[BlindHandyMan] Fixing Our Garage Door
Hi All Well we narrowly escaped an accident ready to happened. As I opened one of the tilt doors on our garage yesterday I noticed it opened differently. After inspection I noticed that the pivot bolt in the middle of the arms on one side was ready to break off. There is an arm coming down from the top into a bracket on the inside of the door jamb then a smaller arm down to the large coil spring. It works just like your elbow bending and then straightening each time the door is opened and closed. I had to take both arms off plus the bracket which are all joined together because of the pivot bolt being welded in Then drill out the weld on the back of the pivot bolt, cut some small steel channel to go inside this area and using a half inch bolt replace the mechanism back into place. This happened on the other side some time ago so it is time I think to replace both doors soon. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] Blind Handy Man Room on VIP Conduit
Hi All The blind handy Man room on VIP Conduit is now ready for us to utilise so please join and come on in. I have the link for the form you must fill in before becoming a member the link is at the bottom of this message. http://www.vipconduit.com/joinform.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
I used to help set the big tanks when I lived in Buffalo. Propane is usually found in the country. So many people used oil up there if gas wasn't available. I heated my garage with propane and the good part was, when I worked for that company, the gas was free! - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I don't know if they make one or not. It still gives off carbon monoxide, it just doesn't gloat like natural gas will. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Do they make a propane detector? If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you'd stop smoking you wouldn't need a detector... hahaha The only time your theory with height has a problem is if you heat with propane. Propane is very heavy and thus they recommend 18 inches from the floor. But, that is only if anyone heats with propane. I've seen the recommendations of higher levels for the carbon monoxide detectors too. In fact if you are a landlord in North Carolina, you are now required to provide a detector. The model I bought has a cord that pulls out to plug it in. If there is a cord, have to figure they don't mean for it to sit on the floor. I would have to find the law again but as I remember it says no less then 36 inches from the floor. Most I've talked to that know what they are talking about say to mount detectors close to the height of the thermostat. Smoke detectors are recommended over doors because smoke will roller coaster as it goes from room to room. Sorry I'm lacking on examples and details but that's why your emails are so good... - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT! Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
Dan Around here (upstate New York) folks that live within city limits have natural gas piped in by our utility provider. However, if you live outside the city like my parents and sister do, you heat with propane unless you burn wood, use fuel oil, or heat with electric (not many do this) hope this helps. Also, what is the model and make of these units you bought? We need to replace ours and these sound interesting Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:07 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi, installing one is a breeze really. Most can be easily installed just a few inches below the ground or it can be just laid on the ground and just let the grass grow over the wire. Some can even be done like traditional fencing. Like I say installing the fence is not the problem. If the dogs is not properly trained the fence will not work. This usual takes somewhere around 2 weeks to a month. Now this is on average. It may take more it depends on the dog you are trying to teach. May I ask what do you are trying to keep in? Is it your seeing eye dog? Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover
I have a 115 year old house and the chimney tops are the clay decorative type. They are about 30 to 34 inches high, the bottom ends are about 10 to 12 inches square, and the tops are about 9 or 10 inches in diameter. Here is the problem. I want to plug them at the top, to keep out rain, but also to keep them from drawing air out of the house because the dampers are not air tight. I have 5 of them and four are from fireplaces that are no longer in use, and one is the vent for my water heater. I want to plug the ones that are for the fire places because I will be using bventless gas log sets ultimately. Does anyone know of a way to plug them at the top? I am aware of the sheep metal tops to keep out the rain, but I want to plug them to be air tight. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom , Newport, Kentucky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover
Get some of that XPS that is used for insulation, cut to fit, cuts real easy with a hand saw, push it down the chimney a few inches. Then use some of that great stuff spray foam on top to make sure it is all sealed up, then put a chimney cap on it to prevent rain and snow from sitting on top of the foam. XPS is what first came to mind, but probably anything you can stuff in there to hold the spray foam up should work. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hodges Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:54 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover I have a 115 year old house and the chimney tops are the clay decorative type. They are about 30 to 34 inches high, the bottom ends are about 10 to 12 inches square, and the tops are about 9 or 10 inches in diameter. Here is the problem. I want to plug them at the top, to keep out rain, but also to keep them from drawing air out of the house because the dampers are not air tight. I have 5 of them and four are from fireplaces that are no longer in use, and one is the vent for my water heater. I want to plug the ones that are for the fire places because I will be using bventless gas log sets ultimately. Does anyone know of a way to plug them at the top? I am aware of the sheep metal tops to keep out the rain, but I want to plug them to be air tight. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom , Newport, Kentucky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
RE: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
No, the tanks are not kept in the house. Maybe in extreme cold temps they could be kept in some kind of shelter, but normally the propane tank is out side, or even under ground now, with just the valve and meter sticking above ground. Federal, state, and local codes dictate where the propane tank can be placed. The most common size is a 500 gallon tank. 250 and 1000 gallon tanks are also available for residential use. The tank is normally filled to 80% capacity, otherwise the propane will expand to much, and could blow up the tank, if the safety valve is not working properly. In the winter, our supplier actually filled ours to 85% capacity. As far as not vaporizing in the extreme cold, a propane vaporizer is used. I am not sure how cold it needs to be to use one of these. In the Midwest, we never had an issue with not getting enough propane to run the furnace. They are also used when the tank can not vaporize enough propane for downline use. The propane is pumped to the vaporizer as a liquid, and then vaporized, and sent down stream. One other thing neat about propane, is you can use copper tubing. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:24 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi Joy, I have an invisible fence installed in my yard. I used it with my last dog for approximately 12 years. I installed it myself and trained my dog to respect the fence. The installation was quite simple and took approximately 4 hours. The company from which I purchased the fence supplied a video tape on how to train your dog. The instructions were easy to follow and it took me about a week to train my dog. If you're talking about buying your fence from a company actually called Invisible Fence, I strongly suggest you search the Internet for electronic animal enclosures before you spend your money. When I talked to the Invisible Fence company, they wanted $1500.00 to install a fence and train my dog for half a day. I purchased a very similar fence on the Internet for $300.00. Again, that was 12 years ago so I would imagine that the price at Invisible Fence has gone up considerably. Hope this helps. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
hi dan most people up here in minnesota have a large 500 gallon pig as there called out back of the house. it looks like a large oval pillow. and this big truck comes and fills it up when ever you call them. well that is if you have paid for the last stuff you got, grin. they put something in it to make itflash off when it is very cold. but it works just fine. jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
Dan: Lots of folks in more rural areas heat with propane as Michael has pointed out. What can happen in cold weather is that ice will form on the outside of a tank if a tank is being emptied too quickly. It's a viscious circle, and the lower the level of propane in a tank, the thicker the ice can become under some conditions. If say, you had a 500,000 BTU space heater operating off of one 100 lb cylinder and the temps were say, below 20, you'd likely have icing, and eventually the heater would quit. We used to gang two or more tanks together so that the surface area was larger and the draw slower by half, and that helped in most cases. If memory serves, propane boils at -40 so at temps lower than that, you'd have to heat it somehow. A 500 gallon tank is so large that I doubt icing would be a problem, particularly if it were burried. Probably more than you needed to know. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi d...@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:24 am Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr delig...@aei.ca Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Dear Ed, Yes that does help, ... thank you! I was wondering about price, and I hadn't realized there was a company called invisible fence until I tried to do a quick search on the net. I was startled since I didn't think it had to be installed by the company. I will do a search for electronic enclosures, ... thanks for that tip. (Besides, I wouldn't want some unknown person training my dog!) Encouraging that your dog took to it so quickly, and that it was relatively economical. May I ask about how large is the area you enclosed? Thanks again, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! - Original Message - From: Edward Przybylek To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Hi Joy, I have an invisible fence installed in my yard. I used it with my last dog for approximately 12 years. I installed it myself and trained my dog to respect the fence. The installation was quite simple and took approximately 4 hours. The company from which I purchased the fence supplied a video tape on how to train your dog. The instructions were easy to follow and it took me about a week to train my dog. If you're talking about buying your fence from a company actually called Invisible Fence, I strongly suggest you search the Internet for electronic animal enclosures before you spend your money. When I talked to the Invisible Fence company, they wanted $1500.00 to install a fence and train my dog for half a day. I purchased a very similar fence on the Internet for $300.00. Again, that was 12 years ago so I would imagine that the price at Invisible Fence has gone up considerably. Hope this helps. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Dear Bill, Thank you, those are definitely good points and I can't say I'd thought of them. I don't think they pose a problem (except for the dog potentially jumping the wire in spite of the shock, ... have no way to evaluate that as of yet since I don't yet have the dog), but insuring the fence line doesn't pose a problem to cross would be wise to keep in mind when planning the exact parameters of the enclosure. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
Thanks to everyone who has set me straight on propane and home heating. All very interesting stuff. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
I convinced my wife that we really needed to get ventless logs for the fireplace rather than monkey around with wood, so I just bought a couple combo detecters as well, though mine are not networked in any way. I also did some research into the relative weights, and the only thing I found that is different from what Dan has so well explained is that apparently mixing can be affected by air temperature. I suspect though that it would have to be pretty cold in a house before this would be a factor. Apparently, at least according to the manual, mine are also supposed to scream at you when the batteries are low, so we'll see. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi d...@andrew.cmu.edu Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:37 pm Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT! Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Joy, to add what Bill stated they do not always work. I have a friend who installs fencing. He put one of these in for someone. The dog would not go near the fence until one day. He bolted out of the house and crossed the fence. He quickly learned that this spot would not really hurt him. From then on he would not go near the rest of the property line but would frequently bolt through the spot where he first broke through. - Original Message - From: wstep...@everestkc.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr delig...@aei.ca Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4771 (20100114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi Bill, Not to disaggree with you but there are ways to handle large dogs who aren't afraid of crossing the fence line and getting a shock. A friend of mine had such a beast and they took care of the problem by using a receiver that was strapped around the dog's waist. This receiver was capable of a much stronger shock than the neck collar and it only took an hour or so to convince the dog he no longer wanted to cross the line. As far as a dog not wanting to leave a yard after getting a shock or two, this issue was covered on the video I received. Again, after a day or so, my dog realized he would not get a shock if he crossed the line wearing a leash. The good thing about this is that he would not cross the line if he was not wearing a leash even though he wasn't wearing his collar. This was actually a good thing. If he snuck out of the house without the collar, we knew he wouldn't go anywhere beyond the fence. Take care, Ed From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wstep...@everestkc.net Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The other thing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surrounding pretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in their vehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr delig...@aei.ca mailto:delights%40aei.ca Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Dear Joe, Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording one more likely. I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Thanks, ... good to know all sides, even the less than encouraging ones. Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dear Ed, Thanks for noting that there are ways to handle dogs that think crossing is worthwhile! Really good to know! Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Joy: If this is a guide, careful consideration is probably in order. I say this because guides do occasionally receive electgrical shocks in their working environment from things as varried as vehicles with bad wiring and stray current from street lights etc. In general, most of the guide dog trainers I have spoken with about using an E collar won't do it partly because of the potential for really confusing and spooking a dog. Obviously we all do the best we can where guides are concerned, so this is just a little more info to process. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr delig...@aei.ca Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:36 am Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Dear Joe, Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording one more likely. I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Ed, my sister is one of those people who can unwind a dog's DNA if she's around it long enough, so I have no doubt that you were able to teach your dog in the manner you mention. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Edward Przybylek przy5...@rochester.rr.com Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:53 am Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Hi Bill, Not to disaggree with you but there are ways to handle large dogs who aren't afraid of crossing the fence line and getting a shock. A friend of mine had such a beast and they took care of the problem by using a receiver that was strapped around the dog's waist. This receiver was capable of a much stronger shock than the neck collar and it only took an hour or so to convince the dog he no longer wanted to cross the line. As far as a dog not wanting to leave a yard after getting a shock or two, this issue was covered on the video I received. Again, after a day or so, my dog realized he would not get a shock if he crossed the line wearing a leash. The good thingabout this is that he would not cross the line if he was not wearing a leash even though he wasn't wearing his collar. This was actually a good thing. If he snuck out of the house without the collar, we knew he wouldn't go anywhere beyond the fence. Take care, Ed From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of wstep...@everestkc.netsent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:29 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Joy: Couple thoughts on these. First, yes, they do work, and as Ed said, they're relatively easy to install. However, remember that other dogs who aren't wearing shock collars can and likely will come and visit your dog with impunity. Whether that's a problem or not really depends on where you are and what kind of dogs are around you. I've seen instances too, where a really determined dog just blew through the shock, so you need to consider how hard or tough your dog is. The otherthing to keep in mind is that your dog is not going ever to want to cross the line where the fence is burried. If it's only in your back yard, that probably isn't much of an issue, but my sister has one of these surroundingpretty much all of her property, and her dog really panics every time they take him too close to the fence. They actually have to put him in theirvehicle, and drive over the fence before they can take him for walks. Good luck with this. Bill Stephan Kansas Citty MO Email: wstep...@everestkc.net mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net Phone: (816)803-2469 - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr delig...@aei.ca mailto:delights%40aei.ca Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:29 am Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signaturedatabase 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signaturedatabase 4771 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi Joy, You can find electronic fences at Lowes and Home Depot but I don't recommend them. After looking at numerous fences on the Internet, I purchased a unit from Innotek. If I remember correctly, the fence cost $279.00. The thing I liked about their fences is they have several safety features built into their fences that protect an animal from harm if they get into certain situations. Innotek does have a web site but it is currently under construction. If you search for electronic enclosures on Google, you'll find numerous vendors who carry Innotek products. Let me know if I can be of any further assistance. Take care, Ed Przybylek [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.comYahoo ! Groups Links __ NOD32 4771 (20100114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Hi Joy, I would strongly suggest that you talk to a guide dog instructor before you install a fence. They may have some reasons for not putting one in or some suggestions for training your dog. Take care, Ed Przybylek From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joy Cyr Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:37 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Dear Joe, Thanks for the encouragement. Knowing that they are simple to install and that a specialist isn't required does make the possibility of my affording one more likely. I'm thinking ahead for when I get a new guide dog. It would be nice for my retired guide as well, but since she is older the need to run off excess energy isn't as pressing as it will be for the new member of the family and I was thinking/hoping this might be a good way to manage. I won't have him for several months, maybe a year, which gives me lots of time to plan carefully. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4772 (20100114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
Carbon monoxide has the same molecular weight whether it comes from natural gas or propane. It's still one carbon atom and one oxygen atom. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy inthes...@att.