Re: [backstage] iPlayer (unoffically) on the PS3
On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 21:15 +0100, Tim Dobson wrote: Bah. I hadn't realise it still used flash. How about someone does the same thing but with the nice DRM-free open standard stuff which I can watch without flash. :) http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flv/ -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever. I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
Yes, but it was no surprise that the first Service Licence review was yet another in-depth look at online, and not BBC One, was it? 2008/4/30 Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Tom, You wrote: the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. That's right, existing services aren't put through a PVT -- that's what the service licence is for, isn't it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk_s ervice_licence.html The Trust are actually reviewing the online service licence right now... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk.h tml Ready to be published in Spring 2008, ie any day now, I suppose. Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 30 April 2008 12:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen New BBC services now have to go through a market impact assessment to ensure they are not anti competitive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/public_value_test/#part-5 but existing BBC services (ie everything other than iPlayer and BBC HD) have not been and will not be subject to such rigour... the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Open Flash
Adobe is removing restrictions on the use of the SWF and FLV/F4V specifications says Aral Balkan: http://aralbalkan.com/1332 Interesting, I thought.
Re: [backstage] Open Flash
If this is true it will 'put one up' Microsoft's Silverlight, won't it? On 01/05/2008, simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adobe is removing restrictions on the use of the SWF and FLV/F4V specifications says Aral Balkan: http://aralbalkan.com/1332 Interesting, I thought. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
BTW, I've had a really bright idea to stop needing to 'top slice' the TV License Fee: There is a PSB funding option that no-one seems to be considering. It's a really, really, simple obvious one. It re-distributive, simple to implement, almost a no brainer, logical, doesn't hurt the BBC, no selling off of Chris Moyles and Terry Wogan. And here it is: *ADD A 3% TAX TO SUBSCRIPTION TELEVISION* Sky subscribers: Q4 2007, 8,297,000 Annual revenue per unit: £421 Total Sky subscription revenues: £3493.037m Virgin subscribers: Q4 2007, 3,478,100 Annual revenue per unit: £507 Total Sky subscription income: £1763.346m Total income from television subscriptions: £5256.383m Revenue required to support Channel 4 or PSB Publisher etc: £150m Tax on subscriptions would be: 150/5256.383 = 2.85% What do you think? On 01/05/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but it was no surprise that the first Service Licence review was yet another in-depth look at online, and not BBC One, was it? 2008/4/30 Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Tom, You wrote: the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. That's right, existing services aren't put through a PVT -- that's what the service licence is for, isn't it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk_s ervice_licence.html The Trust are actually reviewing the online service licence right now... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk.h tml Ready to be published in Spring 2008, ie any day now, I suppose. Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 30 April 2008 12:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen New BBC services now have to go through a market impact assessment to ensure they are not anti competitive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/public_value_test/#part-5 but existing BBC services (ie everything other than iPlayer and BBC HD) have not been and will not be subject to such rigour... the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
On 01/05/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever. I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... I *think* as long as you're logged in as you, and they are your contacts, I don't see why not - because you could essentially go through and write each one down on paper, or copy/paste the data. So getting your own bot to do it doesn't seem that bad? One thing however, the email addresses are rendered in graphical form on profile pages, so a bit of OCR would be required. But do share your results if you try it. Also take a look at Facedown, little app to download your facebook albums: http://www.vincentcheung.ca/facedown/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
On top of the 17.5% tax already on there? J On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I've had a really bright idea to stop needing to 'top slice' the TV License Fee: There is a PSB funding option that no-one seems to be considering. It's a really, really, simple obvious one. It re-distributive, simple to implement, almost a no brainer, logical, doesn't hurt the BBC, no selling off of Chris Moyles and Terry Wogan. And here it is: *ADD A 3% TAX TO SUBSCRIPTION TELEVISION* Sky subscribers: Q4 2007, 8,297,000 Annual revenue per unit: £421 Total Sky subscription revenues: £3493.037m Virgin subscribers: Q4 2007, 3,478,100 Annual revenue per unit: £507 Total Sky subscription income: £1763.346m Total income from television subscriptions: £5256.383m Revenue required to support Channel 4 or PSB Publisher etc: £150m Tax on subscriptions would be: 150/5256.383 = 2.85% What do you think? On 01/05/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but it was no surprise that the first Service Licence review was yet another in-depth look at online, and not BBC One, was it? 2008/4/30 Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Tom, You wrote: the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. That's right, existing services aren't put through a PVT -- that's what the service licence is for, isn't it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk_s ervice_licence.html The Trust are actually reviewing the online service licence right now... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk.h tml Ready to be published in Spring 2008, ie any day now, I suppose. Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 30 April 2008 12:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen New BBC services now have to go through a market impact assessment to ensure they are not anti competitive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/public_value_test/#part-5 but existing BBC services (ie everything other than iPlayer and BBC HD) have not been and will not be subject to such rigour... the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
Brian Butterworth wrote: On 01/05/2008, *Martin Belam* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a piece on this in The Guardian today - he makes some interesting points but at one stage he suggests that Facebook is a closed system, and that nobody can move onto a new social platform because all of their friends are there, so Facebook will rule forever. I would have thought that explains the massive continued success of MySpace and Friends Reunitedoh, hang on a second It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6135226994topic=3088 http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~mrowe/foafgenerator.html I think you can get a lot of data out, but not emails of your buddys (without screenscraping, per plaxo/scoble fuss earlier this year). Dan -- http://danbri.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The future of the internet
Matt Barber wrote: It's interesting the way the Facebook can pull data from other systems (ie, your email contacts list) but has no export. I thought about writing one, I wondered if I would get blocked from doing it... I *think* as long as you're logged in as you, and they are your contacts, I don't see why not - because you could essentially go through and write each one down on paper, or copy/paste the data. So getting your own bot to do it doesn't seem that bad? One thing however, the email addresses are rendered in graphical form on profile pages, so a bit of OCR would be required. But do share your results if you try it. Yup, esp if anyone gets that OCR thing working with free tools. But I imagine the Facebook team must feel 'damned if we do, damned if we don't'... I just found http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7376738.stm The BBC's technology programme Click has exposed a security flaw in the social networking site Facebook which could compromise privacy. Oh no! we can't get data out of Facebook! Oh no! we can get data out of Facebook! Having been on the 'give us our data back' side of the fence for years, I'm starting to think that argument's been won, and the real issue is how we deal with having gotten our data back. Especially when 'our' is a bit vague; how much information about you do I have a right to extract if we're Facebook buddies? http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/fear-of-a-foaf-planet http://www.slideshare.net/danbri/whatever-i-can-get Figuring out how to help real users make sane choices here, without trying to explain OpenID/Oauth or worse to non-geeks, ... that's the hard problem. I don't think this is just about Facebook hoarding data. Dan -- http://danbri.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
great idea Brian unlikely to happen as Sky and Virgin would scream the house down From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Thu 01/05/2008 1:37 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen BTW, I've had a really bright idea to stop needing to 'top slice' the TV License Fee: There is a PSB funding option that no-one seems to be considering. It's a really, really, simple obvious one. It re-distributive, simple to implement, almost a no brainer, logical, doesn't hurt the BBC, no selling off of Chris Moyles and Terry Wogan. And here it is: ADD A 3% TAX TO SUBSCRIPTION TELEVISION Sky subscribers: Q4 2007, 8,297,000 Annual revenue per unit: £421 Total Sky subscription revenues: £3493.037m Virgin subscribers: Q4 2007, 3,478,100 Annual revenue per unit: £507 Total Sky subscription income: £1763.346m Total income from television subscriptions: £5256.383m Revenue required to support Channel 4 or PSB Publisher etc: £150m Tax on subscriptions would be: 150/5256.383 = 2.85% What do you think? On 01/05/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but it was no surprise that the first Service Licence review was yet another in-depth look at online, and not BBC One, was it? 2008/4/30 Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Tom, You wrote: the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. That's right, existing services aren't put through a PVT -- that's what the service licence is for, isn't it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk_s ervice_licence.html The Trust are actually reviewing the online service licence right now... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk.h tml Ready to be published in Spring 2008, ie any day now, I suppose. Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 30 April 2008 12:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen New BBC services now have to go through a market impact assessment to ensure they are not anti competitive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/public_value_test/#part-5 but existing BBC services (ie everything other than iPlayer and BBC HD) have not been and will not be subject to such rigour... the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net http://www.currybet.net/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv/ - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
