Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-10 Thread John Sherrer
Is this Snake Wood?

John
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http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Kennedy 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  When I was clearing fallen trees after hurricane Hugo, a copperhead had 
climbed up on one of the big logs. 

  Being scared of snakes, I didn't want him running off and showing up later. 

  My son had told me where he was and I held the saw near him. When I revved up 
the engine, and the chain started flying around the bar, he struck at the 
chain. The last mistake he'd ever make, as it were. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  A friend of mine cut a tree and found a copper head in the hollow. He new 
that the tree was hollow, but he was not aware of the free gift. He trew the 
body of the chain saw on the snake and then got his shot gun.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The most interesting experience that I have had with a chain saw so far was 
when I cut through a wasp nest in the middle of a log that I was cutting up for 
fire wood. Needless to say I dropped the saw and didn't even stop to turn it 
off before I departed the area with about a hundred pist off bees in hot 
persute.

  Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
  this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
  I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
  the
saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
  situations,
it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-10 Thread Bob Kennedy
No just very dead.
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  Is this Snake Wood?

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Kennedy 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  When I was clearing fallen trees after hurricane Hugo, a copperhead had 
climbed up on one of the big logs. 

  Being scared of snakes, I didn't want him running off and showing up later. 

  My son had told me where he was and I held the saw near him. When I revved up 
the engine, and the chain started flying around the bar, he struck at the 
chain. The last mistake he'd ever make, as it were. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  A friend of mine cut a tree and found a copper head in the hollow. He new 
that the tree was hollow, but he was not aware of the free gift. He trew the 
body of the chain saw on the snake and then got his shot gun.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The most interesting experience that I have had with a chain saw so far was 
when I cut through a wasp nest in the middle of a log that I was cutting up for 
fire wood. Needless to say I dropped the saw and didn't even stop to turn it 
off before I departed the area with about a hundred pist off bees in hot 
persute.

  Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
  this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
  I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
  the
saw could flip up or down

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-09 Thread Bob Kennedy
When I was clearing fallen trees after hurricane Hugo, a copperhead had climbed 
up on  one of the big logs.  

Being scared of snakes, I didn't want him running off and showing up later.  

My son had told me where he was and I held the saw near him.  When I revved up 
the engine, and the chain started flying around the bar, he struck at the 
chain.  The last mistake he'd ever make, as it were.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  A friend of mine cut a tree and found a copper head in the hollow. He new 
that the tree was hollow, but he was not aware of the free gift. He trew the 
body of the chain saw on the snake and then got his shot gun.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The most interesting experience that I have had with a chain saw so far was 
when I cut through a wasp nest in the middle of a log that I was cutting up for 
fire wood. Needless to say I dropped the saw and didn't even stop to turn it 
off before I departed the area with about a hundred pist off bees in hot 
persute.

  Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
  this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
  I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
  the
saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
  situations,
it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing
  vertical?
Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
perpendicular to the work?
I tried a chainsaw once

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-09 Thread Bob Kennedy
Copperheads are a pretty aggressive breed.  Cutting into what he considers his 
house can make them act crazy.  And the trouble with all snakes is you can't 
predict how any 2 snakes will react to the same problem.  

One thing is for sure though, a copperhead will attack if provoked.  They are 
much like a rattle snake in that regard.  

I love living in the South, but snakes are one of the prices you have to pay to 
live here.  John and I live aboutr 80 to 100 miles apart.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dale Leavens 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  Hi John,

  That is interesting. I always thought that things like snakes would take off 
when people get near. I suppose though it might have thought itself secure 
hidden in a tree hollow.

  I wonder if it would be more likely to strike or flee once exposed?

  We don't have much experience with snakes up here and what we do have are 
totally innocuous.

  Bees or hornets or wasps behave much as yours do. Fortunately we don't have 
things like fire ants either.

