RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices Sounds like you need to get yourself a better DVD player. -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On 20/02/2008, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices Sounds like you need to get yourself a better DVD player. Or stop using DVDs. My Star Trek collection had the front- and end- titles removed. Who needs this junk? -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
I don't know guys, it may have been said multiple times but the only winner in this battle must be the online services. However I'm still left wondering when the general public will get their head around non-physical media. People seem to like the look and feel of physical media like CDs, Vinyl, DVDs. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Woodhouse Sent: 20 February 2008 13:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices Sounds like you need to get yourself a better DVD player. -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
Is that right? These days doesn't everyone store their still pics digitally? Store their video camera clips digitally? Store their music digitally? I think the only thing that gets in the way is DRM. Downloading a movie/song often comes with DRM restricting usage to set players. With a CD/DVD you have more flexibility ... but that's the only thing I can think of. I buy virtually all my music as CDs, but then rip them to play them how I want to play them. I don't tie them to one media platform. But I don't really keep the physical format other than as a back-up. If I can buy non-drm/tied music/films, I will. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 20 February 2008 15:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray I don't know guys, it may have been said multiple times but the only winner in this battle must be the online services. However I'm still left wondering when the general public will get their head around non-physical media. People seem to like the look and feel of physical media like CDs, Vinyl, DVDs. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Woodhouse Sent: 20 February 2008 13:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices Sounds like you need to get yourself a better DVD player. -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
I totally agree, the winner are online video services. However there are few of them available. I am not sure if people any longer look so much at the physical aspect. In the case of CDs and DVDs they become so commoditized that I think people will no longer judge them as jems. The case of vinyls or books is different (particularly in the case of books, since it is a very old industry and therefore gives much variety). Actually I think that DVDs and CDs will end in the basement floor along with the Betamax and VHS tapes, very soon... best, jose-carlos On 20 Feb 2008, at 15:57, Ian Forrester wrote: I don't know guys, it may have been said multiple times but the only winner in this battle must be the online services. However I'm still left wondering when the general public will get their head around non-physical media. People seem to like the look and feel of physical media like CDs, Vinyl, DVDs. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of David Woodhouse Sent: 20 February 2008 13:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices Sounds like you need to get yourself a better DVD player. -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/secretariat/legal/disclaimer.htm - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
At 13:18 + 19/2/08, Matt Barber wrote: Toshiba drops out of HD DVD war - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7252172.stm What does everyone think? I thought they would keep this going for longer. Everything should be open. Just my two cents... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] The Habitat of Information
Dear friends: I am attaching the program of the one-day conference we are organizing at the London School of Economics and Political Science which is related to the social and organizational consequences of information growth and the internet (very related to some of the things that are discussed here). If someone is interested please send an email to Frances White to reserve a place ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ).The complete program with abstracts is available at: http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/informationSystems/newsAndEvents/2008events/SSIT8programme.htm 8th Social Study of ICT Workshop Information Systems and Innovation Group, Department of Management, London School of Economics and Political Science The Habitat of Information: Social and Organizational Consequences of Information Growth Friday 25th of April, 2008 The workshop will take place in the Hong Kong Theatre, Ground Floor, Clement House, LSE http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/informationSystems/newsAndEvents/2008events/SSIT8programme.htm Information growth is a distinctive phenomenon of the late 20th and early 21st century. Large varieties of information are currently produced and circulated, in a rapidly increasing scale, across the various institutional domains of contemporary societies. Technical and administrative innovations have been expanding the interoperable platforms that make possible the development and diffusion of information within and across systems and organizations. At the same time, a range of devices from desktop computing to cell phones and digital cameras have been spreading across the population, making individuals and social groups important producers and consumers of information. A pivotal development has been the emergence, expansion and deepening involvement of the internet in social and economic life. Taken together, these developments establish a new socio-economic environment in which information-based operations, and information goods and services