary’s church in Bristol,
 RI.)  Rencently, I noticed that the information I have is
 on a form filled out by the priest at St. Mary's church
 in Bristol, RI.)  I would like to have someone look at the
 actual book to see if the priest MAY have written her place
 of birth.
 
 3.        Father:  Joao Moraes, he died 4/13/1899, I
 found his death record in 2006. 
 
 4.        Mother: Jacinta Libianna 
 
 5.        When did she come to US:  I think she came to
 the US to her brother, Seraphine Moraes.  This is what her
 daughter told me.  It had to have been before Nov. 1909
 when she married. 
 
 6.        In the 1910 census Fellippe E. & Mary C.
 Silva, are living with Seraphim & Rosa Morais at 15 East
 Brooks. St.   in Bristol, RI she lived on Estbrook St.
  with her husband, Fillippe Silva.  She was listed as
 Maria C. Silva who immigrated in 1909. 
 
 1927-1928, 1929-1930/ 1935-1936; 1937 census, Phillip &
 Mry Perry, carpenter, live at 66 Blossom St. 
 
 1938; 1939, 43, 66 Blossom St. per City directory 
 
 1947 moved to Oakland, CA 
 
 7.        In 2005, at the Oakland FHCC, I found a Maria
 Moraes arri

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Celeste,

Taking another look at your email, and I hope you will not mind me saying
this but your reference date above regarding the 1910 Census, showing Maria
C. Cristo year of arrival in the year - 1909 - when in fact it lists, year*
1905*.

Both her and Serafim de Morais declared having arrived in 1905.




On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Aaron Pereira 
wrote:

>
>
> Celeste,
>
> Can you give us the link to the marriage of  Joao Moraes and Jacinta
> Libianna; or, at least the marriage date and place.  Thank you
>
> On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 12:14:20 PM UTC-8, celeste perry wrote:
>>
>> Once again, I am posting and asking for any information that will help in
>> my search to find my husband's paternal grandmother, Maria CristoIn the
>> US she used many names:  Maria or Mary, Pereira da Silva; Pereira; or
>> Silva.
>>
>> 1. Her name:
>> In 2006, I received an email from a great-grandson of MC’s brother Jose.
>> He wrote “on Ancestry.com he found Maria Cristo immigrated July 31, 1909.”I
>> found an arrival of “Maria Moraes arriving July 31, 1909, age 25, est.
>> birth yr. 1884, F, Portuguese, port of departure: St. michaels, Az,
>> Portugal; ship name, Cretic; arriving at Boston, MA; last residence,
>> Azores, birthplace, St. Barbara, Azores.”  I received this information from
>> someone and I never saw the name of the person she was going to.  I think
>> she would have come to her brother, Seraphine who immigrated 10/24/1904 and
>> I have found his name as:  Serafim Morais/Morris/Moraes in different
>> census.
>> On her marriage record:  11/27/09 she is: Maria de Christ Moraes
>> 2. DOB, where??? :  May 22, 1884/1885 Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao
>> Miguel, Azores, (oral history told to me by her daughter)
>> She married in 1909 and said she was 22 years old (I have the marriage
>> record from St. Mary’s church in Bristol, RI.)  Rencently, I noticed that
>> the information I have is on a form filled out by the priest at St. Mary's
>> church in Bristol, RI.)  I would like to have someone look at the actual
>> book to see if the priest MAY have written her place of birth.
>> 3.Father:  Joao Moraes, he died 4/13/1899, I found his death
>> record in 2006.
>> 4.Mother: Jacinta Libianna
>> 5.When did she come to US:  I think she came to the US to her
>> brother, Seraphine Moraes.  This is what her daughter told me.  It had to
>> have been before Nov. 1909 when she married.
>> 6.In the 1910 census Fellippe E. & Mary C. Silva, are living with
>> Seraphim & Rosa Morais at 15 East Brooks. St.   in Bristol, RI she lived on
>> Estbrook St.  with her husband, Fillippe Silva.  She was listed as Maria C.
>> Silva who immigrated in 1909.
>> 1927-1928, 1929-1930/ 1935-1936; 1937 census, Phillip & Mry Perry,
>> carpenter, live at 66 Blossom St.
>> 1938; 1939, 43, 66 Blossom St. per City directory
>> 1947 moved to Oakland, CA
>> 7.In 2005, at the Oakland FHCC, I found a Maria Moraes arriving
>> 7/31/1909, age 25, est. yob 1884, F, Portuguese; departed: S.Miguel; ship’s
>> name is Crotic; arrived in Boston, MA
>> 8.She was 24 years old when her daughter Mary was born in 1911.
>>
>> Any help in locating a document that connects her to the biological
>> family she and her "sister, Anna" "thought"  was her family.  When Anna
>> died in her will she left , "to my sister, Mary Perry in Oakland,
>> California, $100.00."
>>
>> I viewed the records for Lomba da Santa Barbara in Sao Miguel page by
>> page and found all her siblings.  Although there was no "Maria" born to
>> this family that fit the bill for my Maria Cristo.  There were 2 Maria's;
>> the first would have been too old when my Maria Cristo's youngest son was
>> born to have been her.  The second Maria, died young.  Everyone with whom I
>> have spoken that knew this family all connect her to the family.  There is
>> just no baptismal record that I have found to do so.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can think of that will give me a solid
>> connection.
>> Celeste
>> Thanks, Celeste
>>
>> Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
>>
>> Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Joanne Mercier]

Good note, Celeste - it tells them exactly what you are looking for.
Whether or not they decide to share the info will come down to feeling as
if they are compromising the confidentiality of the family or not wanting
to start a precedent that will get them more inquiries that tax their time.
I’d also include a phone number you can be reached at because some parish
workers are either not technologically savvy or they will want to check out
a live person before they make a decision to share.

It never hurts to ask but since it seems you’ve been down many roads before
this one it might finally be the right time and place.  Good luck and let
me know what happens.

Joanne


On January 12, 2017 at 1:20:20 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy (
azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:

Hi Joanne,
This is the note I think I will send to St. Mary's Church. I appreciate any
suggestions you or others have that may help me obtain the information I
seek. At least encouraging someone to look for the information will help me
know if any such information exists.
Thanks, Celeste

St. Mary’s Church
Bristol, Rhode Island

To someone who can help me:
I have been trying to find information about my husband, Robert E. Perry’s,
family for the last 20 years. I have been unable to find a baptismal record
for his paternal grandmother, Maria De Christ Moraes.
I have found baptismal records for her siblings in Lomba da Santa Barbara,
Sao Miguel, Azores; however, there is no record of her baptism.
Passport information for 1908-1909 no longer exist. I have not been able to
find her date of entry in the United States.
What I do know is that she married Filippe Perreira Da Silva on November
27th, 1909 in St. Mary’s Church, Bristol, Rhode Island. I have a copy of
that marriage record.
I have recently been told that at the time of marriage birth, baptismal and
previous marriage documents were collected and placed in closed files along
with premarriage questionnaires in case an annulment is sought later on. I
have been told that Maria would have had to provide a baptismal certificate
from the “old Country” before the marriage.
Is it possible to search those records to find the place and date of
Maria’s baptism? In addition, I have seen some church books where
information of this type is written in the margin of the marriage record.
Although I have a “Certificate of Marriage” from St. Mary’s, I do not have
any note of anything written in the margin. Were any notes written in the
margin of the marriage record?