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. I don't know if they make one or not. It still gives off carbon monoxide, it just doesn't gloat like natural gas will. - Original Message - From: Dale Leavens To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Do they make a propane detector? If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you'd stop smoking you wouldn't need a detector... hahaha The only time your theory with height has a problem is if you heat with propane. Propane is very heavy and thus they recommend 18 inches from the floor. But, that is only if anyone heats with propane. I've seen the recommendations of higher levels for the carbon monoxide detectors too. In fact if you are a landlord in North Carolina, you are now required to provide a detector. The model I bought has a cord that pulls out to plug it in. If there is a cord, have to figure they don't mean for it to sit on the floor. I would have to find the law again but as I remember it says no less then 36 inches from the floor. Most I've talked to that know what they are talking about say to mount detectors close to the height of the thermostat. Smoke detectors are recommended over doors because smoke will roller coaster as it goes from room to room. Sorry I'm lacking on examples and details but that's why your emails are so good... - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: Blind Handyman List Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT! Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
Dear Ed and Bill, First, Ed thanks for the research info, ... much easier when you start with the right search terms and a company name to look for and compare alternatives too. Secondly, please don't worry I will indeed discuss the idea with a trainer, ... but there is no point in bringing it up if I read up on it and don't like it, or can't afford to install one. However, if it is a viable option then I would like to talk it over and see what is best to be arranged. I've got a large property (too large, major headache to keep mowed in the summer), and there is sadly no way I can afford a conventional fence, which is what I'd most like to have built. At the moment there is a smaller area securely fenced that acts as a sort of dog run. However, it is a pity to have that large stretch of grass that a dog(s) would so love to play on and not be using it more than a few times a year. But I wouldn't feel comfortable going out on my own to let the dog run without some safety measures installed. So thank you for all the help, I'll go do my homework now. Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
My friend uses an invisible fence. The dog wears a special collar and if he goes to far away from the base unit he gets a shock. My friend says it doesn't hurt him, just enough to tell him to go back the other way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
how about putting the CO detector in the heater room? Is that too close, and thus give eronious readings? I need to get one and would like to put it in an open air, out of the way place. On Wed, 13 Jan 2010, Dan Rossi wrote: So, I just got some battery operated, wirelessly inter connected, voice announcing, smoke or smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. I got one combination smoke and C O detector, and two smoke detectors. The combo unit will go in the basement, and then one smoke detector on the main floor, and one in the hallway on the second floor. You program each one for the location it is in, and then if any one of them go off, all of them go off and tell you what the danger is, and where it is. IE, if the unit in the basement activates because of a carbon monoxide issue,, and it is late at night and we are snug in our beds on the second floor, all of the units, will alarm, then say, EVACUATE! CARBON MONOXIDE IN THE BASEMENT! Since these are battery operated, and wireless, there are no wires to run. Makes it quite easy to install. Just hang them on the ceiling and you are good to go. Before anyone starts raising your hand and saying that Carbon Monoxide is heavier than air and thus the detectors should be near the floor, you are mistaken. I've done a lot of research on this. There are many web sites that make this invalid claim. But the real science is more convincing. Air is made of Nitrogen, N2, with an molecular mass of 28. And Oxygen, O2, with an molecular mass of 32. Carbon Monoxide is made of a Carbon atom, atomic mass 12, and one Oxygen, atomic mass 16, giving it an molecular mass of 28, equal to N2, and lighter than Oxygen. Add to that, the fact that C O is going to be a product of combustion, IE, it will be warm and thus convect upward, and you get quite a good mix of the air and C O. Some manufacturers say to put the Co detector on the wall at eye level, but that is more for the fact that many CO detectors have visual displays showing the Parts Per Million of CO in the air, and thus it makes more sense to put it somewhere where it is more easily seen on a regular basis. I thought these were worth mentioning. They're not that cheap, the combo unit was 70 bucks, and the two pack of smoke detectors was 90 I think. I got the combo direct from amazon, but the smoke detector twin pack came from EAccess via amazon. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover
What is XPS? Never heard that designation before. Thanks, Tom From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael baldwin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:11 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover Get some of that XPS that is used for insulation, cut to fit, cuts real easy with a hand saw, push it down the chimney a few inches. Then use some of that great stuff spray foam on top to make sure it is all sealed up, then put a chimney cap on it to prevent rain and snow from sitting on top of the foam. XPS is what first came to mind, but probably anything you can stuff in there to hold the spray foam up should work. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tom Hodges Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:54 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover I have a 115 year old house and the chimney tops are the clay decorative type. They are about 30 to 34 inches high, the bottom ends are about 10 to 12 inches square, and the tops are about 9 or 10 inches in diameter. Here is the problem. I want to plug them at the top, to keep out rain, but also to keep them from drawing air out of the house because the dampers are not air tight. I have 5 of them and four are from fireplaces that are no longer in use, and one is the vent for my water heater. I want to plug the ones that are for the fire places because I will be using bventless gas log sets ultimately. Does anyone know of a way to plug them at the top? I am aware of the sheep metal tops to keep out the rain, but I want to plug them to be air tight. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom , Newport, Kentucky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
