Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
2008/7/3 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting question to the backstage community... If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in I think its misguided for the BBC to require any particular kind of technology, since it is a publicaly funded organisation it ought not to exclude members of the public for using any particular software. This applies equally to accessing its services and to entering its competitions. An exception to this might be requiring the use of BBC technology (assuming it is free software) - so for example, a Kamaelia competition. Cheers, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
I agree whole heartedly with Michael here, Personally, I prefer competitions that have a goal based upon the end user experience rather than technologies the application utilises. So build an app which encourages the over 60s to listen to BBC 1xtra rather than build an app using AIR. Again, the focus is on the what, rather than the how. Andy (positively personal opinion, surely) On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2008 16:41:00 Ian Forrester wrote: .. If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in Adobe Air, how would people feel about that? Suppose Blue Peter ran a competition for a new toy, but required that children only use Lego, what that be reasonable? I think the discussion has gone off at a tangent (largely due to political ranting presented as fact and the One True Truth). It strikes me that you're asking how would people feel we ran a competion that required a particular vendor's technology. I'd personally feel that the vendor should run the competition myself. (just feels like free advertising otherwise) That's obviously my personal views though. /Personally/ I think it would be more appropriate to suggest a competition where the result was a cross platform desktop application which should work on (say) Windows, Mac os X and Linux (and ideally not limited to those, but they're the most common). That opens up the doors to a variety of different things, including Adobe Air. I suspect you'd get a lot more interesting variety - since you'd also open it up to all sorts of things (including tech from the BBC...). ie focus the competition on the what, rather than the how. Regarding Alia's question I think you'd need to clarify if this is a competition without a prize which would probably mean BBC people could join in, or whether it was competition with a prize, in which case we probably couldn't... (cf competition rules in even things like Doctor Who Adventures magazine :-) That said, any competition is better than none - after all, its the taking part and having fun that matters... :-) Regards, Michael. (all personal thoughts) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Quick idea for BBC News video
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm not so sure, its actually a good idea I think. A simple querystring element which starts the video as soon as possible. I'll put it in our ideas section, including your reason why not :) Peter Bowyer wrote: You pretty much talked yourself out of that one, then :-) Peter 2008/7/4 Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, just browsing the news and I wanted to send a link to a friend, and was wondering if it would be good to have a switch we could append to the URL, to make the video play automatically. Unsure if this would in some ways be detrimental - i.e. I could then force someone to unwittingly start a video, and at work with the sound up that could cause problems for some people, also maybe it's a feature that noone would use... but yeh, just a thought. As it's said, the signal is the noise! Ta, Matt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIbgb4QiJ2fWCDT3cRArnVAJ0Wgi5kbHA5BYTg98RO4pBx63EkwACdF/iK yWnszMfbrFtqlvTUJ3rZr+I= =WdIV -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So a little history I was approached by a large company to run a competition based on there technology. The base technology was xml but required there software to play it back. I did turn down the offer for many of the reasons brought up on the list recently. I did feel this should have done in a more transparent way but I never said no as such, so it could still happen. However about competitions, we have a couple of competitions planned already its just a matter of when. We feel its better to launch competitions around new APIs/sets of Data rather that technologies. I might be wrong, but generally a new API can really spark ideas. Cheers, Ian Forrester See some of you at OpenTech08, where we might be launching something :) Ben O'Connor wrote: Hi Everyone, I agree with Alia, can't we all just get along ? If this is to be a competition about rich internet applications, then the competition could be open to AIR and alternatives, such as Google Gears etc. That is likely to appeal to our various sub-communities better. Also, wouldn't that be interesting in itself ?! All these fevered developers taking an opening concept and applying it to their 'colours' about open this, proprietary that. I'm sure the end user isn't bothered, as long as the final result is something that makes them get all teary and touch the screen, as they whisper home. Offering guidelines but not restrictions makes it more like a sort of X-prize or Darpa race then. With a broad goal to work toward, that leaves plenty of room to go off in different directions and that allows for a nice, healthy gorge of innovation and ideas. That's how I feel about it anyway. Ben O'Connor On 4 Jul 2008, at 03:39, Alia Sheikh wrote: Oh I promised myself that I wouldn;t get involved, but yay Godzilla! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RFEzpUsUBk Ian - I'd like to know more about the competition. If all we know is that it's using AIR then that's all we'll argue^H^H^H^H^Htalk about. Whats it actually going to be? Is Backstage runnning it or is someone else? Also are competitions going to be a regular thing/will we get to play with lots of stuff eventually or is this a one off? Oh, and I crush everything:) Alia Richard Lockwood wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/3 Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If we ran a competition which required the final prototype to be in Adobe Air, how would people feel about that? No problem with that. There is a large problem with that - Adobe Air is proprietary software, so it ought to be boycotted. You boycott it Dave, if it makes you happy. The rest of us can carry on living in the real world. It's using a new technology and product to encourage development, and the technology is available to end users easily and with little effort, on multiple platforms. But it tramples our freedom and community, which are more important. No Dave, you're thinking of Godzilla. Rich. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIbglrQiJ2fWCDT3cRAjgPAJ9i8X9QUXy0GQqzA9JxKF1VdLo6nwCeMomF LtVMZpOxwghKA/nPHvpDevA= =nqL1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:40:58 +0100
2008/7/4 Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was approached by a large company to run a competition based on there technology. The base technology was xml but required there software to play it back. I assume it was proprietary software :-( I did turn down the offer for many of the reasons brought up on the list recently. Thank you! I did feel this should have done in a more transparent way but I never said no as such, so it could still happen. I hope you will stand firm and continue to defend the software freedom of those accessing BBC services. -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
