RE: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-29 Thread ChadCooper
OK, it does not quite fit, but perhaps what he got was there, with there
being a noun?


This guy went into the forest one day. Once there, he got there, but he
couldn't get there, so he left it there and then brought there back
home.

Nerd From Hell

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 Lets play a little game. I'll start things off by throwing a 
 riddle on the 
 table. The first person to correctly answer the riddle has 
 the privilege of 
 posting a riddle of their own.
 
 This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, 
 but he couldn't 
 get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get?
 
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Re: Efficient bus

2003-12-29 Thread Robert J. Chassell
The inverted rotor/stator design is such an obvious and elegant
solution to an electric drive for vehicles that one does wonder
why it hadn't been thought of before.

It has been thought of before.  To my personal knowledge, it was
thought of at least 40 years ago.

There are several reasons the design was not used in cars:

  * Motors like this make for heavier wheels; the `unsprung weight'
increases.  I have yet to read a discussion of how important this
factor is now; all I know is that engineers have always told me
that an increase in `unsprung weight' is a problem.  

As far as I know, this is, or was, the key problem.

In the 1960s, Wyle Labs developed a hydraulic resevoir and motor
that would have been fine for cars except for this problem.  (I am
told it ended up being used by NASA; devices may have gone to the
moon.)  I don't know whether modern designs for either electricty
or hydraulics weigh less.

  * In the 1950s, it was less expensive to build cars with an internal
combustion engine driving a clutch, a differential, and wheels
than to build cars with an internal combustion engine driving a
generator and then motors on wheels.  

Remember, car manufacturers enjoyed a great deal of sunk
investment in machinery to make clutches and differentials.  A
different technology could not simply be a little better; it had
to be sufficiently better that the oligopolists of the time had an
incentive to shift.  Moreover, California smog regulations did not
exist, so companies were not encouraged to design hybrids with
less smoggy engines.

  * In the past, and perhaps in the present, I do not know, engineers
have been worried about keeping connections in a wheel from
shorting when the car drives through puddles of water.

Would the inverted rotor/stator design be for direct current,
which was the least expensive before modern controls and which has
the best low power torque?  If so, the problem of shorts becomes
very serious.

  * In the past, speed control mechanisms were more expensive than
now; the price of modern electronics has dropped markedly over the
past half century.

Incidentally, I do not know how a car was supposed to respond to a
foot on the pedal in the past-- would it increase the fuel flow to the
engine, which would generate more electricity, which would provide
more power to the wheels, thereby obviating the need for expensive and
unreliable batteries, or would pressing the accelerator increase
electricity from a battery, the draw on which would cause a govenor to
increase fuel flow to an engine?  Remember, batteries are temperature
sensitive, and their use through the winter is difficult, though not
impossible.

I personally have always wanted to see an inverted rotor/stator design
for cars.  It is a beautiful design.

-- 
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Re: Snow Crash

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote:


The Sparrow would be a somewhat abrupt change of gears there, but if you
can handle that, I highly recommend it.  It'll take less time to read
than Cryptonomicon.  I haven't read Permutation City to comment on it.
Well The Sparrow was handiest, so it's it.  I was actually tempted to read 
one of the Civil War histories I haven't read yet as one of my Christmas 
presents was a huge Civil War atlas, but I guess I'll put that off for a 
bit.  I also have Quicksilver in my pile, since Bob mentioned it.  I 
happened to find the three Stephenson books at once at Know New Books 
whereas they hardly ever have any of his stuff because it sells right away.

--
Doug
ROU Snap 'em Up
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Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-29 Thread Travis Edmunds

From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:40:43 -0700
Having reviewed the guesses made, and your responses, I noticed that one
guess got a not exactly response, leading me to believe it was close to
the answer.  That guess was a sense of accomplishment, so here is one
final set of guesses before I give up:
A sense of wonder
No.

A sense of oneness with the world/nature
No.

A sense of belonging
No.

