Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?
JDG asked: Specifically, can a director prevent companies from marketing clean versions of popular movies to morally discerning customers? Ouch, this is one of the most evil things that companies do. It should be forbidden, and offenders should be hanged in public :-/ Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?
On 21 Jan 2003 at 9:50, Alberto Monteiro wrote: JDG asked: Specifically, can a director prevent companies from marketing clean versions of popular movies to morally discerning customers? Ouch, this is one of the most evil things that companies do. It should be forbidden, and offenders should be hanged in public :-/ Hardware...yes. Software...no. The difference is that the consumer can't accidently be fooled into buying the software. They buy it and the filters for specific movies because they WANT it. THAT is free speech. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A Certain Commercial
Doug Pensinger wrote: Downright funny, IMO. I can't say that the large mammalian protuberances (to quote FZ) or the shots of scantily clad women has no effect on me (purely involuntary 8^p), but I agree the commercial is pretty juvenile. But what light beer commercial isn't these days. So, in the USA, beer commercials also use pretty girls to sell beer to ugly men? Here in Brazil, becoming a beer girl is always a first step towards celebritydom. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: DON'T feed the Orangutans BRUSSEL SPROUTS!
Jon Gabriel wrote: Monkey keeper James Harper told the BBC: Orang-utans are windy animals but because of all the brussels sprouts they are eating there is quite a pong around here at the moment. He added: Whoever gets the short straw gets to muck them out. Story filed: 19:15 Friday 10th January 2003 ~~ Pong? An unpleasant smell or stink, according to the OED. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A Certain Commercial Re: About My Copyright Notice
Horn, John wrote: Could someone clue me in as to what commercial is being discussed here? I seem to have missed that part... Thanks. I think... The lite beer commercial where the two attractive young women get into a cat fight over whether or not it's less filling or tastes great. (Tells you something when I don't remember which brand of beer does that.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Scouted] Big Brother in Dallas County?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Fool Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Scouted] Big Brother in Dallas County? From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2003-01-16/schutze.html/1/index.html This isn't all that different from Microsoft's Palladium/TCPA plans. It's that smartcardchip built right into the CPU of the upcoming Intel and AMD chips. It does two things: 1. It prevents anyone from doing anything anonymously. 2. It keeps track of everything you do / try. But software doesn't *have to* use the data, does it? Seems to me that this might encourage development of software that ignores it. This seems like another Internet/Anti-net thing. I suspect that the long-term (and not really that long) effect will be to further isolate big media and big software. And at some point, I hope and believe is possible, big media/software will be smaller than everything else combined and thus begin to lose a lot of its impact. Not that this would be the idealized best way to diminish the concentration of power in big media, but it is the way things go in the world. For those of us who regard big media as an enormously important negative force in the world, the appropriate response would be to encourage alternatives as much as we can. (One of these days, I'll be brave enough to *completely* abandon Windows in favor of Linux.) Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Scouted] Big Brother in Dallas County?
On 21 Jan 2003 at 7:39, Nick Arnett wrote: (One of these days, I'll be brave enough to *completely* abandon Windows in favor of Linux.) There is only one reason why I don't at present - Games. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: DON'T feed the Orangutans BRUSSEL SPROUTS!
In a message dated 1/21/03 8:24:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pong? An unpleasant smell or stink, according to the OED. Julia There's nothing wrong with a good old British pong Sideways through the sewers of the Strand on a Sunday afternoon [Just one more Spike Milligan silly song.] Even worse, a character in the New Zealand comic strip Footrot Flats is named Pongo. William Taylor -- ...with a clip to the conk. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Scouted] Big Brother in Dallas County?
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [Scouted] Big Brother in Dallas County? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The Fool Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Scouted] Big Brother in Dallas County? From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2003-01-16/schutze.html/1/index.html This isn't all that different from Microsoft's Palladium/TCPA plans. It's that smartcardchip built right into the CPU of the upcoming Intel and AMD chips. It does two things: 1. It prevents anyone from doing anything anonymously. 2. It keeps track of everything you do / try. But software doesn't *have to* use the data, does it? Seems to me that this might encourage development of software that ignores it. This seems like another Internet/Anti-net thing. I suspect that the long-term (and not really that long) effect will be to further isolate big media and big software. And at some point, I hope and believe is possible, big media/software will be smaller than everything else combined and thus begin to lose a lot of its impact. Not that this would be the idealized best way to diminish the concentration of power in big media, but it is the way things go in the world. For those of us who regard big media as an enormously important negative force in the world, the appropriate response would be to encourage alternatives as much as we can. (One of these days, I'll be brave enough to *completely* abandon Windows in favor of Linux.) But, from my experience, Linux is a nightmare for commercial use. For example, I'm working for a customer who has flavor X of Linux running on company Y's portable computer. When company Y came out with faster portables, flavor X of Linux was unsupported by both the Linux software writer and portable manufacturer. (I don't want to provide names, but this company uses its own system to provide information services to its clients.) After looking at the options, the software manager came to the regretful conclusion that he was not going to obtain drivers for flavor X Linux unless he paid to have them written. Going to flavor W was a better option, so he did that. Given that lack of support, I think it will be a very long time before Linux has any real market share. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Scouted] Big Brother in Dallas County?
