Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams

[Michael Smith]

oh, I give them their fave food and just dump it on the other side of the
fence, then drop in a yardstick as they nosh. While the stick might spook
them a bit, they get over it and prefer food over a scary foreign object.
This is with one of my more tame rams, though.

To answer Tiana's question: from what state does your stock come from? Are
you American Blackbelly, or Barbados Blackbelly?
In California, the AB sheep (I have never seen a BB ram) have typically
been exposed to some standard 300 lb wool sheep and painted desert sheep
with good, curly horns, back in their ancestry.  My flock is not a large
quantity, only 15 sheep, and only half have good markings that would be
called conforming. My breeding is for coat -markings, not size, since
everyone is basically the same. Also, I don't sell or eat mine, so it's my
own personal project, which is why I am not concerned about carcass weight.

my ewes are generally a bit lighter in weight than the rams, but have the
same overall appearance. The few wethered rams I have look just like the
ewes (including the smaller heads--compared to horned rams) and are maybe
2-3" taller at the shoulder

also, the pictures are taken in the late summer, when the grass is at it's
dryest. I find it bloats their rumens quite a bit, compared to wet grass in
the winter/spring. So, in the winter, they get all muscular and a layer of
fat on their ribs, but their stomachs appear flatter on the sides. In the
summer, I have to fight to provide better nutrients and they can get a bit
ribby, but their stomachs look much bigger, all day long, giving them a
"big" appearance.

-Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies.



On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Rick Krach <rickkr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Michael, I'll put a picture of my ram on the Blackbelly FB page or email
> it to you after I take some today.  I, actually measuring him would be a
> joke since I cannot really, safely catch him.
>
>
> Rick Krach
> in Auburn, CA
>
>
> 
> > From: mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 19:32:19 -0700
> > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams
> >
> > Rick, I measured one of the rams in that video at 29" at the shoulder
> > (subtracting the hair on his shoulders--so it;s a true measurement)
> >
> > how big are your non-crossed rams?
> >
> > -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Rick Krach <rickkr...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wow, this was a really great video. Now that you show it again, I
> remember the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were.
> What in the world do you do to get such big sheep? My American Blackbellies
> are much thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs!
> >>
> >> Rick Krach
> >> in Auburn, CA
>
>
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Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams

[Michael Smith]

Rick, I did not measure around the belly of the ram, I measured the
height of his shoulder from the ground. About 29" minus the tuft of
hair.  that measurement is a bit easier to get. The picture of the
darker brown ram you sent to me privately looks on par with my rams,
mine sometimes look fatter because of the graze they eat.

-Michael. Perino Ranch Blackbellies

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Rick Krach <rickkr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Michael, I'll put a picture of my ram on the Blackbelly FB page or email it 
> to you after I take some today.  I, actually measuring him would be a joke 
> since I cannot really, safely catch him.
>
>
> Rick Krach
> in Auburn, CA
>
>
> 
>> From: mwsmotorspo...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 19:32:19 -0700
>> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
>> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams
>>
>> Rick, I measured one of the rams in that video at 29" at the shoulder
>> (subtracting the hair on his shoulders--so it;s a true measurement)
>>
>> how big are your non-crossed rams?
>>
>> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Rick Krach <rickkr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, this was a really great video. Now that you show it again, I remember 
>>> the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were. What in 
>>> the world do you do to get such big sheep? My American Blackbellies are 
>>> much thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs!
>>>
>>> Rick Krach
>>> in Auburn, CA
>
>
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Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams

[Tiana Franklin]

That's a great question from Rich. I'd also like to know Micheal. Are you
selective breeding for larger carcass? I have been trying to selectively
breed for larger carcass and I finally feel like this year I have a couple
of lambs that are more of what I have been aiming for. Michael do your ewes
have big bodies as well?

Tiana
Stomp & Steer Ranch
On Jun 22, 2016 8:14 AM, "Rick Krach"  wrote:


Wow, this was a really great video.  Now that you show it again, I remember
the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were.  What in
the world do you do to get such big sheep?  My American Blackbellies are
much thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs!

Rick Krach
in Auburn, CA



>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:06:06 -0700
> From: Michael Smith
> To: blackbelly
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] need photo of horned rams fighting
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> no lambs this year--so not much news, but so far I seem to have treated
the
> couple of sheep that were real thin and might have been suffering from
> Coryne, using gobs of penicillin ( my local vets recommendation).
>
> here's a movie that might have some frames you can grab that are decent. I
> might have the master movie at work, could try to get a cleaner version of
> a frame or two, there
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnAw_zVofm8
>
> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies
>


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Re: [Blackbelly] fighting rams

[Michael Smith]

Rick, I measured one of the rams in that video at 29" at the shoulder
(subtracting the hair on his shoulders--so it;s a true measurement)

how big are your non-crossed rams?

-Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Rick Krach  wrote:
>
> Wow, this was a really great video.  Now that you show it again, I remember 
> the original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were.  What in 
> the world do you do to get such big sheep?  My American Blackbellies are much 
> thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs!
>
> Rick Krach
> in Auburn, CA
>
>
>
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:06:06 -0700
>> From: Michael Smith
>> To: blackbelly
>> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] need photo of horned rams fighting
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> no lambs this year--so not much news, but so far I seem to have treated the
>> couple of sheep that were real thin and might have been suffering from
>> Coryne, using gobs of penicillin ( my local vets recommendation).
>>
>> here's a movie that might have some frames you can grab that are decent. I
>> might have the master movie at work, could try to get a cleaner version of
>> a frame or two, there
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnAw_zVofm8
>>
>> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies
>>
>
>
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[Blackbelly] fighting rams

[Rick Krach]

Wow, this was a really great video.  Now that you show it again, I remember the 
original, but I didn't remember how LARGE all three rams were.  What in the 
world do you do to get such big sheep?  My American Blackbellies are much 
thinner, so that I cross them with Dorpers to get larger lambs!

Rick Krach
in Auburn, CA 



> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 14:06:06 -0700
> From: Michael Smith 
> To: blackbelly 
> Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] need photo of horned rams fighting
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> no lambs this year--so not much news, but so far I seem to have treated the
> couple of sheep that were real thin and might have been suffering from
> Coryne, using gobs of penicillin ( my local vets recommendation).
> 
> here's a movie that might have some frames you can grab that are decent. I
> might have the master movie at work, could try to get a cleaner version of
> a frame or two, there
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnAw_zVofm8
> 
> -Michael, Perino Ranch Blackbellies
> 

  
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