Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
2009/5/1 Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com Taking charge, I'm perfectly willing although I see the conference as something which comes about because the community wants it rather than an individuals ego trip. The only real need for a leader is to put his foot down at times when things are dragging. Noufal, what I'm proposing is a community-centric model. Communities are great for inputs, but not for decisions. Even in the most successful community models, there is _always_ a core of (usually self-selected) coordinators holding things together. PyCon India needs this leadership, and this leadership needs to appoint itself. The community can rally around a leader but can't appoint one. Hope that clarifies. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 04:39:03PM +0530, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: Taking charge, I'm perfectly willing although I see the conference as something which comes about because the community wants it rather than an individuals ego trip. The only real need for a leader is to put his foot down at times when things are dragging. PyCon India needs this leadership, and this leadership needs to appoint itself. The community can rally around a leader but can't appoint one. Yes, Noufal. Stop talking about Community and give us orders, there are people to obey you and available for your consultation too. We had a meeting at ThoughtWorks office today and agreed that you will lead this effort. Shall post the minutes of the meeting separately. Kiran, it looks like we may not meet again on May 9th for Pycon, but the PyCon related discussions will happen next on May 17th. Thanks, Senthil ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Friday 01 May 2009 17:24:47 Noufal Ibrahim wrote: Taking charge, I'm perfectly willing cool - you get my vote although I see the conference as something which comes about because the community wants it rather than an individuals ego trip. The only real need for a leader is to put his foot down at times when things are dragging. not so. As a leader/leaders, you can expect to have both your personal and professional life to be put on hold for some time before, during and after the conference. This means, if you are employed, your employer has to support you and give you time off. If self employed, you have to give yourself time off. And please remember, volunteers are volunteers - many of them are unreliable and vanish just when needed. At that time you will need to step into the breach. The advantage of tying up with an institution - ideally an engineering college - is that if the college management is involved, most of the infrastructure stuff just happens, which is a huge load of your mind. In this respect, we could think of approaching Christ University in Bangalore - the management is highly supportive of such ventures and there are some dedicated staff members who could do a lot. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Monday 04 May 2009 05:53:50 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: The advantage of tying up with an institution - ideally an engineering college - is that if the college management is involved, most of the infrastructure stuff just happens, which is a huge load of your mind. In this respect, we could think of approaching Christ University in Bangalore - the management is highly supportive of such ventures and there are some dedicated staff members who could do a lot. further to this, if you analyse the foss/oss conferences that take place every year, there are two types: fsck.in - this is run by experienced event managers who can dedicate substantial time and also have bank accounts for fund receipts. Freed.in, run by ilugd, which is a registered society with a bank account. But they usually tie up with JNU to run their show. Gnunify at Pune, tied up with Symbiosis which makes it the longest running event in the country - in it's 5th or 6th year. Fossconf - this is run by ilugc, and held in a different college each year. The college looks after the infrastructure and provides 150-200 volunteers and looks after everything. This year we had about 10 colleges bidding for the event - and next year's event is already allotted. One difference between Gnunify/freed and fossconf is that that the former events are held in elite institutions, so there is practically zero attendance from the students of the institutions. Fossconf is usually held in 2nd tier institutions, so there is a large student attendance from the host college itself. I do not know what the scene is in Bangalore, but in Chennai alone, there would be a big Queue of colleges vying to host Pycon India. (I am just sharing my experiences here) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