acquire crucial importance. This is clearly shown in the rapid ascent to economic dominance of internet-based companies that demonstrate superior data editing and information management strategies. New commercial possibilities steadily develop around the production, ordering and distribution of information, as data become interoperable across sources and older forms of information (e.g. image, text and sound) are brought to bear upon one another. But information growth has wider social implications as well. The involvement of information in every walk of life redefines the relationship between information and reality, and reshapes the social practices through which information is stored, retrieved, understood, disseminated and remembered. Increasingly, information mediates between humans and reality. In this context, the activities of ordering, making sense, evaluating, navigating and acting upon information step onto the centre-stage of contemporary life, impinging upon skill profiles and personal choices. They often do so under conditions in which the established boundaries between individuals and institutions are rendered shifting and negotiable. There is a growing awareness of the current information growth dynamics and the emerging information habitat. However, the recent character of the phenomenon makes the social and economic implications of these dynamics not well understood. The 8th Social Study of ICT workshop brings together a number of prominent scholars and practitioners whose work and experience help illuminate the relevant developments. Program 8.30-9.15Registration 9.15Welcome Morning Session 9.45 – 10.45Keynote: Information Growth and the Texture of Reality Albert Borgmann, Professor, Department of Philosophy, University of Montana. 10.45 – 11.00Coffee Break 11.00 – 12.00The Expanding Information Universe John Gantz , Chief Research Officer and Senior Vice President of IDC – International Data Corporation. 12.00 – 13.00Panel on the Organizational Consequences of Information Growth This panel will address how companies and organizations are managing their information resources. Which strategies do they develop to cope with information growth and the increasing involvement of information in organizational operations? Which new practices, skills and roles emerge in today's information-intensive organizations and industries? Chair: Dr. Carsten Sorensen, Information Systems and Innovation Group, Department of Management, London School of Economics. Panel Participants: - Azeem Azhar, Head of Innovation, Reuters. - James Backhouse, Reader, Information Systems and Innovation Group, Department of Management, London School of Economics. - Richard Boulderstone, Director of eStrategy, The British
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
I think that if you compare Vinyl with anything round and shiny, CD's DVD etc... you have a point Ian. But every generation I know, from 72 to 11 year olds, is now just putting it all on computers. Today my mother came across your new BBC home page and was really excited about the iPlayer until I tried to explain why she can't access it from Spain, she is old! As far as I can see, the wider public have become consumers completely. With little intention of keeping physical packaging beyond the life of the product, which if you can transfer it, is very short with CD. A little harder with DVD, but we are trying ;-) Musically, the future for me is in mixing 5.1 or 6.1 mixes. Yes, everyone will have to own home theatres to hear how great it is but with the quality control, up to 96K sampling right now and the large size of files it will be a lot easier to control the delivery and copying through the net. In car this will be awesome to hear. In this sense I think the future is more about content than delivery. I don't see any good reason to buy Blu Ray. especially if I can legally torrent HD programmes sometime in the near future. I can get an Apple TV and loads of HD space for similar money. Regards RichE On 20 Feb 2008, at 15:57, Ian Forrester wrote: I don't know guys, it may have been said multiple times but the only winner in this battle must be the online services. However I'm still left wondering when the general public will get their head around non-physical media. People seem to like the look and feel of physical media like CDs, Vinyl, DVDs. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Woodhouse Sent: 20 February 2008 13:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices Sounds like you need to get yourself a better DVD player. -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On 20/02/2008, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know guys, it may have been said multiple times but the only winner in this battle must be the online services. However I'm still left wondering when the general public will get their head around non-physical media. People seem to like the look and feel of physical media like CDs, Vinyl, DVDs. I was talking to Dave about this in Edinburgh. The thing is, the current evidence suggests that this might be a false assumption. From a physiological point of view, lots of marketing efforts does indeed go into selling things to people. However, the modern liberal international capitalist system puts a lot of effort into promoting brands, which a not things, but virtual. It is quite a logical step to say that brands therefore exist in cyberspace. They have value only as something that is possessed by a company that hey can use. I've got three enormous boxes that I have all my CDs in. I gaffer taped them up when I finished MP3ing them, which was years ago now. How many times have I unpacked them? None. I've got a Vista Media Center with all my music on it, and I can copy and play this (using www.orb.com) anywhere. It's connected to the TV and has a remote control, and does my videos and all my thousands of photos. I can access all this lot from where ever with one remote control. I'm