[backstage] A couple of neat things recently

2006-11-16 Thread Ian Forrester
Hi All,

I've finally made it back from the north of England. Had a very good time in 
Newcastle and Leeds.

But I was made aware of two nice technologies which might be useful for 
Backstage Prototypes in the future.

First up is Comet which is basically a server push without any client 
interaction. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(programming)

And the second one is Adobe's Apollo. Which is a cross-OS runtime that allows 
developers to leverage their existing web development skills (Flash, Flex, 
HTML, Ajax) to build and deploy desktop Rich Internet Apps. Although this 
sounds a lot like XulRunner, it might worth checking out because its more like 
a massive widget engine.
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo

Both are bookmarked under backstagebbc - http://del.icio.us/backstagebbc

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Re: [backstage] Web API issue with Radio Four?

2006-11-16 Thread Andrew McParland
Hi Pete,

 Indeed. Is there any sign of this service moving from prototype/beta to
 something more/less? 

Good question.  I've talked to a few people a month or so ago about a
properly supported public facing API to our schedule data.  The summary is
that there is a desire to do it, but there is no definite timescale (yet).

 On the particular issue of streams it fascinates me that there seem to be
 so many - I presume the feeds listed by the API are somehow different from
 the main site feeds (Radio 1 has been down for quite a while now).

This is easier.  The API was set up a while ago and we entered the streams
as they stood at the time.  Due to us mainly using the data and multicast
streams, we haven't tracked the changes in the unicast streams.  Sorry.  So
do let us know when you find things going wrong, we're not always aware of
them.  When I get a chance I'll update the streams.

Cheers,

Andrew
BBC Research

On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 02:46:27PM -, Pete Cole wrote:
 Hi Andrew,
 
  This is the fun with experimental prototypes, eh?
 
 
 On the particular issue of streams it fascinates me that there seem to be so
 many - I presume the feeds listed by the API are somehow different from the
 main site feeds (Radio 1 has been down for quite a while now).
 
 Pete.
 
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  To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
  Subject: Re: [backstage] Web API issue with Radio Four?
  
  Hi Pete,
  
  You're right, the problem with the API (and backstage 
  TV-Anytime files) missing certain days of Radio 4 has now been fixed.
  
  Thanks for the report on the streams, there does seem to be a 
  problem - I'll investigate.
  
  This is the fun with experimental prototypes, eh?
  
  Andrew
  BBC Research
  
  On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 02:49:52PM -, Pete Cole wrote:
   Hi,
   
   This (Radio Four listing) problem seems to have gone away, 
  but some of 
   the real audio streams listed by the API don't seem to work 
  (they give 
   the ever helpful 'General Error'). I haven't checked 'em all, but 
   radio 1,2,3 and 4 seem 'dead' but 5 live is OK.
   
   Pete Cole.
   
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McParland
Sent: 14 November 2006 10:03
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Web API issue with Radio Four?

Hi Mario,

Thanks for reporting this.  I'll investigate further.

Andrew
BBC Research

On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:15:29PM +, Mario Menti wrote:
 Hi - there seems to be a problem with the Web API and Radio
Four data
 at the
 moment:
 
 Try
 

  http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/bbc.schedule.getProgrammes
.h
 tmland select Radio Four - I get  Code 152, no matches
found. Other
 radio and TV channels seem to be OK.
 
 Probably just temorary, but thought I'd mention it anyway..
 
 Cheers,
 Mario.
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Re: [backstage] A couple of neat things recently

2006-11-16 Thread Gareth Rodger

Hi Ian,

Adobe's been (rather silently) doing the odd live online conference  
for future Apollo developers. Keep an eye out on Adobe's events page.  
The next one is scheduled for Nov 28th:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm? 
event=detailid=648909loc=en_us


I must admit, the quality and lack of problems in the previous  
presentation was surprising considering the mix of slides, live voip,  
live screencasts and live QA.


Anyone here attending MiniCamp tomorrow?

P.S. I'm trying to transfer this list to my other mail account but  
the delay on the manual subscriber approval has been a few days -  
broke or busy?


Regards,

Gareth Rodger

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On 16 Nov 2006, at 12:22, Ian Forrester wrote:


Hi All,

I've finally made it back from the north of England. Had a very  
good time in Newcastle and Leeds.


But I was made aware of two nice technologies which might be useful  
for Backstage Prototypes in the future.


First up is Comet which is basically a server push without any  
client interaction. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(programming)


And the second one is Adobe's Apollo. Which is a cross-OS runtime  
that allows developers to leverage their existing web development  
skills (Flash, Flex, HTML, Ajax) to build and deploy desktop Rich  
Internet Apps. Although this sounds a lot like XulRunner, it might  
worth checking out because its more like a massive widget engine.

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo

Both are bookmarked under backstagebbc - http://del.icio.us/ 
backstagebbc


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[backstage] Yet another traffic site

2006-11-16 Thread Alistair

Hello all,

Came across this site by accident. Don't see it mentioned in the 
prototypes. Uses the Microsoft map.


http://www.trafficeye.co.uk/

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RE: [backstage] Web API issue with Radio Four?