2008/5/1 Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On top of the 17.5% tax already on there? Oh, like there isn't more than one tax on lots of other things ... petrol springs to mind. To be honest, I have not heard of a better idea from anyone anywhere else. J On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I've had a really bright idea to stop needing to 'top slice' the TV License Fee: There is a PSB funding option that no-one seems to be considering. It's a really, really, simple obvious one. It re-distributive, simple to implement, almost a no brainer, logical, doesn't hurt the BBC, no selling off of Chris Moyles and Terry Wogan. And here it is: *ADD A 3% TAX TO SUBSCRIPTION TELEVISION* Sky subscribers: Q4 2007, 8,297,000 Annual revenue per unit: £421 Total Sky subscription revenues: £3493.037m Virgin subscribers: Q4 2007, 3,478,100 Annual revenue per unit: £507 Total Sky subscription income: £1763.346m Total income from television subscriptions: £5256.383m Revenue required to support Channel 4 or PSB Publisher etc: £150m Tax on subscriptions would be: 150/5256.383 = 2.85% What do you think? On 01/05/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but it was no surprise that the first Service Licence review was yet another in-depth look at online, and not BBC One, was it? 2008/4/30 Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Tom, You wrote: the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. That's right, existing services aren't put through a PVT -- that's what the service licence is for, isn't it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk_s ervice_licence.html The Trust are actually reviewing the online service licence right now... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk.h tml Ready to be published in Spring 2008, ie any day now, I suppose. Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 30 April 2008 12:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen New BBC services now have to go through a market impact assessment to ensure they are not anti competitive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/public_value_test/#part-5 but existing BBC services (ie everything other than iPlayer and BBC HD) have not been and will not be subject to such rigour... the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161 -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
2008/5/1 Nick Reynolds-FMT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: great idea Brian unlikely to happen as Sky and Virgin would scream the house down Ah, back to their self-interest... They could hardly claim that 3% would break the bank! These companies provide 'free' 'broadband' don't they... also, it is less than gets paid over to NDS too. The best part of it, of course, is that they already have to provide their figures to Ofcom every three months, and they brag about them to their shareholders. And to collect 3% from two (plus a few other) companies is really, really simple. If ITV dumps its PSB role - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/25/itv.television1 - then there will be 45% of Mux 2 to fund. This would be a great way to pay for a non-BBC children's channel without adverts, have a non-BBC regional news network and ensure Channel 4 can continue. (ITV owns Mux A, so it could remove Top-Up TV, Price Drop, Bid Up and QVC and move ITV1, 2, 3 and 4 there). And it's better than Peter Bazelgette's idea - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/23/channel4.bbc If anyone has a better idea I have yet to hear it! -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Butterworth *Sent:* Thu 01/05/2008 1:37 PM *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen BTW, I've had a really bright idea to stop needing to 'top slice' the TV License Fee: There is a PSB funding option that no-one seems to be considering. It's a really, really, simple obvious one. It re-distributive, simple to implement, almost a no brainer, logical, doesn't hurt the BBC, no selling off of Chris Moyles and Terry Wogan. And here it is: *ADD A 3% TAX TO SUBSCRIPTION TELEVISION* Sky subscribers: Q4 2007, 8,297,000 Annual revenue per unit: £421 Total Sky subscription revenues: £3493.037m Virgin subscribers: Q4 2007, 3,478,100 Annual revenue per unit: £507 Total Sky subscription income: £1763.346m Total income from television subscriptions: £5256.383m Revenue required to support Channel 4 or PSB Publisher etc: £150m Tax on subscriptions would be: 150/5256.383 = 2.85% What do you think? On 01/05/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but it was no surprise that the first Service Licence review was yet another in-depth look at online, and not BBC One, was it? 2008/4/30 Brendan Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Tom, You wrote: the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. That's right, existing services aren't put through a PVT -- that's what the service licence is for, isn't it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk_s ervice_licence.html The Trust are actually reviewing the online service licence right now... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/bbc_service_licences/bbc_co_uk.h tml Ready to be published in Spring 2008, ie any day now, I suppose. Brendan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 30 April 2008 12:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen New BBC services now have to go through a market impact assessment to ensure they are not anti competitive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/public_value_test/#part-5 but existing BBC services (ie everything other than iPlayer and BBC HD) have not been and will not be subject to such rigour... the public value test is a one way expansion valve, only allowing for new BBC services, never testing existing BBC services to see if they still make sense. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