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 10:55:31AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Given that lack of support, I think it will be a very long time before Linux has any real market share. You are basing this observation on notebook computers? For desktop computers, there are several vendors that will sell a PC with Linux running fine with all the hardware and drivers already installed. And desktop computers tend to use more established hardware for which drivers are available for Linux. There is a large market for general-use desktop computers, and it is not drivers that is holding Linux back from that market. For notebook computers, the story is different. Since hardware is much less standardized for notebook computers, Linux drivers are often harder to come by. The manufacturers of the specialized hardware always write a Windows driver, but often not only do they not write a Linux driver, but they won't even make the hardware specs available to those who would write a driver. Nevertheless, Linux can be installed on many Dell notebook computers without much difficulty. The real problem comes in with specialized hardware, for example, some small-volume, new piece of hardware used for some task that, say, less than 1% of computer users tend to do. If it is a good piece of hardware that is used for some technical application, the chances are good that a Linux driver will be written eventually, but if you need to use brand-new specialized hardware, then you are probably out of luck with Linux. Of course, that market is, by definition, small. So it is strange to decide that that is what is keeping Linux from gaining any real market share. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Scouted] Big Brother in Dallas County?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Minette ... But, from my experience, Linux is a nightmare for commercial use. For example, I'm working for a customer who has flavor X of Linux running on company Y's portable computer. When company Y came out with faster portables, flavor X of Linux was unsupported by both the Linux software writer and portable manufacturer. (I don't want to provide names, but this company uses its own system to provide information services to its clients.) That's not a fair generalization. It depends very much on the application. And look at the support that IBM is giving Linux now, and even Sun. It's coming into mainstream, slowly but surely. After looking at the options, the software manager came to the regretful conclusion that he was not going to obtain drivers for flavor X Linux unless he paid to have them written. Going to flavor W was a better option, so he did that. Given that lack of support, I think it will be a very long time before Linux has any real market share. Linux drivers often come out later than Windows or Unix drivers... but many big companies don't want to upgrade immediately anyway. On the other hand, it's amazing the variety of machines that are supported by Linux. I just installed Red Hat 8.0 on a Satellite 325 CDS, a pretty old laptop, with zero problems having to do with hardware support. Configuration was another story, but it continues to become easier. And hey, this mailing list runs on Linux! Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Psst. Hey Buddy. Wanna buy the Dodgers?
News Corp. is said to want more than $400 million for the Los Angeles Dodgers and the ballclub's stadium. http://www.latimes.com/business/custom/cotown/la-fi-dodgers21jan21004430,0,608280.story I wish Bloomberg would buy 'em and bring 'em back to Brooklyn Site requires registration. Jon GSV Gotta Love Da Bums _ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Libya to Chair UN Human Rights Commission
If this doesn't shred the last bit of the UN's credibility on human rights, I don't know what will. The USA should withdraw from the UN Commission on Human Rights in protest... JDG RIGHTS COMMISSION: Libya Wins Chair Over U.S. Objections UN WIRE In a secret ballot, the U.N. Human Rights Commission yesterday voted 33-3, with 17 abstentions, to make Libyan Ambassador Najat al-Hajjaji its chairwoman. Citing concerns about Libya's human rights record, the United States called the vote yesterday, breaking with the custom of filling the commission chair by acclamation. Africa currently controls the chair, which rotates among regional blocs, and the African Union chose Libya as its candidate during a meeting last year. Condemning the nomination of al-Hajjaji prior to yesterday's vote, the United States cited Libya's alleged role in rights abuses and involvement in the 1988 bombing of a Pan Am flight over Lockerbie, Scotland. Washington is seeking an acknowledgement of responsibility from Libya in the bombing and compensation for victims' families. U.N. sanctions imposed over the incident were suspended several years ago. Canada said last week that it would join the United States in opposing the nomination, while Western European countries said they would abstain. Others opposed the U.S. move. It is regrettable that the United States opted for this method, South African Ambassador George Nene said. The previous, reliable practice has been violated. U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Sergio Vieira de Mello added that the occasion was a unique opportunity for the commission to demonstrate that it can manage with wisdom, speed and restraint its procedural business (Clare Nullis, Associated Press, Jan. 20). Following her election, al-Hajjaji said the panel must send a message that it deals with all countries equally in seeking to enforce human rights; account for religious, cultural and historical differences in carrying out its work; and assert the universality, indivisibility and complementarity of human rights (U.N. release, Jan. 20). In Tripoli, the Libyan capital, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassuna al-Shawsh said the vote showed Libya has a clean sheet with regard to human rights, calling the result a shining victory which gives back their rights to oppressed peoples (The Australian, Jan. 21). U.S. Ambassador Kevin Moley said, This is not a defeat for the United States; this is a defeat for the Human Rights Commission. The United States is deeply disappointed. ... Libya's government continues to commit serious human rights violations. ... A country with this record does not merit a leadership role in the U.N. system, Moley said after the vote (Richard Waddington, Reuters/Yahoo! News, Jan. 20). Human Rights Watch last week condemned the nomination ahead of the vote, calling Libya's human rights record over the last 30 years appalling. The group cited abduction, disappearance and assassination of political opposition figures; mistreatment of detainees; and long-term detention without charge or trial, or after grossly unfair trials. It said hundreds remain incarcerated arbitrarily in Libya, some for more than 10 years, and it questioned fairness of the country's Peoples' Courts, calling them grossly unfair. Following the African Union's nomination of Libya for the U.N. post, the country indicated it would invite U.N. and other rights investigators to visit and promised to review the Peoples' Courts with a view to abolishing them, Human Rights Watch said. The group welcomed such statements but called for more concrete action from Libya. Human Rights Watch also criticized the commission itself over the affair, saying the panel