[backstage] Friday humour
Maybe time for some Friday humour, so I will begin: What is a shitzu? (you all reply: It's a dog!) Nah, it's a zoo with no animals in it HAHAHA Feel free to add to (or mute) this thread to make Fridays go a little faster. ./Matt
RE: [backstage] Friday humour
For MattÂ’s collection: I was walking past a building the other day, and all the people were shouting, 13...1313...13. The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the planks and looked through to see what was going on. Someone poked me in the eye with a stick and then they all started shouting. 14...14...1414. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Barber Sent: 06 June 2008 08:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Friday humour Maybe time for some Friday humour, so I will begin: What is a shitzu? (you all reply: It's a dog!) Nah, it's a zoo with no animals in it HAHAHA Feel free to add to (or mute) this thread to make Fridays go a little faster. ./Matt
RE: [backstage] Video recordings of the House of Commons on TheyWorkForYou.com
Now that you know what happens I bet you won't do that again... Cheers, jod From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Frank Wales Sent: Thu 6/5/2008 22:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Video recordings of the House of Commons on TheyWorkForYou.com John O'Donovan wrote: If you swear on this list for example, your trousers will fall down like a comedy clown. Huh. I did not know that. But how sensitive is this language-sensitive depant-o-tron? Let's find out... What word starts with 'f' and ends in 'uck'? Firetruck! Hey, look at that, my pants are still up. They're on fire, but they're still up. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Can't you send all traffic through port 80/443 anyway, using the proxy transparently to filter traffic. You could then allow the Kontiki traffic in the proxy ruleset? On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Graham Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list, so hello to everyone on it first of all. I work for a large schools broadband provider for a local authority. School's all use proxy servers for security/safety reasons, but would like to be able to download programmes. I can't see anywhere where one can set the client to use a proxy server in the BBC Iplayer download client. I've no problem opening the various outbound Kontiki ports, but I do not want to have to open ports 80/443, as these are locked down so that children must use the filtered access provided by the proxy server at each school. Graham - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Hi all, I'm new to this list, so hello to everyone on it first of all. I work for a large schools broadband provider for a local authority. School's all use proxy servers for security/safety reasons, but would like to be able to download programmes. I can't see anywhere where one can set the client to use a proxy server in the BBC Iplayer download client. I've no problem opening the various outbound Kontiki ports, but I do not want to have to open ports 80/443, as these are locked down so that children must use the filtered access provided by the proxy server at each school. Graham - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Matt Barber wrote: Can't you send all traffic through port 80/443 anyway, using the proxy transparently to filter traffic. You could then allow the Kontiki traffic in the proxy ruleset? The proxies don't operate in transparent mode. I'm aware of some cache appliances for schools that do, like Bloxx for example, but most don't. For now, i've opened port 80/443 to the BBC IP ranges as that seems to be where the HTTP/HTTPS requests are all headed, and I trust the BBC ip range to be sending us safe traffic. Even so it's less than ideal - proxy use in school's and corporate environments is defacto, and yet so many modern apps seem to be completely unaware of them. Graham. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Friday humour
Have you heard the one about the recursive bar? a bar walks into a bar walks into a bar walks into a bar walks into a bar ... *hangs head down in shame* On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Matt's collection: I was walking past a building the other day, and all the people were shouting, 13...1313...13. The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the planks and looked through to see what was going on. Someone poked me in the eye with a stick and then they all started shouting. 14...14...1414. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Barber Sent: 06 June 2008 08:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Friday humour Maybe time for some Friday humour, so I will begin: What is a shitzu? (you all reply: It's a dog!) Nah, it's a zoo with no animals in it HAHAHA Feel free to add to (or mute) this thread to make Fridays go a little faster. ./Matt - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Good idea :) For now, i've opened port 80/443 to the BBC IP ranges as that seems to be where the HTTP/HTTPS requests are all headed, and I trust the BBC ip range to be sending us safe traffic.