2006-11-16 Thread Pete Cole
Hi Andrew,

 When I get a chance I'll update the streams.

If you could, I'll be grateful - the widget competition winner is a rather
useless without them and whilst it may not be overloading your servers I
know there are (were) a few people using it regularly.

 Due to us mainly using the data and multicast streams,
 we haven't tracked the changes in the unicast streams.

So multi-cast is more reliable? Perhaps its time for me to go back to the
multi-cast modem - though I thought that was all 'trial' as well.

Being cheeky - is there anything that is reliable - other than html
scraping? I just hate scraping stuff, but I do see that in all your sample
widgets'n'things they seem to use radio streams gleaned from the web site
(e.g. the wmp streams) rather than from any API/public listing. The benefit
of being on the inside I suppose.

Thanks

Pete.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew McParland
 Sent: 16 November 2006 13:44
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [backstage] Web API issue with Radio Four?
 
 Hi Pete,
 
  Indeed. Is there any sign of this service moving from prototype/beta
 to
  something more/less?
 
 Good question.  I've talked to a few people a month or so ago about a
 properly supported public facing API to our schedule data.  The summary
 is
 that there is a desire to do it, but there is no definite timescale
 (yet).
 
  On the particular issue of streams it fascinates me that there seem
 to be
  so many - I presume the feeds listed by the API are somehow different
 from
  the main site feeds (Radio 1 has been down for quite a while now).
 
 This is easier.  The API was set up a while ago and we entered the
 streams
 as they stood at the time.  Due to us mainly using the data and
 multicast
 streams, we haven't tracked the changes in the unicast streams.  Sorry.
 So
 do let us know when you find things going wrong, we're not always aware
 of
 them.  When I get a chance I'll update the streams.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Andrew
 BBC Research
 
 On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 02:46:27PM -, Pete Cole wrote:
  Hi Andrew,
 
   This is the fun with experimental prototypes, eh?
 
 
  On the particular issue of streams it fascinates me that there seem
 to be so
  many - I presume the feeds listed by the API are somehow different
 from the
  main site feeds (Radio 1 has been down for quite a while now).
 
  Pete.
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew
 McParland
   Sent: 15 November 2006 10:44
   To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
   Subject: Re: [backstage] Web API issue with Radio Four?
  
   Hi Pete,
  
   You're right, the problem with the API (and backstage
   TV-Anytime files) missing certain days of Radio 4 has now been
 fixed.
  
   Thanks for the report on the streams, there does seem to be a
   problem - I'll investigate.
  
   This is the fun with experimental prototypes, eh?
  
   Andrew
   BBC Research
  
   On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 02:49:52PM -, Pete Cole wrote:
Hi,
   
This (Radio Four listing) problem seems to have gone away,
   but some of
the real audio streams listed by the API don't seem to work
   (they give
the ever helpful 'General Error'). I haven't checked 'em all, but
radio 1,2,3 and 4 seem 'dead' but 5 live is OK.
   
Pete Cole.
   
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew
 McParland
 Sent: 14 November 2006 10:03
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [backstage] Web API issue with Radio Four?

 Hi Mario,

 Thanks for reporting this.  I'll investigate further.

 Andrew
 BBC Research

 On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:15:29PM +, Mario Menti wrote:
  Hi - there seems to be a problem with the Web API and Radio
 Four data
  at the
  moment:
 
  Try
 

  
 http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/bbc.schedule.getProgrammes
 .h
  tmland select Radio Four - I get  Code 152, no matches
 found. Other
  radio and TV channels seem to be OK.
 
  Probably just temorary, but thought I'd mention it anyway..
 
  Cheers,
  Mario.
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Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshirt%20v4.jpg

I like this one best.

But I really liked the idea of the tag cloud going all round the
t-shirt.

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Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Matthew Somerville

Ian Forrester wrote:

Let me know what you think,


I like v4, without any sort of underlining. Then I looked a bit closer, and 
I like v4 even more because it has developers and community, both of 
which appear to be missing from v2 and v3. :)


ATB,
Matthew


http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshirt%20v2.jpg
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshirt%20v3.jpg
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshirt%20v4.jpg
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshirt%20v5.jpg



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Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Richard P Edwards

I'll have one of the V5's Ian :-)
If I had a choice, I would take out secondlife (needless  
advertising perhaps) and add

moped... just as a smiley.
All the best
Richard


On 16 Nov 2006, at 15:13, Ian Forrester wrote:


So this is what I've done so far...

Let me know what you think,

http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud% 
20tshirt%20v2.jpg


http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud% 
20tshirt%20v3.jpg


http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud% 
20tshirt%20v4.jpg


http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud% 
20tshirt%20v5.jpg


I have done the designs in SVG, if anyone wants to edit the source  
file directly.


