Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes on this please?

2014-02-03 Thread Cheri Mello
Sallie,
Yes Cosmo Jose.  He is from Sao Mateus on Graciosa island (4th line from
the bottom, towards the end of that line begins: natural da Freguesia de
Sao Mateus da Ilha Gracioza).

Thereza de Sao Jose is from that same freguesia. That's where they were
married too.

You got baby Francisco's grandmothers?  His grandfathers were pai incognito.
Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes on this please?

2014-02-03 Thread AndresWife
Thank you Cheri,

What I have as paternal grandparents are: Francisco Jose Santos and Theresa 
Louisa D Sousa   Maternal Grandparents: Jose Cosmos Rosa and Aurelia Maria ... 
 

From: Cheri Mello 
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 10:11 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes on this please?

Sallie,

Yes Cosmo Jose.  He is from Sao Mateus on Graciosa island (4th line from the 
bottom, towards the end of that line begins: natural da Freguesia de Sao Mateus 
da Ilha Gracioza).


Thereza de Sao Jose is from that same freguesia. That's where they were married 
too.


You got baby Francisco's grandmothers?  His grandfathers were pai incognito.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes on this please?

2014-02-03 Thread Cheri Mello
This baptism does not say what you have for the grands..


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes on this please?

2014-02-03 Thread AndresWife
it has different ones?  I think I got info from family... but I haven’t 
unpacked the genealogy book they gave out at the reunion.. ugh.. so I cant 
check til I find it 


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Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:39 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes on this please?

This baptism does not say what you have for the grands..



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-17 Thread Margaret Vicente
Hi Nancy,

Just checking to see if you've had a chance to send the gedcom file?

Thank you.

Margaret

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Besotes beso...@succeed.net wrote:

  Nancy, Can I jump in here?  Can you tell me what line of Bettencourts
 you're speaking about?

 Thank you, Robin Borba Besotes

 - Original Message -
 *From:* nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com
 *To:* azores group azores@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* 2010-04-14 17:03
 *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

 Margaret,
 When Arline sent me the gedcom behind my gggrandmother,Agueda, I printed it
 and it printed not just the names but all the sources.I was as thrilled
 to see the manuscripts and othe internet sites and genealogical sites but
 primarily the unpublished manuscripts which she has copies of most of
 them I'll send you my gedcom for Agueda back to the
 Bettencourts.you'll enjoy what's available for your search! My laptop is
 at the Auditorium, so tomorrow.
 Nancy

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-17 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Sorry Margaret.not yet.we've been swamped at the Auditorium with 2000 
people for the AA convention the last 2 days..will do it today though after 
I plant these starts in the garden! Looks like Celeste and Rosemarie are 
cousins on this line as well as Joao..

Nancy
 


Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:10:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
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Hi Nancy,


Just checking to see if you've had a chance to send the gedcom file? 


Thank you.


Margaret


On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Besotes beso...@succeed.net wrote:



Nancy, Can I jump in here?  Can you tell me what line of Bettencourts you're 
speaking about?
 
Thank you, Robin Borba Besotes


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To: azores group 
Sent: 2010-04-14 17:03
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes


Margaret,
When Arline sent me the gedcom behind my gggrandmother,Agueda, I printed it and 
it printed not just the names but all the sources.I was as thrilled to see 
the manuscripts and othe internet sites and genealogical sites but primarily 
the unpublished manuscripts which she has copies of most of them I'll send 
you my gedcom for Agueda back to the Bettencourts.you'll enjoy what's 
available for your search! My laptop is at the Auditorium, so tomorrow.
Nancy
 




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-17 Thread Margaret Vicente
Didn't mean to rush you Nancy, just thought you may have sent and it didn't
come through...whenever you can is good, thank you!  The new discovered
relationships is an amazing feeling.

Margaret.

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:25 AM, nancy jean baptiste 
fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Sorry Margaret.not yet.we've been swamped at the Auditorium with
 2000 people for the AA convention the last 2 days..will do it today
 though after I plant these starts in the garden! Looks like Celeste and
 Rosemarie are cousins on this line as well as Joao..
 Nancy

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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
 From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 Hi Nancy,

 Just checking to see if you've had a chance to send the gedcom file?

 Thank you.

 Margaret

 On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Besotes beso...@succeed.net wrote:

  Nancy, Can I jump in here?  Can you tell me what line of Bettencourts
 you're speaking about?

 Thank you, Robin Borba Besotes

  - Original Message -
 *From:* nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com
  *To:* azores group azores@googlegroups.com
 *Sent:* 2010-04-14 17:03
 *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

 Margaret,
 When Arline sent me the gedcom behind my gggrandmother,Agueda, I printed it
 and it printed not just the names but all the sources.I was as thrilled
 to see the manuscripts and othe internet sites and genealogical sites but
 primarily the unpublished manuscripts which she has copies of most of
 them I'll send you my gedcom for Agueda back to the
 Bettencourts.you'll enjoy what's available for your search! My laptop is
 at the Auditorium, so tomorrow.
 Nancy

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-14 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Margaret,

 

Have you done a great deal of research on your Sao Jorge relatives? This is 
such a treat to have the info Joao sent! 

