RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3

2007-04-02 Thread Andrew Bowden
 Perhaps backstage.bbc.co.uk could have the streams for the 
 purposes of a technical trial too?

There's already been a technical trial with live streaming of BBC
channels - the Multicast trial
http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/

Can't have two trials doing pretty much the same thing.  Would make a
mockery of the system.

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RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-04-02 Thread Brian Butterworth
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 On 31/03/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  On 31/03/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On 31/03/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Then maybe there is something to your conspiracy 
 theory. Seem as 
the BBC's stats disagree with the BBC news articles. 
 Something is 
not quite right wouldn't you agree?
Either:
1. Browser stats are inaccurate
2. BBC news article is wrong
3. The BBC is attracting less of the Linux users to it's site 
(something that should be looked at seriously as this 
 could be an 
indication the BBC is interfering with commercial markets).
   
Pick one. (or add another).
  
   4. Only you care enough to waste time with this argument?
 
  5. I like using redundant and grammatically incorrect 
 question marks?
 
 You can always tell when a discussion has come to its logical 
 end - someone resorts to criticising spelling or grammar.

Yeah, it's like comparing someone or something to Hitler or the Nazi's (as
in Hitler was a vegetarian)...

It's certainly doesn't work as an argument against misrepresenting
statistics, but as they only person I know who did
double-maths-with-statistics for A-level, I guess I am uniquely injured!


 
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[backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Brian Butterworth
Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided
to not bother with wasteful DRM:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed
=4

'In a major change of policy for a record label, EMI is expected to announce
later today that it will begin selling songs without copy protection through
Apple's iTunes music store.

Apple's chief executive, Steve Jobs, will attend a press conference
alongside Eric Nicoli, his counterpart at EMI, in London at 1pm today.

According to reports over the weekend, they will announce that EMI is
ditching the anti-piracy technology that currently restricts how people can
copy and listen to their digital music tracks.

The Wall Street Journal reported today that the group will announce that it
plans to sell significant amounts of its catalogue without anti-copying
software.


Brian Butterworth
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RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-04-02 Thread Andrew Bowden
 It's certainly doesn't work as an argument against 
 misrepresenting statistics, but as they only person I know 
 who did double-maths-with-statistics for A-level, I guess I 
 am uniquely injured!

It takes a certain kind of sadist to do that.  It takes another to then
take it to university level...  

On the other hand, at university, we got to use R.  With for those that
don't know, is a bit like S.
http://www.r-project.org/

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RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

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Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Richard P Edwards

:-)
As here...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm

For sure the vote will be said to not reflect public opinion, but 86%  
saying there should be less DRM is quite a statistical majority.
I'm over the moon that higher quality is one of the future  
intentions, I am tired of trying to listen to great songs that sound  
like rubbish on any computer especially if I paid for them.
The future is getting brighter, once you all get to hear a recording  
at 96Khz then you may understand, just like HDTV.
Can everyone stop dumbing down within the argument of for the sake  
of the license holders now, in all spheres?

RichE
On 2 Apr 2007, at 13:42, Brian Butterworth wrote:

Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has  
decided

to not bother with wasteful DRM:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html? 
gusrc=rssfeed

=4

'In a major change of policy for a record label, EMI is expected to  
announce
later today that it will begin selling songs without copy  
protection through

Apple's iTunes music store.

Apple's chief executive, Steve Jobs, will attend a press conference
alongside Eric Nicoli, his counterpart at EMI, in London at 1pm today.

According to reports over the weekend, they will announce that EMI is
ditching the anti-piracy technology that currently restricts how  
people can

copy and listen to their digital music tracks.

The Wall Street Journal reported today that the group will announce  
that it
plans to sell significant amounts of its catalogue without anti- 
copying

software.


Brian Butterworth
www.ukfree.tv

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Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Andy

On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has decided
to not bother with wasteful DRM:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rssfeed
=4


Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm

And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me.

Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said:

The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded interoperability by 
going
DRM-free and that starts here today.

(from the BBC article linked above)

Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with?

Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing.
I hope it will be available without iTunes.

Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless though.
Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files,
bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's
bandwidth being used).

Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball effect?
Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer
isn't good for them either?

Oh well enough of my idle speculation.

Official press release:
http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm

Andy

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RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Jeremy Stone
The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice 
$1.29 a song as opposed to 99c.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has 
 decided to not bother with wasteful DRM:

 http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs
 sfeed
 =4

Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm

And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me.

Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said:
 The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded 
 interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today.
(from the BBC article linked above)

Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with?

Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing.
I hope it will be available without iTunes.

Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless
though.
Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files,
bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's
bandwidth being used).

Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball
effect?
Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer
isn't good for them either?

Oh well enough of my idle speculation.

