[boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
This sounds good. To the point and lets the user know why it is running out of order. From: Jacob Klein [mailto:jacob_w_kl...@msn.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:24 AM To: Richard Haselgrove; McLeod, John; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: RE: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.commailto:john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
Ah, and mine are easily translatable... at least in Dutch. ;-) -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Jord van der Elst els...@gmail.com wrote: Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
I still would like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running, despite David's logic against it. The user's interpretations are not something we can control. Providing the feedback, using as meaningful description as possible, is something we can control. And I haven't heard anything that beats my proposal, hence why I'd still like to see it. :) From: john.mcl...@sap.com To: els...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:13:11 + CC: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:13 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. From BOINC's point of view, it runs these tasks before anything else, preferably until BOINC calculates that they can meet their deadline and otherwise until they're finished. That's preceding any of the other tasks, and only during the time of the new condition. At least in Dutch that would make perfect sense, 'met voorrang'. I can't help it that English is so rigid, inelastic. :P Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
Some permutation of 'deadline', 'risk', 'miss' ? (At) risk of deadline miss ? Risk of missing deadline ? From: Jord van der Elst els...@gmail.com To: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:13 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. From BOINC's point of view, it runs these tasks before anything else, preferably until BOINC calculates that they can meet their deadline and otherwise until they're finished. That's preceding any of the other tasks, and only during the time of the new condition. At least in Dutch that would make perfect sense, 'met voorrang'. I can't help it that English is so rigid, inelastic. :P Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list
[boinc_dev] Compile issue: No rule to make target `md5.c', needed by `libboinc_la-md5.lo'
Hello, I updated to latest boinc server source version with: git pull ./_autosetup ./configure --disable-client --disable-manager make clean make and get this error: if /bin/bash ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../to\ ols -I../vda -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthre\ ad -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-hostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c -o libboinc_la-hostinfo.lo `test -f 'hostinfo.cpp' || echo './\ '`hostinfo.cpp; \ then mv -f .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Plo; else rm -f .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo; exit 1; fi libtool: compile: /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../tools -I../vda -pthread -Wall -We\ xtra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthread -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-h\ ostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c hostinfo.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libboinc_la-hostinfo.o libtool: compile: /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../tools -I../vda -pthread -Wall -We\ xtra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthread -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-h\ ostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c hostinfo.cpp -o libboinc_la-hostinfo.o /dev/null 21 make[2]: *** No rule to make target `md5.c', needed by `libboinc_la-md5.lo'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/boincadm/boinc-v2/lib' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/boincadm/boinc-v2' make: *** [all] Error 2 ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] Compile issue: No rule to make target `md5.c', needed by `libboinc_la-md5.lo'
This is because of old dependencies generated by automake. The change in filename of md5.c doesn't change any existing dependencies files. The solution is to make distclean then do a full _autosetup, configure, make cycle. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:42 AM, yoyo y...@mailueberfall.de wrote: Hello, I updated to latest boinc server source version with: git pull ./_autosetup ./configure --disable-client --disable-manager make clean make and get this error: ... if /bin/bash ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../to\ ols -I../vda -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthre\ ad -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-hostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c -o libboinc_la-hostinfo.lo `test -f 'hostinfo.cpp' || echo './\ '`hostinfo.cpp; \ then mv -f .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Plo; else rm -f .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo; exit 1; fi libtool: compile: /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../tools -I../vda -pthread -Wall -We\ xtra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthread -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-h\ ostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c hostinfo.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libboinc_la-hostinfo.o libtool: compile: /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../tools -I../vda -pthread -Wall -We\ xtra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthread -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-h\ ostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c hostinfo.cpp -o libboinc_la-hostinfo.o /dev/null 21 make[2]: *** No rule to make target `md5.c', needed by `libboinc_la-md5.lo'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/boincadm/boinc-v2/lib' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/boincadm/boinc-v2' make: *** [all] Error 2 ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] Compile issue: No rule to make target `md5.c', needed by `libboinc_la-md5.lo'