 

These ancestors that we connect on are behind my GGgrandmother, Agueda Maria da 
Silveira, from Topo.  Arline Silveira actually helped me with her line back to 
Jean de Betencourt in the 1200's. This group has such a wealth of knowledge!

 

Regards,

Nancy
 


Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:44:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy, I don't know much about this but It is worth noting the connection, and 
I am doing that.


Margaret


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:42 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com 
wrote:


Greetings,
 
I did a comparison of my line with yours.
 
  11th generation all of them are mine also..1640,1641,1644 and 1645 who I 
have as Margarida Sousa LeonardesI have her parents as Joao Leonardes and 
Isabel Goncalves
 
   10th generationI also have most of them816, 817, 820, 821, 822, 
823
I have 817 as Beatriz Anes Camacho and 823 as Catarina Anes Pires
 
   9th generation.I have 408, 409,410,411
 
   8th..I have 204 and 205
 
None any later than those that I can see here. Socousins of some sort but I 
find these relationships very difficult to figure out!
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
 

 


Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:54:03 -0400



Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Beverley and Nancy, I look forward to hearing your findings. 


margaret. 


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM, bmmarc...@comcast.net wrote:



Nancy, Margaret,
 
I think these might someway be tied into my ancestors too.  I have most of 
these names in my line...  from Calheta, Sao Jorge.  Also Norte Grande.
 
I'll have to get my cheat sheet out and start checking these names.
 
Beverly



 
 
 
 

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From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com
To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:44:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

Hi Margaret,
 
Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's nice 
to now be able to differentiate between a sailor and a fisherman.
 
These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the 11th 
generation and down..I guess that makes us some kind of cousins since I see 
lots of my ancestors in this chart.. I'll bet several others on the list 
are connected as well!
 
I envy the native speakersI wish I had the lingua!
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean 
 





Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu; 



Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish 
assistance.


Thank you so much, one and all.


Margaret


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Joao,  


Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your gesture in 
providing this chart.  THANK you very much!


Margaret. 





On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes josim...@yahoo.com.br wrote:





Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel 
 
 
First Generation
 
  1. Isabel was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São Jorge.
 
 
 
Second Generation
 
  2. Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes was born c.1694. He married Luíza da 
Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
  3. Luíza da Silveira e Sousa was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Third Generation
 
  4. Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira was born c.1631 in Calheta, ilha 
de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório.
 
  5. Bárbara Gregório was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
  6. Manuel Pereira de Bairros was born c.1668. He married Juliana da Cruz 
on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
  7. Juliana da Cruz was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge.
 
 
 
 
Fourth Generation
 
12. Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS was born c.1640 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
13. Maria Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. She 
died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
14. Mateus Silveira Borges was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb 1698. 
Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa.
 
15. Bárbara de Sousa died before 3 Feb 1698.
 
 
 
Fifth Generation
 
24. Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS was born c.1609. He married Isabel Vieira 
NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
25. Isabel Vieira NETTO was born c.1619.
 
26. Belchior Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. He 
married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-14 Thread Besotes
Nancy, Can I jump in here?  Can you tell me what line of Bettencourts you're 
speaking about?

Thank you, Robin Borba Besotes
  - Original Message - 
  From: nancy jean baptiste 
  To: azores group 
  Sent: 2010-04-14 17:03
  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes


  Margaret,
  When Arline sent me the gedcom behind my gggrandmother,Agueda, I printed it 
and it printed not just the names but all the sources.I was as thrilled to 
see the manuscripts and othe internet sites and genealogical sites but 
primarily the unpublished manuscripts which she has copies of most of them 
I'll send you my gedcom for Agueda back to the Bettencourts.you'll enjoy 
what's available for your search! My laptop is at the Auditorium, so 
tomorrow.
  Nancy
   

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-13 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Greetings,

 

I did a comparison of my line with yours.

 

  11th generation all of them are mine also..1640,1641,1644 and 1645 who I 
have as Margarida Sousa LeonardesI have her parents as Joao Leonardes and 
Isabel Goncalves

 

   10th generationI also have most of them816, 817, 820, 821, 822, 
823

I have 817 as Beatriz Anes Camacho and 823 as Catarina Anes Pires

 

   9th generation.I have 408, 409,410,411

 

   8th..I have 204 and 205

 

None any later than those that I can see here. Socousins of some sort but I 
find these relationships very difficult to figure out!

 

Best regards,

Nancy Jean

 


 


Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:54:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Beverley and Nancy, I look forward to hearing your findings.


margaret. 


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM, bmmarc...@comcast.net wrote:




Nancy, Margaret,

 

I think these might someway be tied into my ancestors too.  I have most of 
these names in my line...  from Calheta, Sao Jorge.  Also Norte Grande.

 

I'll have to get my cheat sheet out and start checking these names.

 

Beverly




 

 

 

 


- Original Message -
From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com
To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:44:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

Hi Margaret,
 
Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's nice 
to now be able to differentiate between a sailor and a fisherman.
 
These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the 11th 
generation and down..I guess that makes us some kind of cousins since I see 
lots of my ancestors in this chart.. I'll bet several others on the list 
are connected as well!
 