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Wed, 1/11/17, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 7:06 PM


Thank you, Joanne for your information and interest.
My asking for "margin notes" is from seeing them in the
marriage records in the churches in the Azores.  I will
follow your suggestions and hopefully my last connection for
this family will be a positive result.
Again, thanks, Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Wed, 1/11/17, Joanne Mercier <musicmavene...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria
Cristo
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 5:33 PM

Celeste,I work for the Catholic
Church and the information you are seeking would probably
not be found as a margin note (though stranger things have
happened) in the marriage register but will show up in the
pre-nuptual paperwork that every couple has to provide
before the marriage can take place. Birth, baptismal, and
previous marriage documents (if any) are collected and
placed in closed files along with pre-marriage
questionnaires in case an annulment is sought later on.
Your
Maria Cristo would have had to provide a baptismal
certificate from the “old country” or be baptized
“conditionally” before the marriage (something we
don’t do anymore) so there would be a record. Getting
into
those sealed records is not impossible but would require a
very sympathetic cleric or parish secretary who’s into
genealogy themselves.
The Pastor of St. Mary’s
in Bristol is known to be a decent guy and their website
is
here —> http://www.stmarybristolri.org/index.html  I’d
try and contact them - one never knows until one
asks!
Good luck.Joanne Grota Mercier


On January
11, 2017 at 6:46:10 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores
Genealogy (azores@googlegroups.com)
wrote:

Yes, Cheri, the Maria I thought was my
elusive MC, was from Santa Maria.  Not her.



The church where MC was married is St.
Mary's in Bristol, RI.  I have a "form" that
is filled out by Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor.  It
says,

"This is to Certify that Filippe
Perreira Da Silva and Maria De Christ Moraes were lawfully
married on the 27th day of November,
1909.

"According to the Rite of the roman
cat

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Joanne,
   This is the note I think I will send to St. Mary's Church.  I appreciate any 
suggestions you or others have that may help me obtain the information I seek.  
At least encouraging someone to look for the information will help me know if 
any such information exists.
Thanks, Celeste

St. Mary’s Church
Bristol, Rhode Island

To someone who can help me:
I have been trying to find information about my husband, Robert E. 
Perry’s, family for the last 20 years.  I have been unable to find a baptismal 
record for his paternal grandmother, Maria De Christ Moraes.  
I have found baptismal records for her siblings in Lomba da Santa 
Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores; however, there is no record of her baptism.
Passport information for 1908-1909 no longer exist.  I have not been 
able to find her date of entry in the United States.
What I do know is that she married Filippe Perreira Da Silva on 
November 27th, 1909 in St. Mary’s Church, Bristol, Rhode Island.  I have a copy 
of that marriage record.  
I have recently been told that at the time of marriage birth, baptismal 
and previous marriage documents were collected and placed in closed files along 
with premarriage questionnaires in case an annulment is sought later on.  I 
have been told that Maria would have had to provide a baptismal certificate 
from the “old Country” before the marriage.  
Is it possible to search those records to find the place and date of 
Maria’s baptism?  In addition, I have seen some church books where information 
of this type is written in the margin of the marriage record.  Although I have 
a “Certificate of Marriage” from St. Mary’s, I do not have any note of anything 
written in the margin.  Were any notes written in the margin of the marriage 
record?

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Wed, 1/11/17, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> 
wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 7:06 PM
 
 
 Thank you, Joanne for your information and interest. 
 My asking for "margin notes" is from seeing them in the
 marriage records in the churches in the Azores.  I will
 follow your suggestions and hopefully my last connection for
 this family will be a positive result.
 Again, thanks, Celeste
 Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
 
 
 On Wed, 1/11/17, Joanne Mercier <musicmavene...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria
 Cristo
  To: azores@googlegroups.com
  Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 5:33 PM
  
  Celeste,I work for the Catholic
  Church and the information you are seeking would probably
  not be found as a margin note (though stranger things have
  happened) in the marriage register but will show up in the
  pre-nuptual paperwork that every couple has to provide
  before the marriage can take place. Birth, baptismal, and
  previous marriage documents (if any) are collected and
  placed in closed files along with pre-marriage
  questionnaires in case an annulment is sought later on.
 Your
  Maria Cristo would have had to provide a baptismal
  certificate from the “old country” or be baptized
  “conditionally” before the marriage (something we
  don’t do anymore) so there would be a record. Getting
 into
  those sealed records is not impossible but would require a
  very sympathetic cleric or parish secretary who’s into
  genealogy themselves. 
  The Pastor of St. Mary’s
  in Bristol is known to be a decent guy and their website
 is
  here —> http://www.stmarybristolri.org/index.html  I’d
  try and contact them - one never knows until one
  asks!
  Good luck.Joanne Grota Mercier
  
    
  On January
  11, 2017 at 6:46:10 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores
  Genealogy (azores@googlegroups.com)
  wrote: 
  
  Yes, Cheri, the Maria I thought was my
  elusive MC, was from Santa Maria.  Not her.
  
  
  
  The church where MC was married is St.
  Mary's in Bristol, RI.  I have a "form" that
  is filled out by Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor.  It
 says,  
  
  "This is to Certify that Filippe
  Perreira Da Silva and Maria De Christ Moraes were lawfully
  married on the 27th day of November,
 1909.   
  
  "According to the Rite of the roman
  catholic church and in conformity with the law3s of the
  state of Rhode Island Rev. Thomas J. Gillam officiating in
  the presence of Antonio Perreira and Maria Perreira
  Witnesses as appears from the Marriage Register of this
  church.   
  
  "Dated March 3, 1953, Clyde J. Walsh,
  Asst. Pastor"
  
  
  
  My hope is that someone would be able to
  visit the church, ask to see the Marriage Register and
 photo
  copy any margin note that would have been made to confirm
  that Maria De Christ Moraes was baptized and where that
 took
  place.
  