Though to me, these things do not seem to fit the conditions of the riddle,
I make these guesses based on how you have reacted to various guesses.
That's all I've got.
Michael Harney
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You know, I would probably do the same thing you're doing right about now. 
However this is a classic case of over-analysis. The answer (or perhaps more 
accurately my answer) isn't a sense of anything, nor is it an intangible, 
abstract concept of any type. Rather it is something quite concrete.

-Travis

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Re: Science Fiction In General

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nothing too much that was new.  Mostly more of the same-old
stuff.  (Yawn.)
Oh I don't know, Chelegrans, behemothaurs, pylon country as well as a more 
in depth look at a lot of the stuff that he'd only touched on briefly made 
it interesting to me.  That and an introspective look at the Culture - all 
is not perfect.  One thing; Banks can end a book gracefully - satisfyingly 
and I thought the ending of this one was a good piece of work.

 Depends--what exactly IS a git?  The best definition I can
 produce is one who intentionally refuses to think...
  a foolish or worthless person (http//www.m-w.com)
That's a dictionary definition.  I've read a few.  They
give one the general sense of the word, but don't really settle
what Horza is.  He really seems to be balanced on the knife-edge
between git and not git.
If one acts foolishly for idealistic reasons, is one
really a git?  Probably not.  But add that one's ideals are
not quite consistent, and one is quite possibly a git.
I give up--the Brits can argue this one out.
Well, Horza may have been wrong from our point of view and from the 
Culture's point of view, but he thought he was right, he was good (as in 
skilled), and he had some pretty cool tricks.  And hey, don't forget his 
species was all but extinct so there was some measure of desperation 
involved.

Definitely not a git, IMO. 8^)

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RE: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-29 Thread Travis Edmunds



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Subject: RE: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 06:52:49 -0800
OK, it does not quite fit, but perhaps what he got was there, with 
there
being a noun?

This guy went into the forest one day. Once there, he got there, but he
couldn't get there, so he left it there and then brought there back
home.
Nerd From Hell

Sorry. Wrong answer.

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Re: Science Fiction In General

2003-12-29 Thread Travis Edmunds

From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Science Fiction In General
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:52:12 -0600
Travis wrote:
 -Dune (can't wait to read it/at least two people here on the list highly
 recommended it + the series)
You may have heard this from me before, I'm pretty sure others on
this list have...  I loved the first Dune novel, loved the third and the
ones after that.
Reggie Bautista
So, as far as the entire series is concerned, how would you rate it? Does it 
make your top ten for example?

-Travis

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Re: Filtering

2003-12-29 Thread Travis Edmunds

From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:16:08 -0600
I am sincere about not wanting to offend anybody to the extent that they 
leave the list.

However, I also agree with everyone who has said that it is ultimately up 
to each member of the list to decide how to handle threads which upset 
them.  On occasion someone has said something which upset me, but I'm still 
here . . .
Well of course. I couldn't agree with you more. However, in the interests of 
avoiding a perpetually constipated discussion, in which we will most likely 
earn the collective title of KOSTO, let me quote something for you which 
sums everything up quite nicely:

This list seeks to be self-moderating

That's really all there is to say.



(I suppose someone will see that as a challenge . . . )

-- Ronn!  :)
Doubtful. Then again I once saw a fish swim (if you can believe that!!), so 
I suppose ANYTHING is possible.

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Star Trek The Next Generation question

2003-12-29 Thread Julia Thompson
The episode that ends with Worf in the mud bath (can't remember the
name, but if you know the answer to the question, I'm sure you'll
remember exactly which episode that is):

At some point, Alexander is walking around saying The er, the
_er.  Or something like that.

We can't remember what's in the blanks.  If anyone remembers and cares
to share, we're interested.  :)

Julia
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RE: Star Trek The Next Generation question

2003-12-29 Thread Miller, Jeffrey


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 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 08:33 AM
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 Subject: Star Trek The Next Generation question
 
 
 The episode that ends with Worf in the mud bath (can't 
 remember the name, but if you know the answer to the 
 question, I'm sure you'll remember exactly which episode that is):
 
 At some point, Alexander is walking around saying The 
 er, the _er.  Or something like that.
 