Thanks, it worked. Eric J Korpela schrieb: This is because of old dependencies generated by automake. The change in filename of md5.c doesn't change any existing dependencies files. The solution is to make distclean then do a full _autosetup, configure, make cycle. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:42 AM, yoyo y...@mailueberfall.de mailto:y...@mailueberfall.de wrote: Hello, I updated to latest boinc server source version with: git pull ./_autosetup ./configure --disable-client --disable-manager make clean make and get this error: ... if /bin/bash ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=compile /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../to\ ols -I../vda -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthre\ ad -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-hostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c -o libboinc_la-hostinfo.lo `test -f 'hostinfo.cpp' || echo './\ '`hostinfo.cpp; \ then mv -f .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Plo; else rm -f .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo; exit 1; fi libtool: compile: /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../tools -I../vda -pthread -Wall -We\ xtra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthread -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-h\ ostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c hostinfo.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libboinc_la-hostinfo.o libtool: compile: /usr/bin/g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../api -I../db -I../lib -I../lib/mac -I../sched -I../tools -I../vda -pthread -Wall -We\ xtra -Wshadow -Wredundant-decls -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wstrict-aliasing -Wcast-align -fPIC -DPIC -pthread -g -O2 -Wall -MT libboinc_la-h\ ostinfo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libboinc_la-hostinfo.Tpo -c hostinfo.cpp -o libboinc_la-hostinfo.o /dev/null 21 make[2]: *** No rule to make target `md5.c', needed by `libboinc_la-md5.lo'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/boincadm/boinc-v2/lib' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/boincadm/boinc-v2' make: *** [all] Error 2 ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu mailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
Skipping queue to meet deadline ? -Juha On 3 October 2014 19:15, Jacob Klein jacob_w_kl...@msn.com wrote: I still would like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running, despite David's logic against it. The user's interpretations are not something we can control. Providing the feedback, using as meaningful description as possible, is something we can control. And I haven't heard anything that beats my proposal, hence why I'd still like to see it. :) From: john.mcl...@sap.com To: els...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:13:11 + CC: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list
[boinc_dev] Team description as spam
Hello, on my project team descriptions are used as spam. (e.g. http://yafu.myfirewall.org/yafu/top_teams.php?type=5) I think we would need an option in delete_spammers.php to delete them also. kind regards, yoyo ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
That misses the detail that the time is borrowed, and will be paid back. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- From: Juha [juha.sointus...@gmail.com] Received: Friday, 03 Oct 2014, 2:22PM To: BOINC Development [boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu] Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Skipping queue to meet deadline ? -Juha On 3 October 2014 19:15, Jacob Klein jacob_w_kl...@msn.com wrote: I still would like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running, despite David's logic against it. The user's interpretations are not something we can control. Providing the feedback, using as meaningful description as possible, is something we can control. And I haven't heard anything that beats my proposal, hence why I'd still like to see it. :) From: john.mcl...@sap.com To: els...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:13:11 + CC: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
I don't think we'll ever have space to fit all that in, until we implement tooltip technology in BOINC Manager for full information boxes, rather than just completing truncated cells. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu; juha.sointus...@gmail.com juha.sointus...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. That misses the detail that the time is borrowed, and will be paid back. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- From: Juha [juha.sointus...@gmail.com] Received: Friday, 03 Oct 2014, 2:22PM To: BOINC Development [boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu] Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Skipping queue to meet deadline ? -Juha On 3 October 2014 19:15, Jacob Klein jacob_w_kl...@msn.com wrote: I still would like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running, despite David's logic against it. The user's interpretations are not something we can control. Providing the feedback, using as meaningful description as possible, is something we can control. And I haven't heard anything that beats my proposal, hence why I'd still like to see it. :) From: john.mcl...@sap.com To: els...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:13:11 + CC: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way -
[boinc_dev] Boinc client certificate verification failure
Hi, My web server's CA (GoDaddy) isn't trusted by the boinc client. When requesting https://example.domain.com/project/get_project_config.php the request fails with: [http] [ID #1] Info: Trying xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx... [http] [ID #1] Info: Connected to example.domain.com (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) port 443 (#0) [http] [ID #1] Info: Connected to example.domain.com (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) port 443 (#0) [http] [ID #1] Info: successfully set certificate verify locations: [http] [ID #1] Info: CAfile C:\Program Files\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt [http] [ID #1] Info: CApath: none [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server hello (2): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS alert, Server hello (2): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details: [http] [ID #1] Info: error: 14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed [http] [ID #1] Info: Closing connection #0 [http] HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates This is causing my any clients to fail when attaching to the project. How can I get the BOINC client to trust the CA that signed my web server's certificate so the client can access the get_project_config.php page? Thanks, Bill ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