I envy the native speakersI wish I had the lingua!
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean 
 








Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu; 



Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish 
assistance.


Thank you so much, one and all.


Margaret


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Joao,  


Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your gesture in 
providing this chart.  THANK you very much!


Margaret. 





On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes josim...@yahoo.com.br wrote:





Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel 
 
 
First Generation
 
  1. Isabel was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São Jorge.
 
 
 
Second Generation
 
  2. Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes was born c.1694. He married Luíza da 
Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
  3. Luíza da Silveira e Sousa was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Third Generation
 
  4. Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira was born c.1631 in Calheta, ilha 
de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório.
 
  5. Bárbara Gregório was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
  6. Manuel Pereira de Bairros was born c.1668. He married Juliana da Cruz 
on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
  7. Juliana da Cruz was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge.
 
 
 
 
Fourth Generation
 
12. Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS was born c.1640 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
13. Maria Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. She 
died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
14. Mateus Silveira Borges was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb 1698. 
Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa.
 
15. Bárbara de Sousa died before 3 Feb 1698.
 
 
 
Fifth Generation
 
24. Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS was born c.1609. He married Isabel Vieira 
NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
25. Isabel Vieira NETTO was born c.1619.
 
26. Belchior Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. He 
married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
27. Joana PEREIRA was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Sixth Generation
 
 
50. Diogo Fernandes PEREIRA was born c.1574. He married Isabel VIEIRA.
 
51. Isabel VIEIRA was born c.1584.
 
52. Domingos Gaspar Fagundes was born c.1588 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, 
ilha de S.Jorge. He married Apolônia Luís.
 
53. Apolônia Luís was born about 1602 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Seventh Generation
 
  100. Brás FERNANDES was born c.1544. He married Isabel PEREIRA.
 
  101. Isabel PEREIRA.
 
  102. Miguel VIEIRA was born c.1554. He married Suzana MANUEL.
 
  103. Suzana MANUEL.
  104. Gaspar João Fagundes was born c.1558 in Ribeira Seca, ilha

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-13 Thread Margaret Vicente
Nancy, I don't know much about this but It is worth noting the connection,
and I am doing that.

Margaret

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:42 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Greetings,

 I did a comparison of my line with yours.

   11th generation all of them are mine also..1640,1641,1644 and 1645
 who I have as Margarida Sousa LeonardesI have her parents as Joao
 Leonardes and Isabel Goncalves

10th generationI also have most of them816, 817, 820, 821, 822,
 823
 I have 817 as Beatriz Anes Camacho and 823 as Catarina Anes Pires

9th generation.I have 408, 409,410,411

8th..I have 204 and 205

 None any later than those that I can see here. Socousins of some sort
 but I find these relationships very difficult to figure out!

 Best regards,
 Nancy Jean



 --
 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:54:03 -0400

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
 From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 Beverley and Nancy, I look forward to hearing your findings.

 margaret.

 On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM, bmmarc...@comcast.net wrote:

  Nancy, Margaret,

 I think these might someway be tied into my ancestors too.  I have most of
 these names in my line...  from Calheta, Sao Jorge.  Also Norte Grande.

 I'll have to get my cheat sheet out and start checking these names.

 Beverly





 - Original Message -
 From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com
 To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:44:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

 Hi Margaret,

 Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's
 nice to now be able to differentiate between a sailor and a fisherman.

 These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the
 11th generation and down..I guess that makes us some kind of cousins
 since I see lots of my ancestors in this chart.. I'll bet several others
 on the list are connected as well!

 I envy the native speakersI wish I had the lingua!

 Best regards,
 Nancy Jean



 --

 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
 From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu;

 Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish
 assistance.

 Thank you so much, one and all.

 Margaret

 On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente 
 margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joao,

 Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your
 gesture in providing this chart.  THANK you very much!

 Margaret.


 On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes josim...@yahoo.com.brwrote:

   *Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel *

 **

 **

 *First Generation*

 **

   1.* Isabel* was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São
 Jorge.





 **

 *Second Generation*

 **

   2.* Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes* was born c.1694. He married Luíza
 da Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.



   3.* Luíza da Silveira e Sousa* was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta,
 ilha de S.Jorge.





 **

 *Third Generation*

 **

   4.* Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira* was born c.1631 in Calheta,
 ilha de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório.



   5.* Bárbara Gregório* was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.



   6.* Manuel Pereira de Bairros* was born c.1668. He married Juliana
 da Cruz on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.







   7.* Juliana da Cruz* was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge.







 **

 *Fourth Generation*

 **

 12.* Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS* was born c.1640 in Calheta,
 ilha de S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta,
 ilha de S.Jorge.



 13.* Maria Luís FAGUNDES* was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 She died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge.



 14.* Mateus Silveira Borges* was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb
 1698. Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa.



 15.* Bárbara de Sousa* died before 3 Feb 1698.





 **

 *Fifth Generation*

 **

 24.* Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS* was born c.1609. He married Isabel
 Vieira NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.







 25.* Isabel Vieira NETTO* was born c.1619.