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Graham Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at 10:47 on 2008-06-06: Matt Barber wrote: Can't you send all traffic through port 80/443 anyway, using the proxy transparently to filter traffic. You could then allow the Kontiki traffic in the proxy ruleset? The proxies don't operate in transparent mode. I'm aware of some cache appliances for schools that do, like Bloxx for example, but most don't. [snip] Even so it's less than ideal - proxy use in school's and corporate environments is defacto, and yet so many modern apps seem to be completely unaware of them. It's been awhile since I last played with transparent proxying, but IIRC the proxy itself doesn't have to know that it's being given intercepted traffic rather than being connected to directly by clients and the router configuration needed to set up the redirection of 80 and 443 to the proxy is only a couple of lines. This being the case it's probably easier to fix your network configs than every application a user might wish to run. That said, the lack of configuration available to Kontiki users is a pain in the neck. I know several people who've uninstalled it because its non-adjustable upload was crippling their asymmetric cable/ADSL connections by delaying ACKs. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Steffan Davies wrote: It's been awhile since I last played with transparent proxying, but IIRC the proxy itself doesn't have to know that it's being given intercepted traffic rather than being connected to directly by clients and the router configuration needed to set up the redirection of 80 and 443 to the proxy is only a couple of lines. That's not my impression last time I looked at transparent proxying. The guides for setting up transparent proxies I have seen involve using SQUID in a reverse proxy mode, and then using say iptables to redirect the traffic from 80 to our proxy port. Besides, this is all moot, as you can't transparent proxy HTTPS. Once again, school's use cache appliances supported by a particular vendor. If their product doesn't support transparent proxying, then it doesn't support transparent proxying. This being the case it's probably easier to fix your network configs than every application a user might wish to run. I wouldn't call it fixing our config, I'd call it fixing someone elses's mistake, because application writers, who have large audiences using proxy servers, can't be bothered, or are too inept to support them. We have software suppliers who are specifically Education software suppliers who don't seem to get their heads around the idea that school's run proxy servers. That said, the lack of configuration available to Kontiki users is a pain in the neck. I know several people who've uninstalled it because its non-adjustable upload was crippling their asymmetric cable/ADSL connections by delaying ACKs. Wow, the upload is still non-adjustable? Poor. Graham. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Topics - in beta
lovely... really solid start IMHO... so when do we get machine readable versions of /topics ? They were promised soon for /programmes when that launched back in Oct 2007? ;o) 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: James, This does, indeed, look very promising. I'm hoping that we can have automatic links to these pages from the BBC News and other content pages. 2008/6/4 James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For those of you who don't read the (full RSS feed) at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/ you might have missed out on today's announcement - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/bbc_topics_in_beta.html With my personal developer hat on, I was impressed at Matt's bit of FAQ in his post that says: Can I get the feeds and build them into my own website or personal feeds? Yes, feeds will be available soon. Oooh. j -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Adding Subtitles/transcripts to /programmes pages
When at the BBC a couple of years ago i asked who owned copyright on BBC subtitles with a view to getting a feed onto backstage (remember the indies... and that subtitle creation is outsourced at least some of the time to Red Bee) answer came there none... i suspect because no-one had asked the question before, and therefore getting to an answer was Hard 2008/6/4 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan, 2008/6/4 Jonathan Hassell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tom - good question. I don't have the answer for you immediately but, as one of the people behind subtitling online at the BBC, I'll look into this for you. I'm really pleased to hear this. I've been going on about it for years and met with reasons why not. What would be LOVELY would be if the subtitles could be combined with timing information and then this could be linked to the iPlayer. So, you could come to Google (or the BBC Search) and enter a phrase you heard during a programme and not just find the programme and the timing, but directly link to the actual point in the programme on the iPlayer. J. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Wed Jun 04 09:31:21 2008 Subject: Re: [backstage] Adding Subtitles/transcripts to /programmes pages Sorry to bring this topic back up but i would really like to hear from some of the people in the BBC about it. Having the scripts of each show, either in pain text or other format, on the /programmes would be a great resource. it would allow people to search and find information/section of BBC content, which would attract users to the BBC, being a valuable index into the contents. This information, I would of expected to be, already be available from the subtitles that either BBC Subtitles or Red Bee (do they do BBC stuff as well as commercial stations?) so it shouldn't be a great effort to make this available. On a slightly selfish note, it would be great as I could use these on iplayer streams that don't have subtitles on my xmbc. I can easily see the xbmc-iplayer script being modified to be able to prefetch the programmes subtitles and play them with the stream. Would making this information publically available be a lot of effect? Am I being to hopeful? Many thanks Tom 2008/4/14 Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tom Jacobs wrote: i think it would be really useful if the BBC made available the subtitles for their TV shows via the /programmes pages (or any other accessible, searchable API). Yes, it would be nice. You can get access to them via a DVB card in your PC, of course, but because they're broadcast as pre-rendered bitmaps, you'd have to OCR them before you could do anything useful with them. A few people have gone down this road - some friends and I gave a talk and a demo on the subject back at Open Tech 2005. http://www.ukuug.org/events/opentech2005/schedule/stephen_jolly.pdf S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Friday humour
A skeleton walks into a bar. He says, I'll have a pint... and a mop - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
That's most likely down to the signal strength of the relatively cheap wireless chip inside the Wii. The distance between the console and the wireless access point will really make a difference to how well the iPlayer streams. Chris On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great idea, finally got around to trying it out. I do seem to have an issue with the video streaming - on the Wii it keeps stopping and starting, while watching the same programme on my MacBook Pro works fine without any stuttering at all.. the two devices share the same Wifi connection, so not sure what the difference is? Cheers, Mario. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Chris Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using the iPlayer on the Wii quite a lot recently and felt the interface could be improved to make navigation easier on the Wii's low resolution. Because of this, I've created an alternative interface that integrates better with the Wii UI and hopefully improves usability. To use it just point your Wii browser at: http://defaced.co.uk/wiiplayer/ More information and screenshots can be found here: http://defaced.co.uk/blog/index.php/2008/05/28/wiiplayer-the-better-way-to-view-the-bbc-iplayer/ There are still a few rough edges here and there but I think it works well overall. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Chris
[backstage] iPlayer - turning it up to 11
Hi all, Some of you may have already noticed this, but I'd just like to pass on my thanks to whoever it was that made the volume in the iPlayer (and associated BBC .flv players) go up to 11. A small touch, but one that makes me smile every time I turn it up to 11 :o) Chris
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
I also had a lot of success in getting my Wii to be reliable by playing around with which wireless channel was being used. It sounded unlikely to me but seems to have worked. There's a load of pages out on the web about tweaking the settings to get them to work nicely. --billy On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Chris Johnson wrote: That's most likely down to the signal strength of the relatively cheap wireless chip inside the Wii. The distance between the console and the wireless access point will really make a difference to how well the iPlayer streams. Chris On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great idea, finally got around to trying it out. I do seem to have an issue with the video streaming - on the Wii it keeps stopping and starting, while watching the same programme on my MacBook Pro works fine without any stuttering at all.. the two devices share the same Wifi connection, so not sure what the difference is? Cheers, Mario. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Chris Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using the iPlayer on the Wii quite a lot recently and felt the interface could be improved to make navigation easier on the Wii's low resolution. Because of this, I've created an alternative interface that integrates better with the Wii UI and hopefully improves usability. To use it just point your Wii browser at: http://defaced.co.uk/wiiplayer/ More information and screenshots can be found here: http://defaced.co.uk/blog/index.php/2008/05/28/wiiplayer-the-better-way-to-view-the-bbc-iplayer/ There are still a few rough edges here and there but I think it works well overall. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Chris - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Graham Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at 11:37 on 2008-06-06: That's not my impression last time I looked at transparent proxying. The guides for setting up transparent proxies I have seen involve using SQUID in a reverse proxy mode, and then using say iptables to redirect the traffic from 80 to our proxy port. Besides, this is all moot, as you can't transparent proxy HTTPS. I've just tested it out - for recent versions all you need to do is add the transparent keyword to squid's config. Other than that it's just a matter of redirecting the packets using whatever firewall/router you have in place. You're right about HTTPS, of course, though a filtering proxy loses a lot of advantages with HTTPS, since it can only go by hostname rather than examining content, at which point you could probably achieve a similar result at the IP or DNS level. Once again, school's use cache appliances supported by a particular vendor. If their product doesn't support transparent proxying, then it doesn't support transparent proxying. Fair, though that sort of inflexibility is one reason why I've come to dislike the appliance model of computing. Probably pretty much unavoidable in a school environment though, I suppose. I wouldn't call it fixing our config, I'd call it fixing someone elses's mistake, because application writers, who have large audiences using proxy servers, can't be bothered, or are too inept to support them. Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that your config was broken, just that it's probably easier to change a/some central points on your network(s) rather than lobbying all of the many application vendors you might encounter to add the feature to their apps, desirable though it obviously is. A friend of mine came up with a nice approach to this sort of problem a while back which involved using an image-aware packet sniffer* at the network gateway and displaying the results on a large plasma screen in reception. Probably not appropriate in a school environment though ;-) * http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/driftnet/ - fun! S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
Billy Abbott wrote: I also had a lot of success in getting my Wii to be reliable by playing around with which wireless channel was being used. It sounded unlikely to me but seems to have worked. There's a load of pages out on the web about tweaking the settings to get them to work nicely. Any pointers? Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Adding Subtitles/transcripts to /programmes pages
Yeah, I last asked about this on 4 October 2007 15:47... 2008/6/6 Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When at the BBC a couple of years ago i asked who owned copyright on BBC subtitles with a view to getting a feed onto backstage (remember the indies... and that subtitle creation is outsourced at least some of the time to Red Bee) answer came there none... i suspect because no-one had asked the question before, and therefore getting to an answer was Hard 2008/6/4 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan, 2008/6/4 Jonathan Hassell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tom - good question. I don't have the answer for you immediately but, as one of the people behind subtitling online at the BBC, I'll look into this for you. I'm really pleased to hear this. I've been going on about it for years and met with reasons why not. What would be LOVELY would be if the subtitles could be combined with timing information and then this could be linked to the iPlayer. So, you could come to Google (or the BBC Search) and enter a phrase you heard during a programme and not just find the programme and the timing, but directly link to the actual point in the programme on the iPlayer. J. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Wed Jun 04 09:31:21 2008 Subject: Re: [backstage] Adding Subtitles/transcripts to /programmes pages Sorry to bring this topic back up but i would really like to hear from some of the people in the BBC about it. Having the scripts of each show, either in pain text or other format, on the /programmes would be a great resource. it would allow people to search and find information/section of BBC content, which would attract users to the BBC, being a valuable index into the contents. This information, I would of expected to be, already be available from the subtitles that either BBC Subtitles or Red Bee (do they do BBC stuff as well as commercial stations?) so it shouldn't be a great effort to make this available. On a slightly selfish note, it would be great as I could use these on iplayer streams that don't have subtitles on my xmbc. I can easily see the xbmc-iplayer script being modified to be able to prefetch the programmes subtitles and play them with the stream. Would making this information publically available be a lot of effect? Am I being to hopeful? Many thanks Tom 2008/4/14 Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tom Jacobs wrote: i think it would be really useful if the BBC made available the subtitles for their TV shows via the /programmes pages (or any other accessible, searchable API). Yes, it would be nice. You can get access to them via a DVB card in your PC, of course, but because they're broadcast as pre-rendered bitmaps, you'd have to OCR them before you could do anything useful with them. A few people have gone down this road - some friends and I gave a talk and a demo on the subject back at Open Tech 2005. http://www.ukuug.org/events/opentech2005/schedule/stephen_jolly.pdf S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Steffan Davies wrote: Graham Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at 11:37 on 2008-06-06: I've just tested it out - for recent versions all you need to do is add the transparent keyword to squid's config. Other than that it's just a matter of redirecting the packets using whatever firewall/router you have in place. It would require the developer to re-engineer their cache solution. Seems excessive. You're right about HTTPS, of course, though a filtering proxy loses a lot of advantages with HTTPS, since it can only go by hostname rather than examining content, at which point you could probably achieve a similar result at the IP or DNS level. Engineer a whole new way of doing filtering based on DNS? You'll forgive me if I pass on that. Fair, though that sort of inflexibility is one reason why I've come to dislike the appliance model of computing. Probably pretty much unavoidable in a school environment though, I suppose. It's pretty much unavoidable in any environment that is interested in running properly managed, stable IT services. Changing the entire way you proxy and filter an environment because some application developers are lazy/inept is poor IT management policy. Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that your config was broken, just that it's probably easier to change a/some central points on your network(s) rather than lobbying all of the many application vendors you might encounter to add the feature to their apps, desirable though it obviously is. Problem is, if you don't make a fuss, developers get away scott free, whilst administrators have to work on more hacks for their networks. More hacks almost always equals wasted time, money and less stability. iPlayer must have a significant audience in schools, the defacto standard for access is HTTP proxy; not direct, and not transparent proxy. A friend of mine came up with a nice approach to this sort of problem a while back which involved using an image-aware packet sniffer* at the network gateway and displaying the results on a large plasma screen in reception. Probably not appropriate in a school environment though ;-) Given some of the stuff the kids search for, let's say it would interesting. Graham. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
I've seen that changing the channel to a few down the line helps, so if it's on 1 or 3, try 6 or 9/vice versa. If you want to try this also you can download NetStumbler [1] and look at the graph, then you can change your settings and compare results in different parts of your house based on signal strength. There's also a sound you can activate so you don't have to be near your PC to see if the strength has increased or not. If you need to know how to set that up give me a shout. Other tips are to disable encryption (not really recommended), that uses overhead... rotate the Wii so the antenna changes orientation, that sort of thing I guess. [1] - NetStumbler - http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/ Any pointers?
Re: [backstage] iPlayer - turning it up to 11
My sentiments exactly. It's little things like this that remind me that I love the Beeb :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Chris Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have already noticed this, but I'd just like to pass on my thanks to whoever it was that made the volume in the iPlayer (and associated BBC .flv players) go up to 11. A small touch, but one that makes me smile every time I turn it up to 11 :o) Chris - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
But wouldn't you need Netstumbler for the Wii, if the problem is the Wii's Weedy Wifi chip? Tom On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen that changing the channel to a few down the line helps, so if it's on 1 or 3, try 6 or 9/vice versa. If you want to try this also you can download NetStumbler [1] and look at the graph, then you can change your settings and compare results in different parts of your house based on signal strength. There's also a sound you can activate so you don't have to be near your PC to see if the strength has increased or not. If you need to know how to set that up give me a shout. Other tips are to disable encryption (not really recommended), that uses overhead... rotate the Wii so the antenna changes orientation, that sort of thing I guess. [1] - NetStumbler - http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/ Any pointers? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Friday humour
Some of these jokes are terrible! :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean DALY Sent: 06 June 2008 11:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Friday humour A skeleton walks into a bar. He says, I'll have a pint... and a mop - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Friday humour
What do you call a three legged donkey? A wonky. What do you call a three legged donkey with one eye? A winky wonky. What do you call a three legged donkey with one eye playing the piano? A plinky plonky winky wonky. Shall I continue? :) -- Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global News Division * http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ * 702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 06 June 2008 16:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Friday humour Some of these jokes are terrible! :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean DALY Sent: 06 June 2008 11:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Friday humour A skeleton walks into a bar. He says, I'll have a pint... and a mop - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Friday humour
A man walking down the street noticed a small boy trying to reach the doorbell of a house. Even when he jumped up, he couldn't quite reach it .The man decided to help the boy, walked up on to the porch and pushed the doorbell. He looked down at the boy, smiled and asked, What now? The boy answered, Now we run like crazy! Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Ian Forrester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 June 2008 16:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Friday humour Some of these jokes are terrible! :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean DALY Sent: 06 June 2008 11:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Friday humour A skeleton walks into a bar. He says, I'll have a pint... and a mop - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Video recordings of the House of Commons on TheyWorkForYou.com