has grown more timid in recent years as countries with poor human rights records have vied to become members so they can block their own censure. Repressive governments must not be allowed to hijack the U.N. human rights system, the group's U.N. representative, Joanna Wechsler, said. No country has a perfect human rights record, but every member should at least show a real commitment to cooperating with the United Nations on human rights (Human Rights Watch release, Jan. 17). Writing yesterday in the Wall Street Journal, Freedom House President Adrian Karatnycky said the election is a major blow to the credibility of the U.N. system. Karatnycky said Libyan Leader Muammar Qaddafi obtained African Union support by helping bankroll the fledgling organization and that the commission vote will embolden dictators like Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, whom Qaddafi has staunchly defended, as well as Hugo Chavez, who has proposed Libya as an arbiter for Venezuela's mounting strike and protest movement. The U.N. deserves better. Karatnycky called for the establishment of a democracy caucus at the United Nations. While more than three-fifths of the members of the Rights Commission are democracies, they do not represent a cohesive bloc and appear at the moment unwilling
Scouted: Scorpions can set venom on stun or kill
From CNN.com: Scorpions can set venom on stun or kill Tuesday, January 21, 2003 Posted: 9:46 AM EST (1446 GMT) Scorpions save their deadly venom for when they really need it. WASHINGTON (AP) -- Scorpions don't bother to waste venom killing a victim if they don't have to. Instead they use a prevenom that causes extreme pain, resorting to the deadlier version only when necessary, researchers have discovered. A team led by entomologist Bruce D. Hammock of the University of California, Davis, was researching the possibility of an anti-venom for scorpions when they discovered that the stinging creatures produced two kinds of venom. When first confronted by a threat the scorpion produces a clear liquid on its stinger, Hammock said. The more deadly venom, a thick liquid, like a milkshake, is produced later, if the threat continues. It's a clever strategy, Hammock explained, because the deadly true venom uses a lot of proteins and peptides that are costly for the scorpion to make. So instead it tries to get by with a faster acting and more painful toxin that doesn't kill, but is easier to make. The findings are reported in this week's online edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The first scorpion weapon, what Hammock calls a pretoxin, gets its kick largely from potassium salts that block receptors in animal cells, rapidly causing severe pain. I was surprised, at the discovery of this pretoxin, Hammock said. We spent years looking at the very complex, highly toxic peptide toxin ... and the idea that the scorpion was using salt was a real surprise. It's of more than just biological interest that through evolution the scorpion has developed a way to generate pain and frighten predators and, if necessary, to follow this with a very highly toxic peptide toxin, Hammock commented. He said he has never seen a scorpion skip the prevenom and go directly to the more deadly attack. Hammock's team was working with Patabuthus transvaalicus, a South African scorpion that is reportedly one of the most deadly. He said the dual-venom release has been seen in all the scorpions his lab has worked with, but he could not guarantee that every type of scorpion does this. Dr. Paul Fletcher of East Carolina State University, who was not part of the research team but who has studied scorpions for 25 years, said that in many animal glands that produce secretions there are separate cells to produce proteins and to produce a watery secretion to move the proteins out. The stinging process may be such that first comes the liquid and the business end of venom comes later, he commented. That makes their publication interesting and valuable to the scientific community. Hammock said he got interested in working with scorpion venom while researching insecticides. He wanted to take the type of common cold virus that infects insects and insert a gene for a toxin, so that when the insect gets a cold it dies. In the process he came across the deadly P. transvaalicus, with a toxin that turned out to be selectively toxic to mammals. That ruled it out for his insect work, but led to the attempt to develop an anti-venom. Copyright 2003 The Associated Press .All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: bush denies emergency room access to medicaid patients
At 09:43 2003-01-20 -0600, Reggie wrote: But to get back to Nick's original point, a lot more could be done by insurance companies to educate patients about when they need to go to the emergency room, and when a visit to a clinic or to a primary care physician would be more appropriate. But how do educate people without insurance about going to a clinic vs. going to an emergency room? The only methods I can think of are PSAs (Public Service Announcements) on TV and radio, and maybe brochures in emergency rooms saying something like If you have these symptoms, you're in the right place. If you have these other symptoms, you might want to consider a clinic or a visit to your regular doctor. Maybe there can be several brochures based on general symptom, sort of like the fliers found in some drugstores with general info about various diseases. Any other ideas? Reggie Bautista You could have a HealthCare Hotline staffed with nurses and/or doctors so that the common stuff can be taken care of without actually getting out to a hospital or clinic. We have one here and it works relatively well, for those peole who take the time to use it. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: MZB Reference in today's Userfriendly
At 16:28 2003-01-20 -0500, Jon wrote: Today's Userfriendly cartoon contains an obscure but somewhat surprising Marion Zimmer Bradley reference, unless that H word has some other meaning I'm unaware of. :) http://www.userfriendly.org/ Jon I really should re-read that series Maru You might also want to read some HP Lovecraft. The H word has quite another meaning in his tales. UF does feature Cthulhu as a character, so Illiad is probably making a reference to the Mythos rather than Bradley's novels. http://members.tripod.com/~danharms/part2.htm#q211 Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: MZB Reference in today's Userfriendly
From: Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scouted: MZB Reference in today's Userfriendly Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:41:33 -0500 At 16:28 2003-01-20 -0500, Jon wrote: Today's Userfriendly cartoon contains an obscure but somewhat surprising Marion Zimmer Bradley reference, unless that H word has some other meaning I'm unaware of. :) http://www.userfriendly.org/ Jon I really should re-read that series Maru You might also want to read some HP Lovecraft. The H word has quite another meaning in his tales. UF does feature Cthulhu as a character, so Illiad is probably making a reference to the Mythos rather than Bradley's novels. http://members.tripod.com/~danharms/part2.htm#q211 Jean-Louis *sigh* I knew it was too good to be true ;-) Thanks Jean-Louis :) Jon If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ? Dave Barry _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Psst. Hey Buddy. Wanna buy the Dodgers?