  If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  A friend of mine cut a tree and found a copper head in the hollow. He new 
that the tree was hollow, but he was not aware of the free gift. He trew the 
body of the chain saw on the snake and then got his shot gun.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The most interesting experience that I have had with a chain saw so far was 
when I cut through a wasp nest in the middle of a log that I was cutting up for 
fire wood. Needless to say I dropped the saw and didn't even stop to turn it 
off before I departed the area with about a hundred pist off bees in hot 
persute.

  Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-09 Thread John Sherrer
We are about 50 to  100 miles fro the fire ant line.  Got my legs covered with 
them once, and that is all it takes.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dale Leavens 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  Hi John,

  That is interesting. I always thought that things like snakes would take off 
when people get near. I suppose though it might have thought itself secure 
hidden in a tree hollow.

  I wonder if it would be more likely to strike or flee once exposed?

  We don't have much experience with snakes up here and what we do have are 
totally innocuous.

  Bees or hornets or wasps behave much as yours do. Fortunately we don't have 
things like fire ants either.

  If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  A friend of mine cut a tree and found a copper head in the hollow. He new 
that the tree was hollow, but he was not aware of the free gift. He trew the 
body of the chain saw on the snake and then got his shot gun.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The most interesting experience that I have had with a chain saw so far was 
when I cut through a wasp nest in the middle of a log that I was cutting up for 
fire wood. Needless to say I dropped the saw and didn't even stop to turn it 
off before I departed the area with about a hundred pist off bees in hot 
persute.

  Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
  this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
  I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
  the
saw could

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-08 Thread Paul Franklin
I agree with John, Every cut is different.  You need to think ahead and plan 
every cut.  One tip that I would add would be, to always keep the chain tension 
properly adjusted on the bar. 

Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the 
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You 
  do not want them to get into your way.

  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to 
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you getting 
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.

  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

   You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way 
   to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this 
   chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could 
   cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I 
   hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the 
   saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However, 
   being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations, 
   it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the 
   motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it 
   best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical? 
   Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held 
   perpendicular to the work?
   I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a 
   problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back 
   and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than 
   a handsaw. grin
  
   On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
  
   I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can 
   use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for 
   your job unless you have future use.
   If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is 
   your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you 
   want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
  
   If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off 
   your hands.
  
   By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But 
   if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
  
   John
   http://WhiteCane.org
   http://BlindWoodWorker.com
   http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
   http://anellos.ws
  
   - Original Message - 
   From: RJ
   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
   If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
   nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, 
   if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to 
   handle.
   RJ
   - Original Message - 
   From: Scott Berry
   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
   Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
   Hello there,
  
   I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
   diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
   you recommend.
  
   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  
   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  
   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-08 Thread Paul Franklin
The most interesting experience that I have had with a chain saw so far was 
when I cut through a wasp nest in the middle of a log that I was cutting up for 
fire wood.  Needless to say I dropped the saw and didn't even stop to turn it 
off before I departed the area with about a hundred pist off bees in hot 
persute.

Paul Franklin
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
  this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
  I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
  the
saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
  situations,
it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing
  vertical?
Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
perpendicular to the work?
I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more
  than
a handsaw. grin
   
On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
   
I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You
  can
use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
your job unless you have future use.
If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this
  is
your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
   
If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
your hands.
   
By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years.
  But
if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
   
John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-08 Thread John Sherrer
After I sent the email, I thought that I should have mentioned that the chain 
needs to be kept snug.  If you have a new saw or new blade, expect to make 
blade adjustments quite often.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  I agree with John, Every cut is different. You need to think ahead and plan 
every cut. One tip that I would add would be, to always keep the chain tension 
properly adjusted on the bar. 

  Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the 
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You 
  do not want them to get into your way.

  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to 
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you getting 
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.

  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

   You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way 
   to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this 
   chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could 
   cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I 
   hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the 
   saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However, 
   being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations, 
   it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the 
   motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it 
   best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical? 
   Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held 
   perpendicular to the work?
   I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a 
   problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back 
   and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than 
   a handsaw. grin
  
   On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
  
   I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can 
   use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for 
   your job unless you have future use.
   If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is 
   your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you 
   want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
  
   If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off 
   your hands.
  
