RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
Perhaps backstage.bbc.co.uk could have the streams for the purposes of a technical trial too? There's already been a technical trial with live streaming of BBC channels - the Multicast trial http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/ Can't have two trials doing pretty much the same thing. Would make a mockery of the system. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Browser Stats
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Bowyer Sent: 31 March 2007 19:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats On 31/03/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/03/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/03/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then maybe there is something to your conspiracy theory. Seem as the BBC's stats disagree with the BBC news articles. Something is not quite right wouldn't you agree? Either: 1. Browser stats are inaccurate 2. BBC news article is wrong 3. The BBC is attracting less of the Linux users to it's site (something that should be looked at seriously as this could be an indication the BBC is interfering with commercial markets). Pick one. (or add another). 4. Only you care enough to waste time with this argument? 5. I like using redundant and grammatically incorrect question marks? You can always tell when a discussion has come to its logical end - someone resorts to criticising spelling or grammar. Yeah, it's like comparing someone or something to Hitler or the Nazi's (as in Hitler was a vegetarian)... It's certainly doesn't work as an argument against misrepresenting statistics, but as they only person I know who did double-maths-with-statistics for A-level, I guess I am uniquely injured! plonk -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 30/03/2007 13:15 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 01/04/2007 20:49 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed =4 'In a major change of policy for a record label, EMI is expected to announce later today that it will begin selling songs without copy protection through Apple's iTunes music store. Apple's chief executive, Steve Jobs, will attend a press conference alongside Eric Nicoli, his counterpart at EMI, in London at 1pm today. According to reports over the weekend, they will announce that EMI is ditching the anti-piracy technology that currently restricts how people can copy and listen to their digital music tracks. The Wall Street Journal reported today that the group will announce that it plans to sell significant amounts of its catalogue without anti-copying software. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 01/04/2007 20:49 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Browser Stats
It's certainly doesn't work as an argument against misrepresenting statistics, but as they only person I know who did double-maths-with-statistics for A-level, I guess I am uniquely injured! It takes a certain kind of sadist to do that. It takes another to then take it to university level... On the other hand, at university, we got to use R. With for those that don't know, is a bit like S. http://www.r-project.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Browser Stats
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Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
:-) As here... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm For sure the vote will be said to not reflect public opinion, but 86% saying there should be less DRM is quite a statistical majority. I'm over the moon that higher quality is one of the future intentions, I am tired of trying to listen to great songs that sound like rubbish on any computer especially if I paid for them. The future is getting brighter, once you all get to hear a recording at 96Khz then you may understand, just like HDTV. Can everyone stop dumbing down within the argument of for the sake of the license holders now, in all spheres? RichE On 2 Apr 2007, at 13:42, Brian Butterworth wrote: Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html? gusrc=rssfeed =4 'In a major change of policy for a record label, EMI is expected to announce later today that it will begin selling songs without copy protection through Apple's iTunes music store. Apple's chief executive, Steve Jobs, will attend a press conference alongside Eric Nicoli, his counterpart at EMI, in London at 1pm today. According to reports over the weekend, they will announce that EMI is ditching the anti-piracy technology that currently restricts how people can copy and listen to their digital music tracks. The Wall Street Journal reported today that the group will announce that it plans to sell significant amounts of its catalogue without anti- copying software. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 01/04/2007 20:49 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed =4 Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me. Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said: The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today. (from the BBC article linked above) Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with? Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing. I hope it will be available without iTunes. Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless though. Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files, bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's bandwidth being used). Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball effect? Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer isn't good for them either? Oh well enough of my idle speculation. Official press release: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice $1.29 a song as opposed to 99c. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs sfeed =4 Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me. Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said: The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today. (from the BBC article linked above) Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with? Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing. I hope it will be available without iTunes. Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless though. Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files, bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's bandwidth being used). Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball effect? Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer isn't good for them either? Oh well enough of my idle speculation. Official press release: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
I'd imagine at the quantities that Apple buy bandwidth, the extra cost of delivering the larger file will be negligibly more. Therefore what is this price increase paying for? Potential lost revenue when more people put the unDRMed file on the torrents perhaps? J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stone Sent: 02 April 2007 14:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice $1.29 a song as opposed to 99c. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs sfeed =4 Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me. Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said: The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today. (from the BBC article linked above) Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with? Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing. I hope it will be available without iTunes. Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless though. Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files, bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's bandwidth being used). Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball effect? Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer isn't good for them either? Oh well enough of my idle speculation. Official press release: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Free TV Listings?
Haven't seen any comments on http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Free-TV-listings/ here yet. I don't suppose anything will come of it but it would be nice for people like http://bleb.org/tv/ Simon. -- -+// What's an elephant? A kind of badger, said Granny. She\\+- -+hadn't maintained forest-credibility for forty years by ever+- -+\\ admitting ignorance. //+- - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: Video content has developed pretty differently from music ... I wouldn't hold the two in parallel right now, [Steve Jobs] said. http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048507,00.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
Got to say I'd personally be happy paying up to $3 a song if it was DRM free and recorded at a high bit rate. Cheers Ian Jeremy Stone wrote: The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice $1.29 a song as opposed to 99c. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs sfeed =4 Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me. Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said: The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today. (from the BBC article linked above) Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with? Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing. I hope it will be available without iTunes. Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless though. Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files, bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's bandwidth being used). Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball effect? Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer isn't good for them either? Oh well enough of my idle speculation. Official press release: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
You'd pay $30 and up for an album on CD? Are you mad? I suppose you do get a convenient hard copy backup too... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mr I Forrester Sent: Mon 02/04/2007 18:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' Got to say I'd personally be happy paying up to $3 a song if it was DRM free and recorded at a high bit rate. Cheers Ian Jeremy Stone wrote: The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice $1.29 a song as opposed to 99c. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs sfeed =4 Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me. Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said: The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today. (from the BBC article linked above) Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with? Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing. I hope it will be available without iTunes. Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless though. Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files, bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's bandwidth being used). Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball effect? Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer isn't good for them either? Oh well enough of my idle speculation. Official press release: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ winmail.dat
Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
On 02/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd imagine at the quantities that Apple buy bandwidth, the extra cost of delivering the larger file will be negligibly more. Therefore what is this price increase paying for? Potential lost revenue when more people put the unDRMed file on the torrents perhaps? DRMed files are put on torrents anyway. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'
The increased price is paying for the perceived increase in risk to the copyright holder and to ensure that there's a choice which could potentially prove the demand for non DRM music is low (statistically). IMHO. Phil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 02 April 2007 14:48 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' I'd imagine at the quantities that Apple buy bandwidth, the extra cost of delivering the larger file will be negligibly more. Therefore what is this price increase paying for? Potential lost revenue when more people put the unDRMed file on the torrents perhaps? J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Stone Sent: 02 April 2007 14:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice $1.29 a song as opposed to 99c. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal' On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided to not bother with wasteful DRM: http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs sfeed =4 Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me. Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said: The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today. (from the BBC article linked above) Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with? Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing. I hope it will be available without iTunes. Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless though. Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files, bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's bandwidth being used). Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball effect? Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer isn't good for them either? Oh well enough of my idle speculation. Official press release: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- received to: andyb.com Message ID : ob3d45ad6f0084f10878b6eebd0786c8f.pro Sender ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Msg Size : 3k This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of the message. This footer also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses, though it is not guaranteed virus free. Original Recipient: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Original Sender : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Send Date: 03/04/2007 - 00:21:15 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/