In a message dated 1/21/03 12:40:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: News Corp. is said to want more than $400 million for the Los Angeles Dodgers and the ballclub's stadium What if the Buyer's a vegetarian? The horror, the horror. William Taylor -- Been there once. Yawn. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Scouted]Water that won't freeze in Minn. lake
--- J. van Baardwijk wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: - In the bone-chilling deep-freeze of northern Minnesota, there are dozens of lakes and one deepening mystery. Smack in the middle of North Long Lake, surrounded by eight miles of ice thick enough to drive on, there is a gaping black hole nearly a half-mile long. It is a lake within a frozen lake a huge crescent of open water that, for some reason, refuses to freeze over. Must be because of the warmth coming from that UFO that is hiding at the bottom of the lake, ready to evacuate the Raelians should the need arise. Probably the same group of UFOs that, according to my grandmother (bless her heart, she listens _'way_ too much to late night radio talk shows, and has succumbed to belief in massive conspiracy theories), have placed rivers of nuclear waste matter beneath our country... Perhaps _that's_ the true explanation for global warming: UFOs under the Arctic and Antarctic ice pack/shelves. They want to reduce the human population to a more managable, enslavable level, so they're going to flood our coastlines! After all, they tried to use a gengineered influenza virus that they released at Fatima back during WWI... (if I remember my _Chariots of the Gods_ correctly...), and that failed. ;) Let's Hope They Don't Alter Ebola To Be Airborne Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Scouted]Water that won't freeze in Minn. lake
J. van Baardwijk wrote: It is a lake within a frozen lake -- a huge crescent of open water that, for some reason, refuses to freeze over. Must be because of the warmth coming from that UFO that is hiding at the bottom of the lake, ready to evacuate the Raelians should the need arise. They must need the cold water for cooling their energy systems. Did you know they are migratory? In the southern end of South Australia, there is a lake called Blue Lake in Mt Gambier. This is normally a strange steel-grey colour, but every spring, around November the water suddenly changes to a deep dazzling blue. Then, in late March every year, it suddenly changes back to the steel-grey colour. No-one knew why, but the combined resources of Brin-L can now reveal the truth, the grey means the lake is cooling their systems - this is where the Raelians spend the northern summer! Cheers Russell C, ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
FWD: [rrff] Notice regarding Virginia Heinlein
I'm forwarding this from the Reading For the Future list: -- I started an individual letter to several addressees in this and other DYR/RFF groups, but then decided there were so many that perhaps this slightly off-topic post might be acceptable and save time here. Replies expressing grief, generally, probably should be avoided so as not to clog all our mailboxes. Mrs. Heinlein, however, actively supported the goals of this group; and was always interested in and enjoyed receiving news of its activities. The following was written by another addressee of this group, Dr. Robert James [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Virginia Heinlein passed away peacefully in her sleep in the early morning of January 18, 2003. She was 86 years old. Mrs. Heinlein was the widow of famed science fiction writer, Robert A. Heinlein, author of Stranger In a Strange Land and 55 other books, who died in 1988. Her death followed a prolonged bout of respiratory illness, including pneumonia, as well as a broken hip sustained on Thanksgiving Day, 2002, requiring surgery and a long recovery. The couple had no children, but countless readers around the world refer to themselves as Heinlein?s Children. Virginia Gerstenfeld Heinlein was born April 22, 1916, in Brooklyn, New York, the daughter of a dentist. She went to the Packer Collegiate Institute, a college preparatory high school, where she finished in three-and-a-half years, always on the honor roll. She attended New York University, majoring in chemistry. She lettered in swimming, diving, basketball, and field hockey. She also reached national competitive levels in figure skating, the sport that became her lifelong passion. In the late 1950's, she served on the U.S. Olympic Committee for Skating. In time, she came to speak over seven languages, including French, Latin, Italian, and Russian. Graduating in 1937, she worked for as a chemist until 1943, when the WAVE Corps was formed. She enlisted immediately and was offered a commission as a WAVE lieutenant, serving first at the Bureau of Aeronautics, then at the Naval Air Experimental Station in Philadelphia in 1944 and 1945. She met Robert Heinlein there, working as a civilian aviation engineer because the Navy would not overlook his medical discharge due to tuberculosis in 1934. She served as his assistant on several classified development projects as a chemist and aviation test engineer. After World War II, she came to Los Angeles to study for an unfinished doctorate in biochemistry at UCLA. She married Robert Heinlein in Raton, New Mexico, in October 1948. Thereafter, the two were inseparable; those who knew them spoke often of their intense and abiding love for each other. She became his closest companion, aiding him in his writing, and traveling the world with him. Virginia shepherded Robert through two severe near-death illnesses in the seventies through constant care and love. She took over the business aspects of his writing career, freeing him to focus on his writing. Together, they made a special project of organizing local and national blood drives and facilitating cooperation among all the blood collecting organizations in the world. Shortly after his death in 1988, she moved to Florida. She gathered a selection of her husband's letters in Grumbles from the Grave, printed for the first time his travel memoir Tramp Royale and political handbook Take Back Your Government (originally titled How to Be a Politician), and oversaw the restoration of several texts she felt had been badly edited, including Red Planet, Puppet Masters, and Stranger in a Strange Land. Throughout her life, she loved reading, cooking, gardening, music, and politics. In recent years, declining eyesight and physical health curtailed some of her favorite activities, but she began and maintained an active presence on Internet venues devoted to study of her husband's works, pursuing this new hobby with much energy. She endowed the Robert Anson Heinlein Chair in Aerospace Engineering, established on August 28, 2001, at Annapolis, by a gift of over $2.6 million, in honor of her late husband, a graduate of the Naval Academy's Class of 1929. She also helped to found The Heinlein Society, an educational charity dedicated to paying forward to generations to come the many Heinlein legacies. She also endowed the public library in Robert Heinlein's birthplace of Butler, Missouri. Readers have often remarked on the strength, intelligence, and power of his female characters; his fictional women were often based on Virginia Heinlein. As science fiction writer Spider Robinson said, several of Heinlein's women bear a striking resemblance to his wife Virginia. Many of Heinlein's books were dedicated to her. Virginia, or Ginny as she preferred to be called, was his sounding board and source of ideas; she originated the idea that became Stranger in a Strange Land. She was his first reader and trusted critic. Robert Heinlein once said she was