CIS has confirmed venue availability for May 9. I'll post an announcement when I'm back in Bangalore. On 5/1/09, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.com wrote: Another date again? :) Well, there are 5 people signed up for for May 3 meeting. So we are going forward with it.. We can meet up on May 8th, if majority folks feel the need. Saturday is May 9th, not May 8th. +1 for May 9th. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.comwrote: I created a wiki page for the meeting. http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting03May2009 Please confirm your participation by adding your name. Anybody interested to give a talk? I plan to attend this and I have added my name. Btw, let us make this exclusive to discussion on Pycon and not have any talks - that is my suggestion. 4-6pm is rather late in the day. Does anyone have objections for pushing it up by an hour, i.e 3-5 pm ? Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers Regards, -- -Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
I remember reading somewhere that ICH is moved out. Let's have it at Thoughtworks. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.comwrote: My experience with open environments is that they dilute the discussions. It is difficult to keep the eye away from all the dazzle, especially on MG Road ;) For this, I prefer a closeted place, where we have a whiteboard or something to write on. Much more easier than trying to write on those paper napkins... I don't expect to see more than 5 people. 5 people can easily sit on a table and write in a notebook. I can volunteer to bring notebook and pen :). ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
I remember reading somewhere that ICH is moved out. Let's have it at Thoughtworks. Thoughtworks is too far. How about Barista at church street? ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.comwrote: I remember reading somewhere that ICH is moved out. Let's have it at Thoughtworks. Thoughtworks is too far. How about Barista at church street? You seem to have a subversive agenda on MG Road that day. Perhaps a date ;) ? I am OK with meeting on MG Road or church street. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- -Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
You seem to have a subversive agenda on MG Road that day. Perhaps a date ;) ? It takes me about 1 and half to 2 hours to reach ThoughtWorks and it just takes less than an hour to reach M G Road. Totally it saves 2 hours of my time. I am OK with meeting on MG Road or church street. Thanks. :) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
2009/5/1 Ramdas S ram...@developeriq.com I will make it on 3rd Sunday! Let's get talking. Thoughtworks is fine I'm out of town for the long weekend, as I suspect several others on this list are. This discussion has turned into a design by committee orgy. The only way this will work is if someone takes charge, makes decisions, and asks the list for approval and publicity, not suggestions. You're better off correcting for bad decisions than expecting a crowd to make them in the first place. To get this started, I propose a one-day event on Saturday, May 8, at the Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) on Cunningham Road, Bangalore. CIS has a conference room that can seat up to 30 around a long table. It's perfect for discussions. I will ask CIS to confirm the date and to sponsor snacks and beverages. We will have to pay for our own lunch, which we'll order from a nearby restaurant ( Rs 100). I have two agenda items for the day: 1. First half: Discuss Zine as (a) a weblog platform, and (b) model structure for a framework-independent Python web-app. Have a sprint for about three hours to add a few new features. 2. Second half: Provide a place for anyone interested in discussing PyCon India. Since I'm not volunteering to run the event, I have no agenda. I will continue to work on Zine if no one is interested in PyCon. Who's up for this? If you want something else done on the day, please just take charge. I will be responsible for the venue and for discussing Zine. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
This discussion has turned into a design by committee orgy. The only way this will work is if someone takes charge, makes decisions, and asks the list for approval and publicity, not suggestions. You're better off correcting for bad decisions than expecting a crowd to make them in the first place. good idea! To get this started, I propose a one-day event on Saturday, May 8, at the Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) on Cunningham Road, Bangalore. CIS has a conference room that can seat up to 30 around a long table. It's perfect for discussions. I will ask CIS to confirm the date and to sponsor snacks and beverages. We will have to pay for our own lunch, which we'll order from a nearby restaurant ( Rs 100). May 8 is Friday. I think you wanted to say May 9. I have two agenda items for the day: 1. First half: Discuss Zine as (a) a weblog platform, and (b) model structure for a framework-independent Python web-app. Have a sprint for about three hours to add a few new features. 2. Second half: Provide a place for anyone interested in discussing PyCon India. Since I'm not volunteering to run the event, I have no agenda. I will continue to work on Zine if no one is interested in PyCon. Who's up for this? If you want something else done on the day, please just take charge. I will be responsible for the venue and for discussing Zine. +1 People interested only in PyCon can join the second half directly. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
