Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:05:43 -0400 From: Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Blackbox web site] Mr. Brigham Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Originally I understood the use of Un*x was to protect against lawsuits from ATT during the great BSD Freedom wars. Yes; and IIRC UNIX (ie all upper-case) is still a trademark of ATT/Bell Labs, no? no, it belongs to The Open Group (http://www.opengroup.org/) -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 12:01PM up 6 days, 22:20, 10 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.08, 0.03
beta3 mouse shading
I just installed beta3 on one of my machines, and most everything seems rock solid. The only thing that I'm missing is a feature I'd noticed and liked that I first saw in the alpha series (I'm running alpha7 on my other box) -- being able to shade a window using the mouse wheel. Has this feature been removed from the 0.65 series? (i.e., did it accidently creep into the alpha and was later removed for addition in 0.70?) --Matthew
RE: beta3 mouse shading
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 10:55, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 23-Jul-2002 Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: I just installed beta3 on one of my machines, and most everything seems rock solid. The only thing that I'm missing is a feature I'd noticed and liked that I first saw in the alpha series (I'm running alpha7 on my other box) -- being able to shade a window using the mouse wheel. Has this feature been removed from the 0.65 series? (i.e., did it accidently creep into the alpha and was later removed for addition in 0.70?) --Matthew It was never in blackbox. There have been patches but it was not added to the official code base. That would explain it -- I use the wheel-mouse patches when I compile, and the beta-series patch must differ from the one I used when compiling the alpha series. I'll see if I can determine what's different and perhaps upload the new one. Thanks! Matthew
RE: beta3 mouse shading
On 23-Jul-2002 Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: I determined what changes I needed to make -- the beta series wheel mouse patch only applies to switching workspaces, and thus only affected Screen.cc; the original patch I had was from x0r, and also had code for the window shading and thus affected Window.cc. I determined where to insert the code, did so, compiled, and everything works beautifully now. Since I know others on the list like to use this particular patch, I've now got another question: how do I make the patch? I'm not a C programmer, and I don't normally create or use patches. Do I simply do a diff on my files versus the original source? basically. cd blackbox make distclean cd .. cp -a blackbox blackbox-orig cd blackbox hack hack hack make distclean cd .. diff -pruN blackbox-orig blackbox mystuff.patch the -pru option is the format I prefer, other projects may request -prc. Once you have your patch go to sf.net and place it on blackbox's patch tracker so others can enjoy.
Re: Success: Building 0.65.0beta3 with MIPSpro
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 09:00:39AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: math.h is the wrong header, it should be stdlib.h (in C++ cfoo means it is the wrapper for foo.h). ok, yes, it is in stdlib.h, you are right. the issue here then is that there is no stdlib.h C++ wrapper on IRIX. that's kinda silly. I can drop the std:: and use stdlib.h. only if it is not a problem for you to do so, then that's probably the best way unless there is some benefit to using the std:: version that i am not aware of. hopefully we can avoid source changes. ok, i'll operate under the assumption that you'll come up with a solution that meets everyone's need and doesn't need special source for each platform. However I would like configure to be able to set the compiler flags properly. as would i. i'm looking into how this configure beast works to see if i can come up with a solution. if anyone is familiar with the internals of the configure process i could use a couple pointers. thanks!! cheers!! -brian -- I mean Twinkies are good but getting shot really hurts. -- http://www.thisisatastyburger.com/ --
Re: beta3 and bbappconf iconic
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 12:29, Ben Jansens wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 12:16:38PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: I'm not sure exactly when I started using bbappconf -- if it was with 0.62.1 or with an early 0.65 alpha. However, when I originally used it, running bbappconf -i wouldn't iconify bbappconf properly -- I'd get a little, blank, decorless window in my upper left screen on each workspace. As a result, I started using bbappconf -w so I at least wouldn't see it so much (I run my slit as autohide). Recently, in alpha8, I discovered it was once again iconifying properly. Then, today, when I upgraded to beta3, it reverted to it's weird behavior once again. Is this a problem with bbappconf? Or is there code that has changed and changed back again for the bbtools that would cause this behaviour? I don't notice the same thing happening with bbkeys, the only other bbtool I currently run, which leads me to believe it's a problem with bbappconf... Anybody else noticing this? figured out a patch? IIRC bbappconf hs never iconified right. I made a patch a long time ago for bbappconf. Grab it at http://xor.orodu.net/bb/bbappconf.move_resize_fix_iconify.patch Maybe that'll solve your problem. Thanks! It did! bbappMan now appears in my Icons list, and doesn't fuzz up either my screen or slit. Thanks a bundle! xOr -- I am damn unsatisfied to be killed in this way. On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 12:23, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Where did you get bbappconf from? The source code is at: http://bbtools.windsofstorm.net/sources/devel/bbappconf-0.0.1-peak3.tar.gz and an unofficial Debian package can be found at: http://research.