 26.* Belchior Luís FAGUNDES* was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de
 S.Jorge. He married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.







 27.* Joana PEREIRA* was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.





 **

 *Sixth Generation*

 **



 50.* Diogo Fernandes PEREIRA* was born c.1574. He married Isabel
 VIEIRA.



 51.* Isabel VIEIRA* was born c.1584.



 52.* Domingos Gaspar Fagundes* was born c.1588 in Santiago da Ribeira
 Seca, ilha de S.Jorge. He married Apolônia Luís

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-11 Thread Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva
It is MARIANTE for sure. It means sea man, the one who works in the sea,
sailor, but not fisherman.

 

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] Em nome de
Margaret Vicente
Enviada: sábado, 10 de Abril de 2010 18:54
Para: azores
Assunto: [?? Probable Spam] [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

 

Hello Group,

 

Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and
let me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.

 

I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions
without some of your expert advice.  

 

Thank you.

 

Margaret Vicente

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-11 Thread Karlushko
Dear Ary,
I kindly desagree with you, that letter T, was the way they would write at that 
time
you can even compare the other words written with T and you will understand 
better.
You will notice that there isnt Marianse as a profession at that time, if I am 
not mistaken,
and if there is, I apologize for being wrong
 
My best regards, 


Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, 
Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, 
Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, 
Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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De: aryasan...@uol.com.br aryasan...@uol.com.br
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: Azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sábado, 10 de Abril de 2010, 16:47



 
Hi Margaret,

This is my first message after a couple years of absence from the list!...

Your attachment seems, even to a Brazilian, as :  marianse...
it would be a kind of occupation.

As for the meaning of that (which I do not know...) it could be
a sea worker  (mar means sea) or maybe even a fisherman
(pescador)... But, in any event a man tied to the sea.

That is the best understanding I can take from it and share with you.

It is not a name!

However you didn´t share the year of that record That would be
interesting to know.

Ary Santos
Sao Paulo-Brazil. 




Em 10/04/2010 15:54, Margaret Vicente  margaretvice...@gmail.com  escreveu:
Hello Group, 
Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let 
me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.
I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions 
without some of your expert advice.  
Thank you.
Margaret Vicente
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-11 Thread aryasantos
 
Hi Margaret,There is an error on my yesterday´s message. Sorry.The word written is :  MARIANTE, and not marianse as I stated.As per my Portuguese Encyclopedia  Lello dated  1922 :  MAREANTE : (adjective)  one who "marea" (who sails).    (substantive) seaman., Mareante or mariante means the same and priests would useeither one with the same meaning. However, "mareante " wouldbe the correct spelling.Ary SantosSao Paulo-Brazil 
Em 10/04/2010 15:54, Margaret Vicente  margaretvice...@gmail.com  escreveu:Hello Group,
Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.
I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions without some of your expert advice.  
Thank you.
Margaret Vicente
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-11 Thread aryasantos
Hi Karlushko,You are absolutely correct and I just  sentanother message .Glad that a good encyclopedia and membersof this list  enriched me.Regards,Ary.
Em 11/04/2010 11:56, Karlushko  bremen...@yahoo.com.br  escreveu:




Dear Ary,
I kindly desagree with you, that letter T, was the way they would write at that time
you can even compare the other words written with T and you will understand better.
You will notice that there isnt Marianse as a profession at that time, if I am not mistaken,
and if there is, I apologize for being wrong
 
My best regards, 
Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA--- Em sáb, 10/4/10, aryasan...@uol.com.br escreveu:
De: aryasan...@uol.com.br Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyesPara: azores@googlegroups.comCc: Azores@googlegroups.comData: Sábado, 10 de Abril de 2010, 16:47

 
Hi Margaret,This is my first message after a couple years of absence from the list!...Your attachment seems, even to a Brazilian, as :  "marianse"...it would be a kind of occupation.As for the meaning of that (which I do not know...) it could bea "sea worker"  ("mar" means "sea") or maybe even a fisherman(pescador)... But, in any event a man tied to the sea.That is the best understanding I can take from it and share with you.It is not a name!However you didn´t share the year of that record That would beinteresting to know.Ary SantosSao Paulo-Brazil. 
Em 10/04/2010 15:54, Margaret Vicente  margaretvice...@gmail.com  escreveu:Hello Group,
Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.
I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions without some of your expert advice.  
Thank you.
Margaret Vicente
 
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Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Nett
 o, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fior
 enzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.




