Re: [board-discuss] Decidim startup proposal
Hi Emiliano! Thanks for the update. It was an important topic discussed in the last Q+A session with the BoD candidates and it's great to see it's moving forward! Best, Gustavo On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 5:18 PM Emiliano Vavassori < syntaxerror...@libreoffice.org> wrote: > Dear members and community, > > With the present email I'd like to share a (slightly redacted) version > of the proposal I made to the Board of Directors for the ongoing effort > of implementing a platform for participatory democracy, Decidim. > > You may find all the details in the document at: > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/4BQ6S82PJqMb2YQ > > I am available, of course, to clarify any doubts the provided proposal > will raise. > > Cheers, > -- > Emiliano Vavassori > syntaxerror...@libreoffice.org > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > >
[board-discuss] Decidim startup proposal
Dear members and community, With the present email I'd like to share a (slightly redacted) version of the proposal I made to the Board of Directors for the ongoing effort of implementing a platform for participatory democracy, Decidim. You may find all the details in the document at: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/4BQ6S82PJqMb2YQ I am available, of course, to clarify any doubts the provided proposal will raise. Cheers, -- Emiliano Vavassori syntaxerror...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Re: Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers to address our donors specific needs
Hi Kendy, On 16/02/2022 14:34, Jan Holesovsky wrote: In other words, my view is that the "let's first hire 2 developers, and then see" approach is irresponsible, and we should have a plan first. I would agree with you if that were the case. The bullet points of the proposal already presented some reasons and started delineating a plan for it, many contributions to the conversation added to that plan more details. Email threads show that concepts may be difficult to follow but if you read through the emails you would notice that I proposed that the team and the suitable developers will start shaping what we could be focus on from the beginning. As already said, if we find an excellent a11y developer and one that has already got experience in fixing bugs in some unloved areas then the initial choices would be already made for us. If we only find "generic" C++ developers then naturally we'll have to train them in specific areas which the team will identify. Naturally, as said in this thread, the developers need to be initially quite flexible and learn to cover different areas including QA and mentorship. While the team adjust and we discover specific preferences for those developers then they could focus in an area more than others so that they can express their full potential. Is the "plan" a bit clearer for you now? I'll find the time to collate together the feedback received by many that help in completing the plan. Just give me a bit of time this is an activity I do by donating my time to TDF without expecting an economical return so I have to tend to other things as well. Ciao Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Re: Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers to address our donors specific needs
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi píše v St 16. 02. 2022 v 11:16 +0100: > It would be great if members of the board of directors, with their > TDF > hat on, would explain clearly why they seem to be opposed to > employing > in-house developers. I have never said I am opposed (and never said I'm supportive) to employing in-house developers, because I don't have enough information to make an informed decision yet. I have said two things: * I'd prefer hiring development mentors, rather than developers, because I am convinced that that is the best way how to scale as an organization responsible for the source code, and I see less potential problems with that * I am unhappy how the proposal to hire developers was and is being pushed, with lots of wishful thinking, and on the other hand without outlining potential problems, without proper discussion of the pro's & con's of this or other solutions, and without outlining details of tasking and management of the developers. In other words, my view is that the "let's first hire 2 developers, and then see" approach is irresponsible, and we should have a plan first. That is why I am so grateful to those who have constructively contributed to the debate, and particularly to those who have added their thoughts as answers or responses to my questions! All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[board-discuss] Consolidated proposal needed (was: Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers to address our donors specific needs)
Hi *, looking at this thread, we start to run in circles. My understanding was, that Paolo volunteered to write-up a more detailed proposal, including goals (short-term and possibly long-term). I agree with several other directors (current and upcoming) that this would be very useful to have, to base a decision on. So lets wait for that document; in this sub-thread there was no new arguments in a while. I suggest we retire it. A few quick comments, no need to discuss further: Paolo Vecchi wrote: > On 16/02/2022 09:52, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > > The difference is that we already have a mentor (actually several > > mentors in several areas), while you suggest a strategic decision - > > We recently employed only 1 mentor. > No one else has been employed in that specific role. > TDF employed, and still employs, several mentors in various roles & overlapping responsibilities (including development). Those were, if my memory serves me well, unanimously wanted. > It would be great if members of the board of directors, with their > TDF hat on, would explain clearly why they seem to be opposed to > employing in-house developers. > The opposition seems to be about the process, and about putting the means before the end. There was BTW a constructive side-thread with some thoughts on how/where a salaried developer at TDF could be beneficial, with contributions from all sides of the aisle. Best, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [board-discuss] Re: Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers to address our donors specific needs
Hi Kendy, On 16/02/2022 09:52, Jan Holesovsky wrote: Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi píše v Út 15. 02. 2022 v 17:09 +0100: And to conclude: the easiest way to convince me (and likely others) on the board that a proposal is a good idea - is to make your case properly with a well-researched writeup. Could you please forward to me the well researched write-up used to employ the new mentor so that I can use that as a template? The difference is that we already have a mentor (actually several mentors in several areas), while you suggest a strategic decision - We recently employed only 1 mentor. No one else has been employed in that specific role. Are you able to forward to me the document where the case has been presented "with a well-researched writeup"? which in my view deserves research, consideration from multiple views, listening to others & consensus. We did the research in public, we had mostly 2 views, some have been listening to others and it would be great to recognise that there is a consensus that in-house developers are a desirable outcome which brings benefits to all. It is sometimes not clear to me if the undefined objections to enabling TDF to be a more active contributors in areas not well covered by others are coming from members of TDF's board of directors or representatives of "the industry" which sells LibreOffice development services. It would be great if members of the board of directors, with their TDF hat on, would explain clearly why they seem to be opposed to employing in-house developers. All the best, Kendy Ciao Paolo -- Paolo Vecchi - Deputy Member of the Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [board-discuss] Re: Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers to address our donors specific needs
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi píše v Út 15. 02. 2022 v 17:09 +0100: > > And to conclude: the easiest way to convince me (and likely others) > > on > > the board that a proposal is a good idea - is to make your case > > properly with a well-researched writeup. > > Could you please forward to me the well researched write-up used to > employ the new mentor so that I can use that as a template? The difference is that we already have a mentor (actually several mentors in several areas), while you suggest a strategic decision - which in my view deserves research, consideration from multiple views, listening to others & consensus. All the best, Kendy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [board-discuss] Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers to address our donors specific needs
On 15.02.22 17:11, Thorsten Behrens wrote: ...latest reasonably concrete plan around hosting our own bounty/crowdfunding platform... An example for zero-overhead-bounties is Lazarus (VCL for Freepascal) https://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Bounties. Well no overhead means we still have to send money, given the (karma) community picks the tasks and decides whether it's done. -- Dr. Heiko Tietze, UX-Designer and UX-Mentor Tel: +49 30 5557992-63 | Mail: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: https://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