Re: Football coverage observations
--- John D. Giorgis wrote: Dan Minette wrote: [I think John wrote:] Silly me for thinking that they were still playing a game out there, and deciding whether or not to respect certain participants in that game based on the way they played the game. I thought of another thing. As an employee, isn't a coach honor bound to maximize the profit of the owners by whatever means he can? Uh. No. snippage And then, of course, there is the boy who cried wolf effect of using the League rules regarding injuries for a competitive advantage. Quite frankly, its disgusting.. I can't speak to the football or basketball arenas (or really any professional sports area, since I just don't participate/watch, although when I was at LSU I did attend many home games), but I haven't gone to any horse shows of the park or performance horse variety (Saddlebreds, Morgans, Tennessee Walkers) since ~ 1987; I witnessed an animal being badly whipped not for dangerous behavior (deliberate kicking, biting, bucking), but just to get it hyped up before entering the show ring. [Incidentally, it took first place.] Inexcusable. Race horses are also frequently abused: drugs (although high-profile races like the Triple Crown require drug testing, IIRC), ping-pong ball up one nostril (slows the breathing), mis-shoeing a foot to create lameness, or nerving a leg that is genuinely lame and which would cause the animal not to run (nerving is cutting the sensory nerve to that leg to prevent the animal from feeling the pain of a chipped bone or strained tendon; eventually of course that bone will shatter, or the tendon rupture, requiring the animal to be killed) -- all for profit. I don't watch them anymore. And not that long ago, the hunter-jumper world was shocked to learn of owners hiring 'specialists' to kill horses so that they could collect the insurance money. Butchers. VFP Profiteer __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Now I know I am a Netizen!
Hey! I got my first opportunity to make a real killing in the international finance arena! --- JAJA YERIMA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:59:13 +0100 CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL dear sir Sir! *Sir!* Indeed not! You may be suprise to receive this letter from me since you dont know me personally. The purpose of my introduction is that I am JAJA YERIMA, the first son of DAVID YERIMA , the most popular farmer in Zimbabwe who was recently murdered in the land dispute in my country. much snippage Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of US$7,000,000.00 in one security company as he forsaw the coming danger in zimbabwe...This money was deposited in a box as gemstones in to avoid much demurage from the security company... It is against this background that I and my family fled Zimbabwe for fear of our lives and currently staying in The Netherlands where we seek political asylum... Aha! The plot thickens! ;) As the eldest son of my father , I am saddled to which the respobility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transfered without the the knowledge of my government who are bert on taking everything we have gotI am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust my future and family in his hand, I must let you know that this transaction is risk free... I have two options for you , firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the money or you can go into partnership with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your country... Ooh! Ooh! Oh goody! Contact me with the above email address while i imlore you to maintain the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. and your phone and fax number will be need for the transaction. Thanks God bless you I wonder how many forwards of this [EMAIL PROTECTED] got in addition to mine? At Least It Wasn't Porn Spam Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Libya to Chair UN Human Rights Commission
I hate when this happens. Why does real life insist on being less serious than I am? :-/ JDG quoted: U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Sergio Vieira de Mello added that the occasion was a unique opportunity for the commission to demonstrate that it can manage with wisdom, speed and restraint its procedural business (Clare Nullis, Associated Press, Jan. 20). Uh? What does he mean? Maybe I must ask him... Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [rrff] Notice regarding Virginia Heinlein
On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 07:07 PM, Steve Sloan II wrote: snippage about Ms. Heinlein Sigh...A very classy lady. She'll be missed. RIP. john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Football coverage observations
Debbi wrote: I can't speak to the football or basketball arenas (or really any professional sports area, since I just don't participate/watch, although when I was at LSU I did attend many home games), but I haven't gone to any horse shows of the park or performance horse variety (Saddlebreds, Morgans, Tennessee Walkers) since ~ 1987; I witnessed an animal being badly whipped not for dangerous behavior (deliberate kicking, biting, bucking), but just to get it hyped up before entering the show ring. [Incidentally, it took first place.] Inexcusable. I have to agree. People who know about this kind of thing always look at me strangely when I tell them that my family used to own a Tennessee Walker. I always have to explain that we did not show Shannon, nor did we do any of the unusual and uncomfortable things to her that are often done to Walkers to enhance their unusual gait. This kind of thing gets me angry every time I read about it. Why do we think we can torture and maim animals for fun and profit? It's a damn shame is what it is. Reggie Bautista _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?
