RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+Deep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
Sound? J On 29/10/2007, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+Deep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *cisnky *Sent:* 27 October 2007 16:32 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
Simon, have you seen this rotating, movable video in svg demo? http:// www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 29 Oct 2007, at 09:23, Simon Cobb wrote: Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3 +Details++-+Deep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
JC you're right, yes to sound. (*^_^*) blushes that was an oversight, 'video' should've read 'multimedia' in the original email I did have 'file upload' too until I googled 'ajax file upload' S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Cartwright Sent: 29 October 2007 09:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Sound? J On 29/10/2007, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+Deep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
Jonathan, Looks good however it is pretty pointless for the next year or so until SVG and video tag support is available in any of the browser releases. I'm extremely impressed with Flash video, It is simple to convert the videos using Flash 8 encoder and the files are pretty small. Can not wait until the H.264 codec support is released. Regards Adam Quoting ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Simon, have you seen this rotating, movable video in svg demo? http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 29 Oct 2007, at 09:23, Simon Cobb wrote: Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+Deep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
Hello Jonathan, Adam's beaten me to it with his email below. I think it looks good too but since it's a while til it's technically viable and even once it is, it then has to gain traction with designers I feel we'll be using flash as the de facto standard for video for a long while yet. Adam, H.264 support is out now if you wish to see it: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/hd_video_flash_player.html You'll need latest flash player though: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sent: 29 October 2007 10:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Jonathan, Looks good however it is pretty pointless for the next year or so until SVG and video tag support is available in any of the browser releases. I'm extremely impressed with Flash video, It is simple to convert the videos using Flash 8 encoder and the files are pretty small. Can not wait until the H.264 codec support is released. Regards Adam Quoting ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Simon, have you seen this rotating, movable video in svg demo? http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/08/svg-video-demo.html regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 29 Oct 2007, at 09:23, Simon Cobb wrote: Hello, sorry for late reply, I've been on holiday. I agree that the splash page is annoying - my 3 year old can't get past it as she can't read it and doesn't know what it's for. But I guess she is young to surf alone. Anyway, back to the point, deep linking is possible right now with a bit of js: http://www.asual.com/swfaddress/ and there are plans to build deep linking into flex3 (due out in early 2008): http://flexwiki.adobe.com/confluence/display/ADOBE/Flex+3+Details++-+D eep+Linking There are a couple of other things I'm currently investigating to make more accessible flash: http://blog.space150.com/2007/1/11/faust-flash-augmenting-standards http://warpspire.com/journal/web-production/7-flash-myths/ But really, despite the fact that by far the bulk of my programming experience is in flash, I'm coming around to wondering what really, really needs to be in flash these days when there are js libraries like mootools out there. Also, increasingly, I get annoyed with flash taking the keyboard focus rendering browser keyboard shortcuts unusable and don't get me started on no text resizing (yes, I know about sIFR). Currently my list to support the use of flash instead of js consists of: video sockets err, that's it. Anything else seems to be unnecessary but maybe some of you out there can correct me? S. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cisnky Sent: 27 October 2007 16:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking How do you work that out? On 10/15/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space and return don't work in any browser Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless through choice you have made flash unavailable. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
Works fine for me... Camino on OSX. J On 13/10/2007, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space and return don't work in any browser Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless through choice you have made flash unavailable. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space and return don't work in any browser Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless through choice you have made flash unavailable. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
You're testing on a nightly build and wondering why everything doesn't work perfectly? J On 15/10/2007, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space and return don't work in any browser Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless through choice you have made flash unavailable. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Jason Cartwright Web Specialist, EMEA Marketing [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)2070313161
RE: [backstage] flash accessibility
I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space and return don't work in any browser Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless through choice you have made flash unavailable. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash accessibility
Simon, apologies, can be a bit blunt if not downright wrong at times... peepo.com and peepo.co.uk are projects I ran for many years, designed for the independent user who can navigate if not the operating system then have fun browsing the web if not in a sandbox, a select group of appropriate links. but flash generally doesn't allow deep linking, so each time the visitor comes to this site they need help, to get past the first splash. fwiw, by mistake I opened in Opera, and the cursor isn't visible once in the site, but not in the active window, probably a bug, but a real nuisance for carers. regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 09:40, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm sorry Jonathan, I've read this a few times now and I don't understand your question: maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? This is an interesting subject for me, could you ask the question another way please? Thanks S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 15 October 2007 09:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash accessibility Simon Jason, maybe you are considering the webcam question doesn't need to be switch accessible? of course that makes the user dependent on others and is 'frustrating' to say the least... Camino 2007101201 2.0a1pre, the smaller window pops open, but seems to close immediately regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 15 Oct 2007, at 08:45, Simon Cobb wrote: Ah... Apple, the champions of open technology and freedom of the user to choose. Your choice of computer kind of invalidates your righteous anger at commerical vendors, no? Of course, I'm just being mischevious :) Because Flash is my business, I had to go and check your claims on the Mac on our testbench. I'll give you that INTG doesn't work in IE on the Mac. But really, who is using IE/ Mac? Is it realistic for anyone to have to support it in 2007? Certainly, cbeebies client statistics agree, showing almost 100% using a windows based browser. Further, I've also found through my research on Flash accessibility that almost all users with accessibility requirements would also usually use a windows-based machine. As for the INTG freeze on IE/ Mac, if you want my best guess, I'd say that IE/ Mac is unable to allow Flash to perform the operating system check at the start of the INTG application. If so, it's ironic because this os check was especially put in for Mac users. Some Macs have a built-in webcam that users might not be aware is on and thus be baffled when the webcam parts of the game show unexepected views. In order that the application's functionality was most accessible to all Mac users, this check makes sure the user can nominate the webcam to use. Lastly, for what it's worth, Cbeebies client stats show that almost 100% of visitors use windows-based machines. space and return don't work in any browser Got to refute that - I just used it in Safari and it worked just fine. Works in ubuntu linux (my daughter loves this game), works on a windows machine. I'd say that just about covers it for access unless through choice you have made flash unavailable. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~:'' Sent: 13 October 2007 06:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] flash accessibility Some BBC staff have been known to trumpet the accessibility features of flash. the BBC is also known to have tied itself into this commercial vendor. Can someone explain why on my OS X machine at least the supposedly switch accessible: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/inthenightgarden/flash/index.shtml space and return don't work in any browser and IE crashes cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group