2009/5/1 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org I volunteer to run the event. I am willing to take the blame if it flops. And share the fame if it succeeds. The only request I have is that in all decisions, which will be after a free discussion, I have the final word. If this is acceptable, I will be there on May 8/9. +1. Kenneth, you may find it useful to consider the Barcamp Bangalore Planners' model for decision making, where we have no final decision making authority, but one volunteer moderator whose job is to keep everyone in a closed room doing nothing but the discussion, keeping it firmly on track, and not letting folks go until a consensus decision has been arrived at. If you're willing to do this over a mostly authoritarian decision making process, you have my support. I will need a day to confirm venue availability on May 9 since Sunil is travelling at the moment (thanks for pointing out the error, Anand). -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://jace.seacrow.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.comwrote: I remember reading somewhere that ICH is moved out. Let's have it at Thoughtworks. Thoughtworks is too far. How about Barista at church street? You seem to have a subversive agenda on MG Road that day. Perhaps a date ;) ? I am OK with meeting on MG Road or church street. :) hmm, that too after 5 PM. I am ok with whichever place, but just decide fast... ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- -Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 03:21:07PM +0530, Anand Chitipothu wrote: You seem to have a subversive agenda on MG Road that day. Perhaps a date ;) ? It takes me about 1 and half to 2 hours to reach ThoughtWorks and it just takes less than an hour to reach M G Road. Totally it saves 2 hours of my time. I am OK with meeting on MG Road or church street. I am okay with any place. but I would prefer TW. Can accommodate more people, if they turn up.. Anand C, as we met at Barista at MG Road last week, why not give a try to TW this week? If more people turn up, it will be better.. I stay at Frazer town, can pick you on the way, if we can plan it. -- Senthil ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
Another date again? :) Well, there are 5 people signed up for for May 3 meeting. So we are going forward with it.. We can meet up on May 8th, if majority folks feel the need. Saturday is May 9th, not May 8th. +1 for May 9th. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.com wrote: Another date again? :) Well, there are 5 people signed up for for May 3 meeting. So we are going forward with it.. We can meet up on May 8th, if majority folks feel the need. Saturday is May 9th, not May 8th. May 9th *is* a little away but if it can draw a few more people, it's good. I'm for maximising participation. Sine we want the real deal in September, the faster we can make decisions, the better. As for venue and time decisions, the usual voting scheme and discussions are okay. Taking charge, I'm perfectly willing although I see the conference as something which comes about because the community wants it rather than an individuals ego trip. The only real need for a leader is to put his foot down at times when things are dragging. Can someone send out a final Time/Date/Venue/Agenda mail so that everyone is in sync? -- ~noufal ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 10:05:01PM +0500, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: Excellent. I'll take the lead as soon as I'm back (12/May). For this meeting, if one you guys (Senthil or Ramdas) could cover all the major items we have to handle to get a conference going and put it up on the wiki, we'd have officially started and can move ahead. No problem, we shall. Enjoy your trip. -- Senthil ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Thursday 30 April 2009 11:11:26 Ramdas S wrote: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt I know that - what part of what Noufal said is FUD? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.orgwrote: On Thursday 30 April 2009 11:11:26 Ramdas S wrote: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt I know that - what part of what Noufal said is FUD? The portion that says If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that will be the end of the real conference I think regards Vivek -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
While these inputs are valuable, they are OT. Let's stick to the discussion of the PyCon-lite. -- ~noufal ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Ramdas S ram...@developeriq.com wrote: Let me explain. Starting a society even not for profit has its own little legal tangles and will also cost some monies (less than 10 K). But most importantly you'll need to keep accounts, ensure that returns are filed, even if not much transaction happen etc etc See I dont see the costs scaling upwards of 1.1 L or so for a single day event, and we have about 5-6 different expenses, and it'll be better if the sponsors are alloted some expense or other. Saves us money management. This is possible if the plans are for one day event, but for a larger scale we may have to get some bigger sponsors. I am purely looking at Python focused companies chipping in, who can claim the expense as their opex. Sponsors are the most important, since without sponsor interest you don't have an event. While we are talking away to glory, has anyone tried to measure the pulse of the