Well, yes. You suggested earlier Borrowing time to make deadline. If I had not read this thread and if Manager said something like that to me, I think my initial reaction would be It does what?. -Juha On 3 October 2014 21:44, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: That misses the detail that the time is borrowed, and will be paid back. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- *From:* Juha [juha.sointus...@gmail.com] *Received:* Friday, 03 Oct 2014, 2:22PM *To:* BOINC Development [boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu] *Subject:* Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Skipping queue to meet deadline ? -Juha On 3 October 2014 19:15, Jacob Klein jacob_w_kl...@msn.com wrote: I still would like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running, despite David's logic against it. The user's interpretations are not something we can control. Providing the feedback, using as meaningful description as possible, is something we can control. And I haven't heard anything that beats my proposal, hence why I'd still like to see it. :) From: john.mcl...@sap.com To: els...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:13:11 + CC: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com john.mcl...@sap.com ; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis-interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue-jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
Simplest and very truthfully is of course: Running, trying to meet deadline. Does that really need an explanation of borrowing time, running ahead of the pack, skipping queue, take precedence, risk at missing or high priority? -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Juha juha.sointus...@gmail.com wrote: Well, yes. You suggested earlier Borrowing time to make deadline. If I had not read this thread and if Manager said something like that to me, I think my initial reaction would be It does what?. -Juha On 3 October 2014 21:44, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: That misses the detail that the time is borrowed, and will be paid back. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- *From:* Juha [juha.sointus...@gmail.com] *Received:* Friday, 03 Oct 2014, 2:22PM *To:* BOINC Development [boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu] *Subject:* Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Skipping queue to meet deadline ? -Juha On 3 October 2014 19:15, Jacob Klein jacob_w_kl...@msn.com wrote: I still would like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running, despite David's logic against it. The user's interpretations are not something we can control. Providing the feedback, using as meaningful description as possible, is something we can control. And I haven't heard anything that beats my proposal, hence why I'd still like to see it. :) From: john.mcl...@sap.com To: els...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:13:11 + CC: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com john.mcl...@sap.com ; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler
Re: [boinc_dev] Windows 7 Boinc client service fails to run wrapper successfully
Hi Dave, We think the problem actually stems from the sandboxed permissions of boinc_project and boinc_master when Boinc is installed as a service on Windows. Doing net localgroup administrators neither boinc_master nor boinc_project were listed. So we added net localgroup administrators boinc_master /add net localgroup administrators boinc_project /add to our install script and things worked fine after a restart. I think it's because each time the wrapper tried to communicate with the client, it didn't have permissions to do so, and would exit; but then the client would see it has a free CPU and would restart the job until we hit the 100 retry maximum. As an administrator, the boinc_* user running the wrapper can properly communicate with the client. We are only running our own project, so I we're not too concerned with the security implications of elevating the privileges of the two boinc_* users. I had tried redownloading the wrappers from the WrapperApp site, but they didn't solve the problem. We also tried using the wrappers that come with the debian7 virtualbox server; those didn't work either. Thanks, Bill ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] Windows 7 Boinc client service fails to run wrapper successfully
Sorry, I was away and disabled email delivery. This is my response in context. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Bill Flynn wfly...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave, We think the problem actually stems from the sandboxed permissions of boinc_project and boinc_master when Boinc is installed as a service on Windows. Doing net localgroup administrators neither boinc_master nor boinc_project were listed. So we added net localgroup administrators boinc_master /add net localgroup administrators boinc_project /add to our install script and things worked fine after a restart. I think it's because each time the wrapper tried to communicate with the client, it didn't have permissions to do so, and would exit; but then the client would see it has a free CPU and would restart the job until we hit the 100 retry maximum. As an administrator, the boinc_* user running the wrapper can properly communicate with the client. We are only running our own project, so I we're not too concerned with the security implications of elevating the privileges of the two boinc_* users. I had tried redownloading the wrappers from the WrapperApp site, but they didn't solve the problem. We also tried using the wrappers that come with the debian7 virtualbox server; those didn't work either. Thanks, Bill Bill: It looks like you're using an old version of the wrapper, which had a bug causing the problem you're seeing. This is fixed in the current version:http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WrapperApp -- David On 25-Sep-2014 10:02 AM, Bill Flynn wrote: * Hello, ** We have developed molecular dynamics code which we would like to distribute ** to unused Windows 7 machines at our university. The code was originally ** developed in Linux but we have recently compiled on Windows using Mingw. ** We are distributing the app using the Boinc Wrapper. ** For both Windows clients where Boinc was not installed as a service and ** Linux clients where software was installed via apt-get (or similar), the ** app works well and returns successful results. However, for Windows ** clients where Boinc was installed as a service, the workunits fail 95+% of ** the time with the following error message: ** 10:29:37 (2352): wrapper: starting ** 10:29:38 (2352): wrapper: running ../../projects/ ** XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX/impact_1.5_windows_x86_64.exe ** http://155.247.99.246/impact_1.5_windows_x86_64.exe