RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex
Ah see if the Plex guys didn't fork so far away they could have used XBMC's code. I say that as a massive fan of XBMC for 10 years and a regular users and contributor (so ignore my jest) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 29 September 2009 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Ian (and other posters), Many thanks for all the suggestions and ideas - much appreciated. I had originally tried to get the iPlayer RTMP streams playing inside a third-party Flash player, but nothing I tried would get them to play. I did also take a look at the XBMC plugin for inspiration (Plex is forked from XBMC), but they seem to be using their own proprietary RTMP player, which isn't easily available for us to use in Plex. In the end I gave up with trying to get the raw streams to work outside of the original flash player. Instead, I'm using Plex's rather neat webkit page-cropping approach, which finds the iPlayer swf file on a page loaded from bbc.co.uk/iplayer and displays the page in cropped form to just show the video part of the player. I also did some digging around in the iPlayer javascript files and found that the iPlayer swf file has a Javascript API, which I've taken advantage of for playing and pausing playback, and for tracking progress via JS callbacks. It's all working rather well (until the iPlayer site next changes at least), using the RSS and JSON feeds to obtain the programme info and then using this webkit approach for playback. If you'd like to give it a try, you can download Plex here (it's open source and free): http://www.plexapp.com/ The iPlayer plugin can be downloaded and installed from the in-app App Store. It would still be good to access the RTMP streams directly - and this would probably be more reliable in the long term. Is there any magic involved in getting them to play? Has anyone found a third-party flash-based player (ideally with useful JavaScript hooks) for doing so? Thanks again for the help! - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:55:23 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Dave, Have a look at the XBMC iplayer plugin which you should be able to leverage. http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayerv2/ I use it personally to watch iplayer from my home media centre (XBMC 2.1) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 29 September 2009 07:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex 2009/9/28 Dave Addey listma...@addey.com Hi Backstage, I've been working on fixing the iPlayer plugin for the Mac OS X media centre app Plex. The updated plugin seems to be working pretty well by reading the BBC RSS feeds and JSON feeds, but I have a few questions: 1) Are there any issues with integrating iPlayer into an app like Plex? (I'm not trying to work around the geographical restrictions on iPlayer access, I should add - I'm just providing a wrapper for the iPlayer flash player from within Plex.) I'm aware that doing so could be likely to break at any time if the iPlayer site were to change. (You can view Plex here: http://www.plexapp.com/) Yes, this is the make your stuff with our stuff BBC Backstage line. 2) Assuming this isn't a problem legally, is there anywhere I can find a list of all of the potential subcategories / subgenres used by iPlayer? I can see a list of those with at least one current programme assigned to them, but I don't know if this list is complete. For example, Children's Activities, Children's Animation, etc. I think you have to work it out from what's out there. 3) Is there a feed (RSS / JSON / something else) which can be used for searching? Yes, do a search from the iPlayer page and scrape it for URLs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=S http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=Manor earchTerm Thanks in advance for any help! - Dave. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:
[backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/29/bbc-hd-encryption Ok I know we talked about it before but here he (cory) is again, but this time in the Guardian. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Please add cross domain AJAX for /programmes information
Hello! Just to confirm - our latest release has that change in. $ curl -I http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mzdrh.rdf HTTP/1.0 200 OK Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:30:25 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) domain=bbc.co.uk; Expires: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:40:25 GMT Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * Content-Length: 2311 X-BBC-Licence-URL: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/terms_of_use.html X-BBC-Licence-Text: Access to and use of this feed is for non-commercial use only and is covered by the BBC Backstage Terms of Use Content-Type: application/rdf+xml Connection: keep-alive Proxy-Connection: keep-alive Cheers, y On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Ross Thomas r...@mena-tech.net wrote: Great, thanks Yves. Brian, thanks for your idea. I would however like to get it working on a php-less site. However as very few browsers support cross site AJAX then I may go for it at a later date. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Yves Raimond yves.raim...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to get this header added to the RDF files as well? This would allow cross site ajax for these files as well as for the player.xml files. This is indeed very weird - thanks for pointing that out! We'll look into it and keep you posted. Found and fixed. It should be in there for the next release (next week I think). Cheers, y - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Best Regards Ross Thomas r...@mena-tech.net +44 (0)7900243102 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex
Heh! I've only just really explored both, having scraped along for ages with a hacked Apple TV. But now my Mac Mini has arrived, I'm trying to shape it into the media centre I've always dreamed of, hence my work on the iPlayer plugin. And Plex has a prettier default UI that XBMC on OS X, so I got distracted by its shiny shininess. You should give it a try :) - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:41:29 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Ah see if the Plex guys didn't fork so far away they could have used XBMC's code. I say that as a massive fan of XBMC for 10 years and a regular users and contributor (so ignore my jest) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 29 September 2009 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Ian (and other posters), Many thanks for all the suggestions and ideas - much appreciated. I had originally tried to get the iPlayer RTMP streams playing inside a third-party Flash player, but nothing I tried would get them to play. I did also take a look at the XBMC plugin for inspiration (Plex is forked from XBMC), but they seem to be using their own proprietary RTMP player, which isn't easily available for us to use in Plex. In the end I gave up with trying to get the raw streams to work outside of the original flash player. Instead, I'm using Plex's rather neat webkit page-cropping approach, which finds the iPlayer swf file on a page loaded from bbc.co.uk/iplayer and displays the page in cropped form to just show the video part of the player. I also did some digging around in the iPlayer javascript files and found that the iPlayer swf file has a Javascript API, which I've taken advantage of for playing and pausing playback, and for tracking progress via JS callbacks. It's all working rather well (until the iPlayer site next changes at least), using the RSS and JSON feeds to obtain the programme info and then using this webkit approach for playback. If you'd like to give it a try, you can download Plex here (it's open source and free): http://www.plexapp.com/ The iPlayer plugin can be downloaded and installed from the in-app App Store. It would still be good to access the RTMP streams directly - and this would probably be more reliable in the long term. Is there any magic involved in getting them to play? Has anyone found a third-party flash-based player (ideally with useful JavaScript hooks) for doing so? Thanks again for the help! - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:55:23 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Dave, Have a look at the XBMC iplayer plugin which you should be able to leverage. http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayerv2/ I use it personally to watch iplayer from my home media centre (XBMC 2.1) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 29 September 2009 07:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex 2009/9/28 Dave Addey listma...@addey.com Hi Backstage, I've been working on fixing the iPlayer plugin for the Mac OS X media centre app Plex. The updated plugin seems to be working pretty well by reading the BBC RSS feeds and JSON feeds, but I have a few questions: 1) Are there any issues with integrating iPlayer into an app like Plex? (I'm not trying to work around the geographical restrictions on iPlayer access, I should add - I'm just providing a wrapper for the iPlayer flash player from within Plex.) I'm aware that doing so could be likely to break at any time if the iPlayer site were to change. (You can view Plex here: http://www.plexapp.com/) Yes, this is the make your stuff with our stuff BBC Backstage line. 2) Assuming this isn't a problem legally, is there anywhere I can find a list of all of the potential subcategories / subgenres used by iPlayer? I can see a list of those with at least one current programme assigned to them, but I don't know if this list is complete. For example, Children's Activities, Children's Animation, etc. I think you have to work it out from what's out there. 3) Is there a feed (RSS / JSON / something else) which can be used for
Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/29/bbc-hd-encryption Ok I know we talked about it before but here he (cory) is again, but this time in the Guardian. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk (here's hoping this works) While I don't support this obfuscation of SI information, a lot of the arguments in that article aren't particularly good or don't make sense. Also because one can't have a reasoned discussion in any newspaper comment section these days, I will make my point here. Break existing equipment, such as HD laptop cards that have open drivers. Because of DVB-T2, no such devices are on the market yet. Generate a mountain of e-waste, because manufacturers won't be able to produce set-top boxes that downsample the HD signal and feed it through a digital output to existing SD tuners and recorders. No idea what he's talking about here. If an STB could decode the H.264, why would downscaling be a primary function of the device? What digital output is he talking about? Freeze out British entrepreneurs, such as the manufacturers of the Promise TV, who produce video recorders that run on open source software. If anything the open source community will be the first to find a workaround. There are a lot of programs out there to read damaged transport streams - ITV HD on Freesat was slightly obfuscated as an h.222 stream but people made it work. BBC HD used MBAFF in H.264 and someone wrote a patch. The same will happen or people will just continue to use satellite. Kieran. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex
My UI on XBMC is stunning, actually it's the same as Plex - http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/tags/xbmc I use to run XBMC on my Xbox and still have it for backup. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 30 September 2009 16:50 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Heh! I've only just really explored both, having scraped along for ages with a hacked Apple TV. But now my Mac Mini has arrived, I'm trying to shape it into the media centre I've always dreamed of, hence my work on the iPlayer plugin. And Plex has a prettier default UI that XBMC on OS X, so I got distracted by its shiny shininess. You should give it a try :) - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:41:29 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Ah see if the Plex guys didn't fork so far away they could have used XBMC's code. I say that as a massive fan of XBMC for 10 years and a regular users and contributor (so ignore my jest) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 29 September 2009 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Ian (and other posters), Many thanks for all the suggestions and ideas - much appreciated. I had originally tried to get the iPlayer RTMP streams playing inside a third-party Flash player, but nothing I tried would get them to play. I did also take a look at the XBMC plugin for inspiration (Plex is forked from XBMC), but they seem to be using their own proprietary RTMP player, which isn't easily available for us to use in Plex. In the end I gave up with trying to get the raw streams to work outside of the original flash player. Instead, I'm using Plex's rather neat webkit page-cropping approach, which finds the iPlayer swf file on a page loaded from bbc.co.uk/iplayer and displays the page in cropped form to just show the video part of the player. I also did some digging around in the iPlayer javascript files and found that the iPlayer swf file has a Javascript API, which I've taken advantage of for playing and pausing playback, and for tracking progress via JS callbacks. It's all working rather well (until the iPlayer site next changes at least), using the RSS and JSON feeds to obtain the programme info and then using this webkit approach for playback. If you'd like to give it a try, you can download Plex here (it's open source and free): http://www.plexapp.com/ The iPlayer plugin can be downloaded and installed from the in-app App Store. It would still be good to access the RTMP streams directly - and this would probably be more reliable in the long term. Is there any magic involved in getting them to play? Has anyone found a third-party flash-based player (ideally with useful JavaScript hooks) for doing so? Thanks again for the help! - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:55:23 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Dave, Have a look at the XBMC iplayer plugin which you should be able to leverage. http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayerv2/ I use it personally to watch iplayer from my home media centre (XBMC 2.1) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 29 September 2009 07:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex 2009/9/28 Dave Addey listma...@addey.com Hi Backstage, I've been working on fixing the iPlayer plugin for the Mac OS X media centre app Plex. The updated plugin seems to be working pretty well by reading the BBC RSS feeds and JSON feeds, but I have a few questions: 1) Are there any issues with integrating iPlayer into an app like Plex? (I'm not trying to work around the geographical restrictions on iPlayer access, I should add - I'm just providing a wrapper for the iPlayer flash player from within Plex.) I'm aware that doing so could be likely to break at any time if the iPlayer site were to change. (You can view Plex here:
RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