  
  
 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you, Joanne for your information and interest.  My asking for "margin 
notes" is from seeing them in the marriage records in the churches in the 
Azores.  I will follow your suggestions and hopefully my last connection for 
this family will be a positive result.
Again, thanks, Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Wed, 1/11/17, Joanne Mercier <musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 5:33 PM
 
 Celeste,I work for the Catholic
 Church and the information you are seeking would probably
 not be found as a margin note (though stranger things have
 happened) in the marriage register but will show up in the
 pre-nuptual paperwork that every couple has to provide
 before the marriage can take place. Birth, baptismal, and
 previous marriage documents (if any) are collected and
 placed in closed files along with pre-marriage
 questionnaires in case an annulment is sought later on. Your
 Maria Cristo would have had to provide a baptismal
 certificate from the “old country” or be baptized
 “conditionally” before the marriage (something we
 don’t do anymore) so there would be a record. Getting into
 those sealed records is not impossible but would require a
 very sympathetic cleric or parish secretary who’s into
 genealogy themselves. 
 The Pastor of St. Mary’s
 in Bristol is known to be a decent guy and their website is
 here —> http://www.stmarybristolri.org/index.html  I’d
 try and contact them - one never knows until one
 asks!
 Good luck.Joanne Grota Mercier
 
   
 On January
 11, 2017 at 6:46:10 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores
 Genealogy (azores@googlegroups.com)
 wrote: 
 
 Yes, Cheri, the Maria I thought was my
 elusive MC, was from Santa Maria.  Not her.
 
 
 
 The church where MC was married is St.
 Mary's in Bristol, RI.  I have a "form" that
 is filled out by Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor.  It says,  
 
 "This is to Certify that Filippe
 Perreira Da Silva and Maria De Christ Moraes were lawfully
 married on the 27th day of November, 1909.   
 
 "According to the Rite of the roman
 catholic church and in conformity with the law3s of the
 state of Rhode Island Rev. Thomas J. Gillam officiating in
 the presence of Antonio Perreira and Maria Perreira
 Witnesses as appears from the Marriage Register of this
 church.   
 
 "Dated March 3, 1953, Clyde J. Walsh,
 Asst. Pastor"
 
 
 
 My hope is that someone would be able to
 visit the church, ask to see the Marriage Register and photo
 copy any margin note that would have been made to confirm
 that Maria De Christ Moraes was baptized and where that took
 place.
 
 
 
 This family did have two Maria born to
 these parents.  The first one I was unable to find as having
 died or having moved or married anywhere near the village of
 Lomba da Santa Barbara in Sao Miguel.  She was born in 1868.
  MC's last son was born after1921 which would have made
 MC at over 40 years of age.  The second Maria died shortly
 after her birth.  I have not been able to find any more
 children named Maria born to MC.
 
 
 
 Again, the oral history MC's daughter
 told me MC was born May 22, 1885 and was that she was 5
 years old when her father died.  Her father died in 1899 so
 she had to have been born (if she was a biological child of
 this marriage) before 1899 and some time between the birth
 of her brother Jose (1883) and the death of her father.   
 
 
 
 I have confirmation of her father's
 death and of Jose's birth dates.
 
 
 
 Again, I have spent days looking at the
 record books in the archive in Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel
 looking for MC's birth or something that would give me a
 clue as to whether or not she was biologically born to this
 family.  I have no doubt she was raised in this family and
 she "thought" she was biologically from this
 family.  Proving this has become an over 25 year journey for
 me.
 
 
 
 Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
 
 
 
 
 
 On Tue, 1/10/17, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My
 elusive Maria Cristo
 
  To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
 
  Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2017, 9:44 PM
 
   
 
  Celeste,
 
   
 
  I went over your initial
 
  email several times.  
 
   
 
  Maria born 1880s in Santa Barbara (in
 
  R.Grande council) on Sao Miguel island.
 
   
 
  Maria immigrates on 31 July 1909 to
 
  Boston but marries only 4 months later on
 27 Nov 1909 in
 
  Providence. This doesn't sit well with
 me. She should
 
  have immigrated to Providence or New York
 and then caught a
 
  smaller boat down to Providence. Also, why
 the rush to get
 
  married? Only 4 months? Did she know her
 husband over there
 
  and was pregnant when she came over? Or
 perhaps that's
 
  the wron

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Joanne Mercier]

Celeste,
I work for the Catholic Church and the information you are seeking would
probably not be found as a margin note (though stranger things have
happened) in the marriage register but will show up in the pre-nuptual
paperwork that every couple has to provide before the marriage can take
place. Birth, baptismal, and previous marriage documents (if any) are
collected and placed in closed files along with pre-marriage questionnaires
in case an annulment is sought later on. Your Maria Cristo would have had
to provide a baptismal certificate from the “old country” or be baptized
“conditionally” before the marriage (something we don’t do anymore) so
there would be a record. Getting into those sealed records is not
impossible but would require a very sympathetic cleric or parish secretary
who’s into genealogy themselves.

The Pastor of St. Mary’s in Bristol is known to be a decent guy and their
website is here —> http://www.stmarybristolri.org/index.html  I’d try and
contact them - one never knows until one asks!

Good luck.
Joanne Grota Mercier


On January 11, 2017 at 6:46:10 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy (
azores@googlegroups.com) wrote:


Yes, Cheri, the Maria I thought was my elusive MC, was from Santa Maria.
Not her.

The church where MC was married is St. Mary's in Bristol, RI. I have a
"form" that is filled out by Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor. It says,
"This is to Certify that Filippe Perreira Da Silva and Maria De Christ
Moraes were lawfully married on the 27th day of November, 1909.
"According to the Rite of the roman catholic church and in conformity with
the law3s of the state of Rhode Island Rev. Thomas J. Gillam officiating in
the presence of Antonio Perreira and Maria Perreira Witnesses as appears
from the Marriage Register of this church.
"Dated March 3, 1953, Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor"

My hope is that someone would be able to visit the church, ask to see the
Marriage Register and photo copy any margin note that would have been made
to confirm that Maria De Christ Moraes was baptized and where that took
place.

This family did have two Maria born to these parents. The first one I was
unable to find as having died or having moved or married anywhere near the
village of Lomba da Santa Barbara in Sao Miguel. She was born in 1868. MC's
last son was born after1921 which would have made MC at over 40 years of
age. The second Maria died shortly after her birth. I have not been able to
find any more children named Maria born to MC.

Again, the oral history MC's daughter told me MC was born May 22, 1885 and
was that she was 5 years old when her father died. Her father died in 1899
so she had to have been born (if she was a biological child of this
marriage) before 1899 and some time between the birth of her brother Jose
(1883) and the death of her father.

I have confirmation of her father's death and of Jose's birth dates.

Again, I have spent days looking at the record books in the archive in
Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel looking for MC's birth or something that would
give me a clue as to whether or not she was biologically born to this
family. I have no doubt she was raised in this family and she "thought" she
was biologically from this family. Proving this has become an over 25 year
journey for me.

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Tue, 1/10/17, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2017, 9:44 PM

Celeste,

I went over your initial
email several times.

Maria born 1880s in Santa Barbara (in
R.Grande council) on Sao Miguel island.