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~james/download/bbappconf_0.0.1-peak3-1_i386.deb I'd actually had the Debian package installed, so I had to search through Google to find the source code -- which is buried in the bbtools site, and never linked from their pages. It might be nice if someone -- perhaps the maintainers of the FAQ -- would inquire into getting permission to host the source and Debian packages on their site, so that this app won't get lost over time. --Matthew
RE: beta3 mouse shading
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 12:17, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 23-Jul-2002 Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: I determined what changes I needed to make -- the beta series wheel mouse patch only applies to switching workspaces, and thus only affected Screen.cc; the original patch I had was from x0r, and also had code for the window shading and thus affected Window.cc. I determined where to insert the code, did so, compiled, and everything works beautifully now. Since I know others on the list like to use this particular patch, I've now got another question: how do I make the patch? I'm not a C programmer, and I don't normally create or use patches. Do I simply do a diff on my files versus the original source? basically. cd blackbox make distclean cd .. cp -a blackbox blackbox-orig cd blackbox hack hack hack make distclean cd .. diff -pruN blackbox-orig blackbox mystuff.patch the -pru option is the format I prefer, other projects may request -prc. Once you have your patch go to sf.net and place it on blackbox's patch tracker so others can enjoy. Thanks for the instructions! I've done this, and the patch is now uploaded to the sf.net patch tracker. --Matthew
Re: beta3 mouse shading
Thank you so much! I applied the patch manually (cuz I don't know how to do it properly and I don't feel like finding out atm) and I recompiled and made an RPM. Yay! It works great. On Tuesday 23 July 2002 01:42 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 12:17, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 23-Jul-2002 Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: I determined what changes I needed to make -- the beta series wheel mouse patch only applies to switching workspaces, and thus only affected Screen.cc; the original patch I had was from x0r, and also had code for the window shading and thus affected Window.cc. I determined where to insert the code, did so, compiled, and everything works beautifully now. Since I know others on the list like to use this particular patch, I've now got another question: how do I make the patch? I'm not a C programmer, and I don't normally create or use patches. Do I simply do a diff on my files versus the original source? basically. cd blackbox make distclean cd .. cp -a blackbox blackbox-orig cd blackbox hack hack hack make distclean cd .. diff -pruN blackbox-orig blackbox mystuff.patch the -pru option is the format I prefer, other projects may request -prc. Once you have your patch go to sf.net and place it on blackbox's patch tracker so others can enjoy. Thanks for the instructions! I've done this, and the patch is now uploaded to the sf.net patch tracker. --Matthew -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting.
Re: beta3 mouse shading
On 23-Jul-2002 D. Olson wrote: Thank you so much! I applied the patch manually (cuz I don't know how to do it properly and I don't feel like finding out atm) and I recompiled and made an RPM. Yay! It works great. cd blackbox patch -p1 /path/to/patch
Re: beta3 mouse shading
On Tuesday 23 July 2002 02:42 pm, you wrote: On 23-Jul-2002 D. Olson wrote: Thank you so much! I applied the patch manually (cuz I don't know how to do it properly and I don't feel like finding out atm) and I recompiled and made an RPM. Yay! It works great. cd blackbox patch -p1 /path/to/patch Thanks. I will keep this command in my Linux journal so that I know what to do from here on. I don't mind patching manually though. I am not that big of a programmer, but I like to see some source sometimes. :) -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting.
decor updates in cvs
If you use windows with no decor or minimal decor or are a heavy bbtool user please consider testing the cvs code. I made a few cleanups today which appear to be sound but I would like to hear positive results from a few users. Specifically: does your window lose its close button unexpectedly? if you toggle decor on and off does the decor change?