 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-11 Thread Karlushko
Here is the interpretation:
 
Isabel, daughter of Sebastiam Teixeira Mariante and his wife Luiza Silveira
from and residents in Calheta, Sao Jorge Island, born in May 19, 1733.
Was Baptized in this Parish in 26 of the same month and year by  Father (a 
priest) 
of this same Parish Joao Teixeira.  God parents:  Antonio de Quadros da 
Silveira , the vicar
and his sister  Francisca Joana da Conceicao, daughter of  Gaspar Teixeira de 
Souza and
his wife Maria dos Anjos de Jesus both from  Velas.
==
Maria, daughter of Sebastiao Teixeira and his wife Luiza Silveira, both from 
Parish Santa Catarina of Calheta, Sao Jorge Island, born in August 8, 1725, 
born in
15 of the same month and year.
God parents, Alferes Manoel de Breves  (..) from this parish and Francisca 
da Luz,
free woman, from Tiago Apostle, Velas of this Island 
===
 
Rita, daughter of Sebastiam Teixeira from this parish of Nossa Senhora da 
Conceicao
of Angra, Terceira Island, and his wife Luiza Silveira from and resident in the 
Parish 
of Santa Catarina, Calheta, Ilha de Sao Jorge, born in  January 5th, 1736, 
baptized in
8th of the same month and year by me Joao Machado Pereira, the vicar, 
and god parents are the vicar and priest  Manoel da silveira Machado from this 
same church
and Maria Santa Silveira daughter of Antonio Alvares Machado and his wife 
Isabel Silveira


 
Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, 
Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, 
Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, 
Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em dom, 11/4/10, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com escreveu:


De: Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Domingo, 11 de Abril de 2010, 13:58


Hi All,


Thank you so much for the very elucidating emails.


Here's the full record as requested for Izabel, where this word shows up and 2 
others of his children for comparison.  
 
Thank you so much everyone.



margaret.


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Karlushko bremen...@yahoo.com.br wrote:






Dear Ary,
I kindly desagree with you, that letter T, was the way they would write at that 
time
you can even compare the other words written with T and you will understand 
better.
You will notice that there isnt Marianse as a profession at that time, if I am 
not mistaken,
and if there is, I apologize for being wrong
 
My best regards, 



Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, 
Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, 
Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, 
Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em sáb, 10/4/10, aryasan...@uol.com.br aryasan...@uol.com.br escreveu:


De: aryasan...@uol.com.br aryasan...@uol.com.br
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: Azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sábado, 10 de Abril de 2010, 16:47






 
Hi Margaret,

This is my first message after a couple years of absence from the list!...

Your attachment seems, even to a Brazilian, as :  marianse...
it would be a kind of occupation.

As for the meaning of that (which I do not know...) it could be
a sea worker  (mar means sea) or maybe even a fisherman
(pescador)... But, in any event a man tied to the sea.

That is the best understanding I can take from it and share with you.

It is not a name!

However you didn´t share the year of that record That would be
interesting to know.

Ary Santos
Sao Paulo-Brazil. 




Em 10/04/2010 15:54, Margaret Vicente  margaretvice...@gmail.com  escreveu:
Hello Group, 
Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let 
me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.
I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions 
without some of your expert advice.  
Thank you.
Margaret Vicente

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-11 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Hi Margaret,

 

Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's nice 
to now be able to differentiate between a sailor and a fisherman.

 

These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the 11th 
generation and down..I guess that makes us some kind of cousins since I see 
lots of my ancestors in this chart.. I'll bet several others on the list 
are connected as well!

 

I envy the native speakersI wish I had the lingua!

 

Best regards,

Nancy Jean 
 


Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu;


Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish 
assistance.


Thank you so much, one and all.


Margaret


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Joao, 


Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your gesture in 
providing this chart.  THANK you very much!


Margaret.





On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes josim...@yahoo.com.br wrote:





Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel 
 
 
First Generation
 
  1. Isabel was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São Jorge.
 
 
 
Second Generation
 
  2. Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes was born c.1694. He married Luíza da 
Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
  3. Luíza da Silveira e Sousa was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Third Generation
 
  4. Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira was born c.1631 in Calheta, ilha 
de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório.
 
  5. Bárbara Gregório was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
  6. Manuel Pereira de Bairros was born c.1668. He married Juliana da Cruz 
on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
  7. Juliana da Cruz was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge.
 
 
 
 
Fourth Generation
 
12. Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS was born c.1640 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
13. Maria Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. She 
died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
14. Mateus Silveira Borges was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb 1698. 
Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa.
 
15. Bárbara de Sousa died before 3 Feb 1698.
 
 
 
Fifth Generation
 
24. Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS was born c.1609. He married Isabel Vieira 
NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
25. Isabel Vieira NETTO was born c.1619.
 
26. Belchior Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. He 
married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
27. Joana PEREIRA was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Sixth Generation
 
 
50. Diogo Fernandes PEREIRA was born c.1574. He married Isabel VIEIRA.
 
51. Isabel VIEIRA was born c.1584.
 
52. Domingos Gaspar Fagundes was born c.1588 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, 
ilha de S.Jorge. He married Apolônia Luís.
 
53. Apolônia Luís was born about 1602 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, ilha de 
S.Jorge.
 
 
 
Seventh Generation
 
  100. Brás FERNANDES was born c.1544. He married Isabel PEREIRA.
 
  101. Isabel PEREIRA.
 
  102. Miguel VIEIRA was born c.1554. He married Suzana MANUEL.
 
  103. Suzana MANUEL.
  104. Gaspar João Fagundes was born c.1558 in Ribeira Seca, ilha de São Jorge. 
He died before 22 Feb 1637. Gaspar married (?) Apolônia Dias.
 