Maria immigrates on 31 July 1909 to
Boston but marries only 4 months later on 27 Nov 1909 in
Providence. This doesn't sit well with me. She should
have immigrated to Providence or New York and then caught a
smaller boat down to Providence. Also, why the rush to get
married? Only 4 months? Did she know her husband over there
and was pregnant when she came over? Or perhaps that's
the wrong Maria Moraes coming into America in 1909. I can
find 2 Maria Moraes coming into NY between 1900-1910, 2 into
Boston, 1 into New Bedford, and I can't find Providence
online. So why the Maria Moraes on 31 July 1909 to Boston
and not one of the others?

Yes, you need to get the marriage book
from Holy Rosary (I'm guessing that's probably the
church they married at, since many Portuguese married
there). Call them and ask for a photocopy of the book. If
it's too large to photocopy, then ask the church
secretary to take a picture with her cell phone and text or
email the picture to you (and make a donation to the church
to keep them doing genealogy requests for others).

You have traced her in
the Federal censuses as well as the RI State censuses?

Was she an alien or
a citizen by 1940? If she was an alien, you need to get her
ali

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri,
   On my first visit to Lomba da Santa Barbara, I asked about confession rolls. 
 I was told that they had been destroyed when the new church was built.  The 
site of the old church is some kind of "center."  I talked with a lady that 
took care of the "books" etc. for the church and she told me that she had never 
seen any confession rolls for this church.  So.another dead end.
Thanks for your interest and suggestions,
Celesgte

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Tue, 1/10/17, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
 Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2017, 2:24 PM
 
 I do find it interesting that she
 was born in May and chose Cristo as her religious name.
 
 You may want to DNA test
 with these 2nd (?) cousins - the descendants of Jose and
 Seraphim - to be sure you are related.
 Search up to 1905 or '07 or '09
 when she emigrated.
 Have the
 confession rolls searched to be sure she is a part of that
 household.
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner,
 Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island:
 Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada
 
 On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at
 1:19 PM, Júlio <julio...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Descendentes de Francisco Morais da
 COSTA
 Primeira
 geração 1.  Francisco Morais da COSTA
 [58853] .  
 Francisco casou com Ana Maria
 ou de Jesus ou Da Conceição NABAL [58854] [MRIN:
 28036] Bef 1849.  
 Filho/a deste casamento:+ 2 H   i. João Morais da COSTA
 [58855] nasceu a 5 Out 1849 em Agua de  Pau, foi
 baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de  Pau, e faleceu a 13 Abr
 1899 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de idade.
  
 
 Segunda
 geração (Filhos) 2.  João Morais da COSTA [58855]
 (Francisco Morais da1) nasceu a 5 Out 1849
 em Agua de  Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de 
 Pau, e faleceu a 13 Abr 1899 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira
 Grande com 49 anos de idade.  
 Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851/SMG-
 LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851_ item1/P35.htmlJoão casou com Jacinta
 Libânia Tavares de PIMENTEL [58856] [MRIN: 28037],
 filha de José Tavares de Pimentel COENTRO [58857] 1 e Maria
 Joaquina [58879],  a 10 Nov 1867 em Santa Bárbara,
 Ribeira Grande. Jacinta nasceu a 22 Jul 1843 em Santa
 Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Notas sobre o casamento: Assento 11
 
 
 Filhos deste casamento:
    3 F   i. 
 Maria [59000] nasceu a 16 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara,
 Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 23 Ago 1868 em Santa
 Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.  
 Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869/ SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-
 1869_item1/P184.html  
 4 H      ii. Manuel de MORAIS [59001] nasceu a 29
 Ago 1870 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado
 a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.  
 Notas gerais:
 http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/ SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
 1879_item1/P16.html  
 5 F     iii. Maria de Cristo MORAIS [36266] nasceu
 a 13 Jun 1873 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, foi
 baptizada a 15 Jun 1873 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e
 faleceu a 7 Set 1970 em California com 97 anos de idade. 
 
 Notas
 gerais: http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/ SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
 1879_item1/P102.html  
 6 H      iv. Manuel MORAIS [59003] nasceu a 21 Jun
 1874 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 21
 Jun 1874 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.  
 Notas gerais:
 http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/ SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
 1879_item1/P142.html  
 7 F   v. Ana MORAIS [59004] nasceu a 14 Nov
 1876 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 15
 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.  
 Notas gerais:
 http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/ SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
 1879_item1/P207.html  
 8 H      vi. Serafim MORAIS [36272] nasceu a 23 Abr
 1879 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 27
 Abr 1879 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.  
 Notas gerais:
 http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/ SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
 1879_item1/P267.htmlSerafim casou com Rosa da
 Conceição [36273] [MRIN: 16740], filha de Francisco
 de Paiva BRANCO [36274] e Maria Rosa de Jesus
 [36275],  a 21 Jan 1901 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
 Rosa nasceu em 1876.    9
 F     vii. Ana de Jesus MORAIS [36267] nasceu em
 1881 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.  
 Ana casou com
 Manuel FURTADO [36268] [MRIN: 16737], filho de
 Florêncio José FURTADO [36269] e Maria
 Jacinta [36270],  a 7 Ago 1905 em Santa Bárbara,
 Ribeira Grande.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes, Cheri, the Maria I thought was my elusive MC, was from Santa Maria.  Not 
her.

The church where MC was married is St. Mary's in Bristol, RI.  I have a "form" 
that is filled out by Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor.  It says, 
"This is to Certify that Filippe Perreira Da Silva and Maria De Christ Moraes 
were lawfully married on the 27th day of November, 1909.  
"According to the Rite of the roman catholic church and in conformity with the 
law3s of the state of Rhode Island Rev. Thomas J. Gillam officiating in the 
presence of Antonio Perreira and Maria Perreira Witnesses as appears from the 
Marriage Register of this church.  
"Dated March 3, 1953, Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor"

My hope is that someone would be able to visit the church, ask to see the 
Marriage Register and photo copy any margin note that would have been made to 
confirm that Maria De Christ Moraes was baptized and where that took place.

This family did have two Maria born to these parents.  The first one I was 
unable to find as having died or having moved or married anywhere near the 
village of Lomba da Santa Barbara in Sao Miguel.  She was born in 1868.  MC's 
last son was born after1921 which would have made MC at over 40 years of age.  
The second Maria died shortly after her birth.  I have not been able to find 
any more children named Maria born to MC.

Again, the oral history MC's daughter told me MC was born May 22, 1885 and was 
that she was 5 years old when her father died.  Her father died in 1899 so she 
had to have been born (if she was a biological child of this marriage) before 
1899 and some time between the birth of her brother Jose (1883) and the death 
of her father.  

I have confirmation of her father's death and of Jose's birth dates.

Again, I have spent days looking at the record books in the archive in Ponta 
Delgada, S. Miguel looking for MC's birth or something that would give me a 
clue as to whether or not she was biologically born to this family.  I have no 
doubt she was raised in this family and she "thought" she was biologically from 
this family.  Proving this has become an over 25 year journey for me.

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Tue, 1/10/17, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
 To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
 Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2017, 9:44 PM
 
 Celeste,
 
 I went over your initial
 email several times. 
 