Re: decor updates in cvs
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 12:18:51PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: does your window lose its close button unexpectedly? not that i've seen. seems ok so far. if you toggle decor on and off does the decor change? yep, the decor does change. one new thing that i did notice is that windows without decor get it back on a bb restart, but then continue to behave normally. what used to happen (and i'm not sure if this is a new change or not) was the window would get decor back but would think that it was decor-less (so if you toggled again it would continue to have decorations, a second toggle would turn them back off). point is the current behaviour seems better than what i'd previously observed. any way that they can continue to stay decor-less through a restart? Russ -- === | Russ Burdick | What do the good know...except what the | |=== bad teach them by their excesses? -Clive Barker| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://extrapolation.net | ===
Re: decor updates in cvs
if you toggle decor on and off does the decor change? yep, the decor does change. one new thing that i did notice is that windows without decor get it back on a bb restart, but then continue to behave normally. what used to happen (and i'm not sure if this is a new change or not) was the window would get decor back but would think that it was decor-less (so if you toggled again it would continue to have decorations, a second toggle would turn them back off). point is the current behaviour seems better than what i'd previously observed. any way that they can continue to stay decor-less through a restart? perhaps I was not clear. I mean if you toggle decor off, then toggle it back is the decor displayed the same as it was before it was disabled. As to the decorless window over a restart, I am looking into it.
Re: decor updates in cvs
On Tuesday 23 July 2002 03:44 pm, you wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 12:18:51PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: does your window lose its close button unexpectedly? not that i've seen. seems ok so far. if you toggle decor on and off does the decor change? yep, the decor does change. one new thing that i did notice is that windows without decor get it back on a bb restart, but then continue to behave normally. what used to happen (and i'm not sure if this is a new change or not) was the window would get decor back but would think that it was decor-less (so if you toggled again it would continue to have decorations, a second toggle would turn them back off). point is the current behaviour seems better than what i'd previously observed. any way that they can continue to stay decor-less through a restart? Russ Sorry, I am dumb... Is there a hot key to toggle this or something? Actually, more importantly, is this a feature available beta3? -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting.
Re: decor updates in cvs
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 04:10:22PM -0400, D. Olson wrote: Sorry, I am dumb... Is there a hot key to toggle this or something? Actually, more importantly, is this a feature available beta3? as far as i know it's been in blackbox for a while, including the recent betas. as for toggling, from my ~/.bbkeysrc: KeyToGrab(d), WithModifier(Shift+Mod1), WithAction(ToggleDecor) Russ -- === | Russ Burdick | What do the good know...except what the | |=== bad teach them by their excesses? -Clive Barker| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://extrapolation.net | ===
Re: decor updates in cvs
Sorry, I am dumb... Is there a hot key to toggle this or something? Actually, more importantly, is this a feature available beta3? bbkeys has a binding for this there is no way to do it directly from blackbox.
Re: decor updates in cvs
* D. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jul 23. 2002 22:10]: yep, the decor does change. one new thing that i did notice is that windows without decor get it back on a bb restart, but then continue to behave normally. what used to happen (and i'm not sure if this is a new change or not) was the window would get decor back but would think that it was decor-less (so if you toggled again it would continue to have decorations, a second toggle would turn them back off). point is the current behaviour seems better than what i'd previously observed. any way that they can continue to stay decor-less through a restart? Sorry, I am dumb... Is there a hot key to toggle this or something? Actually, more importantly, is this a feature available beta3? It's been in Blackbox for quite some time. This line in .bbkeysrc makes Alt-F10 toggle the decoration: KeyToGrab(F10), WithModifier(Mod1), WithAction(ToggleDecor) -- Mads Martin Jørgensen, http://mmj.dk Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogic, with just a little bit more effort? -- A. P. J.
Re: decor updates in cvs
As to the decorless window over a restart, I am looking into it. excellent. keep up the good work! for whatever reason the decor was not handled by the code which restores a window on startup. I added in the code. Needs loads of testing.