not alone. Everyone with an MP3 player (say an iPod) can carry around an amount of music you couldn't carry around in a transit van if it were on vinyl. Look, I'm such a nerd that I bought all of Star Trek (not Enterprise, obviously but with the Cartoons), Doctor Who and Blake's Seven on VHS and they took up the whole damn loft! Now I can have it all on a box smaller than half a VHS cassette. And if that's not enough. To quote from Down The Line, What is point DVD? The weirdest exam result (was the A) I got for an AO Level in Science in Society, so I've known about the idea of peak oil and climate change for ages. I recon that if we are going to run out of the oil and stop killing the planet, then the easiest thing for people to give up is buying data stamped onto heavy plastic carted around by lorry. It's just so unnecessary! If you are investing, invest in fat datapipes not past-it plastic. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/feb/19/musicnews.netmusic?gusrc=rssfeed=technology Cheers zIan Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Woodhouse Sent: 20 February 2008 13:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the way it takes control over your TV/DVD and insists that you watch the copyright notices Sounds like you need to get yourself a better DVD player. -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] k/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
On 20/02/2008, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/02/2008, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know guys, it may have been said multiple times but the only winner in this battle must be the online services. However I'm still left wondering when the general public will get their head around non-physical media. People seem to like the look and feel of physical media like CDs, Vinyl, DVDs. Or, put it this way. In the late 1970s, home computers were the digital watch with it's battery-flattening LED display, the calculator and a TV game called Tennis (aka Pong). The game scored to 15 points because it was a FOUR bit processor. There was always Prestel, a acoustic-coupler version of Ceefax, a 40x24 display on a 1275 modem. That's 1200bps download, 75bps upload. You could store data on a compact cassette at perhaps the same 1200 baud, When I started at one school, they had TWO computers. An Apple ][ and a BBC B! The former had a printer and there were two games for it. My first network I set up was an Econet of BBC Micros. The server was a 10Mb Winchester drive. The whole school used it. The micros had 32K of RAM, 32K of ROM and a 8 bit CPU at around 1Mhz. The Econet network ran in up to a massive 100kbps! My first professional Netware installation was a Netware 3 one. By then the server had a 1Gb drive, the network was thick and thin 10Mb/s network. The WAN used Kilostreams at 64kps, and that led eventually the the Internet. As I recall those iMega 100Mb drives were all the rage. A few years later I used a Sun SparcStation to digitally record my first full audio track. I've still got the recording and I don't think it would past muster these days! When I start MP3ing all my CDs, I get a Rio 100. With 64Mb of memory! Ten tracks, if you are lucky, or double the RAM for £100. But even then my office 64kbps KiloStream to the Internet costs me £4000 a year! That's £173 a month for a service that is 1/32th the speed of a bog-standard 2Mb/s broadband you get for free (sort of) now. If you can't be persuaded by the science of climate change or peak oil, then if there is any better dead-cert it's Moore's Law. By 2015 the nets going to be 100s of Mb/s, it's going to be a question of how you can display all those 3D HD feeds at once! I was talking to Dave about this in Edinburgh. The thing is, the current evidence suggests that this might be a false assumption. From a physiological point of view, lots of marketing efforts does indeed go into selling things to people. However, the modern liberal international capitalist system puts a lot of effort into promoting brands, which a not things, but virtual. It is quite a logical step to say that brands therefore exist in cyberspace. They have value only as something that is possessed by a company that hey can use. I've got three enormous boxes that I have all my CDs in. I gaffer taped them up when I finished MP3ing them, which was years ago now. How many times have I unpacked them? None. I've got a Vista Media Center with all my music on it, and I can copy and play this (using www.orb.com) anywhere. It's connected to the TV and has a remote control, and does my videos and all my thousands of photos. I can access all this lot from where ever with one remote control. I'm not alone. Everyone with an MP3 player (say an iPod) can carry around an amount of music you couldn't carry around in a transit van if it were on vinyl. Look, I'm such a nerd that I bought all of Star Trek (not Enterprise, obviously but with the Cartoons), Doctor Who and Blake's Seven on VHS and they took up the whole damn loft! Now I can have it all on a box smaller than half a VHS cassette. And if that's not enough. To quote from Down The Line, What is point DVD? The weirdest exam result (was the A) I got for an AO Level in Science in Society, so I've known about the idea of peak oil and climate change for ages. I recon that if we are going to run out of the oil and stop killing the planet, then the easiest thing for people to give up is buying data stamped onto heavy plastic carted around by lorry. It's just so unnecessary! If you are investing, invest in fat datapipes not past-it plastic. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/feb/19/musicnews.netmusic?gusrc=rssfeed=technology Cheers zIan Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Woodhouse Sent: 20 February 2008 13:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:26 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I /heart/ about the pre-2K bit of plastic is the
