Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

After reading this response from Rick, given that Pico is in the Atlantic 
and Hawaii in the Pacific, and since I know that my ggf  sailed into and 
out of Boston, I think they probably were either going to or from Boston 
when he became ill.  Also, when people died at sea, didn't they bury them 
at sea?  If so, that would mean that he died after reaching Hawaii, 
assuming all the info is right and he is buried there. Still not sure what 
type of ship as one relative said he was captain of a passenger ship but 
most said whaling.  I assume that is whale oil and other products.  Need  
to do more research on the routes they followed. 

Thx Rick for the clarification.  Lots more to do.  And thx to everyone for 
their help.  I now have more leads to follow.

Judy


On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-8, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:

> *Most likely the ship originated at another port or stopped at another 
> port before going on to Hawaii and is listed under that port.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Shirley Allegre
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 2, 2017 3:37 PM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>  
>
> I have the ships that arrived in Hawaii, to 1911.  None of them were from 
> Pico.  Unfortunately the ships' lists do not list the captain of the ship.
>
> I doubt if this is of any help to you.
>
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* Judy Thompson  
>
> *To:* Azores Genealogy  
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 9:20 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>  
>
> Hi Shirley,
>
>  
>
> Thx for your offer.  Let me clarify the circumstances further.  He was not 
> a passenger and did not live in Hawaii.  According to relatives here and in 
> Azores he was captain of the ship and was either going to or from Azores 
> when he became ill and either died on board or after they docked in Hawaii 
> and was then buried in Hawaii.  Further complicating research is there is 
> another person, a relative, with exactly the same name and also a ship's 
> captain.  
>
>  
>
> Here are the details:  Manuel Pereira Domingos, born 1 June 1843 in 
> Ribeiro do Meio and lived in freguesia of Lajes on Pico.  Assumption is 
> that ship was a whaler but not confirmed.  All agree he is known to have 
> sailed in and out of Boston regularly.  Have narrowed down his death to 
> between 1903 and 1923.  The other Manuel Pereira Domingos was born in Lajes 
> on 3 Dec 1867 and immigrated to Massachusetts and also died there.
>
>  
>
> If you can help that would be great but I understand if you can't.  I'm 
> not sure it's doable but thx again for offering.  I'm still trying to find 
> the consulate lists on family search.
>
>  
>
> Judy
>
>  Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:37:30 PM UTC-8, Shirley Allegre wrote:
>
> Who are you looking for?  I might be able to help you.   Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* IslandRoutes 
>
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>  
>
>
> Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese 
> Consulate logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are 
> called)  When the ships came into port, each passenger and family group was 
> processed.  If a person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate 
> logs.  I am not sure if they note people who were ill. 
>
>  
>
> The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think 
> they are catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.
>
>  
>
> I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.
>
>  
>
> As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.  
> If you find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may 
> be possible to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.
>
>  
>
> Melody 
>
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote: 
>
> Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials in 
> Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
> supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
> port in Hawaii and he was buried there or 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Cheri Mello]

