Re: Food Wars
At 08:23 PM Wednesday 4/23/2008, jon louis mann wrote: Doesn't take much disruption in the supply chain to cause havoc. Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Charlie. here in the usa, people will manage; poverty in america is wealth in africa. it will be good for americans to learn to be thrifty. they did it during the depression, and can do it again. we have always had cheap gas, so it is time for us to tighten our belts and lose some of that fat... jon Of course, there have been many, particularly in SF but others also, who not long ago talked about their vision of the future of the real world where technology made everybody rich (or at least the equivalent of middle-class or better by then contemporary US standards) . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Food Wars
If you go to the Powell's website, you'll find a blurb for a book which described in detail how the author's family lived on potatoes and bland, processed (or packaged) products scavenged... during one spell of poverty. Enjoy them, mashed, fried, and mixed with onions. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:32:14 -0500 To: brin-l@mccmedia.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Food Wars At 08:23 PM Wednesday 4/23/2008, jon louis mann wrote: Doesn't take much disruption in the supply chain to cause havoc. Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Charlie. here in the usa, people will manage; poverty in america is wealth in africa. it will be good for americans to learn to be thrifty. they did it during the depression, and can do it again. we have always had cheap gas, so it is time for us to tighten our belts and lose some of that fat... jon Of course, there have been many, particularly in SF but others also, who not long ago talked about their vision of the future of the real world where technology made everybody rich (or at least the equivalent of middle-class or better by then contemporary US standards) . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Food Wars
If you go to the Powell's website, you'll find a blurb for a book which described in detail how the author's family lived on potatoes and bland, processed (or packaged) products scavenged... during one spell of poverty. Enjoy them, mashed, fried, and mixed with onions. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Of course, there have been many, particularly in SF but others also, who not long ago talked about their vision of the future of the real world where technology made everybody rich (or at least the equivalent of middle-class or better by then contemporary US standards). . . . ronn! :) those are two possibilities, and i am content with either, as long as we stop destroying the planet. if technology can leap to the singularity that would be my preference, but so far technology has only made it possible to pollute and waste to the point that civilization may collapse before humanity transcends. i could easily live on a lot less than i am now. i kept my stomach full with potatoes, popcorn and vitamins when i was at the university of washington. going on a paleolithic diet would be an improvement to what i eat now... jon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
Charlie Bell wrote: Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Petrol (gasoline) in Rio de Janeiro is now (and for many months) about R$ 2.70 a litre (about USD 1.625 a litre), of which 25% is ethanol and 50% are taxes. And food prices are rising obscenely, despite the fact that we are net exporters of food. It's a bless that 1st world countries put so many barriers to brazilian food, otherwise much more would be exported, and I would have to pay more for less food. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Petrol (gasoline) in Rio de Janeiro is now (and for many months) about R$ 2.70 a litre (about USD 1.625 a litre), of which 25% is ethanol and 50% are taxes. And food prices are rising obscenely, despite the fact that we are net exporters of food. It's a blessing that 1st world countries put so many barriers to Brazilian food, otherwise much more would be exported, and I would have to pay more for less food. Alberto Monteiro what barriers, alberto? jon - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
On 22/04/2008, at 7:01 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: - Original Message - From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Food Wars Independent journalist and broadcaster Gwynne Dyer premiered a new idea in front of a two-thirds capacity crowd at the Humanities Theatre Wednesday. The talk, titled Climate Wars, predicted that the wars of the future would not be fought over oil or to punish rogue states, but that they would be fought over food. I can't see wars being fought over food. The problem will be cheap energy. With enough cheap energy you should be able to grow all the food you want hydroponically with desalinated or recycled water pumped to where ever you wish. There are already riots and a fair-bit of discontent over increasing food prices. The drought here in Australia has reduced the world-wide supply of rice, doubling prices in the last three month. There will be wars being fought over food and water... snip ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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There are already riots and a fair bit of discontent over increasing food prices. The drought here in Australia has reduced the world-wide supply of rice, doubling prices in the last three month. There will be wars being fought over food and water... snip sendai, i think the last part of your response was truncated? i believe people in western countries will suffer far less from food riots because food plentiful; compared to undeveloped countries where people are literally starving to death. i live in satan monica, california, where many homeless are obese. sure prices are higher, but people still drive their BMWs and complain about the price of gas. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 01:37 PM Wednesday 4/23/2008, jon louis mann wrote: i live in satan monica, california, Paging Dr. Freud . . . . . . ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