 Maria born 1880s in Santa Barbara (in
 R.Grande council) on Sao Miguel island.
 
 Maria immigrates on 31 July 1909 to
 Boston but marries only 4 months later on 27 Nov 1909 in
 Providence. This doesn't sit well with me. She should
 have immigrated to Providence or New York and then caught a
 smaller boat down to Providence. Also, why the rush to get
 married? Only 4 months? Did she know her husband over there
 and was pregnant when she came over? Or perhaps that's
 the wrong Maria Moraes coming into America in 1909. I can
 find 2 Maria Moraes coming into NY between 1900-1910, 2 into
 Boston, 1 into New Bedford, and I can't find Providence
 online. So why the Maria Moraes on 31 July 1909 to Boston
 and not one of the others?
 
 Yes, you need to get the marriage book
 from Holy Rosary (I'm guessing that's probably the
 church they married at, since many Portuguese married
 there). Call them and ask for a photocopy of the book. If
 it's too large to photocopy, then ask the church
 secretary to take a picture with her cell phone and text or
 email the picture to you (and make a donation to the church
 to keep them doing genealogy requests for others).  
 
 You have traced her in
 the Federal censuses as well as the RI State censuses?
 
 Was she an alien or
 a citizen by 1940? If she was an alien, you need to get her
 alien registration. If she became a citizen, you need that
 paperwork. If her husband became a citizen, you need his
 paperwork, as it asks about his wife.
 
 What does her death certificate say?
 Where do you get the names of her parents from? 
 
 She has a sister, Anna (per will). Did you
 chase Anna around? What did her evidence say?
 
 I swear someone found her
 for you last year. What was that all about? And why did you
 decide it wasn't yours?
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner,
 Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island:
 Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Cheri Mello]

Julio,

What is your evidence that this Maria, born in 1868 is the same Maria that
Celeste is looking for in 1884? How do you know that she died in California
in 1970? This would make her 102 and Celeste mentioned nothing about that.
Thanks, Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Júlio  wrote:

> they had other Maria, but in 1868
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-
> 1869_item1/P184.html
>
>
> de 2017 às 20:47:45 UTC-1, Mara escreveu:
>>
>> Julio,
>>
>> 5F identified as Maria do Cristo, died 8 days after birth.  Please see
>> here # 58 ;
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>> LOMBASTBARBARA-O-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-O-1870-1879
>> _item1/P54.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Júlio  wrote:
>>
>>> Descendentes de Francisco Morais da COSTA
>>> --
>>>
>>> Primeira geração
>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> *1. Francisco Morais da COSTA [58853]* .
>>>
>>> Francisco casou com *Ana Maria ou de Jesus ou Da Conceição NABAL*
>>> [58854] [MRIN: 28036] Bef 1849.
>>>
>>> *Filho/a deste casamento:*
>>>
>>> + 2 Hi. *João Morais da COSTA [58855]* nasceu a 5 Out 1849 em Agua
>>> de Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e faleceu a 13 Abr 1899
>>> em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de idade.
>>>
>>> Segunda geração (Filhos)
>>> --
>>>
>>> *2. João Morais da COSTA [58855]* (*Francisco Morais da1*) nasceu a 5
>>> Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e
>>> faleceu a 13 Abr 1899 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de
>>> idade.
>>>
>>> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov
>>> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851/SMG-LG-
>>> AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851_item1/P35.html
>>>
>>> João casou com *Jacinta Libânia Tavares de PIMENTEL* [58856] [MRIN:
>>> 28037], filha de *José Tavares de Pimentel COENTRO* [58857] 1 e *Maria
>>> Joaquina* [58879], a 10 Nov 1867 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
>>> Jacinta nasceu a 22 Jul 1843 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
>>>
>>> Notas sobre o casamento: Assento 11
>>>
>>> *Filhos deste casamento:*
>>>
>>>3 Fi. * Maria [59000]* nasceu a 16 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara,
>>> Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 23 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira
>>> Grande.
>>>
>>> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov
>>> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869/SMG
>>> -RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869_item1/P184.html
>>>
>>>4 Hii. *Manuel de MORAIS [59001]* nasceu a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa
>>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa Bárbara,
>>> Ribeira Grande.
>>>
>>> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov
>>> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG
>>> -RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P16.html
>>>
>>>5 Fiii. *Maria de Cristo MORAIS [36266]* nasceu a 13 Jun 1873 em
>>> Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, foi baptizada a 15 Jun 1873 em Santa
>>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e faleceu a 7 Set 1970 em California com 97 anos
>>> de idade.
>>>
>>> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov
>>> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG
>>> -RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P102.html
>>>
>>>6 Hiv. *Manuel MORAIS [59003]* nasceu a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa
>>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa Bárbara,
>>> Ribeira Grande.
>>>
>>> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov
>>> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG
>>> -RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P142.html
>>>
>>>7 Fv. *Ana MORAIS [59004]* nasceu a 14 Nov 1876 em Santa
>>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 15 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara,
>>> Ribeira Grande.
>>>
>>> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov
>>> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG
>>> -RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P207.html
>>>
>>>8 Hvi. *Serafim MORAIS [36272]* nasceu a 23 Abr 1879 em Santa
>>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 27 Abr 1879 em Santa Bárbara,
>>> Ribeira Grande.
>>>
>>> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov
>>> .pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG
>>> -RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P267.html
>>>
>>> Serafim casou com *Rosa da Conceição* [36273] [MRIN: 16740], filha de 
>>> *Francisco
>>> de Paiva BRANCO* [36274] e *Maria Rosa de Jesus* [36275], a 21 Jan 1901
>>> em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Rosa nasceu em 1876.
>>>
>>>9 Fvii. *Ana de Jesus MORAIS [36267]* nasceu em 1881 em Santa
>>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
>>>
>>> Ana casou com *Manuel FURTADO* [36268] [MRIN: 16737], filho de *Florêncio
>>> José FURTADO* [36269] e 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Júlio]

they had other Maria, but in 1868
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869_item1/P184.html