John O'Donovan wrote: Now that you know what happens I bet you won't do that again... Actually, I think that behaviour is a bug, but as I'm now out of scratch pantaloons to test with, I'll leave it for others more versed in surprise linguo-tailoring incidents to investigate. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Friday humour
Do you know what E.T. is short for? he's got short legs From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Friday humour Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:57:21 +0100 A man walking down the street noticed a small boy trying to reach the doorbell of a house. Even when he jumped up, he couldn't quite reach it .The man decided to help the boy, walked up on to the porch and pushed the doorbell. He looked down at the boy, smiled and asked, What now? The boy answered, Now we run like crazy! Gavin Pearce | Junior Web Developer | TBS The Columbia Centre, Market Street, Bracknell, RG12 1JG, United Kingdom Direct: +44 (0) 1344 403488 | Office: +44 (0) 1344 306011 | Fax: +44 (0) 1344 427138 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Yahoo: pearce.gavin | Skype: tbs.gavin www.tbs.uk.com http://www.tbs.uk.com/ TBS is a trading name of Technology Services International Limited. Registered in England, company number 2079459. -Original Message- From: Ian Forrester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 June 2008 16:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Friday humour Some of these jokes are terrible! :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean DALY Sent: 06 June 2008 11:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Friday humour A skeleton walks into a bar. He says, I'll have a pint... and a mop - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This message has been scanned for viruses by Viatel MailControl - http://viatel.mailcontrol.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ _ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001004ukm/direct/01/
Re: [backstage] Friday humour
What do you call a three legged donkey with one eye playing the piano while wearing shades? A honky tonky plinky plonky winky wonky. On 6 Jun 2008, at 16:54, Gareth Davis wrote: What do you call a three legged donkey? A wonky. What do you call a three legged donkey with one eye? A winky wonky. What do you call a three legged donkey with one eye playing the piano? A plinky plonky winky wonky. Shall I continue? :) -- Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global News Division * http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ * 702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 06 June 2008 16:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Friday humour Some of these jokes are terrible! :) Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean DALY Sent: 06 June 2008 11:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Friday humour A skeleton walks into a bar. He says, I'll have a pint... and a mop - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ --- Tim Duckett +44 (0) 7525 786 492 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] proxy support in BBC iplayer download client
Graham Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at 15:44 on 2008-06-06: Steffan Davies wrote: Graham Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at 11:37 on 2008-06-06: I've just tested it out - for recent versions all you need to do is add the transparent keyword to squid's config. Other than that it's just a matter of redirecting the packets using whatever firewall/router you have in place. It would require the developer to re-engineer their cache solution. Seems excessive. To work with every current or future application whose developer isn't able or willing to implement proxy support? Seems quite a nice tick-list feature to me, though I suppose it depends how technical an audience you're marketing to. Engineer a whole new way of doing filtering based on DNS? You'll forgive me if I pass on that. You have (or your vendor has) already engineered one based on URLs - the DNS case is actually probably simpler. The ongoing difficulty lies in getting your list of things-to-block and keeping it up to date, which you've already done. Again not a bad additional feature, it seems to me. Fair, though that sort of inflexibility is one reason why I've come to dislike the appliance model of computing. Probably pretty much unavoidable in a school environment though, I suppose. It's pretty much unavoidable in any environment that is interested in running properly managed, stable IT services. Changing the entire way you proxy and filter an environment because some application developers are lazy/inept is poor IT management policy. I think we may be talking at cross purposes here, unless you mean to say that it's impossible to run properly managed, stable services without buying lots of pre-configured boxes. Some of the most irritating problems I've worked on as a sysadmin have been with such devices when their design assumptions don't quite match reality. (Much, in fact, as the Kontiki platform's design assumptions don't match a school/corporate network topology). Your second point I absolutely agree with in principle but in