On 24/04/2008, at 4:37 AM, jon louis mann wrote: sendai, i think the last part of your response was truncated? i believe people in western countries will suffer far less from food riots because food plentiful; Doesn't take much disruption in the supply chain to cause havoc. compared to undeveloped countries where people are literally starving to death. i live in satan monica, california, where many homeless are obese. sure prices are higher, but people still drive their BMWs and complain about the price of gas. Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Food Wars
Doesn't take much disruption in the supply chain to cause havoc. Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about $5.70 a gallon). Charlie. here in the usa, people will manage; poverty in america is wealth in africa. it will be good for americans to learn to be thrifty. they did it during the depression, and can do it again. we have always had cheap gas, so it is time for us to tighten our belts and lose some of that fat... jon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Food Wars
- Original Message - From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Food Wars Independent journalist and broadcaster Gwynne Dyer premiered a new idea in front of a two-thirds capacity crowd at the Humanities Theatre Wednesday. The talk, titled Climate Wars, predicted that the wars of the future would not be fought over oil or to punish rogue states, but that they would be fought over food. I can't see wars being fought over food. The problem will be cheap energy. With enough cheap energy you should be able to grow all the food you want hydroponically with desalinated or recycled water pumped to where ever you wish. But to be honest, I think the next war will be religion vs technology. When it becomes possible to extend the human life indefinitely, and build super intelligent computers, and create new lifeforms. It will be the people who think it is wrong to play god who go to war against the people who want to play god. Regards, Wayne. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I can't see wars being fought over food. The problem will be cheap energy. With enough cheap energy you should be able to grow all the food you want hydroponically with desalinated or recycled water pumped to where ever you wish. But to be honest, I think the next war will be religion vs technology. When it becomes possible to extend the human life indefinitely, and build super intelligent computers, and create new lifeforms. It will be the people who think it is wrong to play god who go to war against the people who want to play god. Regards, Wayne. i think not, wayne. religion is becoming more and more irrelevant in advanced countries, population is not increasing like in the undeveloped countries, where fundamentalism is out of control. the problem in the west is that we are materialistic consumers. either we will destroy ourselves, or we will break through to the singularity. in a war between science and religion, the jihadists will lose. in a war over food the have nots will lose. regards, jon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Food Wars
Independent journalist and broadcaster Gwynne Dyer premiered a new idea in front of a two-thirds capacity crowd at the Humanities Theatre Wednesday. The talk, titled Climate Wars, predicted that the wars of the future would not be fought over oil or to punish rogue states, but that they would be fought over food. He addressed the crowd in a comfortable leather jacket, jeans and sneakers while predicting that the world was going to be something different. As a well-known freelance journalist with contacts around the world, Dyer keeps his ear close to the ground. On the question of Cuba? Castro's finished. They don't want him back. The issue of climate wars first occurred to him when he was in Britain shortly after the British government announced that they were going to replace their current fleet of nuclear submarines, set to be mothballed by 2020, with a new generation fit for service through 2050. The British defence minister went on record to say, Well, you never know what might turn up. Confused, Dyer discussed the issue with several of his British contacts. It's about climate change, they said, Lifeboat Britain. That didn't help Dyer at all, so he had to do some more digging. They're not worried about the ice caps melting or polar bears drowning, though someone might set up a fund to buy polar bear life jackets, or rising seas. They're worried about food supply. The British theory goes that should climate change continue at the rate that it will, Britain will be able to sustain approximately 60 million people on agriculture. This normally wouldn't be a problem, except that the British planners predict that continental Europe will suffer an agricultural collapse, where a hungry population might look to a well-fed Britain with envy. Dyer had some final thoughts for his audience after spending more than an hour on dire prognostications. Cheer up, it could be worse, but I can't just remember how. Nobody's to blame. As soon as we began mass civilization, we were bound to end up at this point. And now we have to deal with it. [If this seems unlikely or far-fetched, try a Google search on the term 'climate wars' and see how many hits turn up. Here's on of the more interesting articles: http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=22410 ] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