de 2017 às 20:47:45 UTC-1, Mara escreveu:
>
> Julio,
>
> 5F identified as Maria do Cristo, died 8 days after birth.  Please see 
> here # 58 ;
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-O-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-O-1870-1879_item1/P54.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Júlio  
> wrote:
>
>> Descendentes de Francisco Morais da COSTA
>> --
>>
>> Primeira geração
>> --
>> --
>>
>> *1. Francisco Morais da COSTA [58853]* . 
>>
>> Francisco casou com *Ana Maria ou de Jesus ou Da Conceição NABAL* 
>> [58854] [MRIN: 28036] Bef 1849. 
>>
>> *Filho/a deste casamento:* 
>>
>> + 2 Hi. *João Morais da COSTA [58855]* nasceu a 5 Out 1849 em Agua 
>> de Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e faleceu a 13 Abr 1899 
>> em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de idade. 
>>
>> Segunda geração (Filhos)
>> --
>>
>> *2. João Morais da COSTA [58855]* (*Francisco Morais da1*) nasceu a 5 
>> Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e 
>> faleceu a 13 Abr 1899 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de 
>> idade. 
>>
>> Notas gerais: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851_item1/P35.html
>>
>> João casou com *Jacinta Libânia Tavares de PIMENTEL* [58856] [MRIN: 
>> 28037], filha de *José Tavares de Pimentel COENTRO* [58857] 1 e *Maria 
>> Joaquina* [58879], a 10 Nov 1867 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. 
>> Jacinta nasceu a 22 Jul 1843 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. 
>>
>> Notas sobre o casamento: Assento 11 
>>
>> *Filhos deste casamento:* 
>>
>>3 Fi. * Maria [59000]* nasceu a 16 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara, 
>> Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 23 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira 
>> Grande. 
>>
>> Notas gerais: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869_item1/P184.html
>>
>>4 Hii. *Manuel de MORAIS [59001]* nasceu a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa 
>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa Bárbara, 
>> Ribeira Grande. 
>>
>> Notas gerais: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P16.html
>>
>>5 Fiii. *Maria de Cristo MORAIS [36266]* nasceu a 13 Jun 1873 em 
>> Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, foi baptizada a 15 Jun 1873 em Santa 
>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e faleceu a 7 Set 1970 em California com 97 anos 
>> de idade. 
>>
>> Notas gerais: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P102.html
>>
>>6 Hiv. *Manuel MORAIS [59003]* nasceu a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa 
>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa Bárbara, 
>> Ribeira Grande. 
>>
>> Notas gerais: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P142.html
>>
>>7 Fv. *Ana MORAIS [59004]* nasceu a 14 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara, 
>> Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 15 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira 
>> Grande. 
>>
>> Notas gerais: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P207.html
>>
>>8 Hvi. *Serafim MORAIS [36272]* nasceu a 23 Abr 1879 em Santa 
>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 27 Abr 1879 em Santa Bárbara, 
>> Ribeira Grande. 
>>
>> Notas gerais: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P267.html
>>
>> Serafim casou com *Rosa da Conceição* [36273] [MRIN: 16740], filha de 
>> *Francisco 
>> de Paiva BRANCO* [36274] e *Maria Rosa de Jesus* [36275], a 21 Jan 1901 
>> em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Rosa nasceu em 1876. 
>>
>>9 Fvii. *Ana de Jesus MORAIS [36267]* nasceu em 1881 em Santa 
>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. 
>>
>> Ana casou com *Manuel FURTADO* [36268] [MRIN: 16737], filho de *Florêncio 
>> José FURTADO* [36269] e *Maria Jacinta* [36270], a 7 Ago 1905 em Santa 
>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Manuel nasceu em 1861. 
>>
>>10 Hviii. *José de MORAIS [59005]* nasceu a 14 Dez 1883 em Santa 
>> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 23 Dez 1883 em Santa Bárbara, 
>> Ribeira Grande. 
>>
>> Notas gerais: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1880-1889_item1/P77.html
>>
>> segunda-feira, 9 de Janeiro de 2017 às 19:14:20 UTC-1, celeste perry 
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Once again, I am posting and 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Cheri Mello]

Celeste,

I went over your initial email several times.

Maria born 1880s in Santa Barbara (in R.Grande council) on Sao Miguel
island.

Maria immigrates on 31 July 1909 to Boston but marries only 4 months later
on 27 Nov 1909 in Providence. This doesn't sit well with me. She should
have immigrated to Providence or New York and then caught a smaller boat
down to Providence. Also, why the rush to get married? Only 4 months? Did
she know her husband over there and was pregnant when she came over? Or
perhaps that's the wrong Maria Moraes coming into America in 1909. I can
find 2 Maria Moraes coming into NY between 1900-1910, 2 into Boston, 1 into
New Bedford, and I can't find Providence online. So why the Maria Moraes on
31 July 1909 to Boston and not one of the others?

Yes, you need to get the marriage book from Holy Rosary (I'm guessing
that's probably the church they married at, since many Portuguese married
there). Call them and ask for a photocopy of the book. If it's too large to
photocopy, then ask the church secretary to take a picture with her cell
phone and text or email the picture to you (and make a donation to the
church to keep them doing genealogy requests for others).

You have traced her in the Federal censuses as well as the RI State
censuses?

Was she an alien or a citizen by 1940? If she was an alien, you need to get
her alien registration. If she became a citizen, you need that paperwork.
If her husband became a citizen, you need his paperwork, as it asks about
his wife.

What does her death certificate say? Where do you get the names of her
parents from?

She has a sister, Anna (per will). Did you chase Anna around? What did her
evidence say?

I swear someone found her for you last year. What was that all about? And
why did you decide it wasn't yours?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Cheri Mello]

I do find it interesting that she was born in May and chose Cristo as her
religious name.

You may want to DNA test with these 2nd (?) cousins - the descendants of
Jose and Seraphim - to be sure you are related.
Search up to 1905 or '07 or '09 when she emigrated.
Have the confession rolls searched to be sure she is a part of that
household.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Júlio  wrote:

> Descendentes de Francisco Morais da COSTA
> --
>
> Primeira geração
> --
> --
>
> *1. Francisco Morais da COSTA [58853]* .
>
> Francisco casou com *Ana Maria ou de Jesus ou Da Conceição NABAL* [58854]
> [MRIN: 28036] Bef 1849.
>
> *Filho/a deste casamento:*
>
> + 2 Hi. *João Morais da COSTA [58855]* nasceu a 5 Out 1849 em Agua de
> Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e faleceu a 13 Abr 1899 em
> Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de idade.
>
> Segunda geração (Filhos)
> --
>
> *2. João Morais da COSTA [58855]* (*Francisco Morais da1*) nasceu a 5 Out
> 1849 em Agua de Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e faleceu
> a 13 Abr 1899 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de idade.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851_item1/P35.html
>
> João casou com *Jacinta Libânia Tavares de PIMENTEL* [58856] [MRIN:
> 28037], filha de *José Tavares de Pimentel COENTRO* [58857] 1 e *Maria
> Joaquina* [58879], a 10 Nov 1867 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
> Jacinta nasceu a 22 Jul 1843 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas sobre o casamento: Assento 11
>
> *Filhos deste casamento:*
>
>3 Fi. * Maria [59000]* nasceu a 16 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 23 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira
> Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-
> 1869_item1/P184.html
>
>4 Hii. *Manuel de MORAIS [59001]* nasceu a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P16.html
>
>5 Fiii. *Maria de Cristo MORAIS [36266]* nasceu a 13 Jun 1873 em
> Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, foi baptizada a 15 Jun 1873 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e faleceu a 7 Set 1970 em California com 97 anos
> de idade.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P102.html
>
>6 Hiv. *Manuel MORAIS [59003]* nasceu a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P142.html
>
>7 Fv. *Ana MORAIS [59004]* nasceu a 14 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 15 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira
> Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P207.html
>
>8 Hvi. *Serafim MORAIS [36272]* nasceu a 23 Abr 1879 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 27 Abr 1879 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P267.html
>
> Serafim casou com *Rosa da Conceição* [36273] [MRIN: 16740], filha de 
> *Francisco
> de Paiva BRANCO* [36274] e *Maria Rosa de Jesus* [36275], a 21 Jan 1901
> em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Rosa nasceu em 1876.
>
>9 Fvii. *Ana de Jesus MORAIS [36267]* nasceu em 1881 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
>
> Ana casou com *Manuel FURTADO* [36268] [MRIN: 16737], filho de *Florêncio
> José FURTADO* [36269] e *Maria Jacinta* [36270], a 7 Ago 1905 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Manuel nasceu em 1861.
>
>10 Hviii. *José de MORAIS [59005]* nasceu a 14 Dez 1883 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 23 Dez 1883 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1880-
> 1889_item1/P77.html
>
> segunda-feira, 9 de Janeiro de 2017 às 19:14:20 UTC-1, celeste perry
> escreveu:
>>
>> Once again, I am posting and asking for any information that will help in
>> my search to find my husband's paternal grandmother, Maria CristoIn the
>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Margaret Vicente]

