Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Gayle, Good to know Reunion has a Baptism event. For programs that allows people to "create" their own event, people need to be careful. When a Gedcom is created, some of those created events aren't Gedcom compliant and create havoc when imported. My genealogy program has no event for dispensation. I need that when researching Portuguese lines. So I created one, but looked at the Gedcom codes and assigned it to "EVEN" for "event" so when it imports to another person, it will come through in some kind of format that makes sense. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Cheri, > > Reunion has a baptism event but also allows you to create a custom event > which you can name yourself. > > Gayle > > On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:41 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Legacy (v. 9) has a Christening event/tag. RootsMagic has a Baptism > event/tag/fact. I don't know what Family Tree Maker has. Or Reunion. Since > a couple of them have a baptism or christening, I would think that the > others do too. It's a workaround. Or the "about" or "circa" or "before" as > well. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM JR wrote: > >> Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create >> a primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about >> field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, >> it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still >> use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is >> then forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for >> the answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my >> Portuguese ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or >> index, to that effect. >> >> JR >> >> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Hi Walt, >>> >>> My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). >>> So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. >>> The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast wrote: >>> I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: Cheri, I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the birth date? Example: Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 Thanks, Walt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Cheri, Reunion has a baptism event but also allows you to create a custom event which you can name yourself. Gayle > On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:41 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Legacy (v. 9) has a Christening event/tag. RootsMagic has a Baptism > event/tag/fact. I don't know what Family Tree Maker has. Or Reunion. Since a > couple of them have a baptism or christening, I would think that the others > do too. It's a workaround. Or the "about" or "circa" or "before" as well. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM JR wrote: >> Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create a >> primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about >> field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, >> it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still >> use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is then >> forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for the >> answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my Portuguese >> ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or index, to that >> effect. >> >> JR >> >>> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> Hi Walt, >>> >>> My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). So >>> I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. The >>> first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast wrote: I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. > On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: > > Cheri, > > I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it > would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping > aids. During the time period where the birth date is not given in the > baptism record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do > about the birth date? > Example: > Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 > Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 > > Thanks, > > Walt > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Hi Walter, When starting out, I was guided to using the Bef/Aft/Abt system to have the most concrete info/reference in the Birth/Marriage/Death date blocks. Born: *Place line/block* Bef 25 Mar 1678 put baptismal location Abt 1678 Calc fm age at death/in will/etc Aft 1678 Not of age Fa/xxx will Death Bef 3 Feb 1700 bur xxx (location from burial) Aft Feb 1700 alive in Fa will Bef Feb 1700 dec’d at dau/son xxx marriage Regards, Marsha Stringer strin...@mstringer.net *From:* azores@googlegroups.com *On Behalf Of *Walter Teixeira *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 8:51 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information Cheri, I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the birth date? Example: Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 Thanks, Walt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Just a couple of thoughts when applying dates. When you have a baptism date and you want to apply a birth date it is more appropriate to use “about” or “circa”. That generally means the date is close to that date and by adding a note the date is based on the baptism. The more complete date you use with the term “about” or “circa” the more precise it is. Consider these two dates: “abt 1828” and “abt 2 Mar 1828”. The latter has a more precise meaning. The use of “before” is open-ended and could mean a few days to years. I generally use the term “before” when I encounter a person named as deceased as in a marriage or baptismal record, you know the person died but you do not know if it was the day before or ten years before. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:41 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information Legacy (v. 9) has a Christening event/tag. RootsMagic has a Baptism event/tag/fact. I don't know what Family Tree Maker has. Or Reunion. Since a couple of them have a baptism or christening, I would think that the others do too. It's a workaround. Or the "about" or "circa" or "before" as well. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM JR wrote: Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create a primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is then forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for the answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my Portuguese ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or index, to that effect. JR On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: Hi Walt, My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast wrote: I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: Cheri, I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the birth date? Example: Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 Thanks, Walt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Legacy (v. 9) has a Christening event/tag. RootsMagic has a Baptism event/tag/fact. I don't know what Family Tree Maker has. Or Reunion. Since a couple of them have a baptism or christening, I would think that the others do too. It's a workaround. Or the "about" or "circa" or "before" as well. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM JR wrote: > Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create a > primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about > field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, > it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still > use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is > then forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for > the answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my > Portuguese ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or > index, to that effect. > > JR > > On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Hi Walt, >> >> My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). >> So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. >> The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast wrote: >> >>> I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: >>> >>> Cheri, >>> >>> I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it >>> would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. >>> During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism >>> record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the >>> birth date? >>> Example: >>> Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 >>> Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Walt >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create a primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is then forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for the answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my Portuguese ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or index, to that effect. JR On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Hi Walt, > > My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). > So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. > The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast > > wrote: > >> I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. >> >> >> >> On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira > > wrote: >> >> Cheri, >> >> I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it >> would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. >> During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism >> record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the >> birth date? >> Example: >> Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 >> Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Walt >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
Hi Walt, My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). So I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. The first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast wrote: > I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. > > > > On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: > > Cheri, > > I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it > would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. > During the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism > record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the > birth date? > Example: > Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 > Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 > > Thanks, > > Walt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information
I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678. Then at know to look before that date. > On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira wrote: > > Cheri, > > I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it would > take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping aids. During > the time period where the birth date is not given in the baptism record and > you only have the baptism date, what do most people do about the birth date? > Example: > Baptism Date: 25 March 1678 > Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or about March 1678 > > Thanks, > > Walt > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