Cheers,

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RE: [backstage] Yet another traffic site

2006-11-16 Thread Ian Forrester
Ah thanks for the heads up Alistair 


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Subject: [backstage] Yet another traffic site

Hello all,

Came across this site by accident. Don't see it mentioned in the prototypes. 
Uses the Microsoft map.

http://www.trafficeye.co.uk/

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RE: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Ian Forrester
I would love that too, but that would add a lot more cost to the T-shirts and 
that would mean not everyone would get one :(

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Subject: Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshir
 t%20v4.jpg

I like this one best.

But I really liked the idea of the tag cloud going all round the t-shirt.

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RE: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Ian Forrester
Ok all good point, how about this - 
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshirt%20v6.jpg

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Ian Forrester wrote:
 Let me know what you think,

I like v4, without any sort of underlining. Then I looked a bit closer, and I 
like v4 even more because it has developers and community, both of which 
appear to be missing from v2 and v3. :)

ATB,
Matthew

 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshir
 t%20v2.jpg 
 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshir
 t%20v3.jpg 
 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshir
 t%20v4.jpg 
 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshir
 t%20v5.jpg


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Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Neil Roberts

can't you just raise the license fee ;)

On 11/16/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I would love that too, but that would add a lot more cost to the T-shirts
and that would mean not everyone would get one :(

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Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshir
 t%20v4.jpg

I like this one best.

But I really liked the idea of the tag cloud going all round the t-shirt.

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RE: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Ian Forrester
Cheeky! :) 


can't you just raise the license fee ;)


On 11/16/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I would love that too, but that would add a lot more cost to 
the T-shirts and that would mean not everyone would get one :( 




Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ok all good point, how about this - 
 http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud%20tshirt%20v6.jpg

Brilliant. Love it.

Can I have printed on a barbour please?


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Re: [backstage] Backstage Tag Cloud T-shirt designs

2006-11-16 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd

Ian,

a pity to exclude the individuals other than BBC, but perhaps that's  
what you get paid for...
still google, yahoo and secondlife get a look in, can't say why  
though...


suggest background be same colour as tshirt, are they black?
with a less well defined 'edge'

clouds rarely look so much like bricks.
for reference a BBC cloud looks almost like this:
http://www.peepo.co.uk/peepo2/svg/cloud.svg

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 16 Nov 2006, at 15:13, Ian Forrester wrote:

So this is what I've done so far...

Let me know what you think,

http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud% 
20tshirt%20v2.jpg


http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud% 
20tshirt%20v3.jpg


http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud% 
20tshirt%20v4.jpg


http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/images/ideas/backstage%20cloud% 
20tshirt%20v5.jpg


I have done the designs in SVG, if anyone wants to edit the source  
file directly.


Cheers,

Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965

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[backstage] Postcoder

2006-11-16 Thread Dave Cross


I've got a couple of hundred full UK postcodes that I want to convert to 
lat/long values. And I thought to myself 1/ Postcoder would be the 
perfect tool to do that with and 2/ when I was working on Postcoder 
earlier this year there was lots of talk about releasing the API as part

of Backstage. But there were licensing problems.

So I just thought I'd ask if those licensing problems were any nearer to 
being solved and whether the Postcoder API was any closer to being made 
public.


Or, failing that, what other tools do people use to convert postcodes to 
lat/long? It seems to me that the Google Maps GeoCoder object doesn't 
understand UK postcodes.


Cheers,

Dave...
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Re: [backstage] Postcoder

2006-11-16 Thread Tom Loosemore

best I can do ,...
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?GridConvert?name=529811,189466type=OSGrid

On 16/11/06, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've got a couple of hundred full UK postcodes that I want to convert to
lat/long values. And I thought to myself 1/ Postcoder would be the
perfect tool to do that with and 2/ when I was working on Postcoder
earlier this year there was lots of talk about releasing the API as part
of Backstage. But there were licensing problems.

So I just thought I'd ask if those licensing problems were any nearer to
being solved and whether the Postcoder API was any closer to being made
public.

Or, failing that, what other tools do people use to convert postcodes to
lat/long? It seems to me that the Google Maps GeoCoder object doesn't
understand UK postcodes.

Cheers,

Dave...
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Re: [backstage] Postcoder

2006-11-16 Thread Michael Pritchard

use the google ajax search api, http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/, you
can search for post codes and it returns a town name and some lat/lng values
- not sure how accurate/precise it is

On 16/11/06, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


best I can do ,...

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?GridConvert?name=529811,189466type=OSGrid

On 16/11/06, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've got a couple of hundred full UK postcodes that I want to convert to
 lat/long values. And I thought to myself 1/ Postcoder would be the
 perfect tool to do that with and 2/ when I was working on Postcoder
 earlier this year there was lots of talk about releasing the API as part
 of Backstage. But there were licensing problems.

 So I just thought I'd ask if those licensing problems were any nearer to
 being solved and whether the Postcoder API was any closer to being made
 public.

 Or, failing that, what other tools do people use to convert postcodes to
 lat/long? It seems to me that the Google Maps GeoCoder object doesn't
 understand UK postcodes.

 Cheers,

 Dave...
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