 We can't remember what's in the blanks.  If anyone remembers 
 and cares to share, we're interested.  :)

Worf in a mud bath?  Alexander must've been saying the horror.. the horror..

-j-
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Re: Star Trek The Next Generation question

2003-12-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
 
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 08:33 AM
  To: Killer Bs Discussion
  Subject: Star Trek The Next Generation question
 
 
  The episode that ends with Worf in the mud bath (can't
  remember the name, but if you know the answer to the
  question, I'm sure you'll remember exactly which episode that is):
 
  At some point, Alexander is walking around saying The
  er, the _er.  Or something like that.
 
  We can't remember what's in the blanks.  If anyone remembers
  and cares to share, we're interested.  :)
 
 Worf in a mud bath?  Alexander must've been saying the horror.. the horror..

1)  What Alexander was saying happened earlier in the episode than the
mud bath.

2)  The one most horrified by Worf being in the mud bath was Worf
himself.  Alexander enjoyed it.  Lwaxana enjoyed it, as well.  I think
maybe Deanna was in there, too.

But what's really memorable is Worf in the mud bath at the end.  That
and Lwaxana showing up naked for her wedding.

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Re: Star Trek The Next Generation question

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote:


1)  What Alexander was saying happened earlier in the episode than the
mud bath.
2)  The one most horrified by Worf being in the mud bath was Worf
himself.  Alexander enjoyed it.  Lwaxana enjoyed it, as well.  I think
maybe Deanna was in there, too.
But what's really memorable is Worf in the mud bath at the end.  That
and Lwaxana showing up naked for her wedding.
The name of the episode is _The Cost of Living_ but I can't find the quote 
you're looking for.

My only memory of the episode is Worf sitting in the mud bath saying 
something like So we just sit here? near the end of the show.

--
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Re: Star Trek The Next Generation question

2003-12-29 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 02:44 PM 12/29/2003, you wrote:
Miller, Jeffrey wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson
  Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 08:33 AM
  To: Killer Bs Discussion
  Subject: Star Trek The Next Generation question
 
 
  The episode that ends with Worf in the mud bath (can't
  remember the name, but if you know the answer to the
  question, I'm sure you'll remember exactly which episode that is):
 
  At some point, Alexander is walking around saying The
  er, the _er.  Or something like that.
 
  We can't remember what's in the blanks.  If anyone remembers
  and cares to share, we're interested.  :)

 Worf in a mud bath?  Alexander must've been saying the horror.. the 
horror..

1)  What Alexander was saying happened earlier in the episode than the
mud bath.
2)  The one most horrified by Worf being in the mud bath was Worf
himself.  Alexander enjoyed it.  Lwaxana enjoyed it, as well.  I think
maybe Deanna was in there, too.
But what's really memorable is Worf in the mud bath at the end.  That
and Lwaxana showing up naked for her wedding.
Julia
I said this a year or four ago. Alexander said The higher the fewer. I 
found this:

http://tiger.towson.edu/discussion/cosc/cosc/0012.htm

but thought I saw a different explanation from England, something about 
foreign troops asking questions and getting false answers, making the 
questioner think you were crazy.

Kevin T. - VRWC
I take Deanna in a mudbath for 600 Alex
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Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-29 Thread Kevin Tarr

You know, I would probably do the same thing you're doing right about now. 
However this is a classic case of over-analysis. The answer (or perhaps 
more accurately my answer) isn't a sense of anything, nor is it an 
intangible, abstract concept of any type. Rather it is something quite 
concrete.

-Travis
Is it concrete?

Kevin T. - VRWC
I liked catwoman better.
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You Know What Pisses Mo Off...

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Is when you're doing a search and you go to a site and some how the site 
traps you - keeps you from going back - when you hit the back button it 
just goes back to the same page.  I won't mention any names (hahem amazon 
hahem) since there's an employee (hahem jeffery hahem) on the list, but it 
is very anoying.  Anyone know how to keep it from doing that.