On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 09:51 PM, John D. Giorgis wrote: Specifically, can a director prevent companies from marketing clean versions of popular movies to morally discerning customers? http://slate.msn.com/id/2077192/ JDG Depends on who holds the copyright. Usually it's the studio. If they don't care, the director can do little save yell loud and strong. Now, should a director working in Hollywierd have the same rights as a director working in France? Maybe a Scorsese, Ford, or Wells, but Michael Bay? How could you tell if a bad director has had his/her film bowdlerized? Film buffs might remember how RKO took The Magnificent Ambersons away from Orson Wells (the greatest American film director to date) while he was shooting another film in Mexico, after he had finished his cut. RKO executives then wrecked the film completely by chopping (I won't call it editing) it into a mess. john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Scorpions can set venom on stun or kill
Jon Gabriel wrote: Hammock said he got interested in working with scorpion venom while researching insecticides. He wanted to take the type of common cold virus that infects insects and insert a gene for a toxin, so that when the insect gets a cold it dies. Now that sounds like an effective WMD. Doug xROU Virulent ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Mexico to ask court to stay U.S. executions
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/1743823 Mexico will today urge the World Court to order stays of execution and retrials for more than 50 Mexicans on death row in the United States. The move reflects the deep disquiet among some of Washington's closest allies over capital punishment, which has led to protests from leading European states and Pope John Paul. Mexico, which does not have the death penalty, says the United States violated the Mexicans' rights by failing to tell them they were entitled to consular assistance after arrest. The 54 were condemned in 10 states including Illinois, where State Governor George Ryan this month took the unprecedented and widely lauded step of commuting the sentences of everyone on the state's death row, declaring the execution system broken. Three Mexicans were spared death by the Illinois decision, which came just days after Mexico brought its case to the International Court of Justice, or World Court, in The Hague. A court spokeswoman said Mexico was free to amend details of its application in the light of the Illinois move. Mexico has clashed repeatedly with the United States over the death penalty in connection with its nationals sentenced to death there. Mexico's case in The Hague is that the United States violated international legal obligations in its treatment of the Mexicans who should therefore be retried. The Vienna Convention on Consular Relations obliges local authorities to inform an arrested person without delay of his right to speak to consular officials of his country. Mexico says U.S. authorities breached this convention for the Mexicans. Mexico wants to request the U.S. to stay the executions, so that none of these 54 Mexicans is executed before the court comes to a final decision on whether the U.S. violated the Convention, said court spokeswoman Laurence Blairon. LEGAL URGENCY The United States and Japan are the only rich, industrial nations to execute convicted criminals: the last person executed in the European Union was guillotined in France in 1977. Pope John Paul has called for a worldwide ban on the death penalty, saying there were practically no cases where it was necessary. The World Court usually takes years to reach final judgements, which are binding and cannot be appealed. Highlighting the case's urgency, Mexico has said a date may be set as soon as February 14 for one of the executions. A similar case came before the court in 2001 when the United States was found to have breached the Convention in the case of two German-born brothers executed in Arizona in 1999. Germany only learned of the situation of Karl and Walter LaGrand -- who stabbed to death a bank manager in a botched robbery -- when they were already on death row, 10 years after the crime and their arrests. Walter was gassed to death in March 1999, the day after the World Court issued an emergency order to postpone the execution. Karl had been put to death before Germany filed the case. Mexico recently clashed with the United States on the death penalty when Texas executed a Mexican citizen in August for the 1988 murder of an undercover Dallas police officer despite pleas for his life from the Mexican president. Following that execution, Fox cancelled a three-day trip to Texas in what his spokesman said was meant as an unequivocal sign of our rejection of the execution. xponent Outside Interference Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Scouted] Water that won't freeze in Minn. lake
The article I read (in the Wall Street Journal IIRC) mentioned that the lake was actually warmer in the area in question (40 F sounds familiar, but I wouldn't swear to it). They'd done salinity tests and whatnot, but none of the results provided any explanations. As for the UFO theory, the residents are pushing it, hoping to get an increase in tourism. A local bar designed a drink called The Black Hole and touted views of the lake during lunch time. A very nifty science mystery, all in all. Personally, I think it's the heat from all those decomposing alien bodies the government dumped when they had to clean out Area 54... Amanda - Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Scouted] Water that won't freeze in Minn. lake Jon Gabriel wrote: If the water contains a high concentration of saline then it won't freeze at 0 degrees C. The article doesn't say if the lake is freshwater or saltwater, but I vaguely recall that lakes are usually freshwater? High pressure also prevents water from freezing, because liquid H2O has a higher density than solid H2O. That's why water exists under the Northern Pole Icecap. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Who Has the Rights to a Movie?