Julio,

5F identified as Maria do Cristo, died 8 days after birth.  Please see here
# 58 ;

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-O-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-O-1870-1879_item1/P54.html



On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Júlio  wrote:

> Descendentes de Francisco Morais da COSTA
> --
>
> Primeira geração
> --
> --
>
> *1. Francisco Morais da COSTA [58853]* .
>
> Francisco casou com *Ana Maria ou de Jesus ou Da Conceição NABAL* [58854]
> [MRIN: 28036] Bef 1849.
>
> *Filho/a deste casamento:*
>
> + 2 Hi. *João Morais da COSTA [58855]* nasceu a 5 Out 1849 em Agua de
> Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e faleceu a 13 Abr 1899 em
> Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de idade.
>
> Segunda geração (Filhos)
> --
>
> *2. João Morais da COSTA [58855]* (*Francisco Morais da1*) nasceu a 5 Out
> 1849 em Agua de Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e faleceu
> a 13 Abr 1899 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de idade.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851_item1/P35.html
>
> João casou com *Jacinta Libânia Tavares de PIMENTEL* [58856] [MRIN:
> 28037], filha de *José Tavares de Pimentel COENTRO* [58857] 1 e *Maria
> Joaquina* [58879], a 10 Nov 1867 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
> Jacinta nasceu a 22 Jul 1843 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas sobre o casamento: Assento 11
>
> *Filhos deste casamento:*
>
>3 Fi. * Maria [59000]* nasceu a 16 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 23 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira
> Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-
> 1869_item1/P184.html
>
>4 Hii. *Manuel de MORAIS [59001]* nasceu a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P16.html
>
>5 Fiii. *Maria de Cristo MORAIS [36266]* nasceu a 13 Jun 1873 em
> Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, foi baptizada a 15 Jun 1873 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e faleceu a 7 Set 1970 em California com 97 anos
> de idade.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P102.html
>
>6 Hiv. *Manuel MORAIS [59003]* nasceu a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P142.html
>
>7 Fv. *Ana MORAIS [59004]* nasceu a 14 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 15 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira
> Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P207.html
>
>8 Hvi. *Serafim MORAIS [36272]* nasceu a 23 Abr 1879 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 27 Abr 1879 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-
> 1879_item1/P267.html
>
> Serafim casou com *Rosa da Conceição* [36273] [MRIN: 16740], filha de 
> *Francisco
> de Paiva BRANCO* [36274] e *Maria Rosa de Jesus* [36275], a 21 Jan 1901
> em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Rosa nasceu em 1876.
>
>9 Fvii. *Ana de Jesus MORAIS [36267]* nasceu em 1881 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande.
>
> Ana casou com *Manuel FURTADO* [36268] [MRIN: 16737], filho de *Florêncio
> José FURTADO* [36269] e *Maria Jacinta* [36270], a 7 Ago 1905 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Manuel nasceu em 1861.
>
>10 Hviii. *José de MORAIS [59005]* nasceu a 14 Dez 1883 em Santa
> Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 23 Dez 1883 em Santa Bárbara,
> Ribeira Grande.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1880-
> 1889_item1/P77.html
>
> segunda-feira, 9 de Janeiro de 2017 às 19:14:20 UTC-1, celeste perry
> escreveu:
>>
>> Once again, I am posting and asking for any information that will help in
>> my search to find my husband's paternal grandmother, Maria CristoIn the
>> US she used many names:  Maria or Mary, Pereira da Silva; Pereira; or
>> Silva.
>>
>> 1. Her name:
>> In 2006, I received an email from a great-grandson of MC’s brother Jose.
>> He wrote “on Ancestry.com he found Maria Cristo immigrated July 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Júlio]

Descendentes de Francisco Morais da COSTA
--

Primeira geração
--
--

*1. Francisco Morais da COSTA [58853]* . 

Francisco casou com *Ana Maria ou de Jesus ou Da Conceição NABAL* [58854] 
[MRIN: 28036] Bef 1849. 

*Filho/a deste casamento:* 

+ 2 Hi. *João Morais da COSTA [58855] 
* nasceu a 5 Out 1849 em 
Agua de Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, e faleceu a 13 Abr 
1899 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos de idade. 

Segunda geração (Filhos)
--

*2. João Morais da COSTA [58855] 
* (*Francisco Morais da1*) 
nasceu a 5 Out 1849 em Agua de Pau, foi baptizado a 22 Out 1849 em Agua de 
Pau, e faleceu a 13 Abr 1899 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande com 49 anos 
de idade. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1848-1851_item1/P35.html

João casou com *Jacinta Libânia Tavares de PIMENTEL* [58856] [MRIN: 28037], 
filha de *José Tavares de Pimentel COENTRO* [58857] 1 
 e *Maria Joaquina* [58879], a 10 
Nov 1867 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Jacinta nasceu a 22 Jul 1843 em 
Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. 