   By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But 
   if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
  
   John
   http://WhiteCane.org
   http://BlindWoodWorker.com
   http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
   http://anellos.ws
  
   - Original Message - 
   From: RJ
   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
   If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
   nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, 
   if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to 
   handle.
   RJ
   - Original Message - 
   From: Scott Berry
   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
   Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
   Hello there,
  
   I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
   diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
   you recommend.
  
   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  
   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  
   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  
  
  
  
  
   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  
  
  
   
  
   Send any questions regarding list management to:
   blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com
   To listen to the show

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-08 Thread John Sherrer
A friend of mine cut a tree and found a copper head in the hollow.  He new that 
the tree was hollow, but he was not aware of the free gift.  He trew the body 
of the chain saw on the snake and then got his shot gun.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  The most interesting experience that I have had with a chain saw so far was 
when I cut through a wasp nest in the middle of a log that I was cutting up for 
fire wood. Needless to say I dropped the saw and didn't even stop to turn it 
off before I departed the area with about a hundred pist off bees in hot 
persute.

  Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
  this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
  I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
  the
saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
  situations,
it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing
  vertical?
Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
perpendicular to the work?
I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more
  than
a handsaw. grin
   
On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
   
I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You
  can
use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
your job unless you have future use.
If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this
  is
your only job, or chanin saw use

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-08 Thread Dale Leavens
Hi John,

That is interesting. I always thought that things like snakes would take off 
when people get near. I suppose though it might have thought itself secure 
hidden in a tree hollow.

I wonder if it would be more likely to strike or flee once exposed?

We don't have much experience with snakes up here and what we do have are 
totally innocuous.

Bees or hornets or wasps behave much as yours do. Fortunately we don't have 
things like fire ants either.


If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  A friend of mine cut a tree and found a copper head in the hollow. He new 
that the tree was hollow, but he was not aware of the free gift. He trew the 
body of the chain saw on the snake and then got his shot gun.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The most interesting experience that I have had with a chain saw so far was 
when I cut through a wasp nest in the middle of a log that I was cutting up for 
fire wood. Needless to say I dropped the saw and didn't even stop to turn it 
off before I departed the area with about a hundred pist off bees in hot 
persute.

  Paul Franklin

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Sherrer 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
  this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
  I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
  the
saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
  situations,
it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing
  vertical?
Maybe I should state it in this way

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread John Sherrer
Some tips I have are:
1.  Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the 
chain saw, a  kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you.  You 
do not want them to get into your way.

4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

5.  Do not be in a hurry.  Think out every little task before you start to 
cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you getting 
hurt, take corrective action and continue.

Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


 You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way 
 to use one.  I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this 
 chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could 
 cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I 
 hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the 
 saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However, 
 being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations, 
 it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the 
 motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it 
 best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical? 
 Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held 
 perpendicular to the work?
 I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a 
 problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back 
 and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than 
 a handsaw. grin

 On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:

 I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can 
 use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for 
 your job unless you have future use.
 If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is 
 your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you 
 want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.

 If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off 
 your hands.

 By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But 
 if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.

 John
 http://WhiteCane.org
 http://BlindWoodWorker.com
 http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
 http://anellos.ws

 - Original Message - 
 From: RJ
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
 nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, 
 if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to 
 handle.
 RJ
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Berry
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 Hello there,

 I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
 diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
 you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread john schwery
How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:


Some tips I have are:
1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
do not want them to get into your way.

4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you getting
hurt, take corrective action and continue.

Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws

- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
  to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this
  chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
  cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I
  hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the
  saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
  being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations,
  it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
  motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
  best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical?
  Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
  perpendicular to the work?
  I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
  problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
  and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than
  a handsaw. grin
 
  On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
 
  I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can
  use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
  your job unless you have future use.
  If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is
  your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
  want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
 
  If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
  your hands.
 
