Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays (CAUTION: Contains Critical Comments!!)
dear Greg, i guess I am just too stoopid to make the connection between BD remedies and reclaiming the hairline - i thought I had maybe got a crossed message/advert from a hairdressing list !! whilst I have no problem with anyone getting suitably renumerated for the work they do, the hairspray advert simply struck me as somewhat bizarre and funny, and coming from you I just couldn't resist ! PS I can spare you a dread or two, if you are really desperate ? Gideon. - Original Message - From: "bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays (CAUTION: Contains Critical Comments!!) > >Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:34:34 -0800 > >From: Greg Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Accept-Language: en > >To: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays > > > > > > > >Dear Allan, > > > >In response to the following: > > > >Re: Forwarded, Jane, from Greg without judgment. Hopefully, Greg will > >explain more to us about his new insights and marketing approaches. > > > >I guess I could get excited about 1000's of middle-aged men walking > >around with potentized preps on their heads in this country! > > > >-Allan > > > >Steiner said to get his remedies out to the world and that will save > >agriculture. I am doing just that. > > > >I have for years found it incomprehensible this narrow point of view > >that anyone who practices Steiner's methods should pass on the benefits > >to others without any compensation. In the past 9 years, I've spent > >over $600,000 developing Steiner's ideas. Now Gidion questions why I > >should be compensated for my time, effort and money. That's not even > >worth a response except to say this. Only an idiot or a moron would > >believe even for one second that people don't do EVERYTHING for some > >reward. Even saints do good acts in the expectation that this will get > >them a return ticket to Heaven. > > > >As I have said repeatedly for years, unless and until the people who > >practice what they call "biodynamic" agriculture and gardening get out > >from under their narrow little focus and see the broader picture and > >potential of Steiner's ideas, incorporate them with their own ideas and > >the ideas of others of like mind, "biodynamic" ag. will continue to > >wallow in the backwaters of the world and we'll continue to endure > >stupid carping about how "It sure shows where certain people's > >priorities lie." Personally, I don't like not having enough money to do > >anything I want to do. I'd like to know who "certain people" are. > >Anyway, this is nothing worth talking about right now. > > > >We have field sprays, food and wine sprays and hair sprays and they all > >work. We're investigating any number of medical applications for our > >sprays. My girlfriend takes a bath in the remedies and it calms her > >down and softens her skin. She loves it. The other night, she went to > >her chapel and was able to meditate and pray for 4 straight hours. I'd > >say she's on to something. We've also been able to cure, in part or in > >whole, every plant disease we've encountered. > > > >The other day, one of my friends banged his hand badly. Had a big > >hematoma on his hand. Sprayed it with our hair sprays and within 2 > >minutes the pain was gone, Within 30 minutes, the stiffness was gone. > >The only thing he could say was "This shouldn't be happening." I told > >Hugh about this and he just laughed. I have some keratosis on the back > >of my hands. I've been spraying my left hand for 2 weeks. The > >keratosis is almost gone. My right hand looks the same. I sprayed it > >on my face and in 24 hours, my facial skin was smoother and softer, > >especially around my eyes, and no dark lines under my eyes (I haven't > >been getting much sleep lately). My girlfriend says I look 3 or 4 years > >younger. > > > >My suggestion to everyone is try our hair spray and get some great > >stories of your own. > > > >Contrast this with those who sit in their apartments all day in front of > >a computer criticizing everything but not accomplishing much. Compare > >this with the many new remedies and uses of Steiner's remedies that have > >come out of the BDA, JPI and Demeter in the past 60 years (which, for > >those of you who are new to bdnow, is NOTHING. AP, with his limited > >knowledge of Steiner has accomplished more than they have. Just shows > >you don't have to be smart to be successful with RS, just innovative, > >strong and intuitive. > > > >Look folks, if you know how to make them work, Steiner's remedies will > >work. If you don't know how to make them work, buy ours. They work. > > > >There's a radio personality out here in SFO-Land who reports the oddball > >news. He ends his broadcasts with this message which everyone should > >take to heart. CAUTION: It offends those with weak minds. It m
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Hello bdnow, I am looking for advice, books netsites etc with information on building with straw bales. I am converting an old hay shed into am above ground winery. Basalt bedrock near the surface means it is much more economical to go up than dig down. Walls will be about 5 metres high and I am concerned that due to the height the small square bales stacked on their edge (about 10 high) will be difficult to stabilise. All advice appreciated. -- Best regards, John mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Elaine Ingham offers to Answer More Questions this Weekend
Dear Dr. Elain Ingham, As you know the last few years have witnessed improvements in compost tea brewer technology at warp speed, yet minimum knowledge has been transferred to the end users. The isssues that I am raising are for those of us that 1) do not have the extra financial resources to experiment with what commercial compost tea brewers are offering in the marketplace and 2) are typical farmer personalities that prefer to make their own at volkswagon prices. What I would like to know more about and create more awareness about is related to tea brewer operations and designs, for example: - What is the appropiate basket screen sizing and what are good sources of this material? - Regarding vortex nozzless, which is correct, placeing the vortex nozzle in the compost basket or in the leachate? What are good sources of vortex nozzles and what material should they be made of? What is the function of the vortes nozzle, to separate the microbes from the compost material or to aerate the tea? - Is is true that petroleum based plastic is better than stainless steel for the conical containers? - What is the best type of motor, pump or diaphragm? - How full should the container tank be to achieve the vortex made by the conical shape of the tank and the recircling leachate? If commercial and home-made compost tea brewers can live up to their expectations to produce high populations of beneficial microorganisms that colonize plant leaf surfaces, then the information flow between the farmers/gardeners experimenting with compost tea brewers and the agricultural researchers should be continuous and updated. I assume that this is a goal of yours. Henry Costa Rica bdnow wrote: > I just got back from PASA and found an email from Elaine offering to > take more BD Now! questions about compost tea and soil foodweb > matters, so, send them up here, folks!! > > Also spent a few hours with Will Brinton (and a hundred or so other > people) today. Very impressive! Pause for thought, that's for sure. > > Anyway, let's not let Elaine's offer go unexploited! > > -Allan
"The decision to farm organically was a statement of faith in thewisdom of the natural world." Eliot Coleman
