Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
Aha! Now I see it:)  Susan

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Susan it is in the middle of the 4th line. Sesanta e trez annos the second s 
> looked like a t so I was thinking it was trenta e trez.  Thirty years is a 
> big difference.
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>] 
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:37 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
> your thoughts
>  
> I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844
>  
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Margaret
>>  
>> I was looking at this Obit :  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>>   Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years 
>> old.
>> If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 
>> Rick
>>  
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf 
>> Of Margaret Vicente
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
>> To: azores
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
>> your thoughts
>>  
>> Rick,
>>  
>> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage 
>> for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
>> married Feb 15 1816.
>>  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html>
>>  
>> Margaret
>>  
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net <mailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
>> where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries 
>> Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html>
>>   Left side.
>>  
>> I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>>   Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old 
>> more or less.
>>  
>> The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
>> for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
>> Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 
>>  
>> I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one 
>> Luiza baptized: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html>
>>   upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
>> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
>> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
>> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name 
>> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of 
>> hearing.
>>  
>> The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 
>> the baptism

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Margaret Vicente 
Any time, Rick!

Margaret

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Thank You Margaret. What I was trying to do is to make sure I did not
> have this couple confused with another couple and the records you provided
> clears that up. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2018 3:24 PM
>
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records
> need your thoughts
>
>
>
> Rick, did a bit of digging, below are Luzia and her sister Maria birth
> records.  Note the parents name changes from Rodrigues at Luzia's birth in
> 1783 to Araujo at her sister's birth in 1788.
>
>
>
> Luzia, top left.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-
> 1791_item1/P166.html
>
>
>
> Maria, top right.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-
> 1791_item1/P210.html
>
>
>
> Here's hoping this is your couple.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Rick the obit says she was 63 years old at death, SeSenta e tres anos.
> That would place her birth about 1781.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *Hi Margaret*
>
>
>
> *I was looking at this Obit **:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years
> old.*
>
> *If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their
> ages. *
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records
> need your thoughts
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
>
>
> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a
> marriage for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.
> They were married Feb 15 1816.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-
> 1820_item1/P227.html
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo
> Salvador where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo
> marries Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html>
> Left side.*
>
>
>
> *I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old
> more or less.*
>
>
>
> *The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal
> records for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to
> Francisco de Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. *
>
>
>
> *I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
> Luiza baptized:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html>
> upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two
> different names. If the marriage reco

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
Thank You Margaret. What I was trying to do is to make sure I did not have this 
couple confused with another couple and the records you provided clears that 
up. 

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:24 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick, did a bit of digging, below are Luzia and her sister Maria birth records. 
 Note the parents name changes from Rodrigues at Luzia's birth in 1783 to 
Araujo at her sister's birth in 1788.

 

Luzia, top left.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791_item1/P166.html

 

Maria, top right.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791_item1/P210.html

 

Here's hoping this is your couple.

 

Margaret

 

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Thanks.

 

Rick the obit says she was 63 years old at death, SeSenta e tres anos.  That 
would place her birth about 1781.

 

Margaret

 

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Margaret

 

I was looking at this Obit :  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years old.

If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick,

 

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage for 
Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
married Feb 15 1816.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Margaret Vicente 
Rick, did a bit of digging, below are Luzia and her sister Maria birth
records.  Note the parents name changes from Rodrigues at Luzia's birth in
1783 to Araujo at her sister's birth in 1788.

Luzia, top left.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791_item1/P166.html

Maria, top right.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791_item1/P210.html

Here's hoping this is your couple.

Margaret


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> Rick the obit says she was 63 years old at death, SeSenta e tres anos.
> That would place her birth about 1781.
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Hi Margaret*
>>
>>
>>
>> *I was looking at this Obit **:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>>  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years
>> old.*
>>
>> *If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their
>> ages. *
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
>> *To:* azores
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records
>> need your thoughts
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>>
>>
>> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a
>> marriage for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.
>> They were married Feb 15 1816.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>> PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> *Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo
>> Salvador where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo
>> marries Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html>
>> Left side.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto
>> Formoso:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>>  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old
>> more or less.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal
>> records for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to
>> Francisco de Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. *
>>
>>
>>
>> *I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
>> Luiza baptized:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html>
>> upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on
>> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two
>> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that
>> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name
>> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of
>> hearing.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov
>> 1811 the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
>> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *I am leaning that the bapt

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
Susan it is in the middle of the 4th line. Sesanta e trez annos the second s 
looked like a t so I was thinking it was trenta e trez.  Thirty years is a big 
difference.