JDG asked: Specifically, can a director prevent companies from marketing clean versions of popular movies to morally discerning customers? Alberto replied: Ouch, this is one of the most evil things that companies do. It should be forbidden, and offenders should be hanged in public :-/ It's one thing to bleep out or mute out an objectionable word, it's a whole other thing to replace it with a different word. I've always disliked the practice of redubbed dialogue in movies when shown on television. Of course, if they just bleeped or muted bad language in Pulp Fiction, large parts of it would become completely unintelligible :-) But really, that's ok. If you are offended by that kind of language, then why are you watching the movie in the first place? Most dubbing for television is purposely mixed in a way that makes it very obvious that this is not the original dialogue. Thank God for Showtime, et.al., where a person can see a movie as it was originally made. But replacing an image of a nude person with a corsetted picture? These are the same people who would put a shroud around Michelangelo's David. How would they feel about someone rewriting the Bible to soften or remove all the violent parts, like the crucifixion? Sometimes the violence is a vital part of the story. The fact that a person uses bad language tells you a lot about that persons character. The fact that they use a gun tells you a lot too. ...Editing out the bullet shots in [Saving Private Ryan's] first battle scene as the article says has been done completely changes the intent of that sequence, which was meant to show that war is not glamorous, it's not fun, it's bloody and violent. Honestly, if you find a movie objectionable, DON'T WATCH IT! This is not difficult. The reason movies are edited for airlines is that it's impossible to not see the screen. Radio stations mute out or bleep out or otherwise make edits to remove offensive language, but they don't replace the bad words with words that aren't bad. I have no problem with a movie studio (the copyright owner) releasing a version of a movie with offensive language muted (provided the movie packaging clearly notes this), but I *do* have a problem with words and pictures being replaced. It's really simple. If you know that you are going to find images in a movie to be objectionable to you, then don't rent it. There are plenty of sites on the internet that provide enough information in advance without spoiling the stories to allow people to make educated decisions about this, and these sites are easily accessible from a computer in any public library. Most public libraries also carry publications like Christian Science Monitor and National Catholic Reporter which also give this kind of information. If you're watching a copy of Saving Private Ryan that has no blood, no bullets, and no death, then you aren't watching Saving Private Ryan. Reggie Bautista _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[opinion] America Under Siege
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/1/20/180651.shtml America's enemies within turned out in force on Saturday in Washington, D.C., and San Francisco under the auspices of the Communist Workers World Party operating under its front organization, A.N.S.W.E.R. Once again the demonstrators pretended to be peace activists who found violence abhorrent, and a willing media played along with the charade. Neither the New York Times nor the Los Angeles Times nor any media I saw identified the organizers as Communists, who have a long record of support for world terror and its leaders including the Ayatollah Khomeini, Kim Jong-il, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein. As reported by the unfiltered cameras of C-SPAN, the pretense, in fact, was pretty thin. One of the featured speakers was a spokesman for the narco-terrorists in Colombia who opened his rant (all the speeches fell into this category) with We have to stop America's war against the people of Iraq, and the people of Palestine, Colombia and the world. America is supporting the government of Colombia against a brutal communist guerrilla force that has been waging civil war there for half a century. Come to think of it, America's enemies in Palestine are the terrorist organizations Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the al-Aksa Martyrs terrorist brigade. And in Iraq, there is a dictator who has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his own people and has attempted to swallow the country of Kuwait. The spokesman for the Colombian narco-terrorists was quite candid (and why not, since he knows that the American media will present him as a peace activist anyway). As revolutionaries, he said to the crowd, as progressives, we have to resist American imperialism. Then came Imam Mussa from the mosque Masjid al-Islam. Like most of the cast assembled by A.N.S.W.E.R., the Imam had also been a speaker at the Millions for Reparations March last August - which was more about denouncing America as a racist, imperialist monster than making a case for compensation for any specific injustices (See my report, Reparations Buffoons on the Washington Mall - http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=2436) Here is a sample of the rhetoric at that march from Malik Zulu Shabazz (one of the few who was not at the peace event): The president wants to talk about a terrorist named bin Laden. I don't want to talk about bin Laden. I want to talk about a terrorist called George Washington. I want to talk about a terrorist called Rudy Giuliani. The real terrorists have always been the United Snakes of America. When he got going, the Imam Mussa dotted the i's and crossed any t's that the narco-terrorist spokesman had missed, telling the crowd that the regime change they wanted was in Washington, not Bagdhad, and that they really didn't want a regime change at all. We 're calling for a System change, he said. Revolution. We won't get any justice as long as that criminal Congress is up there. We're calling for revolution. It's revolution time, brothers and sisters. We have to get rid of greedy murderers and imperialists like George Bush in the White House. The Imam then led the crowd - are you ready for this - in the chant the suicide bombers use as they blow up innocent men, women and children: Allahu Ahkbar! Allahu Ahkbar! Allahu Akhbar! Democratic New York City Councilman and former Black Panther Charles Baron was also a speaker at the Millions for Reparations March, where he announced he needed to assault a white person for his mental health. On this occasion he kept his racism in check, but not his rhetoric. If you're looking for the Axis of Evil, he raved, then look inside the belly of this beast. He went on to attack America's monopoly capitalists (a technical term which veterans of the left will recognize as the mark of Communist and Maoist sectarians), who of course are the puppeteers pulling the president's strings. Damu Smith, head of Black Voices for Peace, returned to Baron's theme and made it specific. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, he said, that's the Axis of Evil. Larry Holmes, co-founder of the sponsoring organization, who also hosted the Millions for Reparations March, then led the crowd in chants to free two convicted murderers, Mumia Abu Jamal and Jamin al Alamin (H. Rap Brown). This was a set piece also during the Millions for Reparations March. It would be reassuring if one could report that a single speaker or face in the televised crowd dissented from the stew of anti-American, anti-white, anti-Jew hatred or the violent incitements, but not one did. The crowd relished the show and was in total sympathy with the message. Another striking fact about this march in support of global terrorism was the presence of prominent Democrat officials on the platform. In San Francisco, the most powerful Democrat legislator in the state, John Burton, screamed, The president is full of sh*t! and said that the president is f*cking with us, while encouraging the
Re: Now I know I am a Netizen!