  By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But
  if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
 
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
 
  - Original Message -
  From: RJ
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job
  nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well,
  if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
  handle.
  RJ
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Berry
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  Hello there,
 
  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
  you recommend.
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread John Sherrer
My saw moves very little or not alt all.  It depends on how tight the chain is.
Chain saws use a centrifusal cluch to engage the chain.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: john schwery 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the
saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations,
it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical?
Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
perpendicular to the work?
I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than
a handsaw. grin
   
On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
   
I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can
use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
your job unless you have future use.
If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is
your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
   
If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
your hands.
   
By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But
if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
   
John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
   
- Original Message -
From: RJ
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
   
If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job
nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well,
if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
handle.
RJ
- Original Message -
From: Scott Berry
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
   
Hello there,
   
I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
you recommend.
   
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   
   
   
   
   
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   
   
   

   
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread Jim King
The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling.  Do not try to
touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle.  There is much more to learn
than just how to operate the saw.  I did plenty of logging in my college
days.  The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw.  You need
to respect it but don't be afraid of it.  More injuries and property damage
are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
than from the saw itself.

Jim King

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 

  

How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:


Some tips I have are:
1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
do not want them to get into your way.

4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
getting
hurt, take corrective action and continue.

Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws

- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
  to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
this
  chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
  cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
I
  hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
the
  saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
  being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
situations,
  it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
  motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
  best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing
vertical?
  Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
  perpendicular to the work?
  I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
  problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
  and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more
than
  a handsaw. grin
 
  On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
 
  I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You
can
  use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
  your job unless you have future use.
  If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this
is
  your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
  want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
 
  If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
  your hands.
 
  By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years.
But
  if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
 
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
 
  - Original Message -
  From: RJ
  To:
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the
job
  nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work
well,
  if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
  handle.
  RJ
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Berry
  To:
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  Hello there,
 
  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw
do
  you recommend.
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
 
 
 
 
  [Non

RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread Jim King
The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling.  Do not try to
touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle.  There is much more to learn
than just how to operate the saw.  I did plenty of logging in my college
days.  The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw.  You need
to respect it but don't be afraid of it.  More injuries and property damage
are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
than from the saw itself.

Jim King

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 

  

How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:


Some tips I have are:
1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
do not want them to get into your way.

4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
getting
hurt, take corrective action and continue.

Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws

- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
  to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
this
  chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
  cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
I
  hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
the
  saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
  being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
situations,
  it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
  motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
  best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing
vertical?
  Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
  perpendicular to the work?
  I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
  problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
  and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more
than
  a handsaw. grin
 
  On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
 
  I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You
can
  use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
  your job unless you have future use.
  If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this
is
  your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
  want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
 
  If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
  your hands.
 
  By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years.
But
  if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
 
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
 
  - Original Message -
  From: RJ
  To:
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the
job
  nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work
well,
  if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
  handle.
  RJ
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Berry
  To:
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  Hello there,
 
  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw
do
  you recommend.
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
 
 
 
 
  [Non

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread John Sherrer
The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut.  I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim King 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
  touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
  than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
  days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
  to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
  are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
  than from the saw itself.

  Jim King

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
  On Behalf Of john schwery
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
  getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
  this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
  I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
  the
saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
  situations,
it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing
  vertical?
Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
perpendicular to the work?
I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more
  than
a handsaw. grin
   
On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
   
I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You
  can
use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
your job unless you have future use.
If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this
  is
your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
   
If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
your hands.
   
By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years.
  But
if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
   
John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
   
- Original Message -
From: RJ
To:
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
   
If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the
  job
nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work
  well,
if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
handle.
RJ

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread Scott Howell
Thanks everyone for all the tips. I don't know if or when I'll have the chance 
to use a saw, but this old electric bugger I got for a dollar is probably not 
worth using. It has no chain break and well hey, I got it thinking I might want 
to use it for a job, but I'm not sure it really works all that well. Might be 
worth trying on a small task, but then again, I'm still trying to determine the 
amount of work to ensure it operates correctly.
However, the tips are certainly valuable either way.