Eighth Generation
 
  204. Vicente Dias VIEIRA was born c.1510. He married Beatriz Gonçalves 
TEIXEIRA.
 
  205. Beatriz Gonçalves TEIXEIRA was born c.1520.
 
  206. Manuel Fernandes d ÁGUEDA married Maria GOMES.
 
  207. Maria GOMES.
 
  208. João Dias FAGUNDES was born about 1523. He married Isabel Afonso de 
VALENÇA.
 
  209. Isabel Afonso de VALENÇA was born about 1533.
 
 
 
 
 
Ninth Generation
 
  408. Álvaro Dias VIEIRA married Iria Afonso de AZEVEDO.
 
  409. Iria Afonso de AZEVEDO.
 
  410. André Gonçalves TEIXEIRA was born c.1490. He married Isabel Pires de 
SOUSA.
 
  411. Isabel Pires de SOUSA was born c.1500.
 
  412. Fernando(?) d' ÁGUEDA.
 
  418. Pedro Eanes de VALENÇA was born c.1504. He married Isabel Casado BARRETO.
 
  419. Isabel Casado BARRETO.
 
 
 
Tenth Generation
 
  816. Diogo Álvares VIEIRA married Beatriz CAMACHO.
 
  817. Beatriz CAMACHO.
 
  820. Jeronimo Gonçalves Teixeira do SOUTOMAIOR was born c.1460. He married 
Luzia DIAS.
 
  821. Luzia DIAS.
 
  822. Pedro Luís de Sousa do BRASIL was born c.1470. He married Catarina Eanes 
PIRES.
 
  823. Catarina Eanes PIRES.
 
  838. Afonso CASADO married Maria Eanes de MEIRELES.
 
  839. Maria Eanes de MEIRELES.
 
 
 
Eleventh Generation
 
1640. Bartolomeu da CUNHA married Catarina TEIXEIRA.
 
1641. Catarina TEIXEIRA.
 
1644. Fernão Luís de SOUSA married Margarida LEONARDES.
 
1645. Margarida LEONARDES

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-11 Thread George Pacheco
mariense is also what they call someone who comes from the Island of santa
Maria
Terceira- Terceirence
S.Miguel- Micaelense

Santa Maria - Mariense

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:44 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Margaret,

 Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's
 nice to now be able to differentiate between a sailor and a fisherman.

 These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the
 11th generation and down..I guess that makes us some kind of cousins
 since I see lots of my ancestors in this chart.. I'll bet several others
 on the list are connected as well!

 I envy the native speakersI wish I had the lingua!

 Best regards,
 Nancy Jean

 --
 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
 From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

  Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu;

 Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish
 assistance.

 Thank you so much, one and all.

 Margaret

 On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente 
 margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joao,

 Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your
 gesture in providing this chart.  THANK you very much!

 Margaret.


 On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes josim...@yahoo.com.brwrote:

   *Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel *

 * *

 * *

 *First Generation*

 * *

   1.* Isabel* was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São
 Jorge.





 * *

 *Second Generation*

 * *

   2.* Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes* was born c.1694. He married Luíza
 da Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.



   3.* Luíza da Silveira e Sousa* was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta,
 ilha de S.Jorge.





 * *

 *Third Generation*

 * *

   4.* Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira* was born c.1631 in Calheta,
 ilha de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório.



   5.* Bárbara Gregório* was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.



   6.* Manuel Pereira de Bairros* was born c.1668. He married Juliana
 da Cruz on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.







   7.* Juliana da Cruz* was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge.







 * *

 *Fourth Generation*

 * *

 12.* Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS* was born c.1640 in Calheta,
 ilha de S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta,
 ilha de S.Jorge.



 13.* Maria Luís FAGUNDES* was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.
 She died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge.



 14.* Mateus Silveira Borges* was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb
 1698. Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa.



 15.* Bárbara de Sousa* died before 3 Feb 1698.





 * *

 *Fifth Generation*

 * *

 24.* Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS* was born c.1609. He married Isabel
 Vieira NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.







 25.* Isabel Vieira NETTO* was born c.1619.



 26.* Belchior Luís FAGUNDES* was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de
 S.Jorge. He married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.







 27.* Joana PEREIRA* was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge.





 * *

 *Sixth Generation*

 * *



 50.* Diogo Fernandes PEREIRA* was born c.1574. He married Isabel
 VIEIRA.



 51.* Isabel VIEIRA* was born c.1584.



 52.* Domingos Gaspar Fagundes* was born c.1588 in Santiago da Ribeira
 Seca, ilha de S.Jorge. He married Apolônia Luís.



 53.* Apolônia Luís* was born about 1602 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca,
 ilha de S.Jorge.





 * *

 *Seventh Generation*

 * *

   100.* Brás FERNANDES* was born c.1544. He married Isabel PEREIRA.



   101.* Isabel PEREIRA*.



   102.* Miguel VIEIRA* was born c.1554. He married Suzana MANUEL.



   103.* Suzana MANUEL*.

   104.* Gaspar João Fagundes* was born c.1558 in Ribeira Seca, ilha de São
 Jorge. He died before 22 Feb 1637. Gaspar married (?) Apolônia Dias.