Cory's piece is inaccurate in many respects - see this http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Kieran Kunhya Sent: 30 September 2009 17:37 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/29/bbc-hd-encryption Ok I know we talked about it before but here he (cory) is again, but this time in the Guardian. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk (here's hoping this works) While I don't support this obfuscation of SI information, a lot of the arguments in that article aren't particularly good or don't make sense. Also because one can't have a reasoned discussion in any newspaper comment section these days, I will make my point here. Break existing equipment, such as HD laptop cards that have open drivers. Because of DVB-T2, no such devices are on the market yet. Generate a mountain of e-waste, because manufacturers won't be able to produce set-top boxes that downsample the HD signal and feed it through a digital output to existing SD tuners and recorders. No idea what he's talking about here. If an STB could decode the H.264, why would downscaling be a primary function of the device? What digital output is he talking about? Freeze out British entrepreneurs, such as the manufacturers of the Promise TV, who produce video recorders that run on open source software. If anything the open source community will be the first to find a workaround. There are a lot of programs out there to read damaged transport streams - ITV HD on Freesat was slightly obfuscated as an h.222 stream but people made it work. BBC HD used MBAFF in H.264 and someone wrote a patch. The same will happen or people will just continue to use satellite. Kieran. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex
So it is (stunning), and so it is (the same) :) I should have given XBMC more of a try. Ah well. Dave. From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:59:23 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex My UI on XBMC is stunning, actually it's the same as Plex - http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/tags/xbmc I use to run XBMC on my Xbox and still have it for backup. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 30 September 2009 16:50 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Heh! I've only just really explored both, having scraped along for ages with a hacked Apple TV. But now my Mac Mini has arrived, I'm trying to shape it into the media centre I've always dreamed of, hence my work on the iPlayer plugin. And Plex has a prettier default UI that XBMC on OS X, so I got distracted by its shiny shininess. You should give it a try :) - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:41:29 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Ah see if the Plex guys didn't fork so far away they could have used XBMC's code. I say that as a massive fan of XBMC for 10 years and a regular users and contributor (so ignore my jest) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 29 September 2009 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Ian (and other posters), Many thanks for all the suggestions and ideas - much appreciated. I had originally tried to get the iPlayer RTMP streams playing inside a third-party Flash player, but nothing I tried would get them to play. I did also take a look at the XBMC plugin for inspiration (Plex is forked from XBMC), but they seem to be using their own proprietary RTMP player, which isn't easily available for us to use in Plex. In the end I gave up with trying to get the raw streams to work outside of the original flash player. Instead, I'm using Plex's rather neat webkit page-cropping approach, which finds the iPlayer swf file on a page loaded from bbc.co.uk/iplayer and displays the page in cropped form to just show the video part of the player. I also did some digging around in the iPlayer javascript files and found that the iPlayer swf file has a Javascript API, which I've taken advantage of for playing and pausing playback, and for tracking progress via JS callbacks. It's all working rather well (until the iPlayer site next changes at least), using the RSS and JSON feeds to obtain the programme info and then using this webkit approach for playback. If you'd like to give it a try, you can download Plex here (it's open source and free): http://www.plexapp.com/ The iPlayer plugin can be downloaded and installed from the in-app App Store. It would still be good to access the RTMP streams directly - and this would probably be more reliable in the long term. Is there any magic involved in getting them to play? Has anyone found a third-party flash-based player (ideally with useful JavaScript hooks) for doing so? Thanks again for the help! - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:55:23 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Dave, Have a look at the XBMC iplayer plugin which you should be able to leverage. http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayerv2/ I use it personally to watch iplayer from my home media centre (XBMC 2.1) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 29 September 2009 07:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex 2009/9/28 Dave Addey listma...@addey.com Hi Backstage, I've been working on fixing the iPlayer plugin for the Mac OS X media centre app Plex. The updated plugin seems to be working pretty well by reading the BBC RSS feeds and JSON feeds, but I have a few questions: 1) Are there any issues with integrating iPlayer into an app
[backstage] Lunchtime feedback idea
Whilst working back from grabbing some sarnies with some collegues this lunchtime we were discussing politicans being interviewed on Radio 4 and how evasive and downright dodgy some of them (most of them? :-) ) sound. One of my chums then hit on a cunning wheeze for providing feedback to radio listeners that are using DAB radios or the web which we all rather liked. The basic idea was to take short messages from listeners (SMS, tweets, button clicks on the web, etc) when they thought that someone on air was spouting nonsense/evading the question/answering questions he'd rather he'd been asked/etc (we used a more bovine effluent related term during our discussion but I doubt that would be acceptable on the BBC! ;-) ). These could then be turned into a real time indication of listener dissatisfaction with the answers being given, and maybe displayed on the displays of the DAB radios, as well as on the Radio 4 website. Indeed the web site could have graphs of bovine effulent levels during the day, week, month, year, etc so that you could spot when there'd been a particularly heavy burst of nonsense being spouted by someone on the wireless, possibly with hyperlinks to iplayer programmes so that you could nip back in time and hear what caused the listeners to cry foul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Lunchtime feedback idea