 

Rick

 

From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:37 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844

 

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Margaret

 

I was looking at this Obit :  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years old.

If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick,

 

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage for 
Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
married Feb 15 1816.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
Ok that clears up that. I guess I am lucky their marriage wasn’t in the missing 
records.  

Thank You Margaret. 

 

From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:37 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844

 

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Margaret

 

I was looking at this Obit :  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years old.

If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick,

 

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage for 
Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
married Feb 15 1816.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Margaret Vicente 
Thanks.

Rick the obit says she was 63 years old at death, SeSenta e tres anos.
That would place her birth about 1781.

Margaret


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Hi Margaret*
>
>
>
> *I was looking at this Obit **:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years
> old.*
>
> *If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their
> ages. *
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records
> need your thoughts
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
>
>
> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a
> marriage for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.
> They were married Feb 15 1816.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-
> 1820_item1/P227.html
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo
> Salvador where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo
> marries Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html>
> Left side.*
>
>
>
> *I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html>
>  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old
> more or less.*
>
>
>
> *The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal
> records for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to
> Francisco de Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. *
>
>
>
> *I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
> Luiza baptized:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html>
> upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two
> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that
> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name
> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of
> hearing.*
>
>
>
> *The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov
> 1811 the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.*
>
>
>
> *I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any
> opinions on this.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Margaret
>  
> I was looking at this Obit :  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>   Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years 
> old.
> If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages.
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
> To: azores
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
> your thoughts
>  
> Rick,
>  
> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage 
> for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
> married Feb 15 1816.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html
>  
> Margaret
>  
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
> where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries 
> Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
>   Left side.
>  
> I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>   Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old 
> more or less.
>  
> The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
> for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
> Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840.
>  
> I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one 
> Luiza baptized: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
>   upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name 
> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of 
> hearing.
>  
> The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 
> the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the 
> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.
>  
> I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
> this.
>  
> Rick
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
>  
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>   
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
Hi Margaret

 

I was looking at this Obit :  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years old.

If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick,

 

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage for 
Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
married Feb 15 1816.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Margaret Vicente 
Rick,

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage
for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They
were married Feb 15 1816.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

Margaret

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo
> Salvador where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo
> marries Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
> 
> Left side.*
>
>
>
> *I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> 
>  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old
> more or less.*
>
>
>
> *The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal
> records for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to
> Francisco de Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. *
>
>
>
> *I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
> Luiza baptized:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
> 
> upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two
> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that
> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name
> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of
> hearing.*
>
>
>
> *The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov
> 1811 the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.*
>
>
>
> *I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any
> opinions on this.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread nancy jean baptiste 
In one of our early maternal deaths, the mother died and the baby died 10 
months later.

Nancy


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Francis Pimentel <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 11:33:42 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts


I did not check the obits but the baptismal records were available from 1840 to 
the time of her death which I checked and found no children born but now 
thinking about it I should look past her death date in case a baby was born and 
later died. Thanks.

Rick



From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 10:27 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts



Hi Rick,



Just curious if there is an obit around the time of Luzia's obit for her baby? 
Possible some info on it if there is one. 33 yr old death for a female could be 
childbirth related. It was in my family.



Regards,

Nancy Jean







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Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:53:22 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts



Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.



I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.



The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840.



I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.



The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.



I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.



Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH



Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
I did not check the obits but the baptismal records were available from 1840 to 
the time of her death which I checked and found no children born but now 
thinking about it I should look past her death date in case a baby was born and 
later died. Thanks.

Rick

 

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nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 10:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Hi Rick,

 

Just curious if there is an obit around the time of Luzia's obit for her baby? 
Possible some info on it if there is one. 33 yr old death for a female could be 
childbirth related. It was in my family.

 

Regards,

Nancy Jean

 

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Richard 
Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:53:22 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts 

 

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread nancy jean baptiste 
Hi Rick,


Just curious if there is an obit around the time of Luzia's obit for her baby? 
Possible some info on it if there is one. 33 yr old death for a female could be 
childbirth related. It was in my family.


Regards,

Nancy Jean




From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Richard 
Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:53:22 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts


Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.



I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.



The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840.



I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.



The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.



I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.



Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH



Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

2018-04-30 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel 
Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries
Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-183
6-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1
843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html  Left side bottom
entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
Luiza baptized:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1
800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html  upper right entry.
Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on Obito) compared to
Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two different names. If the
marriage record were found it would clear up that question  but I can only
assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was changed at marriage.
Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811
the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions
on this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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