practice as you've mentioned lots of apps will break in a proxied environment. I don't expect that situation to improve much overnight, for exactly the reasons of developer laziness/ineptitude you cite. Problem is, if you don't make a fuss, developers get away scott free, whilst administrators have to work on more hacks for their networks. More hacks almost always equals wasted time, money and less stability. iPlayer must have a significant audience in schools, the defacto standard for access is HTTP proxy; not direct, and not transparent proxy. Again, I quite agree. In the case of the iPlayer it'd certainly be nice to see proxy support, though I'd imagine fixing some of the problems it causes for typical NATed home users will be more of a priority. A friend of mine came up with a nice approach to this sort of problem a while back which involved using an image-aware packet sniffer* at the network gateway and displaying the results on a large plasma screen in reception. Probably not appropriate in a school environment though ;-) Given some of the stuff the kids search for, let's say it would interesting. The mists are clearing, and dimly I see a Daily Mail front page forming... S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Topics - in beta
there are a few machine readable page types available: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/developers#alternateserialisations more to come quite soon. (warm up that triple store) best-- --cs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom Loosemore Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 11:16 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Topics - in beta lovely... really solid start IMHO... so when do we get machine readable versions of /topics ? They were promised soon for /programmes when that launched back in Oct 2007? ;o) 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: James, This does, indeed, look very promising. I'm hoping that we can have automatic links to these pages from the BBC News and other content pages. 2008/6/4 James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For those of you who don't read the (full RSS feed) at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/ you might have missed out on today's announcement - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/bbc_topics_in_beta.html With my personal developer hat on, I was impressed at Matt's bit of FAQ in his post that says: Can I get the feeds and build them into my own website or personal feeds? Yes, feeds will be available soon. Oooh. j -- Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] An alternative iPlayer interface for the Wii
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Phil Wilson wrote: Billy Abbott wrote: I also had a lot of success in getting my Wii to be reliable by playing around with which wireless channel was being used. It sounded unlikely to me but seems to have worked. There's a load of pages out on the web about tweaking the settings to get them to work nicely. Any pointers? I can't find the article I read when I fixed it, but Nintendo mention that channels 1 and 11 are good as they don't overlap with other channel. There's a bunch of other stuff from them on this page as well: http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en_na/onlineWirelessRouterTroubleshooting.jsp --billy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Topics - in beta
Great stuff Programmes team. .M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sizemore Sent: 07 June 2008 04:14 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Topics - in beta there are a few machine readable page types available: HYPERLINK http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/developers#alternateserialisationshttp://w ww.bbc.co.uk/programmes/developers#alternateserialisations more to come quite soon. (warm up that triple store) best-- --cs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom Loosemore Sent: Fri 6/6/2008 11:16 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Topics - in beta lovely... really solid start IMHO... so when do we get machine readable versions of /topics ? They were promised soon for /programmes when that launched back in Oct 2007? ;o) 2008/6/5 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: James, This does, indeed, look very promising. I'm hoping that we can have automatic links to these pages from the BBC News and other content pages. 2008/6/4 James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For those of you who don't read the (full RSS feed) at HYPERLINK http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinter net/ you might have missed out on today's announcement - HYPERLINK http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/bbc_topics_in_beta.htmlhttp ://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/bbc_topics_in_beta.html With my personal developer hat on, I was impressed at Matt's bit of FAQ in his post that says: Can I get the feeds and build them into my own website or personal feeds? Yes, feeds will be available soon. Oooh. j -- Brian Butterworth HYPERLINK http://www.ukfree.tvhttp://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit HYPERLINK http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.htmlhttp://backst age.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: HYPERLINK http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/http://www.mail-arch ive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1486 - Release Date: 05/06/2008 18:29 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1486 - Release Date: 05/06/2008 18:29