Lol. This has made me laugh. Excellent idea. I would have used this when listening to radio 1 yesterday (was it Greg Norman talking to Alex Krotowski and calling Second Life a game! I was ranting at the radio wondering why Alex didnt correct him in that its not technically a game as per the other stuff they were discussing. You can't win anything in SL and similar genre VW aremorphing into serious business/collaboration tools. So yes Cow pat away. Love this idea. Soulla 2009/9/30 J.P.Knight j.p.kni...@lboro.ac.uk Whilst working back from grabbing some sarnies with some collegues this lunchtime we were discussing politicans being interviewed on Radio 4 and how evasive and downright dodgy some of them (most of them? :-) ) sound. One of my chums then hit on a cunning wheeze for providing feedback to radio listeners that are using DAB radios or the web which we all rather liked. The basic idea was to take short messages from listeners (SMS, tweets, button clicks on the web, etc) when they thought that someone on air was spouting nonsense/evading the question/answering questions he'd rather he'd been asked/etc (we used a more bovine effluent related term during our discussion but I doubt that would be acceptable on the BBC! ;-) ). These could then be turned into a real time indication of listener dissatisfaction with the answers being given, and maybe displayed on the displays of the DAB radios, as well as on the Radio 4 website. Indeed the web site could have graphs of bovine effulent levels during the day, week, month, year, etc so that you could spot when there'd been a particularly heavy burst of nonsense being spouted by someone on the wireless, possibly with hyperlinks to iplayer programmes so that you could nip back in time and hear what caused the listeners to cry foul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Soulla Stylianou RL Client Director DADEN LIMITED e: soulla.stylia...@daden.co.uk t: 0121 698 8520 m: 07814145167 w: www.daden.co.uk http://twitter.com/SoullaStylianou sl: http://www.slurl.com/secondlife/daden%20prime/160/184/26 sl IM: ImmortalitySou Ballinger Daden Limited is an Information 2.0 Consultancy and full service Virtual Worlds/Second Life development agency. Daden are a Linden Lab Gold Solution Provider for Second Life.
Re: [backstage] Lunchtime feedback idea
J.P.Knight wrote: The basic idea was to take short messages from listeners (SMS, tweets, button clicks on the web, etc) when they thought that someone on air was spouting nonsense/evading the question/answering questions he'd rather he'd been asked/etc (we used a more bovine effluent related term during our discussion but I doubt that would be acceptable on the BBC! ;-) ). These could then be turned into a real time indication of listener dissatisfaction with the answers being given, and maybe displayed on the displays of the DAB radios, as well as on the Radio 4 website. The problem here would be who would judge what messages being received are in agreement or disagree with what is going on in the interview. Someone could say something sarcastically, but it would be picked up as literal, putting it in favor of whats being said. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Lunchtime feedback idea
Not dissimilar to the recently launched five live now If more rude -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Lee Ball Sent: 30 September 2009 18:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Lunchtime feedback idea J.P.Knight wrote: The basic idea was to take short messages from listeners (SMS, tweets, button clicks on the web, etc) when they thought that someone on air was spouting nonsense/evading the question/answering questions he'd rather he'd been asked/etc (we used a more bovine effluent related term during our discussion but I doubt that would be acceptable on the BBC! ;-) ). These could then be turned into a real time indication of listener dissatisfaction with the answers being given, and maybe displayed on the displays of the DAB radios, as well as on the Radio 4 website. The problem here would be who would judge what messages being received are in agreement or disagree with what is going on in the interview. Someone could say something sarcastically, but it would be picked up as literal, putting it in favor of whats being said. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:21, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.ukwrote: Cory's piece is inaccurate in many respects - see this http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.htmlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti%0Aon_up.html Is there any explanation out there of how huffman lookup tables provide content management? I'd like to have a better idea of what exactly is being proposed and what the effect will be. I think the statement no existing Freeview boxes will be affected by this whatsoever near the top of that article is a bit of a Jedi mind trick. Of course no freeview box on the market will be affected by encryption/encryption-like techniques that might be used with DVB-T2, but that's not the point. The point is that with DVB-T transmissions people have been able to do what ever they want with them and I'm guessing that the messing about with lookup tables on HD transmissions will put a stop to that. If that's the case, then I think there should be some public debate about it. Scot