On Apr 6, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Bob Kennedy wrote:

 It depends on what you are cutting as to which direction to hold it. But 
 keeping the tip away from things is very important. I've had many cases of 
 kick back while sawing and it's nothing like we talk about with a table saw.
 
 When a chain saw kicks back it isn't throwing wood at you, it's throwing 
 itself.
 
 The best way to avoid kick back is to keep a good grip on the handle. It 
 will help control any movement by the saw. The chain brake is a good thing 
 to have in place but it won't necessarily engage every time the saw kicks 
 back. Letting go of the trigger and keeping control of the front handle is 
 the only way to stop the saw from getting to you.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way 
  to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this 
  chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could 
  cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I 
  hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the 
  saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However, 
  being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations, 
  it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the 
  motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it 
  best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical? 
  Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held 
  perpendicular to the work?
  I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a 
  problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back 
  and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than 
  a handsaw. grin
 
  On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
 
  I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can 
  use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for 
  your job unless you have future use.
  If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is 
  your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you 
  want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
 
  If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off 
  your hands.
 
  By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But 
  if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
 
  John
  http://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.ws
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: RJ
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
  nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, 
  if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to 
  handle.
  RJ
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Berry
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  Hello there,
 
  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
  you recommend.
 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread Dale Leavens
If the saw is correctly set up the chain should not be moving at all when the 
motor is idling. Don't count on it though.


If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: john schwery 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

  earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:
  
  
  Some tips I have are:
  1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.
  
  2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
  chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.
  
  3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
  do not want them to get into your way.
  
  4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.
  
  5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
  cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you getting
  hurt, take corrective action and continue.
  
  Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.
  
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
  
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this
chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I
hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the
saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations,
it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical?
Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
perpendicular to the work?
I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than
a handsaw. grin
   
On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
   
I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can
use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
your job unless you have future use.
If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is
your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
   
If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
your hands.
   
By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But
if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
   
John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
   
- Original Message -
From: RJ
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
   
If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job
nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well,
if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
handle.
RJ
- Original Message -
From: Scott Berry
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
   
Hello there,
   
I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
you recommend.
   
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   
   
   
   
   
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   
   
   

   
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread Jewel
The chain shouldn't be moving at all when the motor is idling.  If you want to 
be doubly certain 
that it isn't, pull the brake on.

   Jewel- Original Message - 
From: john schwery jschw...@embarqmail.com
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:


Some tips I have are:
1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
do not want them to get into your way.

4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you getting
hurt, take corrective action and continue.

Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws

- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
  to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this
  chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
  cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I
  hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the
  saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
  being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations,
  it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
  motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
  best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical?
  Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
  perpendicular to the work?
  I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
  problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
  and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than
  a handsaw. grin
 
  On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
 
  I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can
  use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
  your job unless you have future use.
  If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is
  your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
  want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
 
  If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
  your hands.
 
  By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But
  if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
 
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
 
  - Original Message -
  From: RJ
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job
  nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well,
  if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
  handle.
  RJ
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Berry
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  Hello there,
 
  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
  you recommend.
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
 
 
 
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
 
 
  
 
  Send any questions regarding list management to:
 
 mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com
  To listen to the show archives go to link
 
 http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29
  Or
 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread Bob Kennedy
The only time I got hurt, someone else was running the saw.  And he could see.
- Original Message - 
From: John Sherrer 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


  
The only time I got hurt with the chain saw is tripping of a log that I had 
cut. I kept the saw away from me wwhen I fell.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

- Original Message - 
From: Jim King 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

The chain should not be moving when the engine is idling. Do not try to
touch the bar or chain when the saw is at idle. There is much more to learn
than just how to operate the saw. I did plenty of logging in my college
days. The first thing to remember is not to be afraid of the saw. You need
to respect it but don't be afraid of it. More injuries and property damage
are caused by falling trees, limbs parts of logs etc that have just been cut
than from the saw itself.