from december january 2002 Mother Earth News www.motherearthnews.com ViewPoint Beyond Organic by Eliot Coleman New ideas, especially those that directly challenge an established orthodoxy, follow a familiar path. First, the orthodoxy says the new idea is rubbish. Then the orthodoxy attempts to minimize the new idea's increasing appeal. Finally, when the new idea proves unstoppable, the orthodoxy tries to claim the idea as its own. This is precisely the path organic food production has followed. First, organic pioneers were ridiculed. Then, as evidence of the benefits of organic farming became more obvious to more people, mainstream chemical agriculture actively condemned organic ideas as not feasible. Now that the food-buying public has become enthusiastic about organically grown foods, the food industry wants to take over. Toward that end the U.S. Department of Agriculture-controlled national definition of "organic" is tailored to meet the marketing needs of organizations that have no connection to the agricultural integrity organic once represented. We now need to ask whether we want to be content with an "organic" food option that places the marketing concerns of corporate America ahead of nutrition, flavor and social benefits to consumers. When I started as an organic grower 35 years ago, organic was a way of thinking rather than a "profit center." The decision to farm organically was a statement of faith in the wisdom of the natural world, to the quality of the crops and livestock, and to the nutritional benefits of properly cultivated food. it was obvious that good farming and exceptional food only resulted from the care and nurturing practiced by the good farmer. The initial development of organic farming during the first half of the 20th century arose from the gut feelings of farmers who were trying to reconcile the biological truths they saw in their own fields with the chemical dogma the agricultural science-of-the-moment was teaching, The farmers came to very different conclusions from those of the academic agronomists. The farmers worked on developing agricultural practices that harmonized with the direction in which their "unscientific" conclusions were leading them. Their goals were to grow the most nutritious food possible, while protecting the soil for future generations. The development and refinement of those biologically based agricultural practices continues today. It's what makes this farming adventure so compelling Each year I hope to do things better than I did last year because I will know Nature's systems better. But my delight in the intricacies of the natural world-my adventure into an ever deeper appreciation of the soil-plant-animal nutrition cycle and how to optimize it-is not acceptable to the homogenized mentality of mass marketing. The food giants that are taking over "organic" want a simplistic list of ingredients so they can do organic-by-the-numbers. They are derisive about what they label "belief systems," and they are loath to acknowledge that more farmer commitment is involved in producing real food than any number of approved inputs can encompass. The transition of "organic" from small farm to big time is now upon us. Although getting tome chemicals out of agriculture is an improvement we can all applaud, it only removes the negatives. The positive focus, enhancing the biological quality of the food produced, is nowhere to be seen. The new standards are based on what not to do rather than what to do. They will be administered through the USDA, whose director said recently, "Organic food does not mean it is superior, safer or more healthy than conventional food." Well, I still agree with the old-time organic pioneers. I believe that properly grown food is superior, safer and healthier. I also believe national certification bureaucracies are only necessary when food is grown by strangers in far away places rather than by neighbors you know. I further believe good, fresh food, grown locally by committed growers, is the very best to be found. In my opinion, "organic" is now dead as a meaningful synonym for the highest quality food. Responsible growers need to identify not only that our food is grown to higher, more considered standards, but also that it is much fresher because it is grown right where it is sold. Therefore, we have come up with a new term, one we define to mean locally grown and unprocessed, in addition to exceptional quality. (See below.) it's a term we hope will be used, as "organic" was used when we began, by those local growers who accept that if you care first about the quality of what you produce, a market will always be there, We now sell our produce as "Authentic Food." We invite other serious growers to join us. Authentic Food - Beyond Organic A Seal of Quality from a farm near you The label "organic" has lost the fluidity it used to hold for the growers more concerned
Q for Elaine
Please compare and contrast the application of compost and compost tea to the soil. Like to understand the advantages and disadvantages of each more than just the obvious. Of course one disadvantage of compost tea compared to compost would appear to be the lack of organic matter. Thanks, Dan
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
> what is wrong with being bald anyway ? why not just deal and accept it ? > ps what has reclaiming lost hairlines to do with BD ag. ?? > Dreadlocked Gideon. Nothing wrong with being bald...as the song says. (Apologies to those unfortunates with hair.) Susan "Bald Headed Men" (the "Live at the Cactus Cafe" version) by Christine Lavin I don't like men who exaggerate About the places they've been about the money they make. I like a man who is honest and true, Who can look you in the eye when he talks to you. I like men who accept who they are, Not everbody can look like a movie star. If you can follow this thought to its logical end You can see why I like bald headed men... mmm, I like bald headed men. Everybody knows it's testosterone That turns a bushy haired man into a chrome dome. But testosterone is what makes a man, a man. The more that he's got, the more that he can Do the things that make the women go "Oy!" I'll take a bald headed man over a big haired boy. Big haired boys make very good friends, But they can not compare to bald headed men. I said it before, I'll say it again...I like bald headed men. Oh why'd you waste your money joining that hair club for guys. Why would you cover your manly badge of honor with such a bad disguise. Oh why'd you throw a way money on Rogaine and Minoxidyl, When all they can guarantee are years and years of pharmacy bills... Please don't do it I believe the hair replacement industry for men is like the cosmetic industry for women. A giant black hole that will just suck your money away for the rest of your lives... Please don't do it. No matter how you fight it, time marches on. Some new things appear, some old things are gone. Let 'em go, it's a natural thing, Like a leaf off a tree, like a bird on a wing. Try lookin' in a mirror from a whole different place: You're not losing hair, you're gaining face! Be confident, be cool, it won't be long when You are proud to be one of the bald headed men! I said it before, I'll say it again...I love bald headed men! John Malkovich...love 'im That guy on "Star Trek the Next Generation"...love 'im Michael Jordan...love 'im That guy that Fergie the Duchess of York has been going out with...No, no, no, no
Fw: Organic pathogen control in a rotational grazing system