--
Doug
GSV hahem=throat clearing noise (in case you hadn't guessed class)
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Re: You Know What Pisses Mo Off...

2003-12-29 Thread Erik Reuter
It actually has an extra page (or more than one) in your history that
forwards or redirects you to the page that you see.

So, just skip the redirect page when you retreat. Go back in history by
2 or more entries. You can do that by clicking on the down arrow part
of the back button (which will drop down a history list), or by bringing
up the history menu.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:09:51PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:
 Is when you're doing a search and you go to a site and some how the site 
 traps you - keeps you from going back - when you hit the back button it 
 just goes back to the same page.  I won't mention any names (hahem amazon 
 hahem) since there's an employee (hahem jeffery hahem) on the list, but it 
 is very anoying.  Anyone know how to keep it from doing that.
 
 -- 
 Doug
 GSV hahem=throat clearing noise (in case you hadn't guessed class)
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Re: You Know What Pisses Mo Off...

2003-12-29 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:09 PM 12/29/03, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Is when you're doing a search and you go to a site and some how the site 
traps you - keeps you from going back - when you hit the back button it 
just goes back to the same page.  I won't mention any names (hahem amazon 
hahem) since there's an employee (hahem jeffery hahem) on the list, but it 
is very anoying.  Anyone know how to keep it from doing that.


Don't go there.

Yes It Torques Me Off Too Maru

-- Ronn!  :)

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RE: You Know What Pisses Mo Off...

2003-12-29 Thread Miller, Jeffrey


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 02:10 PM
 To: Killer Bs Discussion
 Subject: You Know What Pisses Mo Off...
 
 
 Is when you're doing a search and you go to a site and some 
 how the site 
 traps you - keeps you from going back - when you hit the back 
 button it 
 just goes back to the same page.  I won't mention any names 
 (hahem amazon 
 hahem) since there's an employee (hahem jeffery hahem) on the 
 list, but it 
 is very anoying.  Anyone know how to keep it from doing that.

Man, those jerks at AMZN sure are a bunch of... hey... wait a minute!! ;)

(seriously tho, we do that?  tell me where, I'll go knock some heads together.. I hate 
that stuff, too)

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Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-29 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 01:26 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote:
Lets play a little game. I'll start things off by throwing a riddle on the 
table. The first person to correctly answer the riddle has the privilege 
of posting a riddle of their own.

This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he 
couldn't get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get?


Ahh, I know the real answer now. I got a chill when it dawned on me. (and 
there are two hints in that sentence).

Kevin T. - VRWC
Another wasted hour
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Re: You Know What Pisses Mo Off...

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:20:51 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

It actually has an extra page (or more than one) in your history that
forwards or redirects you to the page that you see.
OK, why does it do that?
So, just skip the redirect page when you retreat. Go back in history by
2 or more entries. You can do that by clicking on the down arrow part
of the back button (which will drop down a history list), or by bringing
up the history menu.
Very cool, thanks Erik.  I never even noticed the little down arrow.

--
Doug
Pisses Mo off? Larry?  Curley?
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Re: You Know What Pisses Mo Off...

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:06:12 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 03:25:00PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:20:51 -0500, Erik Reuter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It actually has an extra page (or more than one) in your history
that forwards or redirects you to the page that you see.
OK, why does it do that?
There are several possible reasons. I don't know exactly where you are
seeing it here since your description was vague. I would guess that it
is redirecting you from a non-secure page to a secure-page, but it could
also be a login redirect, or maybe re-direct to a partner's site, or

I clicked a link on Google to this page:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6304535376/bestellung-20/002-3219025-5193664
or
http://tinyurl.com/23rma
and then couldn't get directly back.

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RE: You Know What Pisses Mo Off...

2003-12-29 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
do you happen to remember what you search for on google?  Its not a secure server 
issue (I know, I /own/ the page you landed on..)  feel free to email me offlist;  I'm 
really super curious, as this is a really bad user experience..

-j-

 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 05:00 PM
 To: Killer Bs Discussion
 Subject: Re: You Know What Pisses Mo Off...
 