prospective sponsors to see whether we could get the kind of money and support required for having a 3 day PyCon India in September ? Without that all this is just that, talk. R -Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: [..] While we are talking away to glory, has anyone tried to measure the pulse of the prospective sponsors to see whether we could get the kind of money and support required for having a 3 day PyCon India in September ? I don't expect anyone would. However, the outline I sent was something for a one day event with 2 or 3 tracks which is not too bad. There are some cost estimates as well. The overflow beyond the income from registration is not much so it's look a lot more feasible. Which is why I think we should focus on that and *make* it move forward. -- ~noufal ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
Unless we get a little more concrete about the PyCon-lite idea that Ramakrishnan suggested, I think we should move forward with the September idea. Otherwise, this will degenerate into total talking away to glory. Some timelines and expense estimates would be a good start. -- ~noufal ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
Always for anything its smart to start with a budget. We know we can do a single day event for about 1 L plus, and yes, I know sponsorship can be raised for the same. We had written commitments for around the same kind of figure last time we planned a Python conference. A Pycon branding should help us easily raise that number. So take it for granted a one day event is possible. For a 3 day event I think the costs will be 3 L + ( that is in our budget style conference, not a hi-fi one), I am not sure how much of an effort will be required though it's not impossible in anyways to raise that kind of funds. The point here, we need to be clear what we want to do. I am sorry to say, the jingoism seen usually on IRC is never quite reflected on ground. While a 3 day event is a great idea, I will suggest that we do a good 1 day or even a 2 day event. Lofty aims are great, but not at the risk of falling flat somewhere. It'll be nice if we can have an idea how many people are going to turn up for the event? It all depends on how we drive it, and I can assure you without even a single Rupee investment, and with pure goodwill and simple efforts from the user group members, you can reach 99% of all Python aficionados in the country and may be across the world. I am still clueless, whether the event will attract 50,100,150,200, 250 or more? I think a well marketed event(without spending any real money) can get you as high as 250 pythonistas walking in. However we need to basically take a few calls and announce early and do the needful. Again I can be mistaken. However all this is possible if we can have at least 5 people meeting at a common place, and discussing the issues, and taking some decisions, like the date, the number of dates, venue etc. And then get on with the content, logistics and sponsorships. Everyone can do their bit by posting updates on the event on their web sites/blogs and forums, and generally spreading the message in each and every software company you can reach to. Sponsorship interests will also vary on number of people coming in, quality of people etc. So please can we have a meeting, a ** real meeting** to discuss Pycon India? While it's unfair to expect people outside Bangalore to make it to the meeting,we can have a live IRC update of actual discussions of the meeting so everyone can still have their say. I think once the Pycon idea is freezed, and announced officially, and various committes planned we can explore the smaller meeting/conference... On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: Unless we get a little more concrete about the PyCon-lite idea that Ramakrishnan suggested, I think we should move forward with the September idea. Otherwise, this will degenerate into total talking away to glory. Some timelines and expense estimates would be a good start. -- ~noufal ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
I will make it on 3rd Sunday! Let's get talking. Thoughtworks is fine On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Sriram Narayanan sriram...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: So, is May 3 fine with everyone? Can we get a venue? Thoughtworks will be available as a venue. Let me know and I'll make the arrangements -- Ram ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:24:39AM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: Suppose we have a mini meeting in June, what would our timeline be like after that in order to get something going in September? Sorry, for pitching in late. I am behind my mails by a huge margin. :) I did get the gist of the Python Day suggestion. Last week, I met along with Noufal and Anand C, when we were discussing how we can get started with PyCon idea. -1 for Python Day. * It will dilute things up. I wont personally be interested, doing a conference again after a mini-conference. * But I understand the thought process, for all people get together to have a face-to-face meeting, a platform is required. What could be best done is, if we are meeting up a large user group meeting, if a person really cares enough, should travel. But it is difficult thing you