 * *

 *Eighth Generation*

 * *

   204.* Vicente Dias VIEIRA* was born c.1510. He married Beatriz Gonçalves
 TEIXEIRA.



   205.* Beatriz Gonçalves TEIXEIRA* was born c.1520.



   206.* Manuel Fernandes d ÁGUEDA* married Maria GOMES.



   207.* Maria GOMES*.



   208.* João Dias FAGUNDES* was born about 1523. He married Isabel Afonso
 de VALENÇA.



   209.* Isabel Afonso de VALENÇA* was born about 1533.









 * *

 *Ninth Generation*

 * *

   408.* Álvaro Dias VIEIRA* married Iria Afonso de AZEVEDO.



   409.* Iria Afonso de AZEVEDO*.



   410.* André Gonçalves TEIXEIRA* was born c.1490. He married Isabel Pires
 de SOUSA.



   411.* Isabel Pires de SOUSA* was born c.1500.



   412.* Fernando(?) d' ÁGUEDA*.



   418.* Pedro Eanes de VALENÇA* was born c.1504. He married Isabel Casado
 BARRETO.



   419.* Isabel Casado BARRETO*.





 * *

 *Tenth Generation*

 * *

   816.* Diogo Álvares VIEIRA* married Beatriz CAMACHO

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-11 Thread bmmarcelo


Nancy, Margaret, 



I think these might someway be tied into my ancestors too.  I have most of 
these names in my line...  from Calheta, Sao Jorge.  Also Norte Grande. 



I'll have to get my cheat sheet out and start checking these names. 



Beverly 










- Original Message - 
From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com 
To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:44:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes 

Hi Margaret, 
  
Every time someone posts something like this I learn something new! It's nice 
to now be able to differentiate between a sailor and a fisherman. 
  
These ancestors that Joao brought forth are my ancestors also back at the 11th 
generation and down..I guess that makes us some kind of cousins since I see 
lots of my ancestors in this chart.. I'll bet several others on the list 
are connected as well! 
  
I envy the native speakersI wish I had the lingua! 
  
Best regards, 
Nancy Jean  
  





Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:24:46 -0400 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes 
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com 
To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Rosemarie, Nancy, JR, Ary, Karlushko, Joao e Eliseu; 


Each of your input was an example of this group's cooperation and unselfish 
assistance. 


Thank you so much, one and all. 


Margaret 


On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Margaret Vicente  margaretvice...@gmail.com  
wrote: 


Joao,  


Thank you at times is inadequate to express my appreciation for your gesture in 
providing this chart.  THANK you very much! 


Margaret. 





On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Joao S. Lopes  josim...@yahoo.com.br  wrote: 







Ahnentafel Chart for Isabel 





First Generation 



  1. Isabel was christened on 19 May 1732 in Calheta, ilha de São Jorge. 







Second Generation 



  2. Sebastião Teixeira Fernandes was born c.1694. He married Luíza da 
Silveira e Sousa on 7 Oct 1724 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 



  3. Luíza da Silveira e Sousa was born on 4 Jan 1700 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge. 







Third Generation 



  4. Diogo Fernandes (Ferreira) Teixeira was born c.1631 in Calheta, ilha 
de S.Jorge. He married Bárbara Gregório. 



  5. Bárbara Gregório was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 



  6. Manuel Pereira de Bairros was born c.1668. He married Juliana da Cruz 
on 3 Feb 1698 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 







  7. Juliana da Cruz was born c.1678 in Topo, ilha de São Jorge. 









Fourth Generation 



    12. Sebastião Nunes de Sousa e BAIRROS was born c.1640 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge. He married Maria Luís FAGUNDES on 3 Oct 1667 in Calheta, ilha de 
S.Jorge. 



    13. Maria Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1644 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. She 
died on 4 Feb 1724 in Vila do Topo, ilha de S.Jorge. 



    14. Mateus Silveira Borges was born c.1648. He died before 3 Feb 1698. 
Mateus married Bárbara de Sousa. 



    15. Bárbara de Sousa died before 3 Feb 1698. 







Fifth Generation 



    24. Bartolomeu Nunes de BAIRROS was born c.1609. He married Isabel Vieira 
NETTO on 2 Feb 1639 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 







    25. Isabel Vieira NETTO was born c.1619. 



    26. Belchior Luís FAGUNDES was born c.1617 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. He 
married Joana PEREIRA on 8 Nov 1638 in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 







    27. Joana PEREIRA was born in Calheta, ilha de S.Jorge. 







Sixth Generation 





    50. Diogo Fernandes PEREIRA was born c.1574. He married Isabel VIEIRA. 



    51. Isabel VIEIRA was born c.1584. 



    52. Domingos Gaspar Fagundes was born c.1588 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, 
ilha de S.Jorge. He married Apolônia Luís. 



    53. Apolônia Luís was born about 1602 in Santiago da Ribeira Seca, ilha de 
S.Jorge. 







Seventh Generation 



  100. Brás FERNANDES was born c.1544. He married Isabel PEREIRA. 



  101. Isabel PEREIRA . 



  102. Miguel VIEIRA was born c.1554. He married Suzana MANUEL. 



  103. Suzana MANUEL . 

  104. Gaspar João Fagundes was born c.1558 in Ribeira Seca, ilha de São Jorge. 
He died before 22 Feb 1637. Gaspar married (?) Apolônia Dias. 