Jim King

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of john schwery
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:


Some tips I have are:
1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
do not want them to get into your way.

4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you
getting
hurt, take corrective action and continue.

Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws

- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net 
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
  to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is
this
  chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
  cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what
I
  hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as
the
  saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
  being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback
situations,
  it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
  motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
  best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing
vertical?
  Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
  perpendicular to the work?
  I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
  problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
  and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more
than
  a handsaw. grin
 
  On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
 
  I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You
can
  use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
  your job unless you have future use.
  If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this
is
  your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
  want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
 
  If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
  your hands.
 
  By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years.
But
  if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
 
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
 
  - Original Message -
  From: RJ
  To:
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the
job
  nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work
well,
  if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy

Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-07 Thread Bob Kennedy
The idle on the engine should be set to a quarter to a half turn slower once 
the chain stops moving.  If you have to touch the chain to see if it's moving, 
use a small piece of wood.  If it's moving fast enough to hurt you, you will be 
able to hear it.  

- Original Message - 
From: Dale Leavens 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


  
If the saw is correctly set up the chain should not be moving at all when the 
motor is idling. Don't count on it though.

If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
- Original Message - 
From: john schwery 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

How fast is the chain moving when a saw is idling?

earlier, John Sherrer, wrote:


Some tips I have are:
1. Keep your blade sharp, since a dull blade may kick back.

2.I have found that if I lock my right elbow, which holds the handle of the
chain saw, a kick back will not come near me, but will tend to go up.

3. Keep any helpers or other on lookers at least 10 feet away from you. You
do not want them to get into your way.

4. Drag your feet to keep from tripping with your saw idling or turned off.

5. Do not be in a hurry. Think out every little task before you start to
cut, and look for possibilities where something can go wrong and you getting
hurt, take corrective action and continue.

Many people use chain saws every day and do not get hurt.

John
http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws

- Original Message -
From: Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.nets.how...@verizon.net
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
  to use one. I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this
  chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
  cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I
  hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the
  saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
  being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations,
  it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
  motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
  best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical?
  Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
  perpendicular to the work?
  I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
  problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
  and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than
  a handsaw. grin
 
  On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:
 
  I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can
  use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
  your job unless you have future use.
  If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is
  your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
  want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
 
  If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
  your hands.
 
  By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But
  if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.
 
  John
  http://WhiteCane.orghttp://WhiteCane.org
  http://BlindWoodWorker.com
  http://HolyTeaClub.comcomhttp://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
  http://anellos.wshttp://anellos.ws
 
  - Original Message -
  From: RJ
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job
  nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well,
  if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
  handle.
  RJ
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Berry
  To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
  Hello there,
 
  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
  you recommend.
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-06 Thread Tom Hodges
If you have a Saws All or any other brand of reciprocating saw, you can buy
a tree cutting blade, that is about 6 or 7 inches long.  I use it to prune
all my big branches every year.  Works great.

 

From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 3:04 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 

  

3 inches in diameter won't be much of a problem for any chain saw. But since
you asked, I'm a fan of Stihl. 
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Berry 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

Hello there,

I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-06 Thread John Sherrer
I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate.  You can use 
it all day without your hands numbing out on you.  It is two big for your job 
unless you have future use.
If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal.  If this is your 
only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one.  If you want a good 
one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.

If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off your 
hands.

By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years.  But if I 
had a good enough reason, I would use it.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

  - Original Message - 
  From: RJ 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, if 
close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to handle.
  RJ
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Berry 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

  Hello there,

  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
  you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-06 Thread Scott Howell
You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way to use 
one.  I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this chain that 
is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could cause it to snap at 
you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I hear. I imagine using the 
tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the saw could flip up or down and 
take off your nose or leg. grin However, being serious, I assume to prevent as 
many potential kickback situations, it is best to place the saw so whatever 
your cutting is as close to the motor as possible. Would that be correct and 
are there other tips? Is it best to cut so the saw is turned on its side 
instead of standing vertical? Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the 
chain run always be held perpendicular to the work?
I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a problem 
with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back and used the 
handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than a handsaw. grin

On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:

 I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can use 
 it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for your job 
 unless you have future use.
 If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is your 
 only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you want a good 
 one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.
 