If you get a tank for heating, it has to be I seem to remember anyway, at least 10 feet from the house. Propane won't freeze unless it's exposed to oxygen and then it will frost the opening closed. When exposed to oxygen, it is way below zero. I've never looked it up but it's cold. The guy that drove the delivery tanker for the company I worked for was attacked by 2 big dogs once and he gave one of the dogs a little blast of propane on the nose. That was more than enough to run the dog off. The knock against propane is the explosiveness of it. And there is no arguing that point. The problem is, carelessness and ignorance of people mixing with the explosiveness of propane and then you really have a problem. Hey here's something probably only you can appreciate. A guy was getting ready to make his first solo sky dive. As he went out of the plane, he suddenly forgot everything he had learned. As his speed increased on the way down he kept fumbling around for the rip cord. When he looked down, he saw a guy coming up at him from the ground. He yelled to the guy :Hey! Know anything about parachutes? As the guy went past him he yelled No! Know anything about gas grills? - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover
I would imagine that you may be able to buy a box built for this purpose, as the last owners of my home installed one on one of our unused stacks. It's just a metal box that fits over the opening. - Original Message - From: Tom Hodges To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover I have a 115 year old house and the chimney tops are the clay decorative type. They are about 30 to 34 inches high, the bottom ends are about 10 to 12 inches square, and the tops are about 9 or 10 inches in diameter. Here is the problem. I want to plug them at the top, to keep out rain, but also to keep them from drawing air out of the house because the dampers are not air tight. I have 5 of them and four are from fireplaces that are no longer in use, and one is the vent for my water heater. I want to plug the ones that are for the fire places because I will be using bventless gas log sets ultimately. Does anyone know of a way to plug them at the top? I am aware of the sheep metal tops to keep out the rain, but I want to plug them to be air tight. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom , Newport, Kentucky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
Spiro, I think you are supposed to put the CO detector no closer than six feet to CO sources. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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Foam used for insulation. But like I thought of after writing that, even wadded up newspaper should work, as long as it does not fall down to far. Then if later on you want to open the chimney back up, you can cut around the spray foam, and pull everything out. Others might have other ideas. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hodges Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:29 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover What is XPS? Never heard that designation before. Thanks, Tom From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael baldwin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:11 AM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover Get some of that XPS that is used for insulation, cut to fit, cuts real easy with a hand saw, push it down the chimney a few inches. Then use some of that great stuff spray foam on top to make sure it is all sealed up, then put a chimney cap on it to prevent rain and snow from sitting on top of the foam. XPS is what first came to mind, but probably anything you can stuff in there to hold the spray foam up should work. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tom Hodges Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:54 AM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Chimney Top Cover I have a 115 year old house and the chimney tops are the clay decorative type. They are about 30 to 34 inches high, the bottom ends are about 10 to 12 inches square, and the tops are about 9 or 10 inches in diameter. Here is the problem. I want to plug them at the top, to keep out rain, but also to keep them from drawing air out of the house because the dampers are not air tight. I have 5 of them and four are from fireplaces that are no longer in use, and one is the vent for my water heater. I want to plug the ones that are for the fire places because I will be using bventless gas log sets ultimately. Does anyone know of a way to plug them at the top? I am aware of the sheep metal tops to keep out the rain, but I want to plug them to be air tight. Any ideas? Thanks, Tom , Newport, Kentucky [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors.