The only way to get to Hawaii on a passenger ship was to leave from Ponta
Delgada on Sao Miguel island in the Azores. If you lived on a different
island, you had to get to Sao Miguel. Ships also left from Funchal on
Madeira. That is why Hawaii has so many from those 2 islands.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Most likely the ship originated at another port or stopped at another
> port before going on to Hawaii and is listed under that port.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Shirley Allegre
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 2, 2017 3:37 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>
>
> I have the ships that arrived in Hawaii, to 1911.  None of them were from
> Pico.  Unfortunately the ships' lists do not list the captain of the ship.
>
> I doubt if this is of any help to you.
>
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Judy Thompson <judyte...@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 9:20 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>
>
> Hi Shirley,
>
>
>
> Thx for your offer.  Let me clarify the circumstances further.  He was not
> a passenger and did not live in Hawaii.  According to relatives here and in
> Azores he was captain of the ship and was either going to or from Azores
> when he became ill and either died on board or after they docked in Hawaii
> and was then buried in Hawaii.  Further complicating research is there is
> another person, a relative, with exactly the same name and also a ship's
> captain.
>
>
>
> Here are the details:  Manuel Pereira Domingos, born 1 June 1843 in
> Ribeiro do Meio and lived in freguesia of Lajes on Pico.  Assumption is
> that ship was a whaler but not confirmed.  All agree he is known to have
> sailed in and out of Boston regularly.  Have narrowed down his death to
> between 1903 and 1923.  The other Manuel Pereira Domingos was born in Lajes
> on 3 Dec 1867 and immigrated to Massachusetts and also died there.
>
>
>
> If you can help that would be great but I understand if you can't.  I'm
> not sure it's doable but thx again for offering.  I'm still trying to find
> the consulate lists on family search.
>
>
>
> Judy
>
>  Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:37:30 PM UTC-8, Shirley Allegre wrote:
>
> Who are you looking for?  I might be able to help you.   Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* IslandRoutes
>
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>
>
>
> Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese
> Consulate logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are
> called)  When the ships came into port, each passenger and family group was
> processed.  If a person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate
> logs.  I am not sure if they note people who were ill.
>
>
>
> The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think
> they are catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.
>
>
>
> I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.
>
>
>
> As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.
> If you find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may
> be possible to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.
>
>
>
> Melody
>
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote:
>
> Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials in
> Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is
> supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into
> port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then
> died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.
>
> Thx.
>
>
>
> Judy
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Most likely the ship originated at another port or stopped at another port 
before going on to Hawaii and is listed under that port.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 3:37 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

 

I have the ships that arrived in Hawaii, to 1911.  None of them were from Pico. 
 Unfortunately the ships' lists do not list the captain of the ship.

I doubt if this is of any help to you.

Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 

From: Judy Thompson <mailto:judyte...@gmail.com>  

To: Azores Genealogy <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

 

Hi Shirley,

 

Thx for your offer.  Let me clarify the circumstances further.  He was not a 
passenger and did not live in Hawaii.  According to relatives here and in 
Azores he was captain of the ship and was either going to or from Azores when 
he became ill and either died on board or after they docked in Hawaii and was 
then buried in Hawaii.  Further complicating research is there is another 
person, a relative, with exactly the same name and also a ship's captain.  

 

Here are the details:  Manuel Pereira Domingos, born 1 June 1843 in Ribeiro do 
Meio and lived in freguesia of Lajes on Pico.  Assumption is that ship was a 
whaler but not confirmed.  All agree he is known to have sailed in and out of 
Boston regularly.  Have narrowed down his death to between 1903 and 1923.  The 
other Manuel Pereira Domingos was born in Lajes on 3 Dec 1867 and immigrated to 
Massachusetts and also died there.

 

If you can help that would be great but I understand if you can't.  I'm not 
sure it's doable but thx again for offering.  I'm still trying to find the 
consulate lists on family search.

 

Judy

 Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:37:30 PM UTC-8, Shirley Allegre wrote:

Who are you looking for?  I might be able to help you.   Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 

From: IslandRoutes   

To: Azores Genealogy   

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:35 PM

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

 


Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese Consulate 
logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are called)  When the 
ships came into port, each passenger and family group was processed.  If a 
person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate logs.  I am not sure if 
they note people who were ill. 

 

The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think they are 
catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.

 

I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.

 

As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.  If you 
find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may be possible 
to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.

 

Melody 


On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote: 

Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials in 
Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  

Thx.

 

Judy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Shirley Allegre]

I have the ships that arrived in Hawaii, to 1911.  None of them were from Pico. 
 Unfortunately the ships' lists do not list the captain of the ship.
I doubt if this is of any help to you.
Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Judy Thompson 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 9:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials


  Hi Shirley,


  Thx for your offer.  Let me clarify the circumstances further.  He was not a 
passenger and did not live in Hawaii.  According to relatives here and in 
Azores he was captain of the ship and was either going to or from Azores when 
he became ill and either died on board or after they docked in Hawaii and was 
then buried in Hawaii.  Further complicating research is there is another 
person, a relative, with exactly the same name and also a ship's captain.  