I fired this one off to Elaine just the other day, this list would be a good place for her to answer, I expect... - Original Message - From: "Frank Teuton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: Organic pathogen control in a rotational grazing system > Dear Drs Millner and Ingham: > > I am a collaborator on a farm pasture project involving rotational grazing > of sheep in an apple orchard understory context. > > In rotational grazing the animals are moved periodically from one section > (paddock) of pasture to the next, then once adequate pasture regrowth has > occurred, returned to the original paddock for further grazing. (Voisin, > Savory, Murphy). > > At a high stocking rate, this can be highly productive, but also present > pathogen problems and the related problem of high refusal rates of pasture > in zones of repugnance upon regrazing the original paddocks. > > So, I am looking for acceptable interventions that can be undertaken between > grazings of paddocks that would accelerate manure decomposition *and* > achieve significant pathogen reduction. Some possibilities under > consideration include: > > Mechanical removal of manure by rake, sweeper and/or vacuum technologies; > > Harrowing for manure dispersal enhancing UV and biological remediation; > > Pasturing poultry immediately after sheep (chickens, turkeys) for 'avian > bio-harrowing'; > > Introduction of substantial numbers of epigeic earthworms (Eisenia fetida > and Eisenia andrei cultures) either alone or in a topdressing of > compost/vermicompost; > > Topdressing with compost and/or vermicompost; > > Application of aerobic tea cultures from compost and/or vermicompost > (Ingham) > http://www.soilfoodweb.com/multimedia/compostteamanual.html > > > Application of fine rock dust (Millner) > http://wsare.usu.edu/sare2000/062.htm > > Irrigation suitable to deep sand pasture, perhaps including syringing (early > afternoon application of small amounts of water for stress relief); > > And similar practices that would be acceptable in an organic production > system, and compatible with animal and plant health in this context. > > Please note that all apples for human consumption in this system are tree > harvested; all drops become exclusively animal fodder. > > This project is in the brainstorming phase and guidance as to general > principles, references to literature, and contact information for > researchers looking into this topic would be greatly appreciated. Please > feel free to suggest other ideas I may be overlooking! > > Thanks in advance, > > Frank Teuton >
Re: Fwd: Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays -Anecdote
Just as an anecdote on preps and skin. About 8 years back, I had a cat with a big abcess that had to be cut out. The day after she came back from the vet (with a big hole on her hip) I was spraying 501 on some tomatoes. When she walked by, I noticed her and thought to spray some 501 on the hole. She disappeared that night and the next day showed back up with fresh skin over the hole. It was pretty damn impressive. Despite my thinning hair, I have not done the same to myself. Perhaps I will try. Charge on Greg! Cheers, Chris Shade __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com
THE TASTE THAT KILLS - ASPARTAME
List, I sent this post to another list I belong to, and here was a responce that may also be of interest. Hi Don et al: I have provided some backup info regarding this issue. I have also liberally quoted (could be over the limit) but FELT COMPELLED due to the SERIOUS RAMIFICATIONS of this chemical in our food stuff AND how it EFFECTS The Brain of normal people and ALSO all PWC'S. I strongly RECOMMEND all PWC'S AVOID ALL foods containing THIS. IF reading labels is difficult, or you are in doubt - simply AVOID ALL DIET FOODS or DIET BEVERAGES Eliminating them from your diet will result in a reduction of the severity of your symptoms! (KEN) Aspartame: the enemy? by Andrea Celmins (02-17-2000) - In 1981, after years of denial, the FDA finally approved the use of aspartame in dry goods. Since then it has been approved as an ingredient in every type of food product including baked goods. It is currently sold under the brand names: NutraSweet, Equal, and Spoonful. It appears on ingredient labels as aspartame. Food abels must also contain warnings because of the phenylalanine content in aspartame (2% of the population with the genetic disorder phenylketonuria cannot metabolize this chemical). Since FDA approval a significant portion of the population has become hooked on sugar-free products that contain aspartame. Many Americans are consuming upwards of 3 diet sodas a day, fooling themselves into thinking they are doing a favor for their body by drinking sugarfree, calorie free beverages. The recent outbreak of multiple sclerosis (MS), systemic lupus and other mysterious illnesses have baffled the medical community. Some believe it can be traced back to aspartame consumption. Aspartame consists of three chemicals; it is: 50% phenylalanine, 40% aspartic acid, and 10% methanol or wood alcohol. Diketopiperazine (DKP) is a by-product of aspartame metabolism. Ingesting high amounts of the amino acid phenylalanine results in a phenylalanine build up in the brain. This buildup potentially decreases the amount of serotonin in the brain, resulting in depression and mood disorders. Too much buildup may result in schizophrenia or susceptibility to seizures. The phenylalanine content in aspartame breaks down into DKP, a brain tumor agent. Aspartic acid is an amino acid and when digested in its free from it elevates the blood plasma concentration of aspartate and glutamate. This excess allows a high concentration of calcium into the cells, which invites free radicals thereby destroying neurons. Aspartate and glutamate are referred to as "excitotoxins," since they essentially "excite" or stimulate the neurons to death. High aspartic acid consumption directly leads to neurological damage. Once the methanol in aspartame is ingested it converts to formaldehyde (a deadly neurotoxin) and then formic acid and causes metabolic acidosis. This is referred to as methanol toxicity. ree methanol is a by-product of aspartame when it is heated beyond 86 Fahrenheit. It presents a greater hazard when ingested since it is a more eadily absorbed form of methanol. Methanol toxicity closely resembles MS symptoms. People have been misdiagnosed with MS when they actually suffer from methanol toxicity. Systemic lupus is set off by aspartame consumption and the sufferer is often unaware of the correlation so they continue to ingest aspartame and end up aggravating their condition. A February 1994 Department of Health and Human Services report documented more than 90 symptoms of aspartame poisoning include fibromyalgia symptoms, depression, shooting pains, numbness in your legs, dizziness, joint pain, memory loss, slurred speech, headaches, vision loss, and anxiety attacks. A study published in the Journal of Biological Psychiatry in 1993 proved that individual's with mood disorders are especially affected by aspartame consumption. Researchers have also singled out chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer's, brain tumors, epilepsy, Parkinson's disease, mental retardation, lymphoma, birth defects and diabetes as being sensitive to aspartame consumption. Despite the FDA's long term hesitation to approve aspartame they are standing by their decision. The FDA responds to complaints by stating that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are amino acids and methanol is found naturally occurring in fruits. However, when aspartic acid and phenylalanine are unaccompanied by other amino acids they are neurotoxic and fruit also contains ethanol which protects against the effects of the methanol. The FDA fails to address these major differences. Aspartame is in everything from gum to yogurt to hot chocolate. Be aware of the apparent danger in consuming aspartame-containing products. It is important to protect your health and now there are zero-calorie all-natural sugar substitutes like stevia available in packets. Sources: Walton, Hudak, and Green-Waite, "Adverse Reactions to Aspartame: Double
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
Chris, et al - For my 2cents, I'd have to say that standard holders like Gideon, who has lived in - - and probably still lives in -- a Camphill Community are as valueable to biodynamics as are visionaries like Greg Willis who range over and under the bar as they foray WAY outside the box. I'd even say that those of us (like me) who slam others for expressing their honest opinions are most likely also a valueable diversification within the human meta-organism, but I have yet to discern their function. -Allan
Fwd: Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays (CAUTION: Contains CriticalComments!!)
>Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:34:34 -0800 >From: Greg Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Accept-Language: en >To: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays > > > >Dear Allan, > >In response to the following: > >Re: Forwarded, Jane, from Greg without judgment. Hopefully, Greg will >explain more to us about his new insights and marketing approaches. > >I guess I could get excited about 1000's of middle-aged men walking >around with potentized preps on their heads in this country! > >-Allan > >Steiner said to get his remedies out to the world and that will save >agriculture. I am doing just that. > >I have for years found it incomprehensible this narrow point of view >that anyone who practices Steiner's methods should pass on the benefits >to others without any compensation. In the past 9 years, I've spent >over $600,000 developing Steiner's ideas. Now Gidion questions why I >should be compensated for my time, effort and money. That's not even >worth a response except to say this. Only an idiot or a moron would >believe even for one second that people don't do EVERYTHING for some >reward. Even saints do good acts in the expectation that this will get >them a return ticket to Heaven. > >As I have said repeatedly for years, unless and until the people who >practice what they call "biodynamic" agriculture and gardening get out >from under their narrow little focus and see the broader picture and >potential of Steiner's ideas, incorporate them with their own ideas and >the ideas of others of like mind, "biodynamic" ag. will continue to >wallow in the backwaters of the world and we'll continue to endure >stupid carping about how "It sure shows where certain people's >priorities lie." Personally, I don't like not having enough money to do >anything I want to do. I'd like to know who "certain people" are. >Anyway, this is nothing worth talking about right now. > >We have field sprays, food and wine sprays and hair sprays and they all >work. We're investigating any number of medical applications for our >sprays. My girlfriend takes a bath in the remedies and it calms her >down and softens her skin. She loves it. The other night, she went to >her chapel and was able to meditate and pray for 4 straight hours. I'd >say she's on to something. We've also been able to cure, in part or in >whole, every plant disease we've encountered. > >The other day, one of my friends banged his hand badly. Had a big >hematoma on his hand. Sprayed it with our hair sprays and within 2 >minutes the pain was gone, Within 30 minutes, the stiffness was gone. >The only thing he could say was "This shouldn't be happening." I told >Hugh about this and he just laughed. I have some keratosis on the back >of my hands. I've been spraying my left hand for 2 weeks. The >keratosis is almost gone. My right hand looks the same. I sprayed it >on my face and in 24 hours, my facial skin was smoother and softer, >especially around my eyes, and no dark lines under my eyes (I haven't >been getting much sleep lately). My girlfriend says I look 3 or 4 years >younger. > >My suggestion to everyone is try our hair spray and get some great >stories of your own. > >Contrast this with those who sit in their apartments all day in front of >a computer criticizing everything but not accomplishing much. Compare >this with the many new remedies and uses of Steiner's remedies that have >come out of the BDA, JPI and Demeter in the past 60 years (which, for >those of you who are new to bdnow, is NOTHING. AP, with his limited >knowledge of Steiner has accomplished more than they have. Just shows >you don't have to be smart to be successful with RS, just innovative, >strong and intuitive. > >Look folks, if you know how to make them work, Steiner's remedies will >work. If you don't know how to make them work, buy ours. They work. > >There's a radio personality out here in SFO-Land who reports the oddball >news. He ends his broadcasts with this message which everyone should >take to heart. CAUTION: It offends those with weak minds. It makes >those of us who have strong minds laugh. He ends his broadcast saying, >"That's the news. If you don't like the news, go out and make some of >your own." > >So Gidion, if you don't like my news, go out and make some of your own. >Or buy our hair spray and get some really good vibes focused directly on >your brain and Crown Chakra. It will clear up your thinking in only 2 >weeks. You just can't beat a deal like that. > >Cheers, > >Greg Willis >President >Agri-Synthesis®, Inc. >Napa, CA 94581 >707.258.9300 >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (was)introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions-Composting
Hi Jane, It was over three years ago, but I do remember application of BC to all manures where they lay. Also regular collection of manures and formation of manure and forest composts, and of course the preps inserted into the piles right away, followed by valerian spray. All done with beauty and a Swiss precision that warmed my little Virgo-rising heart. :) It was the first BD-managed property I ever visited and gave me a high standard to aspire to. By the way, have been using your healing salve while recuperating from a sudden onset of chest congestion. How lovely to have a remedy that I know is truly good from the growing to the compounding to the thought that sent it to me. Pam -Original Message- From: "jsherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:05:16 -0500 > I seem to recall Ferdinand writing about putting down preps directly in the > barn, only I don 't recall whether it was composting ones or 500/501? Maybe > Pam can clear this up, as I believe she toured the farm a couple of years > ago. > > JS -- ___ Win a ski trip! http://www.nowcode.com/register.asp?affiliate=1net2phone3a
Thank you and more info
I really appreciate everyone who is trying to help me, both on list and off. It really means a lot to me. First of all, I thought I'd share a little more about why we are doing this. I know I probably come across as a little too idealistic, but I'm really not. I KNOW that we have a hard road ahead of us, but it's the road we want. I don't share this with too many people, because most already think I'm crazy enough as it is, but most here seem to be just as crazy as myself ;-), so what's the harm, eh? I had run across the Sally Fallon info, and we were getting frustrated about not being able to find or afford a lot of the foods we needed, but we still had never considered having a farm of our own. Then one night I had a dream, only it felt like so much more than a dream. It was about farming and all we are to do with this venture in the future. I didn't tell my husband about it, because I had already drug him through so many changes (we homebirth unassisted, unschool the kids, the last doctor visit was the one that caused the autism in my daughter - the youngest two have never been to a doctor EVER, etc, etc, etc). Luckily, Michael is a pretty cool guy, and he has jumped right in on all of these changes, but for the first time, he seemed really happy with his job and where we were living, so I didn't want to spoil that for him. Anyway, abut 2 weeks later, HE brought the subject up. Turns out he had the same exact dream the same exact night. Ever since then, everything has just been falling into place. We KNOW this is exactly where we need to be, and this is what we need to be doing. Interestingly enough, there are even roadsigns here that we had both never seen before, yet we both saw them in the dream. So to us, it doesn't matter what it takes, we are ready and willing, and we have never been happier! My children are all thriving here, and just are absolutely in love with life. My 7 yr old has become so responsible since moving here. Half of the time she is up at the buttcrack of dawn and has already gathered eggs and let the goats and chickens out. She spends a LOT of time with the goats, she just can't get enough of them. This move has been incredibly good for all of us. I was going to answer everyone individually, but the task just gets bigger and bigger as more people respond :-), so I thought I'd try and answer most here. I don't know exactly, but I am guessing that the dimensions of the manure in