 
 On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:06:12 -0500, Erik Reuter 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 03:25:00PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:
 
  On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:20:51 -0500, Erik Reuter 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  It actually has an extra page (or more than one) in 
 your history 
  that forwards or redirects you to the page that you see.
 
  OK, why does it do that?
 
  There are several possible reasons. I don't know exactly 
 where you are 
  seeing it here since your description was vague. I would 
 guess that it 
  is redirecting you from a non-secure page to a secure-page, but it 
  could also be a login redirect, or maybe re-direct to a partner's 
  site, or
 
 
 I clicked a link on Google to this page:
 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6304535376/bestellung-20/002-3219025-5193664
or
http://tinyurl.com/23rma

and then couldn't get directly back.

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Re: Science Fiction In General

2003-12-29 Thread David Hobby
Doug Pensinger wrote:
 
 David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Nothing too much that was new.  Mostly more of the same-old
  stuff.  (Yawn.)
 
 Oh I don't know, Chelegrans, behemothaurs, pylon country as well as a more
 in depth look at a lot of the stuff that he'd only touched on briefly made
 it interesting to me.  That and an introspective look at the Culture - all
 is not perfect.  One thing; Banks can end a book gracefully - satisfyingly
 and I thought the ending of this one was a good piece of work.

Yes.  It was well done, and fleshed some things out.  But
it still feels weak, compared to the others.
 
 
   Depends--what exactly IS a git?  The best definition I can
   produce is one who intentionally refuses to think...
 
a foolish or worthless person (http//www.m-w.com)
 
That's a dictionary definition.  I've read a few.  They
  give one the general sense of the word, but don't really settle
  what Horza is.  He really seems to be balanced on the knife-edge
  between git and not git.
If one acts foolishly for idealistic reasons, is one
  really a git?  Probably not.  But add that one's ideals are
  not quite consistent, and one is quite possibly a git.
I give up--the Brits can argue this one out.
 
 Well, Horza may have been wrong from our point of view and from the
 Culture's point of view, but he thought he was right, he was good (as in
 skilled), and he had some pretty cool tricks.  And hey, don't forget his
 species was all but extinct so there was some measure of desperation
 involved.

Surely believing that one is right is not enough to avoid
being a git?  Neither is being skilled, is it?
As for his species being close to extinction, doesn't that
provide more evidence of his being a git?  He shouldn't be 
chasing minds in tunnels if he's worried about his kind dying
out.  Most of the galaxy was not involved--he should have got
out of the combat zone.  : )

 Definitely not a git, IMO. 8^)

---David

Anatomy of a git
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Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-29 Thread David Hobby
...
 intangible, abstract concept of any type. Rather it is something quite
 concrete.
 
 -Travis

But nowhere near as concrete as a rock, or even a comic book?  : )

 
 Is it concrete?
 
 Kevin T. - VRWC
 I liked catwoman better.

No, I like Concrete.  Of course I went to school with Paul
Chadwick, so I'm biased.

http://www.weisshahn.de/concrete/

---David
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u

2003-12-29 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 12/29/2003 11:49:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 So how was Quicksilver?  Oh, and while I've got your attention, did you 
 read Bear's Vitals?  I'm guessing you may have disliked it 
 as much as you 
 did Darwin's Radio.

I liked Quicksilver but it is a very long book that doesn't really have much a point. 
The mixture of historical figures of the 17th century in particular Newton  Liebnitz 
and Hooke with fictional characters who by the way are the ancestors of the main 
characters in Cryptonimonicon is really cool but the book 
is so dense with the ambiance of the times in England
France and Holland that it kind of drags. Especially the first 
half. Once he introduces Jack Shaftoe and Eliza things 
pick up. I would read Cryptonimonicon first to see if you
like this style of writing since the structure of Quicksilver 
is the same. Quicksilver is part of a trilogy so I am sure
it won't make sense unitl the end of book 3 (System of the World). Another book to 
consider is Illeum, Dan Simmons sci fi
version of the Iliad. Also the beginning of a series.


I haven't read Vitals. What it is about?

