[BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC
hello, aahhaah the world is not infinite and my resources (hardware/brain) neither :( Can we implement such feature I'm thinking to put quota on my user, telling them how much data they can backup. To do this, the backup will proceed like: 1 - first do a disk usage (DU) with the exclude path 2 - if not bigger than the quota, start the backup. 3 - else 3.1 - send an email to the person and ask it to remove some folder or some file extension to make his saving data smaller 3.2 - the user launch a DU java WebStart application (GUI) to help him to easily calculate the size of what backuppc lets him to backup 3.3 - when done, the DU application talk with backuppc to let know it about the new configuration and the new size of the data to be saved 3.4 - backuppc start the backup The java application should do something like jDiskReport or JDU or ... - calculate the DU and display it - able to see the tree to backup - set/unset directories to exclude from. - display a small panel of file extensions to remove (.jpg, .mp3 ...) - able to provide as line command options the exclude directories and the file extensions directories) - talk back to the backuppc server the data (exclude directories, exclude file extensions, disk usage) - launch the application as a GUI when launch in 3.2 - launch the application with no GUI when launch in 1 What do you think about such idea. cEd -- Cedric BRINER Geneva - Switzerland -- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It is the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Xq1LFB ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC
Hi Dan, for security, how to encrypt the backup on the server, i use the rsyncd to backup,because its verry simple to install, and it used only in the network, but i found the rsyncdsharpasswd in the config fil, Rsyncd cant encrypt the data, but only authentification with MD4 128 bit (only chanlenge-response). Now im installing Nagios for monitoring backuppc, i havve find the plugin for backuppc. Thank you Nadia Regards --- En date de : Mer 9.7.08, dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : De: dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC À: [EMAIL PROTECTED], backuppc-users backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mercredi 9 Juillet 2008, 3h40 I completely understand that you will have to answer many questions for non-technical management. Quotas are rarely used in any kind of backup program and backuppc is no exception. What security questions do you anticipate? You can encrypt the disk that backuppc uses if you like but that would hurt your performance quite a bit. The standard web interface is simple enough that it does not leave a lot of room for unathorized access. The only real threat is having an 'admin' level user's password given out OR physical access to the system. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:27 AM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok dan, thank you for your reply. I asked this question, because I just finished my stage on installing backuppc, and I am preparing to questions of jury, like quotas, security,.. Regards Nadia --- En date de : Mar 8.7.08, dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : De: dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC À: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: backuppc-users backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mardi 8 Juillet 2008, 5h20 ??why would you do that?? you will certainly have many failed backups if you do this. Also, the quota would have no useful function except to break backups. You might be ok if you just setup SOFT quotas and put the hard limits extremely high. Then the backuppc server would send an email each time someone backed up data over their quota but once they hit that point they would get a notification every single time until an old full backup expired that had some large files that have been deleted. You would be much better off putting a quota on the remote computer for the user in question. You can do this in windowsXP+ easily. managing quotas in linux is well beyond the scope of this mailing list and google can help you out but I think that this is not a functional solution on backuppc. backuppc should just do backups, not tell people how much they can backup. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:45 PM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have installed BackupPC 3, my systeme is CENTOS 5.1 (REDHAT), i have no probleme now to backup all systeme for each mode (smb, rsyncd, rsync+ssh), and i need to set up quotas on backuppc in the directory / var / lib / BackupPC / pc / hosts, how can i do? Thank you. Nadia Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki: http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente. _ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente http://mail.yahoo.fr- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC
Hello Nadia, A cursory glance of the /etc/BackupPC/pc directory reveals that the permissions for per-server config files are 640. this means that only processes running under the backuppc umbrella of users can access those passwords. In essence, if you trust the BackupPC web frontend, and if you trust UNIX permissions, then the only people who can access the passwords stored in the per-pc .pl files are the users who own the computers, and the root user on the server hosting BackupPC (and if you don't trust your sysadmin, you have other problems). Adios, On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:42 AM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, for security, how to encrypt the backup on the server, i use the rsyncd to backup,because its verry simple to install, and it used only in the network, but i found the rsyncdsharpasswd in the config fil, Rsyncd cant encrypt the data, but only authentification with MD4 128 bit (only chanlenge-response). Now im installing Nagios for monitoring backuppc, i havve find the plugin for backuppc. Thank you Nadia Regards --- En date de : *Mer 9.7.08, dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]* a écrit : De: dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC À: [EMAIL PROTECTED], backuppc-users backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mercredi 9 Juillet 2008, 3h40 I completely understand that you will have to answer many questions for non-technical management. Quotas are rarely used in any kind of backup program and backuppc is no exception. What security questions do you anticipate? You can encrypt the disk that backuppc uses if you like but that would hurt your performance quite a bit. The standard web interface is simple enough that it does not leave a lot of room for unathorized access. The only real threat is having an 'admin' level user's password given out OR physical access to the system. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:27 AM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok dan, thank you for your reply. I asked this question, because I just finished my stage on installing backuppc, and I am preparing to questions of jury, like quotas, security,.. Regards Nadia --- En date de : *Mar 8.7.08, dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]* a écrit : De: dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC À: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: backuppc-users backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mardi 8 Juillet 2008, 5h20 ??why would you do that?? you will certainly have many failed backups if you do this. Also, the quota would have no useful function except to break backups. You might be ok if you just setup SOFT quotas and put the hard limits extremely high. Then the backuppc server would send an email each time someone backed up data over their quota but once they hit that point they would get a notification every single time until an old full backup expired that had some large files that have been deleted. You would be much better off putting a quota on the remote computer for the user in question. You can do this in windowsXP+ easily. managing quotas in linux is well beyond the scope of this mailing list and google can help you out but I think that this is not a functional solution on backuppc. backuppc should just do backups, not tell people how much they can backup. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:45 PM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have installed BackupPC 3, my systeme is CENTOS 5.1 (REDHAT), i have no probleme now to backup all systeme for each mode (smb, rsyncd, rsync+ssh), and i need to set up quotas on backuppc in the directory / var / lib / BackupPC / pc / hosts, how can i do? Thank you. Nadia -- Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mailhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52423/*http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html . Une boite mail plus intelligente. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mailhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52423/*http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html . Une boite mail plus intelligente. -- Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mailhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52423/*http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html . Une boite
Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC
hi Paul, I agree with you, but I think this is not prudent to have the passwords to clear stored in a file. But if we are ever attacked from the outside? I think the passwords in / etc / shadow / are not clear even to root? we trust our users, the administrator, so everything must be allowed to clear? NO. So, i dont have probleme with my Backuppc, because it installed in the private lan isolated, but, the hacker are very clever... Regards Nadia --- En date de : Mer 9.7.08, Paul Mantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : De: Paul Mantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC À: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dan [EMAIL PROTECTED], backuppc-users backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mercredi 9 Juillet 2008, 11h53 Hello Nadia, A cursory glance of the /etc/BackupPC/pc directory reveals that the permissions for per-server config files are 640. this means that only processes running under the backuppc umbrella of users can access those passwords. In essence, if you trust the BackupPC web frontend, and if you trust UNIX permissions, then the only people who can access the passwords stored in the per-pc .pl files are the users who own the computers, and the root user on the server hosting BackupPC (and if you don't trust your sysadmin, you have other problems). Adios, On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:42 AM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, for security, how to encrypt the backup on the server, i use the rsyncd to backup,because its verry simple to install, and it used only in the network, but i found the rsyncdsharpasswd in the config fil, Rsyncd cant encrypt the data, but only authentification with MD4 128 bit (only chanlenge-response). Now im installing Nagios for monitoring backuppc, i havve find the plugin for backuppc. Thank you Nadia Regards --- En date de : Mer 9.7.08, dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : De: dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC À: [EMAIL PROTECTED], backuppc-users backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mercredi 9 Juillet 2008, 3h40 I completely understand that you will have to answer many questions for non-technical management. Quotas are rarely used in any kind of backup program and backuppc is no exception. What security questions do you anticipate? You can encrypt the disk that backuppc uses if you like but that would hurt your performance quite a bit. The standard web interface is simple enough that it does not leave a lot of room for unathorized access. The only real threat is having an 'admin' level user's password given out OR physical access to the system. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:27 AM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok dan, thank you for your reply. I asked this question, because I just finished my stage on installing backuppc, and I am preparing to questions of jury, like quotas, security,.. Regards Nadia --- En date de : Mar 8.7.08, dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : De: dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC À: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: backuppc-users backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mardi 8 Juillet 2008, 5h20 ??why would you do that?? you will certainly have many failed backups if you do this. Also, the quota would have no useful function except to break backups. You might be ok if you just setup SOFT quotas and put the hard limits extremely high. Then the backuppc server would send an email each time someone backed up data over their quota but once they hit that point they would get a notification every single time until an old full backup expired that had some large files that have been deleted. You would be much better off putting a quota on the remote computer for the user in question. You can do this in windowsXP+ easily. managing quotas in linux is well beyond the scope of this mailing list and google can help you out but I think that this is not a functional solution on backuppc. backuppc should just do backups, not tell people how much they can backup. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:45 PM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have installed BackupPC 3, my systeme is CENTOS 5.1 (REDHAT), i have no probleme now to backup all systeme for each mode (smb, rsyncd, rsync+ssh), and i need to set up quotas on backuppc in the directory / var / lib / BackupPC / pc / hosts, how can i do? Thank you. Nadia Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List: https
Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:45:07PM +, nadia kheffache wrote: hi, I have installed BackupPC 3, my systeme is CENTOS 5.1 (REDHAT), i have no probleme now to backup all systeme for each mode (smb, rsyncd, rsync+ssh), and i need to set up quotas on backuppc in the directory / var / lib / BackupPC / pc / hosts, how can i do? It will not work. Quotas are user-based, but any files on the BackupPC server belong to the backuppc user, the original owner is stored in the fattrib files within the backups. HTH, Tino. -- What we nourish flourishes. - Was wir nähren erblüht. www.craniosacralzentrum.de www.forteego.de - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC
I completely understand that you will have to answer many questions for non-technical management. Quotas are rarely used in any kind of backup program and backuppc is no exception. What security questions do you anticipate? You can encrypt the disk that backuppc uses if you like but that would hurt your performance quite a bit. The standard web interface is simple enough that it does not leave a lot of room for unathorized access. The only real threat is having an 'admin' level user's password given out OR physical access to the system. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:27 AM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok dan, thank you for your reply. I asked this question, because I just finished my stage on installing backuppc, and I am preparing to questions of jury, like quotas, security,.. Regards Nadia --- En date de : *Mar 8.7.08, dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]* a écrit : De: dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet: Re: [BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC À: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: backuppc-users backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mardi 8 Juillet 2008, 5h20 ??why would you do that?? you will certainly have many failed backups if you do this. Also, the quota would have no useful function except to break backups. You might be ok if you just setup SOFT quotas and put the hard limits extremely high. Then the backuppc server would send an email each time someone backed up data over their quota but once they hit that point they would get a notification every single time until an old full backup expired that had some large files that have been deleted. You would be much better off putting a quota on the remote computer for the user in question. You can do this in windowsXP+ easily. managing quotas in linux is well beyond the scope of this mailing list and google can help you out but I think that this is not a functional solution on backuppc. backuppc should just do backups, not tell people how much they can backup. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:45 PM, nadia kheffache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have installed BackupPC 3, my systeme is CENTOS 5.1 (REDHAT), i have no probleme now to backup all systeme for each mode (smb, rsyncd, rsync+ssh), and i need to set up quotas on backuppc in the directory / var / lib / BackupPC / pc / hosts, how can i do? Thank you. Nadia -- Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mailhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52423/*http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html . Une boite mail plus intelligente. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ -- Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mailhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52423/*http://fr.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html . Une boite mail plus intelligente. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[BackupPC-users] Quotas whith BackupPC
hi, I have installed BackupPC 3, my systeme is CENTOS 5.1 (REDHAT), i have no probleme now to backup all systeme for each mode (smb, rsyncd, rsync+ssh), and i need to set up quotas on backuppc in the directory / var / lib / BackupPC / pc / hosts, how can i do? Thank you. Nadia _ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente http://mail.yahoo.fr- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net Project: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