On Thursday 01 May 2008 13:37:35 Brian Butterworth wrote: BTW, I've had a really bright idea to stop needing to 'top slice' the TV License Fee: There is a PSB funding option that no-one seems to be considering. It's a really, really, simple obvious one. It re-distributive, simple to implement, almost a no brainer, logical, doesn't hurt the BBC, no selling off of Chris Moyles and Terry Wogan. And here it is: *ADD A 3% TAX TO SUBSCRIPTION TELEVISION* How do you justify this ? Why not DVD sales? Why not cinema tickets? Why not theatre? Why not ... ? Are you you going to fund (say) libraries next by taxing cheap pulp books an extra 3% ? Add a 3% tax onto cinema to fund arts theatre grants ? How about an extra 3% on petrol to pay for free bicycles, as long as they are provably used ? What about an extra 3% on restaurants to fund soup kitchens? Ask many people why they subscribe to subscription TV, and many will respond with Because public service broadcasting doesn't actually show anything I want to watch, so these people already feel underserved by the BBC, etc and you're asking them to fund something they have *zero* (or next to zero) interest in? Whilst TV matters to a lot of people (including me :-) it is however *just* TV. Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer (unoffically) on the PS3
On 1 May 2008, at 11:15, David Woodhouse wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 10:39 +0100, David Johnston wrote: That's all very good - SWF is essentially the platform and FLV the format - but RTMP (the streaming delivery mechanism used by the flash-based iPlayer) is proprietary with no mature open-source alternative. Yeah, but we're getting there. http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gnash/libnet/rtmp.cpp? root=gnashview=log -- dwmw2 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This is interesting work. A couple of months go I was talking to a colleague about trying to get something like this working in MythTV. I'm going to take a look at this. B - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Open Flash
simon wrote: Adobe is removing restrictions on the use of the SWF and FLV/F4V specifications says Aral Balkan: http://aralbalkan.com/1332 Interesting, I thought. I'll be interested to get Dave Crossland's perspective on this. However the reasons for making the specifications restriction free are easy to understand. I haven't looked at it really yet, and I suspect that their motives are not clear by these actions... ...however, I may be misinterpreting a shift in direction for Adobe. I hope I am. -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer, loved by millions, disliked by a single US citizen
2008/5/1 Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 01 May 2008 13:37:35 Brian Butterworth wrote: BTW, I've had a really bright idea to stop needing to 'top slice' the TV License Fee: There is a PSB funding option that no-one seems to be considering. It's a really, really, simple obvious one. It re-distributive, simple to implement, almost a no brainer, logical, doesn't hurt the BBC, no selling off of Chris Moyles and Terry Wogan. And here it is: *ADD A 3% TAX TO SUBSCRIPTION TELEVISION* How do you justify this ? Why not DVD sales? Why not cinema tickets? Why not theatre? Why not ... ? Yoy may not have noticed but Channel 4 is a television channel. Are you you going to fund (say) libraries next by taxing cheap pulp books an extra 3% ? Add a 3% tax onto cinema to fund arts theatre grants ? How about an extra 3% on petrol to pay for free bicycles, as long as they are provably used ? What about an extra 3% on restaurants to fund soup kitchens? No. That's just being silly. Ask many people why they subscribe to subscription TV, and many will respond with Because public service broadcasting doesn't actually show anything I want to watch, so these people already feel underserved by the BBC, etc and you're asking them to fund something they have *zero* (or next to zero) interest in? Because the principle is to do with providing something for those people who have had the content taken away from them because other people pay for it. Whilst TV matters to a lot of people (including me :-) it is however *just* TV. Yes, a 3% level on subscription TV to support those people who can't afford it. Seems just and just TV to me. Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Open Flash
http://www.betanews.com/article/Adobe_looks_to_push_Flash_through_Open_Screen_Project/1209654493 *Adobe said Thursday it is looking to provide developers with a consistent runtime environment across multiple platforms, which allows for simpler and quicker development.* Adobe has lined up an impressive list of supporters to back the project, including ARM, Cisco, Intel, LG, Motorola, Qualcomm, Toshiba, and Verizon Wireless, among others. It has also gotten the blessing of several content providers including the *BBC*, MTV, and NBC. 2008/5/2 Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: simon wrote: Adobe is removing restrictions on the use of the SWF and FLV/F4V specifications says Aral Balkan: http://aralbalkan.com/1332 Interesting, I thought. I'll be interested to get Dave Crossland's perspective on this. However the reasons for making the specifications restriction free are easy to understand. I haven't looked at it really yet, and I suspect that their motives are not clear by these actions... ...however, I may be misinterpreting a shift in direction for Adobe. I hope I am. -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