 If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off your 
 hands.
 
 By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But if I 
 had a good enough reason, I would use it.
 
 John
 http://WhiteCane.org
 http://BlindWoodWorker.com
 http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
 http://anellos.ws
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: RJ 
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
 If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
 nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, if 
 close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to handle.
 RJ
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Berry 
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw
 
 Hello there,
 
 I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
 diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
 you recommend.
 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-06 Thread Bob Kennedy
If you're not using it how much you want for it.  Write me offline for this.
- Original Message - 
From: John Sherrer 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


  
I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can use it 
all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for your job 
unless you have future use.
If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is your 
only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you want a good 
one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.

If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off your 
hands.

By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But if I 
had a good enough reason, I would use it.

John
http://WhiteCane.org
http://BlindWoodWorker.com
http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
http://anellos.ws

- Original Message - 
From: RJ 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, if 
close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to handle.
RJ
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Berry 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

Hello there,

I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-06 Thread Bob Kennedy
It depends on what you are cutting as to which direction to hold it.  But 
keeping the tip away from things is very important.  I've had many cases of 
kick back while sawing and it's nothing like we talk about with a table saw.

When a chain saw kicks back it isn't throwing wood at you, it's throwing 
itself.

The best way to avoid kick back is to keep a good grip on the handle.  It 
will help control any movement by the saw.  The chain brake is a good thing 
to have in place but it won't necessarily engage every time the saw kicks 
back.  Letting go of the trigger and keeping control of the front handle is 
the only way to stop the saw from getting to you.


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


 You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way 
 to use one.  I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this 
 chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could 
 cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I 
 hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the 
 saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However, 
 being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations, 
 it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the 
 motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it 
 best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical? 
 Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held 
 perpendicular to the work?
 I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a 
 problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back 
 and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than 
 a handsaw. grin

 On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:

 I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can 
 use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for 
 your job unless you have future use.
 If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is 
 your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you 
 want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.

 If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off 
 your hands.

 By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But 
 if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.

 John
 http://WhiteCane.org
 http://BlindWoodWorker.com
 http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
 http://anellos.ws

 - Original Message - 
 From: RJ
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
 nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, 
 if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to 
 handle.
 RJ
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Berry
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 Hello there,

 I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
 diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
 you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-06 Thread Jewel
and when there is a kickback, it is unlikely that you will be quick enough to 
release the throttle 
before serious damage is done.  However, having said that:  one has to be 
pretty careless to get 
hurt by a chainsaw.  Follow common sense safety practices , and have lots of 
fun!  If I can, and do: 
anyone can!

 Jewel

- Original Message - 
From: Bob Kennedy inthes...@att.net
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


It depends on what you are cutting as to which direction to hold it.  But
keeping the tip away from things is very important.  I've had many cases of
kick back while sawing and it's nothing like we talk about with a table saw.

When a chain saw kicks back it isn't throwing wood at you, it's throwing
itself.

The best way to avoid kick back is to keep a good grip on the handle.  It
will help control any movement by the saw.  The chain brake is a good thing
to have in place but it won't necessarily engage every time the saw kicks
back.  Letting go of the trigger and keeping control of the front handle is
the only way to stop the saw from getting to you.