RE: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
that's why there's a public consultation see also this from April http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/04/welcome_to_some_new_initi als_d.html From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 30 September 2009 18:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 18:21, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Cory's piece is inaccurate in many respects - see this http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protect i%0Aon_up.html Is there any explanation out there of how huffman lookup tables provide content management? I'd like to have a better idea of what exactly is being proposed and what the effect will be. I think the statement no existing Freeview boxes will be affected by this whatsoever near the top of that article is a bit of a Jedi mind trick. Of course no freeview box on the market will be affected by encryption/encryption-like techniques that might be used with DVB-T2, but that's not the point. The point is that with DVB-T transmissions people have been able to do what ever they want with them and I'm guessing that the messing about with lookup tables on HD transmissions will put a stop to that. If that's the case, then I think there should be some public debate about it. Scot
Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
On 30/09/09 17:37, Kieran Kunhya wrote: If anything the open source community will be the first to find a workaround. It will be both impractical and illegal to do so. From the article - DTLA requires that all devices be made to resist end-user modification. That is, DTLA devices can't use open-source software, lest the pesky licence-fee payer alter the restrictions in the code. And the novel feature of the proposed system is that it is a way of abusing the database right to exclude free software developers in the absence of software patents. The important point isn't the technical details, though - These rightsholder groups have a long history of trying to arm-twist the BBC into imposing restrictions on the TV that you and I are obliged to pay for. For years, the BBC broadcast its satellite feed in encrypted form, paying an additional £20m a year to run this scheme. When the BBC decided that it was unseemly and wasteful to go on paying for encrypted satellite signals, the major studios promised a boycott of the corporation. The boycott was short-lived: as soon as the quarterly results came in with a massive BBC-shaped hole in the studios' income, they recanted. - Rob. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:07, Nick Reynolds-FMT nick.reyno...@bbc.co.ukwrote: that's why there's a public consultation Where? There doesn't seem to be anything related on ofcom's site http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/?open=Yessector=Broadcasting%20-%20TV You'd think they'd be the ones doing the consulting.
Re: [backstage] Please add cross domain AJAX for /programmes information
Brilliant. Now.. is there a way of getting the iPlayer cookies from http://bbc.co.uk/iplayer ? 2009/9/30 Yves Raimond yves.raim...@gmail.com Hello! Just to confirm - our latest release has that change in. $ curl -I http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mzdrh.rdf HTTP/1.0 200 OK Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:30:25 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) domain=bbc.co.uk; Expires: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:40:25 GMT Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * Content-Length: 2311 X-BBC-Licence-URL: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/terms_of_use.html X-BBC-Licence-Text: Access to and use of this feed is for non-commercial use only and is covered by the BBC Backstage Terms of Use Content-Type: application/rdf+xml Connection: keep-alive Proxy-Connection: keep-alive Cheers, y On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Ross Thomas r...@mena-tech.net wrote: Great, thanks Yves. Brian, thanks for your idea. I would however like to get it working on a php-less site. However as very few browsers support cross site AJAX then I may go for it at a later date. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Yves Raimond yves.raim...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to get this header added to the RDF files as well? This would allow cross site ajax for these files as well as for the player.xml files. This is indeed very weird - thanks for pointing that out! We'll look into it and keep you posted. Found and fixed. It should be in there for the next release (next week I think). Cheers, y - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Best Regards Ross Thomas r...@mena-tech.net +44 (0)7900243102 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
