Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] name help
Liz, although people of various nationalities can be found in Portugal and its dominions - as with other countries; having said that, *no, DuPont is not a Portuguese surname. *The Portuguese equivalent of DuPont is da Ponte. I have to agree with John, in that, if a person of Portuguese extraction is using the surname Pine then he is most likely to have anglicized the surname Pinheiro, which literally translates to Pine. Beyond that, both Cheri and I share a few Portuguese ancestors who had Pine *added* to their traditional Mello surname. Their numbers however, would few and far between. On Monday, July 28, 2014 10:36:47 PM UTC-4, Lizmig wrote: Hi John Yes I did look under that first. Now today I came across another possibility. DuPont??? Is that a Portuguese name Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:02 PM, John Vasconcelos gfsj...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Another possibility might be Pinheiro (which means pine tree in Portuguese). When I grew up in Fresno there was a local undertaker Art Pine who did a lot of business with the Portuguese community and his real last name was Pinheiro John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hello All, So I've been searching for my daughters grandmother under the wrong name. But I need help now with the correct name. I was just told that it was not Pine but Pont. That's all I was told. They had no idea how to spell it. So would it be Pont or Ponte? Any suggestions at all. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Yeah, it's compounded: Mello Piné. Not just plain Piné. They are not my direct ancestors, but cousins of some sort. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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PINÉ not PINE!!! PINÉ is the portuguese word for day “thief” (The Milhafre bird is a day “thief”. Hunts on the day light). The word PINÉ (not pine) also means brasilian plant tiritica (Tinunculus sparvernis). This word is of “brasilian” usage. The ones who carry this word as a surname most likely had it because they had been immigrated in Brasil or… :) Please be aware of the diacritics. In your ancestors language it changes the whole sense of a little word !!! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva “Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri Mello Enviada: terça-feira, 29 de Julho de 2014 07:53 Para: Azores Genealogy Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] name help Yeah, it's compounded: Mello Piné. Not just plain Piné. They are not my direct ancestors, but cousins of some sort. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Eliseu, I don't know that Dano types with diacritics. I know he meant Piné and not Pine (as in the tree). Interesting point about the Piné name. As far as I know (in my research) the Mello Pinés stayed in Ribeira Quente until they left for America. I don't know of any that went to Brasil and back to São Miguel, but I haven't researched every single one of them either. As far as I can tell, we Mellos started to take over the freguesia so they started compounding the surname or adding an alcunha to differentiate themselves from one another (wy too many Manuel de Mellos in that freguesia!) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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I kinda figured that it wasn't. Guess I'll just keep on lookin'. Thank you On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: Liz, although people of various nationalities can be found in Portugal and its dominions - as with other countries; having said that, *no, DuPont is not a Portuguese surname. *The Portuguese equivalent of DuPont is da Ponte. I have to agree with John, in that, if a person of Portuguese extraction is using the surname Pine then he is most likely to have anglicized the surname Pinheiro, which literally translates to Pine. Beyond that, both Cheri and I share a few Portuguese ancestors who had Pine *added* to their traditional Mello surname. Their numbers however, would few and far between. On Monday, July 28, 2014 10:36:47 PM UTC-4, Lizmig wrote: Hi John Yes I did look under that first. Now today I came across another possibility. DuPont??? Is that a Portuguese name Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:02 PM, John Vasconcelos gfsj...@gmail.com wrote: Another possibility might be Pinheiro (which means pine tree in Portuguese). When I grew up in Fresno there was a local undertaker Art Pine who did a lot of business with the Portuguese community and his real last name was Pinheiro John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, So I've been searching for my daughters grandmother under the wrong name. But I need help now with the correct name. I was just told that it was not Pine but Pont. That's all I was told. They had no idea how to spell it. So would it be Pont or Ponte? Any suggestions at all. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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I have several MELLO PINE relatives in California. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Migliori To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] name help I kinda figured that it wasn't. Guess I'll just keep on lookin'. Thank you On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: Liz, although people of various nationalities can be found in Portugal and its dominions - as with other countries; having said that, no, DuPont is not a Portuguese surname. The Portuguese equivalent of DuPont is da Ponte. I have to agree with John, in that, if a person of Portuguese extraction is using the surname Pine then he is most likely to have anglicized the surname Pinheiro, which literally translates to Pine. Beyond that, both Cheri and I share a few Portuguese ancestors who had Pine added to their traditional Mello surname. Their numbers however, would few and far between. On Monday, July 28, 2014 10:36:47 PM UTC-4, Lizmig wrote: Hi John Yes I did look under that first. Now today I came across another possibility. DuPont??? Is that a Portuguese name Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:02 PM, John Vasconcelos gfsj...@gmail.com wrote: Another possibility might be Pinheiro (which means pine tree in Portuguese). When I grew up in Fresno there was a local undertaker Art Pine who did a lot of business with the Portuguese community and his real last name was Pinheiro John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, So I've been searching for my daughters grandmother under the wrong name. But I need help now with the correct name. I was just told that it was not Pine but Pont. That's all I was told. They had no idea how to spell it. So would it be Pont or Ponte? Any suggestions at all. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http
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You read me right, Cheri, I knew you would... Eliseu: I don't use a Portuguese keyboard, although, I do have that option. Its just too much trouble switching back and forth - considering that *diacritics *are a European fetish, seldom used in English. I do use them, religiously, however, in my database. ~~ On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:01:41 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Eliseu, I don't know that Dano types with diacritics. I know he meant Piné and not Pine (as in the tree). Interesting point about the Piné name. As far as I know (in my research) the Mello Pinés stayed in Ribeira Quente until they left for America. I don't know of any that went to Brasil and back to São Miguel, but I haven't researched every single one of them either. As far as I can tell, we Mellos started to take over the freguesia so they started compounding the surname or adding an alcunha to differentiate themselves from one another (wy too many Manuel de Mellos in that freguesia!) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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I don't use the Portuguese keyboard either. I've memorized the codes. é is alt 130. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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I believe the proper Portuguese spelling is Ponte, but it does sound somewhat like Pont. Cheri On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, So I've been searching for my daughters grandmother under the wrong name. But I need help now with the correct name. I was just told that it was not Pine but Pont. That's all I was told. They had no idea how to spell it. So would it be Pont or Ponte? Any suggestions at all. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Another possibility might be Pinheiro (which means pine tree in Portuguese). When I grew up in Fresno there was a local undertaker Art Pine who did a lot of business with the Portuguese community and his real last name was Pinheiro John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, So I've been searching for my daughters grandmother under the wrong name. But I need help now with the correct name. I was just told that it was not Pine but Pont. That's all I was told. They had no idea how to spell it. So would it be Pont or Ponte? Any suggestions at all. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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thanks Cheri. I'll give it another try Liz On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the proper Portuguese spelling is Ponte, but it does sound somewhat like Pont. Cheri On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, So I've been searching for my daughters grandmother under the wrong name. But I need help now with the correct name. I was just told that it was not Pine but Pont. That's all I was told. They had no idea how to spell it. So would it be Pont or Ponte? Any suggestions at all. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Hi John Yes I did look under that first. Now today I came across another possibility. DuPont??? Is that a Portuguese name Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:02 PM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: Another possibility might be Pinheiro (which means pine tree in Portuguese). When I grew up in Fresno there was a local undertaker Art Pine who did a lot of business with the Portuguese community and his real last name was Pinheiro John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, So I've been searching for my daughters grandmother under the wrong name. But I need help now with the correct name. I was just told that it was not Pine but Pont. That's all I was told. They had no idea how to spell it. So would it be Pont or Ponte? Any suggestions at all. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Hi Manny, It sure looks like Joao to me but you're right that it looks a bit like Goas.hopefully someone else will weigh in for you! This is hard writing to read! Nancy Jean (P.S. I've looked at your gedcom several timesshould be easy to find with you being 2nd -4th cousin but I can't figure it out yet!) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:33:30 -0700 From: kambb...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help Hello, I hope someone here could offer some help with the father's last name abbreviation for the marriage. What I read from the marriage is: Pedro de Faria son of Pedro [Joao/Goas] and his wife Maria Pereira. I'm not sure is the last name is an abbreviation or just Joao. The ancestor is Alferes Pedro de Faria (b. ~1729 d. 18-Apr-1784) married to Rita Maria Andrade. I found a Pedro born on 17/19 Jan 1729 son of Pedro Goncalves(z) and Maria de Freitas which falls within his birth range however there is a discrepancy with the parents names. It is possible that the father is Pedro Joao Goncalves and the mother Maria [Pereira de Freitas/de Freitas Pereira]. Pedro's birth, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734_item1/P99.html Pedro and Rita marriage, left page tophttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772_item1/P77.html (Alferes) Pedro's death, left page bottomhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785_item1/P185.html Thank you, Manny -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help
It's Joao. See the accent above Joao in the marriage record. That's the way the priest did his accents. It is identical the Roiz for Rodrigues. And note that J is identical to the J in Jose, in the record below. There is an name Goas or Gois or Goias, etc, but this looks like Joao, Very clear. His full name is likely Pedro Joao Faria JR On Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:53:00 PM UTC-4, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Hi Manny, It sure looks like Joao to me but you're right that it looks a bit like Goas.hopefully someone else will weigh in for you! This is hard writing to read! Nancy Jean (P.S. I've looked at your gedcom several timesshould be easy to find with you being 2nd -4th cousin but I can't figure it out yet!) -- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:33:30 -0700 From: kamb...@gmail.com javascript: To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help Hello, I hope someone here could offer some help with the father's last name abbreviation for the marriage. What I read from the marriage is: Pedro de Faria son of Pedro [Joao/Goas] and his wife Maria Pereira. I'm not sure is the last name is an abbreviation or just Joao. The ancestor is Alferes Pedro de Faria (b. ~1729 d. 18-Apr-1784) married to Rita Maria Andrade. I found a Pedro born on 17/19 Jan 1729 son of Pedro Goncalves(z) and Maria de Freitas which falls within his birth range however there is a discrepancy with the parents names. It is possible that the father is Pedro Joao Goncalves and the mother Maria [Pereira de Freitas/de Freitas Pereira]. Pedro's birth, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734_item1/P99.html Pedro and Rita marriage, left page top http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772_item1/P77.html (Alferes) Pedro's death, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785_item1/P185.html Thank you, Manny -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help
It's Joao. See the accent above Joao in the marriage record. That's the way the priest did his accents. It is identical the Roiz for Rodrigues. And note that J is identical to the J in Jose, in the record below. There is an name Goas or Gois or Goias, etc, but this looks like Joao, Very clear. JR On Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:53:00 PM UTC-4, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Hi Manny, It sure looks like Joao to me but you're right that it looks a bit like Goas.hopefully someone else will weigh in for you! This is hard writing to read! Nancy Jean (P.S. I've looked at your gedcom several timesshould be easy to find with you being 2nd -4th cousin but I can't figure it out yet!) -- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:33:30 -0700 From: kamb...@gmail.com javascript: To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help Hello, I hope someone here could offer some help with the father's last name abbreviation for the marriage. What I read from the marriage is: Pedro de Faria son of Pedro [Joao/Goas] and his wife Maria Pereira. I'm not sure is the last name is an abbreviation or just Joao. The ancestor is Alferes Pedro de Faria (b. ~1729 d. 18-Apr-1784) married to Rita Maria Andrade. I found a Pedro born on 17/19 Jan 1729 son of Pedro Goncalves(z) and Maria de Freitas which falls within his birth range however there is a discrepancy with the parents names. It is possible that the father is Pedro Joao Goncalves and the mother Maria [Pereira de Freitas/de Freitas Pereira]. Pedro's birth, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734_item1/P99.html Pedro and Rita marriage, left page top http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772_item1/P77.html (Alferes) Pedro's death, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785_item1/P185.html Thank you, Manny -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help