the barn are somewhere around 25'x15', and about 2 1/2-3 ft deep. It's pretty compact. On the first layer is a lot of fresh straw, but underneath, the rest all looks like really black dirt. Basically, the previous owner just kept adding more straw to the top to keep it from smelling (you can't smell goat poo in there at all, unless you start digging around with the pitchfork a bit), and all of the previous straw seems to be broken down. The barn floor is definately dirt. About worms, do you see them much in the winter? I haven't really seen any critters around here other than wooly worms and lady bugs (by the TON! - which is another question I have. Would this many lady bugs be an indication of anything? I know they are good bugs, but it doesn't seem right to have so many so out of balance with everything else), but we have only been here since Jan 1st, and have not seen the critter activity outside of winter. The barn has a big access door for big equipment, just last week the previous owner (who still stops by to help us when needed - they just live 20 minutes away in town) drove the tractor into the barn with a fork to put in one of those huge round hay bales. We do have access to a bobcat, but were told that it had been cleaned out this way last time, and was not really much easier than doing it by hand (of course, it was the wife saying this, while the husband was the one driving the machine, so their views may vary!) I guess the most confusing thing to me is exactly what we should do with all of this manure. The previous owners have offered access to her fathers manure spreader, but I honestly don't know if that is the best way. If we went with that option, how would we get the preps (or remedies, if it makes someone happier) into it? Do we do that while it is still in the barn - or build compost piles outside and put it in there - or spread it with the manure spreader and put them on after it is spread in the garden before working it in - or 50 other options we haven't even thought of? I am curious about the pros and cons of raised beds. It seems a lot of people do them, but I guess I don't really understand the full benefits. It seems like a lot of work and money to me, which if they are that much better would be well worth it, but I really don't understand the benefits of them over just using the ground. I will definately keep an open mind about using them if they are indeed better though. We are not adamant about
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
Sorry to be so high and mighty Chris, I have always had a problem with mr Willis, and this just reconfirms my feelings. (he also has a long and colourful history with this list) what is wrong with being bald anyway ? why not just deal and accept it ? ps what has reclaiming lost hairlines to do with BD ag. ?? Dreadlocked Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Chris Shade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays > Yeah, alot of BDNower's love to ride the high horse > and claim their BD piety - bold, selfless healers of > the earth, bursting with cosmic love for all (unless > you sell hair tonics) and immune to the need for > money. Chill out. Non-chemically resoring life to > the hairline is a hell of a step forward. And if he > makes a ton, maybe he can underwrite some real > alternative Ag research. > > > Chris > > --- Gil Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am concerned about the negative reaction to Greg's > > Post. > > Baldness is more than cosmetic, look at the added > > potential for skin > > cancer. If he has come up with a useful potion, why > > not? > > > > Gil > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com >
Elaine Ingham offers to Answer More Questions this Weekend
Question to Elaine Ingham : I live in Brazil and I manufacture Compost Tea machines. I might have sold so far like 30 of those machines. Most of the customers are happy by the results they have in terms of practical results for disease control mostly. They also speak very favourable about the nutritional quality of the compost tea. I only use worm compost . However, some "techies" do need more than practical results. Having looked to papers all their lifes they believe more in a wrong figure in a piece of paper than a wonderfull result in the field. So, my question is : How can I send you a sample of the Compost Tea to be analysed in your lab knowing that I live in a foreign country thousand of miles away ? Second: In case the logistics of the sampling operation wouldn´t work out , what sort of analysis should I ask for a Soil Microbiology lab here in Brazil ? Thank You in advance Jose Luiz - > I just got back from PASA and found an email from Elaine offering to > take more BD Now! questions about compost tea and soil foodweb > matters, so, send them up here, folks!! > > > Also spent a few hours with Will Brinton (and a hundred or so other > people) today. Very impressive! Pause for thought, that's for sure. > > Anyway, let's not let Elaine's offer go unexploited! > > -Allan >
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
Yeah, alot of BDNower's love to ride the high horse and claim their BD piety - bold, selfless healers of the earth, bursting with cosmic love for all (unless you sell hair tonics) and immune to the need for money. Chill out. Non-chemically resoring life to the hairline is a hell of a step forward. And if he makes a ton, maybe he can underwrite some real alternative Ag research. Chris --- Gil Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am concerned about the negative reaction to Greg's > Post. > Baldness is more than cosmetic, look at the added > potential for skin > cancer. If he has come up with a useful potion, why > not? > > Gil > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com
A poem worth reading
"You should've known better" Granddad, great-granddad, and his father too, when working their farms knew just what to do. They mucked and they ploughed and they harrowed and sowed, they watched and they tended, and then reaped and mowed, And when they had finished, and harvest was in, they held a thanksgiving, and gave praise to Him. But along came the Chemist, a smart lad was he, who said, "All you farmers, now listen to me... You're all too old-fashioned and well out of date; I can double the crops you've been getting of late". He went on to prove that by using his wares, he could fatten the crops and thin out the tares The mechanical man was soon on the scene, with his tractor and baler, where horses had been. And the land became sated with chemicals and smog; where once were green pastures, there now became bog. The topsoil was powdered and flushed with the rain, And deserts sprang up where there once had been grain. "What shall we do?" cried the farmers aghast, "Our crops get the wilt, and the grass will not last." Whilst Granddad in heaven looked down, far from jolly, and waggled his beard at this grandson's great folly. His anger increased as he studied in wonder, and he finally raised in his wrath like the thunder. "Get horses you clots, and animals many.. You can't make a bob if you don't spend a penny.. And stop burning grass like a blithering fool; you're burning the litter that keeps the roots cool. And what about straw that aerates the land, it looks like that I must take you in hand? Where's your rake lad? I see none around; you can't grow good crops if you don't feed the ground. There's nothing like muck for giving land heart, and there's always a use for a horse and a cart. Put your animal droppings into a heap, and fatten it up with straws from your wheat. Then get some compost and mix it all in -- spread your land with it, and not too thin. And happen it comes to next harvest time, you'll not need so much of your chemicals and lime. And as for that tractor --- a smell and a din; it's packing the land and the rain can't get in. And where're all the earthworms that wriggled around? Poisoned no doubt in that chemical ground.. You've gone against nature - that's what you've done. You should've known better -- or never begun. So take off your jacket and roll up your sleeves, and gather your straw and muck and your leaves. Then get your rake and belt it around and happen, in time, you may build up the ground". By S.C.W.