Re: decor updates in cvs
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 01:51:01PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: for whatever reason the decor was not handled by the code which restores a window on startup. I added in the code. Needs loads of testing. just gave it a try and it is working here. everything behaved as expected on restart, including windows with and without decor. Russ -- === | Russ Burdick | What do the good know...except what the | |=== bad teach them by their excesses? -Clive Barker| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://extrapolation.net | ===
Re: beta3 and bbappconf iconic
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 01:29:02PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: The source code is at: http://bbtools.windsofstorm.net/sources/devel/bbappconf-0.0.1-peak3.tar.gz and an unofficial Debian package can be found at: http://research.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~james/download/bbappconf_0.0.1-peak3-1_i386.deb [... snip ...] --Matthew Just a quick note to say that the bbappconf Debian package will be moving to http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/jwrobinson/dl.html James. -- | James Robinson | | Graphics + IP research group, Staffordshire University | | A PC without Windows is like a chocolate cake without mustard. |
Re: decor updates in cvs
On Tuesday 23 July 2002 04:16 pm, you wrote: Sorry, I am dumb... Is there a hot key to toggle this or something? Actually, more importantly, is this a feature available beta3? bbkeys has a binding for this there is no way to do it directly from blackbox. Wow. Now that is neat. Thanks. Again, sorry for the dumb question. -- D. Olson The Mandrake eXPerience http://mdkxp.by-a.com/ MUB-NWN http://nwn.by-a.com/ WinXP - the best thing since induced vomitting.
RE: beta3 mouse shading
Or if you use CVS, just patch once and it'll stay in your tree :) On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 04:17, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 23-Jul-2002 Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: I determined what changes I needed to make -- the beta series wheel mouse patch only applies to switching workspaces, and thus only affected Screen.cc; the original patch I had was from x0r, and also had code for the window shading and thus affected Window.cc. I determined where to insert the code, did so, compiled, and everything works beautifully now. Since I know others on the list like to use this particular patch, I've now got another question: how do I make the patch? I'm not a C programmer, and I don't normally create or use patches. Do I simply do a diff on my files versus the original source? basically. cd blackbox make distclean cd .. cp -a blackbox blackbox-orig cd blackbox hack hack hack make distclean cd .. diff -pruN blackbox-orig blackbox mystuff.patch the -pru option is the format I prefer, other projects may request -prc. Once you have your patch go to sf.net and place it on blackbox's patch tracker so others can enjoy. -- Brought to you by the letter D and the number 2
Re: decor updates in cvs
On Wed, 2002-07-24 at 07:18, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: If you use windows with no decor or minimal decor or are a heavy bbtool user please consider testing the cvs code. I made a few cleanups today which appear to be sound but I would like to hear positive results from a few users. Specifically: does your window lose its close button unexpectedly? Nope... it seems to be working fine here. if you toggle decor on and off does the decor change? Nope... it comes back same as it was. It also seems to work fine across a restart. Only thing I can see is when I un-decor a shaded window, it unshades (that's fine) but when I re-decor it it stays unshaded. Is this intended? Not that it's a big problem... I was just wondering if it was meant to do that. Oh, and why or are a heavy bbtool user? My bbtools all sit in the slit, and don't focus, let alone decor... Keep up the great work :) Matt. -- Brought to you by the letter D and the number 2
Re: decor updates in cvs
I'm not sure quite what's caused it, but it was something to do with switching decor on/off multiple times - two of the three windows I was decor-switching have done it: now the decor draws in unfocused state fine, but focused state doesn't update the decor properly - all but the font(-color) stay as if unfocused. This happened to Ximian Evolution and an XTerm, but not the galeon window I was doing the same to... -- Brought to you by the letter D and the number 2
Re: decor updates in cvs
It also seems to work fine across a restart. Only thing I can see is when I un-decor a shaded window, it unshades (that's fine) but when I re-decor it it stays unshaded. Is this intended? Not that it's a big problem... I was just wondering if it was meant to do that. Oh, and why or are a heavy bbtool user? My bbtools all sit in the slit, and don't focus, let alone decor... many bbtools set states so that the maximize button is not displayed.
Re: decor updates in cvs
On 23-Jul-2002 Matt Wilson wrote: I'm not sure quite what's caused it, but it was something to do with switching decor on/off multiple times - two of the three windows I was decor-switching have done it: now the decor draws in unfocused state fine, but focused state doesn't update the decor properly - all but the font(-color) stay as if unfocused. This happened to Ximian Evolution and an XTerm, but not the galeon window I was doing the same to... hmm, can not reproduce it here, but this is why I asked for testers.