http://155.247.99.246/impact_1.5_windows_x86_64.exe (md.inp) ** 10:29:49 (2352): BOINC client no longer exists - exiting ** This repeats 100 times until the job returns unsuccessfully with an ** EXIT_CHILD_FAILED or ERR_TOO_MANY_EXITS error. ** I have tested this on several machines with fresh Windows installations ** where Boinc (7.2.42 Windows 64 bit) is installed as a service. Given the ** list of possible issues here ( ** http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?view=116 http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?view=116), I tried all possible ** configurations of disabled anti-virus, disabled Windows time ** synchronization, and disabled drive indexing with the service ** installation. None of them fix the problem. We also run with 50% CPUs ** used with no throttling. We have tested these clients with other projects ** which have native Boinc applications, and they run fine. Therefore, we ** think it is a interaction problem between the Boinc wrapper and Boinc ** client service installation on Windows. ** Speaking of which, are the wrappers found here ( ** http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WrapperApp http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WrapperApp) up to date? ** We are forced to run Boinc as a service in order to use these machines ** (university computer lab/library) and are several weeks/months away from ** getting around to restructuring our code to accommodate the Boinc API. ** Do you have any suggestions on how to fix this issue? I have attached the ** following files: job.xml, input_template, output_template, version.xml, and ** stderr.txt (from an example job). ** Thanks, ** Bill ** ___ ** boinc_dev mailing list ** boinc_dev at ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev ** http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev ** To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and ** (near bottom of page) enter your email address. * ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
All of the running tasks are Running, trying to meet deadline. But only some are Running, prioritized to meet deadline :) From: Jord van der Elstmailto:els...@gmail.com Sent: 10/3/2014 3:18 PM Cc: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Simplest and very truthfully is of course: Running, trying to meet deadline. Does that really need an explanation of borrowing time, running ahead of the pack, skipping queue, take precedence, risk at missing or high priority? -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Juha juha.sointus...@gmail.com wrote: Well, yes. You suggested earlier Borrowing time to make deadline. If I had not read this thread and if Manager said something like that to me, I think my initial reaction would be It does what?. -Juha On 3 October 2014 21:44, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: That misses the detail that the time is borrowed, and will be paid back. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- *From:* Juha [juha.sointus...@gmail.com] *Received:* Friday, 03 Oct 2014, 2:22PM *To:* BOINC Development [boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu] *Subject:* Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Skipping queue to meet deadline ? -Juha On 3 October 2014 19:15, Jacob Klein jacob_w_kl...@msn.com wrote: I still would like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running, despite David's logic against it. The user's interpretations are not something we can control. Providing the feedback, using as meaningful description as possible, is something we can control. And I haven't heard anything that beats my proposal, hence why I'd still like to see it. :) From: john.mcl...@sap.com To: els...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:13:11 + CC: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I know the dictionary meanings. Precedence tends to carry a connotation of permanent. Preference t (in computers at least) tends to mean settable by the user. -Original Message- From: Jord van der Elst [mailto:els...@gmail.com els...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:10 PM To: McLeod, John Cc: David Anderson; BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Priority: a thing that is regarded as more important than another. or: the fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important. or: the right to take precedence or to proceed before others. ** --- Precedence: the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank. I'd say it's second to (high) priority. Preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. or: a prior right or precedence, especially in connection with the payment of debts. We want to step away from priority, but do we still want it to have the same meaning? As then you look at synonyms, which is what I did: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/priority -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03 PM, McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com wrote: Neither preference nor precedence has the quite right meaning in English though. -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jord van der Elst Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:53 AM To: David Anderson Cc: BOINC Dev Mailing List Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. Task xx_yy_zz running as preference, trying to meet the deadline. Task xx_yy_zz running in precedence, trying to meet the deadline. Seeing how we do want to tell that it's a status in order of importance or urgency, we may want to go for the second one. -- Jord van der Elst. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:44 PM, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: I think anything containing priority will create confusion with OS priority. The other problem with showing this info is that it creates the erroneous impression that the job's project will get more than its fair share of computing. Several projects report that when they use short job deadlines (which create high priority jobs) they get lots of user complaints. So I'm in favor of not showing this in the GUI; maybe we can show it in the event log in some better way. -- D On 03-Oct-2014 3:24 PM, Jacob Klein wrote: I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent:
Re: [boinc_dev] Boinc client certificate verification failure