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RE: u

2003-12-29 Thread Travis Edmunds



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Killer Bs Discussion)
Subject: u
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:35:11 -0500
Another book to consider is Illeum, Dan Simmons sci fi
version of the Iliad. Also the beginning of a series.

Now that sounds interesting.

-Travis positively aching to read that Edmunds

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Re: RIDDLES: Yet another thread for fun.

2003-12-29 Thread Michael Harney

From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Lets play a little game. I'll start things off by throwing a riddle on the
 table. The first person to correctly answer the riddle has the privilege
of
 posting a riddle of their own.

 This guy went into the forest one day. Once there he got it, but he
couldn't
 get it. So he left it there and brought it back home. What did he get?

In another message:

 You know, I would probably do the same thing you're doing right
 about now. However this is a classic case of over-analysis. The
 answer (or perhaps more accurately my answer) isn't a sense
 of anything, nor is it an intangible, abstract concept of any type.
 Rather it is something quite concrete.

Final guess:
Half of a tree.  Once there he got half a tree, but couldn't get the other
half of the tree (possibly because he didn't have the means to move a whole
tree), so he left half of the tree there and brought half of the tree back
home with him.

Michael Harney - who doesn't like this answer, but has read riddles with
worse answers.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: u

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Zim wrote:


I liked Quicksilver but it is a very long book that doesn't really have 
much a point. The mixture of historical figures of the 17th century in 
particular Newton  Liebnitz and Hooke with fictional characters who by 
the way are the ancestors of the main characters in Cryptonimonicon is 
really cool but the book is so dense with the ambiance of the times in 
England
France and Holland that it kind of drags. Especially the first
half. Once he introduces Jack Shaftoe and Eliza things
pick up. I would read Cryptonimonicon first to see if you
like this style of writing since the structure of Quicksilver
is the same. Quicksilver is part of a trilogy so I am sure
it won't make sense unitl the end of book 3 (System of the World). 
Another book to consider is Illeum, Dan Simmons sci fi
version of the Iliad. Also the beginning of a series.

Yea, I planned to read C first anyway.  He blends history with SF in Snow 
Crash too - stuff about ancient Sumeria.

I haven't read Vitals. What it is about?
It's been several months since I read it but it's about a guy that's close 
to finding a way to stop the aging process, gets hired by a millionare to 
fund his research but then discovers a conspiracy that threatens the 
world.  Kind of Creitonian, fast paced, shoot em up hope they make a movie 
of my book kind of thing.  Not his best effort but some of the ideas were 
interesting.

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'nother riddle

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Here's one I'm sure won't last nearly as long.  Guess the next number in 
the following sequence.

1
11
21
1211
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Re: u

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:35:11 -0330, Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Killer Bs Discussion)
Subject: u
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:35:11 -0500
Another book to consider is Illeum, Dan Simmons sci fi
version of the Iliad. Also the beginning of a series.

Now that sounds interesting.

Oh yea, I forgot to mention that I've read Ilium and recomend it too.  Dan 
Simmons is a master and this is no dissapointment.  It is the first of two 
though and leaves you hanging.

--
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Q: Re: u

2003-12-29 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
What does the subject line of this thread mean?



-- Ronn!  :)

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Re: 'nother riddle

2003-12-29 Thread Michael Harney
From: Doug Pensinger

 Here's one I'm sure won't last nearly as long.  Guess the next number
 in the following sequence.

 1
 11
 21
 1211

 -- 
 Doug

Looks like a palindrome, and I don't see much of a mathematical pattern in
it (not that I tried much though), so my guess is 1.

Michael Harney
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Re: 'nother riddle

2003-12-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:29:15 -0700, Michael Harney 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Doug Pensinger

Here's one I'm sure won't last nearly as long.  Guess the next number
in the following sequence.
1
11
21
1211
--
Doug
Looks like a palindrome, and I don't see much of a mathematical pattern 
in
it (not that I tried much though), so my guess is 1.

heh, good answer, but no.

perhaps I should add one more:

111221
--
Doug
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