see. Otherwise, we will have use IRC, mails as the follow up discussions and share the thoughts. To start with, I think that folks need to trust that all best interests are taken care. I think IRC and mail will work out after we get going.. (We did start it off) and I see that May 3 there is another meetup, I shall come. +1 for PyCon in September. * Start small, distribute work, get going. * I think, we might be having this event in Bangalore this year. * We will have decide upon a leader to take us to this event. ( It works best that way and How do we go about with it?) * We had a earlier discussions on this previous, so we will take the useful things out of those discussions and move forward. Thanks, Senthil ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that will be the end of the real conference I think. I'm -1 for that. However, putting an extra session during a user group meeting to discuss the PyCon will be fruitful and will move us towards a conference. I'm +1 for this. What do you you guys think of the outline I sent out? -- ~noufal ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that will be the end of the real conference I think. I'm -1 for that. However, putting an extra session during a user group meeting to discuss the PyCon will be fruitful and will move us towards a conference. I'm +1 for this. What do you you guys think of the outline I sent out? IMO that is pure FUD... regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Thursday 30 April 2009 04:47:04 Vivek Khurana wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that will be the end of the real conference I think. I'm -1 for that. However, putting an extra session during a user group meeting to discuss the PyCon will be fruitful and will move us towards a conference. I'm +1 for this. What do you you guys think of the outline I sent out? IMO that is pure FUD... what exactly is FUD? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.orgwrote: On Thursday 30 April 2009 04:47:04 Vivek Khurana wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that will be the end of the real conference I think. I'm -1 for that. However, putting an extra session during a user group meeting to discuss the PyCon will be fruitful and will move us towards a conference. I'm +1 for this. What do you you guys think of the outline I sent out? IMO that is pure FUD... what exactly is FUD? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy ramkr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody. Since most of the folks here expressed an interest to hold a face to face meeting for planing pycon. I would like to propose a Python Day. Sometime in late June/July, It might give people from outside Bengaluru enough time to plan a travel for a weekend. So many people from around India can participate and meet fellow pythonists. But the main agenda is for all the interested stake holders of the Pycon India Conference to plan for PyCon India. This is going to be a small event , not as big as pycon india itself. We would need volunteers to give some talks. Since most of this is a volunteer run event, we would need someone to sponsor space, meeting room projector, stationeries +1 for the idea This sounds like a slightly larger Python User Group meeting. -- ~noufal ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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This is a very good idea. We have been talking of a Pycon but this gives a forum for people to come together to discuss the topics for a shorter time period. Certainly this would lead to ideas which can be used for a larger Pycon India. +1 -1 Meeting in june/july will be too late to plan for an event in september. Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Let me chime in here. A couple of us in B'lore (Anand C, Senthil and myself) met last weekend on the bug day (25/April) to talk about Python in general and the topic of the conference came up. A couple of ideas got thrown around and I've just finished distilling them into something a little more concrete (attached below). I was one of the people who wanted to do the Indian pycon really *big* but after actually coming up with some numbers and stuff, things look different. Things not only look different but the whole affair looks achievable if the aims are modest. I have zero experience with organising stuff but I'm sure some of the more seasoned Free Software folks on this list can comment better. While I think Ramakrishna's suggestion to hold a pycon-lite as a preparation for the event is a good one, I don't think we should do it as a pycon. A extra half an hour during one of our user group meetings to specifically discuss the pycon would be better. Anand B.'s concern is a valid one too (we don't *really* have an event in September). However, I don't think it's impossible to have one. Of course, we need to plan and push for it but I think it's doable. So, with that preamble, I'm attaching the stuff (which is just a random bunch of jottings when we talked over the weekend). It makes the whole thing look a little more down to earth and something we can aim for. As for Ramakrishna's idea, I think we should use a slot during one of our 'regular' user group meetings to discuss the *real* conference. What do all of you think? pycon-india === Author: Noufal Ibrahim nou...