Actually I solved this. I downloaded the GoDaddy ca-bundle and appended its contents to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt. That cleared up the issue. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Bill Flynn wfly...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My web server's CA (GoDaddy) isn't trusted by the boinc client. When requesting https://example.domain.com/project/get_project_config.php the request fails with: [http] [ID #1] Info: Trying xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx... [http] [ID #1] Info: Connected to example.domain.com (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) port 443 (#0) [http] [ID #1] Info: Connected to example.domain.com (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) port 443 (#0) [http] [ID #1] Info: successfully set certificate verify locations: [http] [ID #1] Info: CAfile C:\Program Files\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt [http] [ID #1] Info: CApath: none [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server hello (2): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS alert, Server hello (2): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details: [http] [ID #1] Info: error: 14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed [http] [ID #1] Info: Closing connection #0 [http] HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates This is causing my any clients to fail when attaching to the project. How can I get the BOINC client to trust the CA that signed my web server's certificate so the client can access the get_project_config.php page? Thanks, Bill ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
On my computer, which is allocated about 300 AP WUs at a time, in late September Boinc was running AP WUs due in late October. Then when October 1 came it seemingly panicked and stopped doing anything but processing AP WUs due October 17. That behavior was useful when we could download thousands of WUs, but I think it should be questioned now. Charles Elliott -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jacob Klein Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 9:24 AM To: Richard Haselgrove; McLeod, John; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis- interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue- jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed.
You can still easily get into deadline trouble with either large queues, or multiple projects and an occasional tight deadline. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- From: Charles Elliott [elliott...@comcast.net] Received: Friday, 03 Oct 2014, 10:10PM To: 'Jacob Klein' [jacob_w_kl...@msn.com]; 'Richard Haselgrove' [r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com]; McLeod, John [john.mcl...@sap.com]; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu [boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu] Subject: RE: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. On my computer, which is allocated about 300 AP WUs at a time, in late September Boinc was running AP WUs due in late October. Then when October 1 came it seemingly panicked and stopped doing anything but processing AP WUs due October 17. That behavior was useful when we could download thousands of WUs, but I think it should be questioned now. Charles Elliott -Original Message- From: boinc_dev [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jacob Klein Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 9:24 AM To: Richard Haselgrove; McLeod, John; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. I'd like to see Prioritized to meet deadline in the UI, next to Running. From: Richard Haselgrovemailto:r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Sent: 10/3/2014 9:19 AM To: McLeod, Johnmailto:john.mcl...@sap.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edumailto:boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. The removal followed a question and answer session at the BOINC workshop in Budapest earlier this week. The OS scheduler mis- interpretation was one that I highlighted, but there was also a problem with users thinking that High Priority was a project-chosen queue- jumping facility. I think we're much better off without those confusions over terminology, but I agree with John that it would be good if the reason for non-FIFO running could be marked in some way - if we can find a less-frightening word. From: McLeod, John john.mcl...@sap.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] High priority status message removed. OK, High Priority made it sound like it was running at High OS Scheduler Priority, but some tag that it is not in the normal RR schedule might be good for helping diagnose problems. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
Re: [boinc_dev] Boinc client certificate verification failure
That pretty much just solves the problem for your machine. It won't solve the problem for the volunteers. See: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SecureHttp Apache needs to know about the intermediate chain file that links your ssl cert with the CA’s root certificate. - Rom Sent from Surface From: Bill Flynn Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 3:48 AM To: BOINC Dev Mailing List Actually I solved this. I downloaded the GoDaddy ca-bundle and appended its contents to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt. That cleared up the issue. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Bill Flynn wfly...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My web server's CA (GoDaddy) isn't trusted by the boinc client. When requesting https://example.domain.com/project/get_project_config.php the request fails with: [http] [ID #1] Info: Trying xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx... [http] [ID #1] Info: Connected to example.domain.com (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) port 443 (#0) [http] [ID #1] Info: Connected to example.domain.com (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) port 443 (#0) [http] [ID #1] Info: successfully set certificate verify locations: [http] [ID #1] Info: CAfile C:\Program Files\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt [http] [ID #1] Info: CApath: none [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server hello (2): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSLv3, TLS alert, Server hello (2): [http] [ID #1] Info: SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details: [http] [ID #1] Info: error: 14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed [http] [ID #1] Info: Closing connection #0 [http] HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates This is causing my any clients to fail when attaching to the project. How can I get the BOINC client to trust the CA that signed my web server's certificate so the client can access the get_project_config.php page? Thanks, Bill ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address. ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