Official press release:
http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm

Andy

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RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Jason Cartwright
I'd imagine at the quantities that Apple buy bandwidth, the extra cost
of delivering the larger file will be negligibly more. Therefore what is
this price increase paying for? Potential lost revenue when more people
put the unDRMed file on the torrents perhaps?

J 

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The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice
$1.29 a song as opposed to 99c.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has 
 decided to not bother with wasteful DRM:

 http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs
 sfeed
 =4

Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm

And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me.

Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said:
 The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded 
 interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today.
(from the BBC article linked above)

Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with?

Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing.
I hope it will be available without iTunes.

Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless
though.
Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files,
bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's
bandwidth being used).

Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball
effect?
Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer
isn't good for them either?

Oh well enough of my idle speculation.

Official press release:
http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm

Andy

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[backstage] Free TV Listings?

2007-04-02 Thread Simon Huggins
Haven't seen any comments on
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Free-TV-listings/
here yet.  I don't suppose anything will come of it but it would be nice
for people like http://bleb.org/tv/

Simon.

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RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Jeremy Stone
 

 Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company  has 
 decided to not bother with wasteful DRM:

Video content has developed pretty differently from music ... I
wouldn't hold the two in parallel right now, [Steve Jobs] said.
http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048507,00.html

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Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Mr I Forrester
Got to say I'd personally be happy paying up to $3 a song if it was DRM 
free and recorded at a high bit rate.


Cheers

Ian

Jeremy Stone wrote:
The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice 
$1.29 a song as opposed to 99c.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html
 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has 
decided to not bother with wasteful DRM:


http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs
sfeed
=4



Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm

And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me.

Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said:
  
The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded 
interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today.


(from the BBC article linked above)

Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with?

Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing.
I hope it will be available without iTunes.

Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless
though.
Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files,
bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's
bandwidth being used).

Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball
effect?
Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer
isn't good for them either?

Oh well enough of my idle speculation.

Official press release:
http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm

Andy

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RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Kim Plowright
You'd pay $30 and up for an album on CD? Are you mad?

I suppose you do get a convenient hard copy backup too...

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Got to say I'd personally be happy paying up to $3 a song if it was DRM 
free and recorded at a high bit rate.

Cheers

Ian

Jeremy Stone wrote:
 The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice 
 $1.29 a song as opposed to 99c.
 http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html
  

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy
 Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

 On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has 
 decided to not bother with wasteful DRM:

 http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs
 sfeed
 =4
 

 Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration):
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm

 And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me.

 Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said:
   
 The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded 
 interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today.
 
 (from the BBC article linked above)

 Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with?

 Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing.
 I hope it will be available without iTunes.

 Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless
 though.
 Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files,
 bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's
 bandwidth being used).

 Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball
 effect?
 Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer
 isn't good for them either?

 Oh well enough of my idle speculation.

 Official press release:
 http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm

 Andy

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Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Dave Crossland

On 02/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd imagine at the quantities that Apple buy bandwidth, the extra cost
of delivering the larger file will be negligibly more. Therefore what is
this price increase paying for? Potential lost revenue when more people
put the unDRMed file on the torrents perhaps?


DRMed files are put on torrents anyway.

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RE: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Phil Winstanley
The increased price is paying for the perceived increase in risk to the
copyright holder and to ensure that there's a choice which could
potentially prove the demand for non DRM music is low (statistically).

IMHO.

Phil.

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I'd imagine at the quantities that Apple buy bandwidth, the extra cost
of delivering the larger file will be negligibly more. Therefore what is
this price increase paying for? Potential lost revenue when more people
put the unDRMed file on the torrents perhaps?

J 

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Sent: 02 April 2007 14:36
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The DRM free songs are going to be more expensive I notice
$1.29 a song as opposed to 99c.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 02 April 2007 14:27
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

On 02/04/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just to keep Auntie on her toes, another company that is a TLA has 
 decided to not bother with wasteful DRM:

 http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2048195,00.html?gusrc=rs
 sfeed
 =4

Or the BBC article on the matter (which doesn't require registration):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6516189.stm

And I nearly forgot what TLA meant! How stupid of me.

Not sure I trust Steve Jobs when he said:
 The right thing to do is to tear down walls that precluded 
 interoperability by going DRM-free and that starts here today.
(from the BBC article linked above)

Was he not the guy who put up the walls to start with?

Nice to see some record companies considering this kind of thing.
I hope it will be available without iTunes.

Apparently the files will be higher quality, doubt it will be lossless
though.
Pity really, but then it would cost them more to shift the files,
bandwidth ain't free (unless you use P2P then it's someone else's
bandwidth being used).

Can't remember who's on EMI though. Hopefully this could be a snowball
effect?
Maybe EMI might be realizing that one all powerful content distributer
isn't good for them either?

Oh well enough of my idle speculation.

Official press release:
http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm

Andy

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