RE: OFF: [globalnews] Bush to Fund Colombia War Effort
A reference to Gloria Steinhem's book, Revolution From Within, is pertinent
in this discussion:
She talks about a project of the Californian Legislature which in 1990
created a Task Force to Promote Self-esteem and Personal and Social
Responsibility. Self-esteem was considered to be a "'social vaccine'
against an epidemic of school dropouts, teenage pregnancy, domestic
violence, drug and alcohol addiction, child abuse, and other destructions of
the self and others". Quoted successes of the Task team include: a 40%
reduction in the number of school teachers wanting to retire; a fall in
un-wanted teenage pregnancy at one school from 147 to 20 in a year; and a
75% drop in student discipline problems in an Hispanic school located in one
of the State's poorest districts.
There was, unfortunately, limited publicity of the success of this Team, due
to public ridicule, religious objection ("failing to recognise the Eternal
God as the origin of all human worth") and in the end failed to get
additional government funding for similar exercises in other states. Guess
what? This was during the first Bush presidency!
For a summary of the Task Force research see:
The social importance of self-esteem, Andrew M. Mecca, Neil J. Smelser and
John Vasconcellos, editors, Berkley, California: University of California
Press.
Stephen Barrow
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Gil Robertson
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 6:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OFF:Fw: [globalnews] Bush to Fund Colombia War Effort
jsherry wrote: Bush to Fund Colombia War Effort Snip.
It is an ever continuing wonder to me why efforts are made to "fight our
never
ending war on drugs", by hunting minor couriers or going into another
country
and reaping havoc, usually mainly against innocent women and children
and
farmers of other crops.
Would it it not be more to the point, to removing the market? No market,
no sale!
In a crass generalization, could I suggest that people use drugs when
they are
not in a situation they find tenable. Would it not be more to the point
to give
our young the education that is required to equip them for a fruitful
and
contented life. Would it not be useful to develop a society in which
each was
reasonably access employment, shelter and creature comforts, in the area
they
choose to live.
A friends' son is a quadriplegic from a drug over dose. I believe his
drug use
can be traced back to an education unsuited to his likely employment,
along with
religious, social and family pressures, he was not equipped to handle. I
believe
that if his education (in every sense of the word) was properly tailored
to his
needs, he would have been able to handle life and not have his tragic
drug
career.
I write from an Australian perspective, but I thing the issue is common.
Gil
Re: Tractor Turnaround space Re: introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions
Hi Allan : How long are your rows? Mine are 2 sets of about 75-90 ft.More than that, and you discourage your help (no-end-in-sight) in planting/harvesting. Less than that, and i would have had to allocate another permanent path. Do you have a treed perimeter, or plan on one? I have an (encroaching) treed perimeter I've tried the tractor- back-in whim, and it was a pain in my neck at 75 ft., and, it's one extra soil pass! whose effects are not necessarily nullified by the ensuing cultivation. (I have seen this done in a greenhouse where space is really at a premium.) Since then, i've justified the entire sod perimeter and several quartering drivepaths. Just logistically, it makes for more efficient work. Won't you periodically want to traverse freely with a harvest wagon(s) to lay out quantities of earthy carrots , or onions or garlic to dry and be ready to cover or transport en masse to storage at convenience? Or possibly a large lot of strawmulch?to various sites.. whether by tractor or horse, or a dozen weekend weeders. I don't view the paths as wasted, because i let them grow quite high before cutting. All that time they provide habitat for insects, and the residue has microbial/carbon spinoffs which eventually contribute to the garden too. I love to run my muddy fingers through the dewey grass after harvesting, or lay out veggies to keep them cleaner. I try to drive on different lines all the time, so as not to create the usual hump-centre which creates more torrential paths in severe rain. Grasses have been referred to as the "empathetic forgiveness of nature", and when many of the plots are under tillage this strikes me as a reminder. Anyway, my drive paths are about 14'. This allows just enough room to swing my finger rake or cultivator around behind me.( I never make turns on the cultivated "headland" much too grinding on the micros.) All depends on your tractor's turning radius. .manfred - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:46 AM Subject: Tractor Turnaround space Re: introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions > Woody and/or Barbara said: > > >Say 40% of that is paths and tractor turnaround space, and you've > >got 12,000 square feet of bed space, > > > I'm in the process of fencing a 7 acre garden. I plan on spading down > cover crops and using a bedshaper for the first couple of years, but > I also plan on getting the tractor out of the garden as soon as > possible. The goal is permanent raised beds. > > Right now the garden area is too wet to have the tractor in to do a > real-world tryout, but I really need to be determining how much space > to leave for turnaround. In a way, I'd prefer to work to the fence > and back out of the row, but I have to admit that in the long run, > that's a literal pain in the neck and restrictive (or impossible > later in the season.) > > How much land, my friends, do YOU set aside for end-of-row tractor > turnabout? (ouch! with implements, of course.) I guess I'm hoping > against hope that a few have worked out tricks that will keep me from > setting all that fenced garden aside of tractor geometry a couple of > times a season. > > -Allan >
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
I am concerned about the negative reaction to Greg's Post. Baldness is more than cosmetic, look at the added potential for skin cancer. If he has come up with a useful potion, why not? Gil
Re: (was)introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions-Composting
>I seem to recall Ferdinand writing about putting down preps directly in the >barn, only I don 't recall whether it was composting ones or 500/501? Maybe >Pam can clear this up, as I believe she toured the farm a couple of years >ago. My recollection is that Ferdinand used to spary Barrel Compost (which contains the compost preps)on barn floors and chicken runs. A good idea! (Elaine Ingham would certainly approve!) -Allan
Re: Tractor Turnaround space Re: introduction and a WHOLElottaquestions
>Allan, at one time you mentioned spiral gardens. Did you ever put in a >spiral garden? I tried, Jane, but it was hell backing the tractor out of it. -Allan
Re: (was)introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions-Composting
I seem to recall Ferdinand writing about putting down preps directly in the barn, only I don 't recall whether it was composting ones or 500/501? Maybe Pam can clear this up, as I believe she toured the farm a couple of years ago. JS - Original Message - From: "Manfred Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: Re: introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions Hi Woody: Yes, it's preferable to make the compost outside, incorporating other material, and in shaped mounds. I guess i didn't assume that there was a frontend loader on hand, or barn-access for such. And, sensing the broad ambitions/schedule of Jennifer and her husband, didn't assume this major effort should be prioritized by considerable handwork. Having cleaned out a 5-foot deep 15-yr-old sheep-barn by hand, (before i knew about BD or composting) i know what a chore it is, (snip)