Notas sobre o casamento: Assento 11 

*Filhos deste casamento:* 

   3 Fi. * Maria [59000]* nasceu a 16 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara, 
Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 23 Ago 1868 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira 
Grande. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1860-1869_item1/P184.html

   4 Hii. *Manuel de MORAIS [59001]* nasceu a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa 
Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 29 Ago 1870 em Santa Bárbara, 
Ribeira Grande. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P16.html

   5 Fiii. *Maria de Cristo MORAIS [36266]* nasceu a 13 Jun 1873 em 
Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, foi baptizada a 15 Jun 1873 em Santa 
Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e faleceu a 7 Set 1970 em California com 97 anos 
de idade. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P102.html

   6 Hiv. *Manuel MORAIS [59003]* nasceu a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa 
Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 21 Jun 1874 em Santa Bárbara, 
Ribeira Grande. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P142.html

   7 Fv. *Ana MORAIS [59004]* nasceu a 14 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara, 
Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizada a 15 Nov 1876 em Santa Bárbara, Ribeira 
Grande. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P207.html

   8 Hvi. *Serafim MORAIS [36272]* nasceu a 23 Abr 1879 em Santa 
Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 27 Abr 1879 em Santa Bárbara, 
Ribeira Grande. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P267.html

Serafim casou com *Rosa da Conceição* [36273] [MRIN: 16740], filha de 
*Francisco 
de Paiva BRANCO* [36274] e *Maria Rosa de Jesus* [36275], a 21 Jan 1901 em 
Santa Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Rosa nasceu em 1876. 

   9 Fvii. *Ana de Jesus MORAIS [36267]* nasceu em 1881 em Santa 
Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. 

Ana casou com *Manuel FURTADO* [36268] [MRIN: 16737], filho de *Florêncio 
José FURTADO* [36269] e *Maria Jacinta* [36270], a 7 Ago 1905 em Santa 
Bárbara, Ribeira Grande. Manuel nasceu em 1861. 

   10 Hviii. *José de MORAIS [59005]* nasceu a 14 Dez 1883 em Santa 
Bárbara, Ribeira Grande, e foi baptizado a 23 Dez 1883 em Santa Bárbara, 
Ribeira Grande. 

Notas gerais: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-B-1880-1889_item1/P77.html

segunda-feira, 9 de Janeiro de 2017 às 19:14:20 UTC-1, celeste perry 
escreveu:
>
> Once again, I am posting and asking for any information that will help in 
> my search to find my husband's paternal grandmother, Maria CristoIn the 
> US she used many names:  Maria or Mary, Pereira da Silva; Pereira; or 
> Silva.   
>
> 1. Her name:   
> In 2006, I received an email from a great-grandson of MC’s brother Jose. 
>  He wrote “on Ancestry.com he found Maria Cristo immigrated July 31, 
> 1909.”I found an arrival of “Maria Moraes arriving July 31, 1909, age 25, 
> est. birth yr. 1884, F, Portuguese, port of departure: St. michaels, Az, 
> Portugal; ship name, Cretic; arriving at Boston, MA; last residence, 
> Azores, birthplace, St. Barbara, Azores.”  I received this information from 
> someone and I never saw the name of the person she was going to.  I think 
> she would have come to her brother, Seraphine 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Cheri Mello]

Aaron,

The parents, Joao Morais da Costa & Jacinta Libania married 10 Nov 1867 in
Santa Barbara on Sao Miguel island. Record 11, right side:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-C-1860-1869/SMG-RG-LOMBASTBARBARA-C-1860-1869_item1/P58.html

Julio said he found Maria baptism on 22 May 1885 in Santa Barbara and
provided a descendency report. I did not see a link, however I had to wade
through a lot of old messages to find who found what. Maybe he can paste
the link here for Celeste to see.

She had to have proof of her birth before she got on that boat in 1909.

Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo

[Aaron Pereira]

Celeste,

Can you give us the link to the marriage of  Joao Moraes and Jacinta 
Libianna; or, at least the marriage date and place.  Thank you

On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 12:14:20 PM UTC-8, celeste perry wrote:
>
> Once again, I am posting and asking for any information that will help in 
> my search to find my husband's paternal grandmother, Maria CristoIn the 
> US she used many names:  Maria or Mary, Pereira da Silva; Pereira; or 
> Silva.   
>
> 1. Her name:   
> In 2006, I received an email from a great-grandson of MC’s brother Jose. 
>  He wrote “on Ancestry.com he found Maria Cristo immigrated July 31, 
> 1909.”I found an arrival of “Maria Moraes arriving July 31, 1909, age 25, 
> est. birth yr. 1884, F, Portuguese, port of departure: St. michaels, Az, 
> Portugal; ship name, Cretic; arriving at Boston, MA; last residence, 
> Azores, birthplace, St. Barbara, Azores.”  I received this information from 
> someone and I never saw the name of the person she was going to.  I think 
> she would have come to her brother, Seraphine who immigrated 10/24/1904 and 
> I have found his name as:  Serafim Morais/Morris/Moraes in different 
> census. 
> On her marriage record:  11/27/09 she is: Maria de Christ Moraes 
> 2. DOB, where??? :  May 22, 1884/1885 Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao 
> Miguel, Azores, (oral history told to me by her daughter) 
> She married in 1909 and said she was 22 years old (I have the marriage 
> record from St. Mary’s church in Bristol, RI.)  Rencently, I noticed that 
> the information I have is on a form filled out by the priest at St. Mary's 
> church in Bristol, RI.)  I would like to have someone look at the actual 
> book to see if the priest MAY have written her place of birth. 
> 3.Father:  Joao Moraes, he died 4/13/1899, I found his death 
> record in 2006. 
> 4.Mother: Jacinta Libianna 
> 5.When did she come to US:  I think she came to the US to her 
> brother, Seraphine Moraes.  This is what her daughter told me.  It had to 
> have been before Nov. 1909 when she married. 
> 6.In the 1910 census Fellippe E. & Mary C. Silva, are living with 
> Seraphim & Rosa Morais at 15 East Brooks. St.   in Bristol, RI she lived on 
> Estbrook St.  with her husband, Fillippe Silva.  She was listed as Maria C. 
> Silva who immigrated in 1909. 
> 1927-1928, 1929-1930/ 1935-1936; 1937 census, Phillip & Mry Perry, 
> carpenter, live at 66 Blossom St. 
> 1938; 1939, 43, 66 Blossom St. per City directory 
> 1947 moved to Oakland, CA 
> 7.In 2005, at the Oakland FHCC, I found a Maria Moraes arriving 
> 7/31/1909, age 25, est. yob 1884, F, Portuguese; departed: S.Miguel; ship’s 
> name is Crotic; arrived in Boston, MA 
> 8.She was 24 years old when her daughter Mary was born in 1911. 
>
> Any help in locating a document that connects her to the biological family 
> she and her "sister, Anna" "thought"  was her family.  When Anna died in 
> her will she left , "to my sister, Mary Perry in Oakland, California, 
> $100.00." 
>
> I viewed the records for Lomba da Santa Barbara in Sao Miguel page by page 
> and found all her siblings.  Although there was no "Maria" born to this 
> family that fit the bill for my Maria Cristo.  There were 2 Maria's; the 
> first would have been too old when my Maria Cristo's youngest son was born 
> to have been her.  The second Maria, died young.  Everyone with whom I have 
> spoken that knew this family all connect her to the family.  There is just 
> no baptismal record that I have found to do so. 
>
> Thanks for any help you can think of that will give me a solid connection. 
> Celeste 
> Thanks, Celeste 
>
> Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com 
>
> Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com  
>

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