Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records
Thank you so much ,I will try my hardest to find this. Dora Gomes From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records Hi Dora, In your original post, you did not mention 2 places. You only mentioned Rabo de Peixe in the council (county) of Ribeira Grande. For recent (within 100 years which covers your 1955 death) you write to the local council. Each council is independent. If you now think your sister died in Ponta Delgada, you need to write the civil registry there. They don't have the records for Ribeira Grande. Ribeira Grande does not have the records for Ponta Delgada. They are independent of each other. I suggest you interview many family members to see if they remember where your sister died. Then I'd write the appropriate civil registry. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records
Hi I have tried two places that you people gave me but they still can't find any information.What do I do now. I know she was in rabo de peixe when she was taken to the hospital ribeira grande or ponte delgarda.I can't remember which one had the hospital in 1955.She had hot scalding milk spilt on her and she died after she got to the hospital.Thanks Dora Gomes From: Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@sapo.pt To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 3:08 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records Gail, At the cemetery you buy the land. After that you have a property certificate like when you buy a house. After that if you want to build something there you have to pay a new fee. No one takes care of the grave or mausoleum you built there unless you have someone to take care of it. If a corps is buried in the earth it must stay there at least for 5 years. Only after that you may put another corps in the same grave. Of course if you build a mausoleum you may put more coffins (lead urns) there. Usually people buy the land to build some kind of memorial and to be buried in the same land as his/her mother (for example) was buried… Nowadays, there are no private cemeteries (may be very special cases or old ones). In Ponta Delgada we have two cemeteries: The Cemitério de S. Joaquim (the so called public cemetery) and the Cemitério dos Ingleses (English Cemetery) which is no longer used because everybody has to be buried at the so called public cemetery by force of law. The designation comes from the time when people was buried in the churches. At that time you had Catholic burials, Protestant burials (first law was in 1805 but only in 1835 the burial outside the churches started… in some places only ended about 1920’s). (I heard that the Jewish people were buried in the beaches… not sure of!!) eliseu-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records
Hi Dora, In your original post, you did not mention 2 places. You only mentioned Rabo de Peixe in the council (county) of Ribeira Grande. For recent (within 100 years which covers your 1955 death) you write to the local council. Each council is independent. If you now think your sister died in Ponta Delgada, you need to write the civil registry there. They don't have the records for Ribeira Grande. Ribeira Grande does not have the records for Ponta Delgada. They are independent of each other. I suggest you interview many family members to see if they remember where your sister died. Then I'd write the appropriate civil registry. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records
Gosh, I'm learning a lot about Portugal thanks to all of you. So, if you purchase the land, you still have to pay to upkeep it? What is a common grave? Gail From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:47 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records Hi, There is only one Cemetery in Rabo de Peixe. Nowadays the minimum time a corps is interred is 5 years. If you want to keep the corps there you have to buy the land of the grave. Then you may put as many corps as you want in your land under the rule of the minimum 5 years. The burial records must be at the Registo Civil of Ribeira Grande. Eliseu -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records
Gail, I'm sure the people who live in the Azores will answer. The way I understand it is after 5 (or 7 or whatever years), the fee is kind of like a rental fee. I'm unsure who keeps up the grass and care of the cemetery. They are public cemeteries, so I would think that the local village would. What I meant by a common grave (at least in America) is somewhat like a mass grave. There are no private burial rights and they are filled with the remains of various people who are not necessarily related. This may be another grave or a crypt where the bones are placed. This would be after they spent their 5 years in their own grave. Cheri -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records
They also do this type of thing on the small island in Croatia/Italy where some of my family came from. When we went to visit the cemetery, they had taken the stones of the expired gravesites and lined them along the inner wall of the cemetery so we were still able find a record of they deaths. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records
Eliseu, Thanks for the info, it is quite interesting. I never knew that type of thing existed, I’m so use to having catholic cemeteries and other cemeteries in Hawaii. I’m keeping all of this info to someday put in my family tree book. Gail From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 9:08 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records Gail, At the cemetery you buy the land. After that you have a property certificate like when you buy a house. After that if you want to build something there you have to pay a new fee. No one takes care of the grave or mausoleum you built there unless you have someone to take care of it. If a corps is buried in the earth it must stay there at least for 5 years. Only after that you may put another corps in the same grave. Of course if you build a mausoleum you may put more coffins (lead urns) there. Usually people buy the land to build some kind of memorial and to be buried in the same land as his/her mother (for example) was buried… Nowadays, there are no private cemeteries (may be very special cases or old ones). In Ponta Delgada we have two cemeteries: The Cemitério de S. Joaquim (the so called public cemetery) and the Cemitério dos Ingleses (English Cemetery) which is no longer used because everybody has to be buried at the so called public cemetery by force of law. The designation comes from the time when people was buried in the churches. At that time you had Catholic burials, Protestant burials (first law was in 1805 but only in 1835 the burial outside the churches started… in some places only ended about 1920’s). (I heard that the Jewish people were buried in the beaches… not sure of!!) eliseu -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Find my sisters burial records
Dora G, Rabo de Peixe is in the council of Ribeira Grande. For a 1955 death (or any birth, marriage or death event within the last 100 years), you would have to write the Civil Registry there. The address for that Civil Registry is here (along with the others for all of the Azores): http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/genresources.html There is probably only 1 cemetery in Rabo de Peixe. Unless your family has been paying since 1955 for perpetual care, her grave has probably been reused by now. Her remains are probably in a common grave. The Azores just don't have a lot of land and I think it becomes very difficult to have everyone who ever lived there be interred indefinitely, as they do in North America and other countries that have much more land. I was told that most people are interred for 7 years and then the grave is reused. I don't know if the 7 years is a definite rule or it varies a little bit from freguesia to freguesia. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