Re: Tractor Turnaround space Re: introduction and a WHOLE lottaquestions
Allan, at one time you mentioned spiral gardens. Did you ever put in a spiral garden? Jane - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Tractor Turnaround space Re: introduction and a WHOLE lottaquestions Woody and/or Barbara said: >Say 40% of that is paths and tractor turnaround space, and you've >got 12,000 square feet of bed space, I'm in the process of fencing a 7 acre garden. I plan on spading down cover crops and using a bedshaper for the first couple of years, but I also plan on getting the tractor out of the garden as soon as possible. The goal is permanent raised beds. Right now the garden area is too wet to have the tractor in to do a real-world tryout, but I really need to be determining how much space to leave for turnaround. In a way, I'd prefer to work to the fence and back out of the row, but I have to admit that in the long run, that's a literal pain in the neck and restrictive (or impossible later in the season.) How much land, my friends, do YOU set aside for end-of-row tractor turnabout? (ouch! with implements, of course.) I guess I'm hoping against hope that a few have worked out tricks that will keep me from setting all that fenced garden aside of tractor geometry a couple of times a season. -Allan
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
I suppose if it changes their thinking and belief systems, I could get behind it... nice to see you're sitting in non-judgement my dear... JS - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays >Jesus Allan is this a joke? I'm not sure this will help. > >Jane Forwarded, Jane, from Greg without judgement. Hopefully, Greg will explain more to us about his new insights and marketing approaches. I guess I could get excited about 1000's of middle-aged men walking around with potentized preps on their heads in this country! -Allan
Re: introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions
Hi Woody: Yes, it's preferable to make the compost outside, incorporating other material, and in shaped mounds. I guess i didn't assume that there was a frontend loader on hand, or barn-access for such. And, sensing the broad ambitions/schedule of Jennifer and her husband, didn't assume this major effort should be prioritized by considerable handwork. Having cleaned out a 5-foot deep 15-yr-old sheep-barn by hand, (before i knew about BD or composting) i know what a chore it is, ...again... depending on how compacted it is. If there was much straw used, in regular intervals, I believe there would be enough aeration. Certainly, in order to heat up, and moisten the existing pile, a chicken manure slurry could be diluted and dribbled all over it. several times, even poking holes throughout with a long bar to get a feel of the heap's consistency. The other caution i had before knowing that they do have 11goats, is that once you remove that insulating layer from a concrete barn floor, you open it up to frost-heaving at this time of year a common mistake by firstime farmers. ( but i don't know how cold it gets in Kentucky). And with the 11 goats, a new layer could be started. Mind you, if it has a dirt floor, there's your extra worms! I would say : do what you have the energy for by hand or machine , and work the rest in place,(even as an experimental experience! ) so you don't have to move it all, twice or more. It's much easier to handle when it's crumblier. I agree, Woody, that a 2-acre planted garden the first year, is a heap'o'work. Understanding Jennifer's intention to do a CSA, it still wouldnt be too much to cultivate that extra at the same time... planting the first veggies in a half acre but prepping the rest of the designated 2 for the next seasons with sown cover-crop (unless there is already something suitable in place). Especially if there are any variations in drainage characteristics, it would prudently give more ready choice for alternate rotations... as the ensuing seasons bring their moisture-level clues, and you have to act quickly especially if you have obligations to a csa. As we see, each known clue can influence our perspective re your ..circumspective.. ongoing creative process, Jennifer. To quote John Phibrick about 30 yrs ago, when i was just starting: Never plant a larger garden than your spouse can handle!! manfred - Original Message - From: Aurora Farm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: Re: introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions Jennifer: Others have talked about more global issues...the weeds and what they tell, soil tests, etc. Since I've mainly been a gardener, let me talk about that two acres you have in mind to garden. Don't worry about soil tests with that precious patch. You will so improve the soil on that small scale endeavor over the next couple of years that a soil test now will be meaningless. COMPOST, COMPOST, COMPOST is the answer to your need to supply wholesome food for your family. Now rethink your need for a 2-acre garden this season...you don't need that much land to grow family food--even if you strive for and eventually achieve 95 percent of your table needs. Think more in terms of a half acre this year. That is doable with hand tools, after an initial plowing and harrowing. Concentrate on a half acre--that's roughly 100'x200'. Done intensively, with raised beds, you can grow food for two or three families on, that 20,000 square feet. Say 40% of that is paths and tractor turnaround space, and you've got 12,000 square feet of bed space, 80 beds 50 feet long. 2 beds for salad, 6 for root crops, many for soft fruit, 2-5 for tomatoes and peppers, 10 for winter squash, 15 for grain and beans, including sweet corn, 2-4 for garlic and onions, the equivalent of at least 5 for flowers, [though flowers shold be interspersed throughout the vegetables], a couple more beds for extras I'm maybe not thinking of. This much space will give you surplus to sell and plenty to can, freeze, dry. Manfred mentioned adding the compost preps to the goat manure in place. I disagree. I would somehow get that stuff out of the barn and into a proper, aerated pile. Odds are it's very compacted, and though it's true that the forces of the preps would radiate throughout the compacted manure, you're going to have to get the stuff into shape to use, so you might as well break it up with picks and shovels [or a frontloader?] and get it outside where the worms will get into it. A 50' long bed could easily use a cubic yard [one cubic foot every 2 feet, say, or a wheelbarrow load every 4 feet] this first year, so you see the imperative to get going now. As for books, the explanation of Biodynamics and the Steiner preparations i
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
It sure shows where certain people's priorities lie. The pursuit of the Yankee dollar over healing the Earth. unfortunately I fear this is no joke. gideon. - Original Message - From: "bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays > >Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:14:26 -0800 > >From: Greg Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Accept-Language: en > >To: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Agri-Synthesis sprays > > > >Dear Allan, > > > >I can now announce that we have formulated our sprays such that when > >sprayed on your hair daily, they stimulate the growth of hair from hair > >follicles on your head that are not dead but dormant. > > > >The hair line on my forehead has moved a full inch forward. It works > >quickly. In just 2 weeks after starting a daily application of our > >water based homeopathic herbal/mineral spray, most people will see tiny > >little hairs growing out of your scalp. Your skin will become smoother > >and softer with fewer wrinkles. So far, those who have tried it have > >seen up to a 1/4" growth of new hair in bald spots in only 4 weeks. The > >hair coming in is closer in color to your original hair color. > > > >In short, it brings life back to your hair and skin. > > > >I have discussed this new discovery with Hugh Lovel and Lorraine Cahill > >who are very excited about it. > > > >The introductory price for our hair spray is $99 for a six month supply > >plus $5 shipping and handling. Compared to Rogaine®, which sells for > >about $60 for a month's supply, or $360 for 6 months, it's positively > >cheap. It works faster than Rogaine® and contains no artificial > >ingredients or poisons. The organic herbs and minerals added to the > >purified spring water that makes up the base are at a concentration of > >less than one part per billion. > > > >We have a sufficient supply in stock and ready to ship to handle any > >order size up to 5,000 bottles. > > > >Please post this on bdnow. Thanks. > > > >Greg Willis > >Agri-Synthesis®, Inc. > >POB 10007 > >Napa, CA 94581 >