I don't see the discrepancy. Pedro Joao Gonsalves could also use Faria alternately with Gonsalves, or the name may have come from his wife, Maria Pereira. Note that the godparent, Joao Pereira da Costa may be related to Maria Pereira. If there are no other possible matches, this is likely the person you want. Better still, make your search easy and look for the marriage of the parents of Pedro Joao and Maria Pereira.and Manuel de Andrade Miranda and Maria Roiz. It could save you a lot of work and reveal which family uses the Faria name. JR On Sunday, April 27, 2014 6:12:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: It's Joao. See the accent above Joao in the marriage record. That's the way the priest did his accents. It is identical the Roiz for Rodrigues. And note that J is identical to the J in Jose, in the record below. There is an name Goas or Gois or Goias, etc, but this looks like Joao, Very clear. JR On Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:53:00 PM UTC-4, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Hi Manny, It sure looks like Joao to me but you're right that it looks a bit like Goas.hopefully someone else will weigh in for you! This is hard writing to read! Nancy Jean (P.S. I've looked at your gedcom several timesshould be easy to find with you being 2nd -4th cousin but I can't figure it out yet!) -- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:33:30 -0700 From: kamb...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help Hello, I hope someone here could offer some help with the father's last name abbreviation for the marriage. What I read from the marriage is: Pedro de Faria son of Pedro [Joao/Goas] and his wife Maria Pereira. I'm not sure is the last name is an abbreviation or just Joao. The ancestor is Alferes Pedro de Faria (b. ~1729 d. 18-Apr-1784) married to Rita Maria Andrade. I found a Pedro born on 17/19 Jan 1729 son of Pedro Goncalves(z) and Maria de Freitas which falls within his birth range however there is a discrepancy with the parents names. It is possible that the father is Pedro Joao Goncalves and the mother Maria [Pereira de Freitas/de Freitas Pereira]. Pedro's birth, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734_item1/P99.html Pedro and Rita marriage, left page top http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772_item1/P77.html (Alferes) Pedro's death, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785_item1/P185.html Thank you, Manny -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help
I don't see the discrepancy. Pedro Joao Gonsalves could also use Faria alternately with Gonsalves, or the name may have come from his wife, Maria Pereira. Note that the godparent, Joao Pereira da Costa may be related to Maria Pereira. If there are no other possible matches, this is likely the person you want. The same holds for Maria Pereira vs Maria de Freitas. Better still, make your search easy and look for the marriage of the parents of Pedro Joao and Maria Pereira.and Manuel de Andrade Miranda and Maria Roiz. It could save you a lot of work and reveal which family uses the Faria name. JR On Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:53:00 PM UTC-4, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Hi Manny, It sure looks like Joao to me but you're right that it looks a bit like Goas.hopefully someone else will weigh in for you! This is hard writing to read! Nancy Jean (P.S. I've looked at your gedcom several timesshould be easy to find with you being 2nd -4th cousin but I can't figure it out yet!) -- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 07:33:30 -0700 From: kamb...@gmail.com javascript: To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name help Hello, I hope someone here could offer some help with the father's last name abbreviation for the marriage. What I read from the marriage is: Pedro de Faria son of Pedro [Joao/Goas] and his wife Maria Pereira. I'm not sure is the last name is an abbreviation or just Joao. The ancestor is Alferes Pedro de Faria (b. ~1729 d. 18-Apr-1784) married to Rita Maria Andrade. I found a Pedro born on 17/19 Jan 1729 son of Pedro Goncalves(z) and Maria de Freitas which falls within his birth range however there is a discrepancy with the parents names. It is possible that the father is Pedro Joao Goncalves and the mother Maria [Pereira de Freitas/de Freitas Pereira]. Pedro's birth, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734/PIC-MD-MADALENA-B-1725-1734_item1/P99.html Pedro and Rita marriage, left page top http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772/PIC-MD-MADALENA-C-1748-1772_item1/P77.html (Alferes) Pedro's death, left page bottom http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1758-1785_item1/P185.html Thank you, Manny -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
