Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius
--- Alberto, You paint a frightening picture. Heinlein's heirs are republishing his first (and awful!) novel this year. Some artists burn their manuscripts! ;-) davd (it was a mistake, now locked in stone!) Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Davd [where has the _i_ gone?] Brin wrote: > > > > Alas, Life with 3 small kids (age 6,9,11) -- > plus > > many speeches and deadlines -- has left me with > less > > time for writing and a need to focus. This is > > frustrating. I have seven lifespans worth of > ideas > > and the last year has been a complete loss, > > fixtionwise... except for THE LIFE EATERS. > > > > Don't forget to write everything you ever think, and > let > your kids know where you are storing this > information. > Tolkien left enough material for his son Christopher > to publish 14 books, plus a series of dictionaries > of his > invented languages, and even a complete > The-Hobbit-like > children's story. Maybe there will be "David Brin" > new > material by 2104 :-) > > > Alberto Monteiro > > ___ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l = . . * Please note. My email address of many years is changing FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... (Or else use [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius
Davd [where has the _i_ gone?] Brin wrote: > > Alas, Life with 3 small kids (age 6,9,11) -- plus > many speeches and deadlines -- has left me with less > time for writing and a need to focus. This is > frustrating. I have seven lifespans worth of ideas > and the last year has been a complete loss, > fixtionwise... except for THE LIFE EATERS. > Don't forget to write everything you ever think, and let your kids know where you are storing this information. Tolkien left enough material for his son Christopher to publish 14 books, plus a series of dictionaries of his invented languages, and even a complete The-Hobbit-like children's story. Maybe there will be "David Brin" new material by 2104 :-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius
In a message dated 1/20/2004 9:59:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > What ever happened to Tug. He left Kazzkark with Alvin for Hurumphta, but > > he/it/they (whatever) didn't make the cut for Alvin's last journal entry. > > Didn't the Neo-Fin kill him by accident (shoot on sight as a Jophur) when > the > Streaker rescued the kids? Name error? What then was the name of the small treaki the chemist made. It left Kazzkark with Alvin. Drat...no book handy, and I've never yet highlighted like I did all my Piper. Huntpeck.flip... Ah. Page 435 of paperback Heaven's Reach: Tyug, the traeki alchemist from Jijo, acompanying Alvin on the next phase of his adventure. -- So. Seen on Kazzkark, but not mentioned in Alvin's last journal entry. The use of the word "Denouement" is one of the biggest oxymorons ever presented in the history of science fiction. Main Entry: deÂnoueÂment Variant(s): also dÃ.noue.ment /"dA-"nÃ-'mÃn, dA-'nÃ-"/ Function: noun Etymology: French dÃnouement, literally, untying, from Middle French desnouement, from desnouer to untie, from Old French desnoer, from des- de- + noer to tie, from Latin nodare, from nodus knot âmore at NODE Date: 1752 1 : the final outcome of the main dramatic complication in a literary work 2 : the outcome of a complex sequence of events ---yeah, not bloody likely. William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius
> What ever happened to Tug. He left Kazzkark with Alvin for Hurumphta, but > he/it/they (whatever) didn't make the cut for Alvin's last journal entry. Didn't the Neo-Fin kill him by accident (shoot on sight as a Jophur) when the Streaker rescued the kids? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius
All way-cool observations! Kurosawa Japanese... har! = . . * Please note. My email address of many years is changing FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... (Or else use [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius
In a message dated 1/20/2004 5:42:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The evident enthusiasm of a certain list member has given me cause to ask [Drool slobber run in cir--oh, wait. Taz comes later.] > myself whether Hoon, as a literary creation, might have broad-based apeal. > I > think the answer must be affirmative. Indeed, Hoon characters could have > such strong psycho-cultural charisma that they would be the key to super- > star > levels of comic, book, movie, and above all branding success. Dor-hinuf: If you try to put a brand on my husband then I'll... [She's held back.] > > The first item that strikes me about Hoon is the degree of psychological > identification that they can elicit. I am reminded of Stan Lee being > interviewed about kid sidekicks in comic books. He hated them, but the > readers identifed with the sidekicks and sales went up. More importantly, I > > am remined of tatoo artists who told me, in the course of researching a term > > paper in grad school, that the most popular subject for tatoos was the WB's > Tazmanian Devil. They couldn't explain why, but I think I can. > > Taz is both Archetypal -- representing the id driven oaf -- and a strong > reference for psychological identification. A lot of men and women, of whom > > many are given to tatoos, identify with the loutish, gooberish Taz. In a > sense, Hoon are Taz-Lite, though it is not fair to end the story there. Taz > > fans like professional wrestling, monster trucks and NASCAR. In constrast, > Hoon fans might like NASCAR but they also like soccer and do not like > monster > trucks and pro-wrestling. [Interesting. In the fanfic (that I'd rather have Brin finish) I had the Hoon play the human stage/production crew one game of soccer. They only did it once. --too lopsided.) > Hoon are not so much goobers as surfer dudes. [I > > say surfer dude because "yachtsman" rather limits our target audience.] > Good idea, dude. > Of course, Hoon are not merely laid back surfer dudes, they are surfer dudes > > trapped in cubicles. This introduces an element of Walter ? Mitty. (Walter J. Mitty --if I remember correctly.) Even > more, we get Arthur from the Tic. (Or Arthur Dent.) Hoon give us Dilbert meets Taz, or even > more, Dilbert realizes his inner Taz. But unlike Arthur, our Hoon Hero or > Heroes do not escape their nerdy existince merely to become hillariously > campy homosexual nerds in tights and capes. > > We may know that most nerds traped in cubicles are in cubicles because they > are nerds, and not the otherway about. Nevertheless, there is hardly a nerd > > who does not fantasize that he is a hero stuck in a nerd's cubicle. What's > more many of those cubicle drones long to realize their inner surfer dude. > Why not do both at once? > > The Hoon angle is even better, because everyone resents bureaucracy. Hoon > give you the merchandisible opportunity to pander to that anti-bureaucratic > resentment at every turn. > > So the formula is simple: > > Surfer dude (read Hoon) is traped in cubicle. > Surfer dude escapes cubicle. > Surfer dude realizes inner surfer dude. > [Realizing inner surfer dude allows] surfer dude makes a better world. > Surfer dude becomes ["human"] hero (ala Batman or the Shadow) > > > I [freely] advise you to produce a Hoon-based series of comic books. Tales of teen Jijo. This has been a list idea for over a year. But as a Sat morning cartoon. I do > NOT > believe that comic books are in themselves good business. I think comic > books are a great way to create merchandisible iconic brands. > > Unfortunately, I do not see Alvin and Huck as good candidates for the job of > > heroes. Mudfoot. Mudfoot sees himself as being a hero to the Rousit. He's the catalysist that sets everyone else into motion. When I imagine the adventures of Alvin, Huck, and Mudfoot I keep > comming up with Miss Marple or Murder She Wrote. Of course, Nancy Drew and > the Hardie Boys used to work with the highly desirable and perhaps an > updated > version could again. Mudfoot is the radical, Huck is the negotiator. Alvin is Sheriff Andy who never ever needed to draw his sidearm until something happens where he has to get the shotgun from the trunk. > > But teens should not be your target market. Teens have never experienced > cubicles, thus they have no need for cubicle emacipation. Men 20-50 do have > > the cubicle experice and emacipation need. > > One possible story starter would be a group of three or four Hoonish > reluctant > space pallidins in their hypespace surfing free-trader. The story starts > when our heroes: > -- win the lottery > -- get their hyperspace sailing vessel as a gift from mysterious retirees > -- win a lottery that was fixed by mysterious retirees. The Hoon win the (reinstated b
Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius
Wow Trent! Amazing thoughts. Just goes to show that You and the gang are the smartest fans a guy could ask for. Seriously cool stuff. Alas, Life with 3 small kids (age 6,9,11) -- plus many speeches and deadlines -- has left me with less time for writing and a need to focus. This is frustrating. I have seven lifespans worth of ideas and the last year has been a complete loss, fixtionwise... except for THE LIFE EATERS. I wish I had the duplicator from KILN PEOPLE! Or that I had a bunch of bright young writers eager to play in my universe. Seriously, could you two act as an archive of these cool hoonish ideas? Maybe organize them? I hope to find more time someday. meanwhile thrive With cordial regards, David Brin www.davidbrin.com --- Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The evident enthusiasm of a certain list member has > given me cause to ask > myself whether Hoon, as a literary creation, might > have broad-based apeal. I > think the answer must be affirmative. Indeed, Hoon > characters could have > such strong psycho-cultural charisma that they would > be the key to super-star > levels of comic, book, movie, and above all branding > success. > > The first item that strikes me about Hoon is the > degree of psychological > identification that they can elicit. I am reminded > of Stan Lee being > interviewed about kid sidekicks in comic books. He > hated them, but the > readers identifed with the sidekicks and sales went > up. More importantly, I > am remined of tatoo artists who told me, in the > course of researching a term > paper in grad school, that the most popular subject > for tatoos was the WB's > Tazmanian Devil. They couldn't explain why, but I > think I can. > > Taz is both Archetypal -- representing the id driven > oaf -- and a strong > reference for psychological identification. A lot > of men and women, of whom > many are given to tatoos, identify with the loutish, > gooberish Taz. In a > sense, Hoon are Taz-Lite, though it is not fair to > end the story there. Taz > fans like professional wrestling, monster trucks and > NASCAR. In constrast, > Hoon fans might like NASCAR but they also like > soccer and do not like monster > trucks and pro-wrestling. Hoon are not so much > goobers as surfer dudes. [I > say surfer dude because "yachtsman" rather limits > our target audience.] > > Of course, Hoon are not merely laid back surfer > dudes, they are surfer dudes > trapped in cubicles. This introduces an element of > Walter ? Mitty. Even > more, we get Arthur from the Tic. Hoon give us > Dilbert meets Taz, or even > more, Dilbert realizes his inner Taz. But unlike > Arthur, our Hoon Hero or > Heroes do not escape their nerdy existince merely to > become hillariously > campy homosexual nerds in tights and capes. > > We may know that most nerds traped in cubicles are > in cubicles because they > are nerds, and not the otherway about. > Nevertheless, there is hardly a nerd > who does not fantasize that he is a hero stuck in a > nerd's cubicle. What's > more many of those cubicle drones long to realize > their inner surfer dude. > Why not do both at once? > > The Hoon angle is even better, because everyone > resents bureaucracy. Hoon > give you the merchandisible opportunity to pander to > that anti-bureaucratic > resentment at every turn. > > So the formula is simple: > > Surfer dude (read Hoon) is traped in cubicle. > Surfer dude escapes cubicle. > Surfer dude realizes inner surfer dude. > [Realizing inner surfer dude allows] surfer dude > makes a better world. > Surfer dude becomes ["human"] hero (ala Batman or > the Shadow) > > > I [freely] advise you to produce a Hoon-based series > of comic books. I do NOT > believe that comic books are in themselves good > business. I think comic > books are a great way to create merchandisible > iconic brands. > > Unfortunately, I do not see Alvin and Huck as good > candidates for the job of > heroes. When I imagine the adventures of Alvin, > Huck, and Mudfoot I keep > comming up with Miss Marple or Murder She Wrote. Of > course, Nancy Drew and > the Hardie Boys used to work with the highly > desirable and perhaps an updated > version could again. > > But teens should not be your target market. Teens > have never experienced > cubicles, thus they have no need for cubicle > emacipation. Men 20-50 do have > the cubicle experice and emacipation need. > > One possible story starter would be a group of three > or four Hoonish reluctant > space pallidins in their hypespace surfing > free-trader. The story starts > when our heroes: > -- win the lottery > -- get their hyperspace sailing vessel as a gift > from mysterious retirees > -- win a lottery that was fixed by mysterious > retirees. > > They quit their accounting jobs, buy a ship and go > sailing around the Galaxies > being good natured laid-back louts, goofing off, > buying and selling stuff, > and doin