Eighth Generation 



  204. Vicente Dias VIEIRA was born c.1510. He married Beatriz Gonçalves 
TEIXEIRA. 



  205. Beatriz Gonçalves TEIXEIRA was born c.1520. 



  206. Manuel Fernandes d ÁGUEDA married Maria GOMES. 



  207. Maria GOMES . 



  208. João Dias FAGUNDES was born about 1523. He married Isabel Afonso de 
VALENÇA. 



  209. Isabel Afonso de VALENÇA was born about 1533. 











Ninth Generation 



  408. Álvaro Dias VIEIRA married Iria Afonso de AZEVEDO. 



  409. Iria Afonso de AZEVEDO . 



  410. André Gonçalves TEIXEIRA was born c.1490. He married Isabel Pires de 
SOUSA. 



  411. Isabel Pires de SOUSA was born c.1500. 



  412. Fernando(?) d' ÁGUEDA . 



  418. Pedro Eanes de VALENÇA was born c.1504. He married Isabel Casado 
BARRETO. 



  419. Isabel

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-10 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci
Margaret, 

Would it be the word for mariner?

Rosemarie 
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  Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:54 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes


  Hello Group,


  Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let 
me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.


  I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions 
without some of your expert advice.  


  Thank you.


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2010-04-10 Thread Margaret Vicente
Rosemarie,

At first glance is a little misleading and that is why I need help because
it clearly has 2 RR's and I read it as marrane and if this is true,  the
ingrained customs and rules I was raised under start making sense.

Thanks for trying, Rosemarie.

margaret.

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  Margaret,

 Would it be the word for mariner?

 Rosemarie
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 Hello Group,

 Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and
 let me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.

 I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions
 without some of your expert advice.

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2010-04-10 Thread nancy jean baptiste

Margaret,

 

It almost looks like marrense.is that a known occupation? Could it be 
like a marrano or new christian?

 

Nancy Jean
 


Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:44:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
From: margaretvice...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Rosemarie, 


At first glance is a little misleading and that is why I need help because it 
clearly has 2 RR's and I read it as marrane and if this is true,  the 
ingrained customs and rules I was raised under start making sense.


Thanks for trying, Rosemarie.


margaret. 


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Margaret, 
 
Would it be the word for mariner?
 
Rosemarie 
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From: Margaret Vicente 
To: azores 
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:54 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

Hello Group, 


Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let 
me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.


I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions 
without some of your expert advice.  


Thank you.


Margaret Vicente

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-10 Thread aryasantos
 
Hi Margaret,This is my first message after a couple years of absence from the list!...Your attachment seems, even to a Brazilian, as :  "marianse"...it would be a kind of occupation.As for the meaning of that (which I do not know...) it could bea "sea worker"  ("mar" means "sea") or maybe even a fisherman(pescador)... But, in any event a man tied to the sea.That is the best understanding I can take from it and share with you.It is not a name!However you didn´t share the year of that record That would beinteresting to know.Ary SantosSao Paulo-Brazil. 
Em 10/04/2010 15:54, Margaret Vicente  margaretvice...@gmail.com  escreveu:Hello Group,
Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.
I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions without some of your expert advice.  
Thank you.
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2010-04-10 Thread Karlushko
Ok, disregard my previews email
Mariner in portuguese is Marinheiro or seaman etc


Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
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Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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De: Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@redshift.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sábado, 10 de Abril de 2010, 15:15





Margaret, 
 
Would it be the word for mariner?
 
Rosemarie 
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From: Margaret Vicente 
To: azores 
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:54 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

Hello Group, 


Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let 
me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.


I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions 
without some of your expert advice.  


Thank you.


Margaret Vicente
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-10 Thread Karlushko
mariner, in portuguese, marinheiro, man that works on the deck of a ship


Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
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Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, 
Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, 
Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, 
Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em sáb, 10/4/10, Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@redshift.com escreveu:


De: Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@redshift.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sábado, 10 de Abril de 2010, 15:15





Margaret, 
 
Would it be the word for mariner?
 
Rosemarie 
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From: Margaret Vicente 
To: azores 
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:54 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

Hello Group, 


Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let 
me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.


I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions 
without some of your expert advice.  


Thank you.


Margaret Vicente
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes

2010-04-10 Thread Karlushko
For sure it is MARIANTE, written in old portuguese. Now adays its Mareante, the 
one that
knows how to sail


Karlushko - Itajai/SC - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias,  Dutra,  Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, 
Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, 
Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, 
Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, 
Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, 
Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse,
Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em sáb, 10/4/10, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com escreveu:


De: Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need another set of eyes
Para: azores Azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sábado, 10 de Abril de 2010, 14:54


Hello Group,


Could someone please take a look at the word after Sebastiam Teyxeira and let 
me know what that means?  He is my 6th GGfather on my paternal side.


I think I know what it might mean but I don't wish to draw any conclusions 
without some of your expert advice.  


Thank you.


Margaret Vicente
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