@sanctuary Date: 2009-04-28 22:39:01 IST Table of Contents = 1 PyCon India discussion 1.1 Items discussed 1.1.1 Venue 1.1.2 Format 1.1.3 Speakers from outside 1.1.4 Site 1.1.5 Money matters 1.1.6 Publicity/sponsorhip 1.1.7 Approx expenses 1.2 Things to do 1.3 Approx timeline 1 PyCon India discussion ~ 1.1 Items discussed 1.1.1 Venue - Probably at an academic institution. - Anand has contacted some folks at IISc. and come up with this - It's possible to get the some lecture halls and stuff from the college if *one of the profs is there on the conference organising committee*. 1.1.2 Format - - We are hoping for roughly 14-16 slots among which 7-8 will be newbie topics and 7-8 will be advanced. - In order to fill slots and make the event richer, we are considering open spaces and BOF events. - We are also open to lightning talks which can fill gaps and make the event interesting. - We are planning this to be a one day event scheduled for sometime in last September (approx. timeline is there below). - We are currently leaning towards not having a keynote speaker. If things change, we might consider one later. - We are planning to keep a registration fee of Rs. 200 (early bird) and Rs. 300 (spot) 1.1.3 Speakers from outside - If we *do* get speakers from outside, we will pay for accomodation, food and local transport (not for travel). - This will cost us roughly 3000 per per person. 1.1.4 Site --- - We are planning to ask Kenneth if we can reuse the software which he has - We are planning to get the pycon domain name from the PSF (in.pycon.org) - It might be a good idea to ask Kenneth to take over the web details completely. 1.1.5 Money matters - We need an account to hold the funds we gather/collect. - Kenneth might be the person who can arrange for us to use an account. 1.1.6 Publicity/sponsorhip --- - We need to leverage personal contacts (companies where we work, people we know) to get information about sponsors as well as the news to spread through the hacker crowd. 1.1.7 Approx expenses -- Item Rough cost Notes --++ Venue 1 Anand has positive feedback from IIsc. Projectors/Sound systems1 Can the college provide these? Food1 Outsourced to a caterer Wifi? Contact Ramdas for this Swag2 T-shirts, pens, notepads etc. External speakers 24000 8 external speakers --++ Total 74000 Approx. 100,000 (with safety margin) 1.2 Things to do = - Site + Financial aspects - Ask Kenneth [Noufal] - Venue - talk to IISc. [Anand]
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
nice idea. This can give us an idea how many guys will turn iup for actual event Ramdas On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.comwrote: This is a very good idea. We have been talking of a Pycon but this gives a forum for people to come together to discuss the topics for a shorter time period. Certainly this would lead to ideas which can be used for a larger Pycon India. +1 -1 Meeting in june/july will be too late to plan for an event in september. Do we *have* an event in september ? Yes, we are talking about it but it hasn't materialized yet. At least a one day event is quite feasible in terms of the logistics. Isn't taking baby steps better than planning for the proverbial giant leap ? I definitely favor this approach, because of one thing - we can actually get this done. +1 definitely Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- -Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy ramkr...@gmail.comwrote: Hello everybody. Since most of the folks here expressed an interest to hold a face to face meeting for planing pycon. I would like to propose a Python Day. Sometime in late June/July, It might give people from outside Bengaluru enough time to plan a travel for a weekend. So many people from around India can participate and meet fellow pythonists. But the main agenda is for all the interested stake holders of the Pycon India Conference to plan for PyCon India. This is going to be a small event , not as big as pycon india itself. We would need volunteers to give some talks. Since most of this is a volunteer run event, we would need someone to sponsor space, meeting room projector, stationeries Possible venues in Bengaluru:: * Yahoo * Thoughtworks * Directi * Pythonists in India gathering together. * All the Interested stake holders for organising a PyCon India * 4 - 5 talks on Python and related topics * Sprints, If someone proposes a topic * Hopefully a tutorial, if someone wants to do, or if students turn up for this event. * Probable Dates :: o 27th June 2009, Saturday o 28th June 2009, Sunday o 4th July, Saturday o 5th July Sunday P.S :: If you guys want a Python day in Pune, this can be done too . +1 for the idea +1 for pune as a venue. If you guys are interested in holding this in Delhi then I can help arranging that but in August (after colleges reopen) regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Suppose we have a mini meeting in June, what would our timeline be like after that in order to get something going in September? -- ~noufal ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Python Day India
nice idea. This can give us an idea how many guys will turn iup for actual event No, it only dilutes the spirit of PyCon. some people may decide to attend only one of these two. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