Attn Brin: Hoon Genius
The evident enthusiasm of a certain list member has given me cause to ask myself whether Hoon, as a literary creation, might have broad-based apeal. I think the answer must be affirmative. Indeed, Hoon characters could have such strong psycho-cultural charisma that they would be the key to super-star levels of comic, book, movie, and above all branding success. The first item that strikes me about Hoon is the degree of psychological identification that they can elicit. I am reminded of Stan Lee being interviewed about kid sidekicks in comic books. He hated them, but the readers identifed with the sidekicks and sales went up. More importantly, I am remined of tatoo artists who told me, in the course of researching a term paper in grad school, that the most popular subject for tatoos was the WB's Tazmanian Devil. They couldn't explain why, but I think I can. Taz is both Archetypal -- representing the id driven oaf -- and a strong reference for psychological identification. A lot of men and women, of whom many are given to tatoos, identify with the loutish, gooberish Taz. In a sense, Hoon are Taz-Lite, though it is not fair to end the story there. Taz fans like professional wrestling, monster trucks and NASCAR. In constrast, Hoon fans might like NASCAR but they also like soccer and do not like monster trucks and pro-wrestling. Hoon are not so much goobers as surfer dudes. [I say surfer dude because "yachtsman" rather limits our target audience.] Of course, Hoon are not merely laid back surfer dudes, they are surfer dudes trapped in cubicles. This introduces an element of Walter ? Mitty. Even more, we get Arthur from the Tic. Hoon give us Dilbert meets Taz, or even more, Dilbert realizes his inner Taz. But unlike Arthur, our Hoon Hero or Heroes do not escape their nerdy existince merely to become hillariously campy homosexual nerds in tights and capes. We may know that most nerds traped in cubicles are in cubicles because they are nerds, and not the otherway about. Nevertheless, there is hardly a nerd who does not fantasize that he is a hero stuck in a nerd's cubicle. What's more many of those cubicle drones long to realize their inner surfer dude. Why not do both at once? The Hoon angle is even better, because everyone resents bureaucracy. Hoon give you the merchandisible opportunity to pander to that anti-bureaucratic resentment at every turn. So the formula is simple: Surfer dude (read Hoon) is traped in cubicle. Surfer dude escapes cubicle. Surfer dude realizes inner surfer dude. [Realizing inner surfer dude allows] surfer dude makes a better world. Surfer dude becomes ["human"] hero (ala Batman or the Shadow) I [freely] advise you to produce a Hoon-based series of comic books. I do NOT believe that comic books are in themselves good business. I think comic books are a great way to create merchandisible iconic brands. Unfortunately, I do not see Alvin and Huck as good candidates for the job of heroes. When I imagine the adventures of Alvin, Huck, and Mudfoot I keep comming up with Miss Marple or Murder She Wrote. Of course, Nancy Drew and the Hardie Boys used to work with the highly desirable and perhaps an updated version could again. But teens should not be your target market. Teens have never experienced cubicles, thus they have no need for cubicle emacipation. Men 20-50 do have the cubicle experice and emacipation need. One possible story starter would be a group of three or four Hoonish reluctant space pallidins in their hypespace surfing free-trader. The story starts when our heroes: -- win the lottery -- get their hyperspace sailing vessel as a gift from mysterious retirees -- win a lottery that was fixed by mysterious retirees. They quit their accounting jobs, buy a ship and go sailing around the Galaxies being good natured laid-back louts, goofing off, buying and selling stuff, and doing good. Along the way they might: -- Expose the corruption of an Enron-like super-giant-pan-galactic-mega-corporation spoiling their plans for souless globalization and saving small investors. -- Disprove Jophur lies that Terragens are planning to develop nanotech based WMD. [Not for distribution in the USA] -- Stop religious fundamentalists from hijacking the post-Garth Gubru reform movement. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