  Here are the details:  Manuel Pereira Domingos, born 1 June 1843 in Ribeiro 
do Meio and lived in freguesia of Lajes on Pico.  Assumption is that ship was a 
whaler but not confirmed.  All agree he is known to have sailed in and out of 
Boston regularly.  Have narrowed down his death to between 1903 and 1923.  The 
other Manuel Pereira Domingos was born in Lajes on 3 Dec 1867 and immigrated to 
Massachusetts and also died there.


  If you can help that would be great but I understand if you can't.  I'm not 
sure it's doable but thx again for offering.  I'm still trying to find the 
consulate lists on family search.


  Judy

   Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:37:30 PM UTC-8, Shirley Allegre wrote:
Who are you looking for?  I might be able to help you.   Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: IslandRoutes 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:35 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials



  Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese 
Consulate logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are called) 
 When the ships came into port, each passenger and family group was processed.  
If a person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate logs.  I am not 
sure if they note people who were ill. 


  The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think 
they are catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.


  I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.



  As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.  
If you find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may be 
possible to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.


  Melody 

  On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote: 
Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials 
in Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  
Thx.


Judy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

Hi E,

I had looked at the whaling museum crewlist several years ago and still 
don't see a match there but will be checking into the other list of whaling 
related websites you sent.  Thx E.

Judy


On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:48:34 AM UTC-8, "E" Sharp wrote:

> Judy,
>
> Have you tried this site to see if he and his ship are listed there:
>
> https://www.whalingmuseum.org/online_exhibits/crewlist/
>
> 
>
>1. 
>
> 
>2. 
>
> 
>
>
> "E"
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

["E" Sharp]

Judy,

Have you tried this site to see if he and his ship are listed there:

https://www.whalingmuseum.org/online_exhibits/crewlist/


   1.
   

   2.
   



"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

Hi Shirley,

Thx for your offer.  Let me clarify the circumstances further.  He was not 
a passenger and did not live in Hawaii.  According to relatives here and in 
Azores he was captain of the ship and was either going to or from Azores 
when he became ill and either died on board or after they docked in Hawaii 
and was then buried in Hawaii.  Further complicating research is there is 
another person, a relative, with exactly the same name and also a ship's 
captain.  

Here are the details:  Manuel Pereira Domingos, born 1 June 1843 in Ribeiro 
do Meio and lived in freguesia of Lajes on Pico.  Assumption is that ship 
was a whaler but not confirmed.  All agree he is known to have sailed in 
and out of Boston regularly.  Have narrowed down his death to between 1903 
and 1923.  The other Manuel Pereira Domingos was born in Lajes on 3 Dec 
1867 and immigrated to Massachusetts and also died there.

If you can help that would be great but I understand if you can't.  I'm not 
sure it's doable but thx again for offering.  I'm still trying to find the 
consulate lists on family search.

Judy

 Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:37:30 PM UTC-8, Shirley Allegre wrote:

> Who are you looking for?  I might be able to help you.   Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
> *From:* IslandRoutes  
> *To:* Azores Genealogy  
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:35 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>
> Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese 
> Consulate logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are 
> called)  When the ships came into port, each passenger and family group was 
> processed.  If a person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate 
> logs.  I am not sure if they note people who were ill. 
>
> The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think 
> they are catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.
>
> I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.
>
> As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.  
> If you find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may 
> be possible to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.
>
> Melody 
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote: 
>>
>> Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials 
>> in Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
>> supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
>> port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
>> died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  
>> Thx.
>>
>> Judy
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Shirley Allegre]

Who are you looking for?  I might be able to help you.   Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: IslandRoutes 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:35 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials



  Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese Consulate 
logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are called)  When the 
ships came into port, each passenger and family group was processed.  If a 
person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate logs.  I am not sure if 
they note people who were ill.


  The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think they 
are catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.


  I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.



  As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.  If 
you find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may be 
possible to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.


  Melody 

  On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote:
Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials in 
Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  
Thx.


Judy

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