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
>Jesus Allan is this a joke? I'm not sure this will help. > >Jane Forwarded, Jane, from Greg without judgement. Hopefully, Greg will explain more to us about his new insights and marketing approaches. I guess I could get excited about 1000's of middle-aged men walking around with potentized preps on their heads in this country! -Allan
Tractor Turnaround space Re: introduction and a WHOLE lottaquestions
Woody and/or Barbara said: >Say 40% of that is paths and tractor turnaround space, and you've >got 12,000 square feet of bed space, I'm in the process of fencing a 7 acre garden. I plan on spading down cover crops and using a bedshaper for the first couple of years, but I also plan on getting the tractor out of the garden as soon as possible. The goal is permanent raised beds. Right now the garden area is too wet to have the tractor in to do a real-world tryout, but I really need to be determining how much space to leave for turnaround. In a way, I'd prefer to work to the fence and back out of the row, but I have to admit that in the long run, that's a literal pain in the neck and restrictive (or impossible later in the season.) How much land, my friends, do YOU set aside for end-of-row tractor turnabout? (ouch! with implements, of course.) I guess I'm hoping against hope that a few have worked out tricks that will keep me from setting all that fenced garden aside of tractor geometry a couple of times a season. -Allan
Antibiotics and Commercial Chicken
From the New York Times: NATIONAL = Poultry Industry Quietly Cuts Back on Antibiotic Use Responding to longstanding concerns about health risks with a major change in policy, the poultry industry is greatly reducing the antibiotics that are fed to healthy chickens. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/10/national/10CHIC.html?todaysheadlines
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
Jesus Allan is this a joke? I'm not sure this will help. Jane - Original Message - From: "bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays >Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:14:26 -0800 >From: Greg Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Accept-Language: en >To: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Agri-Synthesis sprays > >Dear Allan, > >I can now announce that we have formulated our sprays such that when >sprayed on your hair daily, they stimulate the growth of hair from hair >follicles on your head that are not dead but dormant. > >The hair line on my forehead has moved a full inch forward. It works >quickly. In just 2 weeks after starting a daily application of our >water based homeopathic herbal/mineral spray, most people will see tiny >little hairs growing out of your scalp. Your skin will become smoother >and softer with fewer wrinkles. So far, those who have tried it have >seen up to a 1/4" growth of new hair in bald spots in only 4 weeks. The >hair coming in is closer in color to your original hair color. > >In short, it brings life back to your hair and skin. > >I have discussed this new discovery with Hugh Lovel and Lorraine Cahill >who are very excited about it. > >The introductory price for our hair spray is $99 for a six month supply >plus $5 shipping and handling. Compared to Rogaine®, which sells for >about $60 for a month's supply, or $360 for 6 months, it's positively >cheap. It works faster than Rogaine® and contains no artificial >ingredients or poisons. The organic herbs and minerals added to the >purified spring water that makes up the base are at a concentration of >less than one part per billion. > >We have a sufficient supply in stock and ready to ship to handle any >order size up to 5,000 bottles. > >Please post this on bdnow. Thanks. > >Greg Willis >Agri-Synthesis®, Inc. >POB 10007 >Napa, CA 94581
Re: introduction and a WHOLE lotta questions
Hi! Jennifer, You got a good answer from Aurora Farm and I go along with all they said. Getting going in manageable steps is important, or you will break your heart and create a weed patch. Compost and mulch are the main tools to get the garden firing and to reduce work, weeds and imputes. With goat poo, I would suggest it is like sheep, which has a mucus that resists break down. It should never be applied direct, as should no bird or animal manure. Only well composted. Sheep and goat tends to be dry andun-wet-able. At least, it needs physically breaking up and wetting well, before composting. One can use a concrete mixer with just enough water to make a slurry and rocks or broken clay bricks to break the manure up.. As with handling any manure, avoid breathing in the dust and get your tetanus shots up to date. If you site the concrete mixer near the compost site, empty into the barrow, remove the rocks and make the compost right away. You will need a lot of vegetable material/ paper/ what ever. If it is dry, wet it in an old bath of water. Paper should be wet to the point of falling apart. The bigger range of materials the better, as you will get a bigger range of minerals etc. I like to include some bird manure, if available, for extra nitrogen and as important, extra heat, as sheep and goat are not very hot, when composting. If possible always include some green material. I like to include a sprinkle of finely crushed volcanic rock dust, as one can be too organic and too little mineral. I use compounds made from old wooden pallets wired together making spaces about 1.2 Metres square and as high, make several in a row. Start at one end, filling them in order. Layer the material in thin layers, manure, vegetable material, manure etc. I make up the Compost Preps as a liquid and add a little each layer or two. After two weeks in the warm part of the year, longer if cold, build a new compound at the starting end and open the first compound, take the top and front and place in the middle of the bottom of the new compound, then empty the middle out. Place the material from the sides and back in the new space and then turn the rest and place it of top. Level the heap and if another compound is available also add that to the new compound. After another two weeks turn it again, moving it back to the original compound. After another two weeks, you should have usable compost. I have a large screen with one inch holes, which I pass the compost through as part of the mixing process. In the early stages the heat should be too hot to comfortably place the arm. The amount of water required is considerable, about one third by volume. Dryness is one of the greatest mistakes in compost. The compost is finished when it cools down. If still hot, it is still working. When finished, I like to add some worm casts and worms to allow worms to establish before use. Compost is a living environment and must be kept damp if stored before use. The pallet compounds makes compost quicker than open heaps. I include bones, twigs, corn storks, nut shells etc, that takes a long time to break down and just sieve them out at the end and add them to the next lot, until eventually broken down. Gil