Dan Thanks for the info on the units.What all is involved in setting these up and programming? Did you get at a big box outlet like Home Depot or online? Al -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Dan Rossi Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Propane freezes at something under 40 below. It is a problem for our propane powered automobiles and many keep the gasoline operation and tanks for those situations when the propane won't flow. Some also use heat to keep it flowing once the air flow of vehicle movement adds to the cooling. The decompressing gas acts like a refrigerant just as happens when gas is compressed then allowed to decompress in a fridge or air conditioning device. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you get a tank for heating, it has to be I seem to remember anyway, at least 10 feet from the house. Propane won't freeze unless it's exposed to oxygen and then it will frost the opening closed. When exposed to oxygen, it is way below zero. I've never looked it up but it's cold. The guy that drove the delivery tanker for the company I worked for was attacked by 2 big dogs once and he gave one of the dogs a little blast of propane on the nose. That was more than enough to run the dog off. The knock against propane is the explosiveness of it. And there is no arguing that point. The problem is, carelessness and ignorance of people mixing with the explosiveness of propane and then you really have a problem. Hey here's something probably only you can appreciate. A guy was getting ready to make his first solo sky dive. As he went out of the plane, he suddenly forgot everything he had learned. As his speed increased on the way down he kept fumbling around for the rip cord. When he looked down, he saw a guy coming up at him from the ground. He yelled to the guy :Hey! Know anything about parachutes? As the guy went past him he yelled No! Know anything about gas grills? - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Al, I got these units via amazon.com although the twin pack of smoke detectors was actually from EAccess, but purchased through amazon. The programming was pretty straight forward. There was a little thum notch that was actually a drawer pull. Pull that out and put two double a batts in. I had trouble figuring out the battery orientation since they didn't have the usual spring thing at the negative end. They do go in in opposite directions from each other as usual though. You can probably figure it out from there. You have to hold the test button down until it says programming or something, then it will start asking questions and giving options. You have to be pretty damn quick on the draw to hit the test button again when it says the option you want to select. The second, and subsequent alarms get set up slightly differently. You put the batteries in, but before closing the drawer, you hold down the test button until the other unit beeps, then hit the test button on the first unit. Then you can close the battery drawer and go through the programming of the second unit. I think that's how it worked. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel:(412) 268-9081
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Dale, Not to be picky, but propane freezes at -310F, -190C boils at -44F, -42C. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:51 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Propane freezes at something under 40 below. It is a problem for our propane powered automobiles and many keep the gasoline operation and tanks for those situations when the propane won't flow. Some also use heat to keep it flowing once the air flow of vehicle movement adds to the cooling. The decompressing gas acts like a refrigerant just as happens when gas is compressed then allowed to decompress in a fridge or air conditioning device. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you get a tank for heating, it has to be I seem to remember anyway, at least 10 feet from the house. Propane won't freeze unless it's exposed to oxygen and then it will frost the opening closed. When exposed to oxygen, it is way below zero. I've never looked it up but it's cold. The guy that drove the delivery tanker for the company I worked for was attacked by 2 big dogs once and he gave one of the dogs a little blast of propane on the nose. That was more than enough to run the dog off. The knock against propane is the explosiveness of it. And there is no arguing that point. The problem is, carelessness and ignorance of people mixing with the explosiveness of propane and then you really have a problem. Hey here's something probably only you can appreciate. A guy was getting ready to make his first solo sky dive. As he went out of the plane, he suddenly forgot everything he had learned. As his speed increased on the way down he kept fumbling around for the rip cord. When he looked down, he saw a guy coming up at him from the ground. He yelled to the guy :Hey! Know anything about parachutes? As the guy went past him he yelled No! Know anything about gas grills? - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Regarding Propane, it is often used in rural areas where Natural Gas service is not available in place of electric or oil. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs
I have known of cases where dog or dogs have got out during the moment when they were excided or mad then were unable to return home because the fence would shock them when approaching from the wrong side of the fence when coming home. - Original Message - From: Joy Cyr To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:29 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Invisible Fencing for Dogs Good day fellow listers, You have been so very helpful in the past I am hoping you may be able to share your knowledge with me again. Has anyone ever used or installed (or preferably Both) one of these fences? I know the basics of how one functions but I don't know anyone who has one. Absolutely any advice, personal experiences or suggestions about what I ought to be looking for or keeping in mind would be appreciated. Thank you for any and all replies, Yours sincerely, Joy Please say thank you to Canada's soldiers! Express your appreciation directly to the men and women serving overseas. Contribute to their comfort by sending them a little touch of handmade warmth from home. To find out how you can help, please visit www.operationtoastytoes.ca. Let's show our troops we care! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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You are correct. What I meant was boil. At minus 43C or there abouts it remains a liquid so can't be burned in a propane modified engine. In cold weather use they add pre-heaters but mostly they don't work well until the engine is running hot so many keep the gasoline and carburetor so they can switch over when necessary. There are also places where you can't buy propane for automobiles or where it is hard to find a supplier so keeping the gasoline equipment provides that better versatility. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Michael baldwin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Dale, Not to be picky, but propane freezes at -310F, -190C boils at -44F, -42C. Michael _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:51 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Propane freezes at something under 40 below. It is a problem for our propane powered automobiles and many keep the gasoline operation and tanks for those situations when the propane won't flow. Some also use heat to keep it flowing once the air flow of vehicle movement adds to the cooling. The decompressing gas acts like a refrigerant just as happens when gas is compressed then allowed to decompress in a fridge or air conditioning device. If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie - Original Message - From: Bob Kennedy To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. If you get a tank for heating, it has to be I seem to remember anyway, at least 10 feet from the house. Propane won't freeze unless it's exposed to oxygen and then it will frost the opening closed. When exposed to oxygen, it is way below zero. I've never looked it up but it's cold. The guy that drove the delivery tanker for the company I worked for was attacked by 2 big dogs once and he gave one of the dogs a little blast of propane on the nose. That was more than enough to run the dog off. The knock against propane is the explosiveness of it. And there is no arguing that point. The problem is, carelessness and ignorance of people mixing with the explosiveness of propane and then you really have a problem. Hey here's something probably only you can appreciate. A guy was getting ready to make his first solo sky dive. As he went out of the plane, he suddenly forgot everything he had learned. As his speed increased on the way down he kept fumbling around for the rip cord. When he looked down, he saw a guy coming up at him from the ground. He yelled to the guy :Hey! Know anything about parachutes? As the guy went past him he yelled No! Know anything about gas grills? - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. HMM, you learn something every day. I didn't think propane would be a good heating source for a hole house. Everywhere I've lived, you either heated with natural gas or fuel oil. So, when you heat with propane, are the tanks inside the house? I mean, doesn't propane have issues if it gets too cold? I mean, doesn't it start to have problems vaporizing? Anyway, here are the make and models of my alarms. First Alert SCO501CN-3ST ONELINK Battery Operated Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Location $69 First Alert SA511CN2-3ST ONELINK Wireless Battery Operated Smoke Alarm with Voice Location, 2-Pack $89 -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew. mailto:dr25%40andrew.cmu.edu cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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This needs a subject line change. moderator - Original Message - From: Art Rizzino arizz...@verizon.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Regarding Propane, it is often used in rural areas where Natural Gas service is not available in place of electric or oil. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4773 (20100114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
[BlindHandyMan] New Band Saw.
I finally got the new band saw put together. There really wasn't much to put together, the table had to be mounted and the stop at 90 degrees to the blade adjusted. The tracking and alignment adjustments were right on out of the box. They didn't give much guidance on where to set the blade tension. They spent a lot of ink telling how to turn the knob but didn't say where to set it. One of the methods they talked about was to pluck the blade like a guitar string. Trouble is they didn't even say what pitch to set it to. That I could have coped with. The table came with a miter gauge which is pretty useless due to blade drift. Does anyone have any hits on minimizing it? I started making a triangular block to use as a single point ripping guide and while making it I think I learned how to make a cut without it. While looking through my modified monocular I cut a little then back up to see where the kerf is relative to the line and make a correction if necessary. It leaves a lot of saw marks but everything I have read says that happens anyway even to fully sighted band saw users. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
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True but the thread may continue. David Ferrin www.jaws-users.com Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh lmch...@verizon.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. This needs a subject line change. moderator - Original Message - From: Art Rizzino arizz...@verizon.net To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Regarding Propane, it is often used in rural areas where Natural Gas service is not available in place of electric or oil. - Original Message - From: Dan Rossi To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] wireless bad thing detectors. Bob, Very good point about the propane. I've read that as well, but forget about it, since I've never known anyone to heat with propane. I think that is because I've typically lived in cold climates. I think propane heat is more common in places where heat is not a necessity. I could be wrong there though. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu Tel: (412) 268-9081 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 4773 (20100114) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