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


 You know all this talk of chainsaws makes me wonder what is the best way
 to use one.  I realize what makes them dangerous is the fact there is this
 chain that is buzzing along at a pretty good clip and something could
 cause it to snap at you. The problem is the bite is quite bad from what I
 hear. I imagine using the tip of the bar to cut is not a good idea as the
 saw could flip up or down and take off your nose or leg. grin However,
 being serious, I assume to prevent as many potential kickback situations,
 it is best to place the saw so whatever your cutting is as close to the
 motor as possible. Would that be correct and are there other tips? Is it
 best to cut so the saw is turned on its side instead of standing vertical?
 Maybe I should state it in this way. SHould the chain run always be held
 perpendicular to the work?
 I tried a chainsaw once, but for a very short time since there was a
 problem with it and I could not resolve the problem. I just took it back
 and used the handy handsaw. Well I have a tree that will require more than
 a handsaw. grin

 On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:57 PM, John Sherrer wrote:

 I have an Echo 650, a two cyclinder model that does not vibrate. You can
 use it all day without your hands numbing out on you. It is two big for
 your job unless you have future use.
 If you are close enough to power, an electric would be ideal. If this is
 your only job, or chanin saw use will be rare, buy a cheap one. If you
 want a good one, the Shindowa worm gear electric is good.

 If you live close to North Carolina, I would want to take the wood off
 your hands.

 By the way, I have not had the guts to use my Echo in several years. But
 if I had a good enough reason, I would use it.

 John
 http://WhiteCane.org
 http://BlindWoodWorker.com
 http://HolyTeaClub.comcom\whitecane
 http://anellos.ws

 - Original Message - 
 From: RJ
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job
 nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well,
 if close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to
 handle.
 RJ
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Berry
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

 Hello there,

 I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
 diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
 you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-04 Thread Dale Leavens
Unless you have a lot of them I recommend a Swedish style bow saw for about 15 
bucks. It will eat through a 3 inch trunk in about a dozen or so strokes and 
doesn't need gas, oil, chain oil, is quiet, quick, reliable, starts first pull 
every time and hangs on a nail when you are done.

Otherwise Huskvarna is probably the best brand if not the most expensive.


If I was Han Solo I'd probably pet my wookie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Berry 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 1:05 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  Hello there,

  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
  you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-04 Thread Rick Hume
For this small of tree you may just want to use a hand operated saw.  With a 
good single-operator camp model saw, it would just take a couple of minutes to 
drop the tree.  If you're really interested in a chain saw, there are other 
considerations.  I use an electric Polland chain saw.  It works excellent, but 
you have to remember that you're going to have to have power available for it.  
I'm considering getting a gas model at some future point, as there are times 
that it would be more convenient not having to string out a power cord.

Hope this helps.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Berry 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 1:05 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  Hello there,

  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
  you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-04 Thread Bob Kennedy
3 inches in diameter won't be much of a problem for any chain saw.  But since 
you asked, I'm a fan of Stihl.  
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Berry 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


  
Hello there,

I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-04 Thread clifford
Dear Scott:
I have found that Husqvarna and Stihl are the most reliable and my new 
Stihl has become my favorite, as it has a starting system that allows old 
codgers, like yours truly, to start the saw without having to strain the old 
muscles.  Husqvarna also has  a model which provides a method for easy start.
I also agree with my Canadian friend, as I like to use my bow saw for small 
jobs.  The only problem with my bow saw is that I seem to get cut more often 
when using it than when I use one of my power saws.  I suppose that has to do 
with my trying to be super careful with a power saw.

I would suggest that you saw the tree at first about two feet from the 
ground, so that you can guide the fall while standing, as it is easier to make 
an exit while standing.  I assume that you will then wish to cut the stump as 
close to level with the ground as possible, which can be easily accomplished 
from a seated position.  

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Berry 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


  
Hello there,

I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-04 Thread RJ
If you don't want to use a chain saw, a bucksaw or cross saw does the job 
nicely with a little elbow grease. A electric chain saw would work well, if 
close to a outlet. A small gas chain saw of 12 inches is easy to handle.
RJ
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Berry 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 13:05
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw


  
Hello there,

I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
you recommend.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw

2010-04-04 Thread Ron Yearns
Reciprocating saws can use a wood cutting blade of about seven inches.  If you 
have one of them it would work.
Ron
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Berry 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:05 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] chain saw



  Hello there,

  I have some trees which are approximately 12 to 14 feet and 3 inches in
  diameter. These are wild plumb trees. What type and make of chain saw do
  you recommend.

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