Haha, I got one of these a while ago and actually responded (from a little used e-mail address) with the intent to screw with them as much as possible. After a little reply that was a little over the top the goon responded! Great fun! Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Revell's Tiger Ausf. H ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Scouted] Water that won't freeze in Minn. lake
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Amanda SubbaRao Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Scouted] Water that won't freeze in Minn. lake The article I read (in the Wall Street Journal IIRC) mentioned that the lake was actually warmer in the area in question (40 F sounds familiar, but I wouldn't swear to it). They'd done salinity tests and whatnot, but none of the results provided any explanations. As for the UFO theory, the residents are pushing it, hoping to get an increase in tourism. A local bar designed a drink called The Black Hole and touted views of the lake during lunch time. A very nifty science mystery, all in all. Personally, I think it's the heat from all those decomposing alien bodies the government dumped when they had to clean out Area 54... There's an Area 54? :) I *knew* Studio 54 was filled with Aliens! :) Jon GSV *Ducking*! Amanda - Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Scouted] Water that won't freeze in Minn. lake Jon Gabriel wrote: If the water contains a high concentration of saline then it won't freeze at 0 degrees C. The article doesn't say if the lake is freshwater or saltwater, but I vaguely recall that lakes are usually freshwater? High pressure also prevents water from freezing, because liquid H2O has a higher density than solid H2O. That's why water exists under the Northern Pole Icecap. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Football coverage observations
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Football coverage observations In a message dated 1/20/2003 9:44:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought of another thing. As an employee, isn't a coach honor bound to maximize the profit of the owners by whatever means he can? But there has to be a limit. The notion that you can do anything as long as you don't caught could right out of the Eron WorldCom play book. Its far older than that. Is it all right to force a player to play while injured? To encourage players to gain weight or take pain killers even though it this is clearly dangerous to the players health. My perspective, No. But, I'm not as much a free marketer as JDG is. And, the reality is all of us who follow winners are feeding the problem. The reality of pro sports is that winning is all that matters. By watching and going to games, we contribute to this, and must share the blame. In short, we set up a structure in which only those teams that do this meet with our approval. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Compensation claims 'costing UK £10bn a year'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-2251069,00.html Britain pays out more compensation claims than the rest of Europe, running up a bill of around £10 billion a year, a report reveals. Payouts and legal costs are growing by 15% a year due to a compensation culture, the report by the Actuarial Profession says. The UK is top of the payout list in the European Union, dealing with around 78,100 applications every year. France is the second highest with just 13,353 applications. Compensation claims now account for 1% of the nation's gross domestic product, the report reveals. The report blames the growth on the no win, no fee arrangements for lawyers and no central focus from the Government. Julian Lowe, chairman of the Actuaries' Working Party which produced the report, said: One of our key findings is that over a third of the total cost of compensation goes in legal and administrative expenses. This seems a fundamentally inefficient way of delivering compensation. The report - The Cost of Compensation Culture - looked at a whole range of cases from ordinary insurance claims to negligence involving the NHS, the police, local authorities and other public sector bodies. Mr Lowe added: Some have argued that the shift towards an individual's right to compensation has forced big business and public authorities to behave more responsibly. We believe that a more litigious society would be a bad thing because the costs, both financial and in terms of restricting activities, outweigh the benefits of providing better compensation to accident victims. xponent Also Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Scouted] X-men ruled not human
At 05:37 PM 1/20/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1043013622300562504,00.html It's rather interesting what greed will force in the US legal system. I'm just glad to see that the US court system has obviously already settled all the more important cases . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A Certain Commercial Re: About My Copyright Notice
At 06:59 PM 1/20/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: At 10:48 PM 1/18/2003 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: Julia who doesn't like the end of a certain commercial As opposed to the beginning of it? The whole commercial leaves something to be desired, certainly (a sense of decency?), but falling into the cement that way is *dangerous*, and some idiot is going to end up hurting herself (or himself?) trying to emulate the whole thing. Leading up to that point, it's just stupid. I don't think I've seen this commercial. Could someone provide more info, please? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Now I know I am a Netizen!
At 05:08 PM 1/21/03 -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: Hey! I got my first opportunity to make a real killing in the international finance arena! --- JAJA YERIMA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:59:13 +0100 Are you the one who sent it to me? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Now I know I am a Netizen!
JAJA YERIMA Any relationship to Binks? Mesa gonna give yousa muey muey moola. William Taylor -- There's a plan to the Tandu that can do you in. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Now I know I am a Netizen!
In a message dated 1/21/2003 9:17:47 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Haha, I got one of these a while ago and actually responded (from a little used e-mail address) with the intent to screw with them as much as possible. After a little reply that was a little over the top the goon responded! Great fun! If it was not here, what list was it where the mark responded with tales of Lovecraft and had the guy going for over a month? William Taylor - God of the old ones as a very short painter turned game show host. Chuthulose La, Trek. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
