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On 19/01/2008, at 9:04 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote: Did anyone watch 'Cheney's Law' on PBS recently? It was broadcast on Australia's SBS a couple of weeks ago. I knew this group of chickenhawks was very bad news indeed, but they're even worse than I believed. And I'll have to retract a few of the nasty comments I directed at Ashcroft, who, scary as he was, did draw the line at flagrant law-breaking, even from his sickbed. Innit. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I wrote: Did anyone watch 'Cheney's Law' on PBS recently? Forgot to provide a link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/ For three decades Vice President Dick Cheney conducted a secretive, behind-closed-doors campaign to give the president virtually unlimited wartime power. Finally, in the aftermath of 9/11, the Justice Department and the White House made a number of controversial legal decisions. Orchestrated by Cheney and his lawyer David Addington, the department interpreted executive power in an expansive and extraordinary way, granting President George W. Bush the power to detain, interrogate, torture, wiretap and spy -- without congressional approval or judicial review... Debbi There Really Are No Words Maru :P Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish,(pun intended)Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You know, a few years ago I would have said the same thing about official torture, ...but America doesn't torture, so what they're doing can't be torture...snip It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...) Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. Apparently incompetence, lying, and law-breaking are not impeachable offenses... Did anyone watch 'Cheney's Law' on PBS recently? I knew this group of chickenhawks was very bad news indeed, but they're even worse than I believed. And I'll have to retract a few of the nasty comments I directed at Ashcroft, who, scary as he was, did draw the line at flagrant law-breaking, even from his sickbed. Debbi One Nation Under Sociopaths Maru:( Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 16, 2008 10:25 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Or for getting along with others. Or succeeding in business. Or government. Big and rigid is just bad, bad, bad. Well, I can think of one exception... and that wasn't really where I was headed with this, though it certainly is a cliche to buy a big rigid car to make up for a personal deficiency. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 18/01/2008, at 2:15 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 10:25 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Or for getting along with others. Or succeeding in business. Or government. Big and rigid is just bad, bad, bad. Well, I can think of one exception... and that wasn't really where I was headed with this, though it certainly is a cliche to buy a big rigid car to make up for a personal deficiency. I drive a very small car indeed... ;) Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17 Jan 2008, at 22:02, Charlie Bell wrote: On 18/01/2008, at 2:15 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 10:25 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Or for getting along with others. Or succeeding in business. Or government. Big and rigid is just bad, bad, bad. Well, I can think of one exception... and that wasn't really where I was headed with this, though it certainly is a cliche to buy a big rigid car to make up for a personal deficiency. I drive a very small car indeed... ;) But you're a very honest chap :) Boom boom Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16/01/2008, at 10:19 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: Plenty of room Down Under... Sure, nestled in right next to the various and sundry venomous arthropods, the sharks, the jellyfish and various other natural dangers. Like North America doesn't have its fair share of nasties. (OK, Australia is particularly well represented...). Still, I think I'd prefer those over Huckabee. :-) Word. It's really quite scary that dominionists and other theocrats are so close to the real power in the States, and that reality-based thinking is under such attack. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html . If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You know, a few years ago I would have said the same thing about official torture, ...but America doesn't torture, so what they're doing can't be torture... the incarceration of innocent people, disappearing people (aka ordinary rendition), invasion without cause, etc. etc. It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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John Garcia wrote: Devolve for sure. Huckabee is just another (albeit charismatic) politician trying to remake the world they way he wants it to be. Alas, his world is not the world I want to live in. I wouldn't leave the US if he won, but my attitude would be (to quote some friends of mine) Oh, it's on now mr fr! If nuts like this rule, then this is problably the most you might literally say (maybe you might be allowed to say mother. Maybe). BTW, censorship suckz: here in Brazil the idiots are censuring the sound in videoclips _in English_ (!). Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Andrew Crystall wrote: In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I forgot about the northern border. But the southern border is already closed; the Wall can be used to imprison people both ways. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Charlie Bell wrote: It's really quite scary that dominionists and other theocrats are so close to the real power in the States, and that reality-based thinking is under such attack. You know, my wife's family consists almost entirely of fairly devout Catholics. Yet not one of them has ever, at least within my earshot, claimed that a guy like Huckabee has the right idea. I just can't quite grasp what it is about a certain mindset that forces people to stop thinking entirely, that God (setting aside whether He exists or not) has all the answers and has some master plan that we have no control over, and that He only gave us these brains we have for show, to be treated like that particular kind of fancy car one never drives. Jim Magical thinking Maru ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I forgot about the northern border. But the southern border is already closed; the Wall can be used to imprison people both ways. The Wall isn't built yet. Wonder if coyotes would work to take people the other way? (Coyotes are people who smuggle people from Mexico to the US.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 15, 2008 5:57 PM, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I bet 30+ million Canadians, faced with the prospect of being overrun by SUV-driving, Starbucks-sucking weekend lib'rul Yanks,* would damned well find a way to close the border pretty fast. I don't have an SUV (although if I were fleeing to Canada, now that I consider it, maybe I'd want one). And I'm fairly liberal every dang day of the week. SUVs perform poorly in altruistic crash testing, which ranks vehicles on how much damage they inflict. Trouble is, I'm not aware of any rigorous altruistic crash testing. Lately I've been thinking that if I really put others ahead of myself, I'd be on a motorcycle much of the time. Yet as Dave Land pointed out to me, some of the others who I put ahead of myself are my family, who I wouldn't be serving very well if I were splatted all over a freeway. Still, it's a tempting rationalization for a midlife crisis-mobile. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 15, 2008 7:14 PM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? What's the difference between Huckabee and Bush, other than Huckabee is probably smarter and more articulate than most of his pets? If Bush is as fundamentalist and theocratic as Huckabee, he keeps his mouth shut about it more. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: On 16/01/2008, at 2:20 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/ constam.html . If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You know, a few years ago I would have said the same thing about official torture, ...but America doesn't torture, so what they're doing can't be torture... the incarceration of innocent people, disappearing people (aka ordinary rendition), invasion without cause, etc. etc. It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. What is your problem with classifiers (which MUST be what you meant when you wrote c***s***ers)? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. I've given it some more thought, and I believe that you may have been referring to: CHRISTENERS -- who would force the USA to be a Christian nation CLOISTERERS -- who would change the USA into a sort of convent CODESIGNERS -- who would seek to help the Intelligent Designer Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Folks, Here's a Republican (a Senior at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville) who seems to share the opinion of most who have participated in this thread: http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/printarticle.php?articleid=52614 Huckabee not a true Republican by Tipton Taylor I'm a conservative, an evangelical and a registered Republican, and so help me God, if Mike Huckabee is the Republican nominee for president this year, I'll vote for Hillary or Obama or whomever the Democrats nominate. Mike Huckabee symbolizes all that is wrong with the Republican Party. There is a strain of anti-intellectualism alive in American politics and actively embraced by the Republican base that would make the Founding Fathers roll over in their graves, and it is this anti-intellectualism that has allowed the Huckabee movement to gain support. It sounds like this is a guy for whom the phrase so help me God has actual resonance... Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17/01/2008, at 2:49 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: SUVs perform poorly in altruistic crash testing, which ranks vehicles on how much damage they inflict. They also fare poorly in almost all other crash testing too, especially in single vehicle accidents. About the only area where they do better than saloons is in crashes with saloons, and even then they're not as good as one might expect (although the saloon is invariably destroyed). Big and rigid isn't the best for passenger safety. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17/01/2008, at 7:27 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Charlie Bell wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. I've given it some more thought, and I believe that you may have been referring to: CHRISTENERS -- who would force the USA to be a Christian nation CLOISTERERS -- who would change the USA into a sort of convent CODESIGNERS -- who would seek to help the Intelligent Designer Very good! Wrong, but good! Charlie. Male Chicken Inhaler Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 17/01/2008, at 7:08 AM, Dave Land wrote: It's ever more astonishing to me that there has been no impeachment (let alone a war crimes tribunal...). Then again, these c***s***ers have insinuated themselves at all levels, and they've probably made sure they've got a lot of ammo on anyone who'd be likely to lead a genuine move to impeach. What is your problem with classifiers (which MUST be what you meant when you wrote c***s***ers)? Well, I'd have used the word taxonomists if that's what I'd meant. I was being kind to work email filters. Next time I won't bother... Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards' David Edwards and Muriel Kane The United States Constitution never uses the word God or makes mention of any religion, drawing its sole authority from We the People. However, Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee thinks it's time to put an end to that. I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution, Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view. When Willie Geist reported Huckabee's opinion on MSNBC's Morning Joe,co-host Mika Brzezinski was almost speechless, and even Joe Scarborough couldn't immediately find much to say beyond calling it interesting, Scarborough finally suggested that while he believes evangelicals should be able to talk politics ... some might find that statement very troubling, that we're going to change the Constitution to be in line with the Bible. And that's all I'm going to say. Geist further noted of Huckabee that if someone without his charm, said that, he'd be dismissed as a crackpot, but he's Mike Huckabee and he's bascially the front-runner. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 15, 2008 12:23 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards' David Edwards and Muriel Kane The United States Constitution never uses the word God or makes mention of any religion, drawing its sole authority from We the People. However, Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee thinks it's time to put an end to that. Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. john On Jan 15, 2008 4:06 PM, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 12:23 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards' David Edwards and Muriel Kane The United States Constitution never uses the word God or makes mention of any religion, drawing its sole authority from We the People. However, Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee thinks it's time to put an end to that. Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 16/01/2008, at 8:06 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? Plenty of room Down Under... Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Nick Arnett wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. Yes, but it's the thought that counts. And that's scary! ---David ROU Amazing ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Charlie Bell wrote: Plenty of room Down Under... Sure, nestled in right next to the various and sundry venomous arthropods, the sharks, the jellyfish and various other natural dangers. Still, I think I'd prefer those over Huckabee. :-) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Yeah, but Americans are always trying to make changes to and end run around the Constitution, because something in it (or not in it) annoys them. Look at things like free speech restrictions on college campuses or the hue and cry every time some defendant's case is dismissed because of a bad search. And it's Huckabee, for chrissakes. This is a guy who doesn't believe in evolution. Should any of us be surprised that he wants to put his God, not just God, but his, into the Constitution. It is no accident that the 'establishment clause' is the very first thing mentioned in the very first article of the Bill of Rights -- David Saperstein john On Jan 15, 2008 5:47 PM, David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. Yes, but it's the thought that counts. And that's scary! ---David ROU Amazing ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 1/15/08, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This is a guy who doesn't believe in evolution. He apparently believes it's just fine for the Constitution to evolve a bit. Or would that be devolve? Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 15, 2008 7:21 PM, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/15/08, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This is a guy who doesn't believe in evolution. He apparently believes it's just fine for the Constitution to evolve a bit. Or would that be devolve? Nick Devolve for sure. Huckabee is just another (albeit charismatic) politician trying to remake the world they way he wants it to be. Alas, his world is not the world I want to live in. I wouldn't leave the US if he won, but my attitude would be (to quote some friends of mine) Oh, it's on now mr fr! john ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 1/15/2008 6:58:55 PM, John Garcia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 7:21 PM, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/15/08, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This is a guy who doesn't believe in evolution. He apparently believes it's just fine for the Constitution to evolve a bit. Or would that be devolve? Nick Devolve for sure. Huckabee is just another (albeit charismatic) politician trying to remake the world they way he wants it to be. Alas, his world is not the world I want to live in. I wouldn't leave the US if he won, but my attitude would be (to quote some friends of mine) Oh, it's on now mr fr! Exactly why some interpret the second amendment the way they do, just for such occasions..and as a threat against such. G xponent Judgment Day Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 15 Jan 2008 at 22:42, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy. What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee? Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. AndrewC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Jan 15, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Well, going North? Can't really close the border. Long border and all that. I bet 30+ million Canadians, faced with the prospect of being overrun by SUV-driving, Starbucks-sucking weekend lib'rul Yanks,* would damned well find a way to close the border pretty fast. -- Warren Ockrassa Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/ Books | http://books.nightwares.com/ Web | http://www.nightwares.com/ * No suggestion about correspondents here is express or implied. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Nick wrote: Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you have room for me and my family in yours? What's the difference between Huckabee and Bush, other than Huckabee is probably smarter and more articulate than most of his pets? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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John Garcia wrote: Amending the Constitution is not as easy as Huckabee may wish, (pun intended) Gracias a Dios. See http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html. If elected, he won't be able to just wave his hand and have it done. You know, a few years ago I would have said the same thing about official torture, the incarceration of innocent people, disappearing people (aka ordinary rendition), invasion without cause, etc. etc. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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if creationist president elected: scientists WASHINGTON (AFP) — A day after ordained Baptist minister Mike Huckabee finished first in the opening round to choose a Republican candidate for the White House, scientists warned Americans against electing a leader who doubts evolution. The logic that convinces us that evolution is a fact is the same logic we use to say smoking is hazardous to your health or we have serious energy policy issues because of global warming, University of Michigan professor Gilbert Omenn told reporters at the launch of a book on evolution by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). I would worry that a president who didn't believe in the evolution arguments wouldn't believe in those other arguments either. This is a way of leading our country to ruin, added Omenn, who was part of a panel of experts at the launch of Science, Evolution and Creationism. Former Arkansas governor Huckabee said in a debate in May that he did not believe in evolution. A poll conducted last year showed that 53 percent of Americans do believe that humans developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life -- the theory of evolution -- while 47 percent do not. Some of those polled said they believed in both evolution and the opposing theory of creationism -- the belief that God created mankind at a single point in time. The evolution versus creationism debate has crept into American schools and politics, where it is mainly conservative Republicans who espouse the non-scientific belief. In 2004, a Pennsylvania school district found itself at the center of a national storm after its education board voted to require that a statement on creationism be read to students when they began learning about evolution in science class. The school board was ousted the following year. Science, Evolution and Creationism targets the general public and teachers, and presents in simple terms the current scientific understanding of evolution and the importance of teaching it in the science classroom. Doomed Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The President of the United States should not have the power to declare what science teachers should teach. That it's even a remote possibility is a sign of federal mission creep - and presidential mission creep on top of it - so severe I'd be sorely tempted to vote for Ron Paul if I weren't a Democrat! http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: US Doomed Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:41:39 + if creationist president elected: scientists WASHINGTON (AFP) — A day after ordained Baptist minister Mike Huckabee finished first in the opening round to choose a Republican candidate for the White House, scientists warned Americans against electing a leader who doubts evolution. The logic that convinces us that evolution is a fact is the same logic we use to say smoking is hazardous to your health or we have serious energy policy issues because of global warming, University of Michigan professor Gilbert Omenn told reporters at the launch of a book on evolution by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). I would worry that a president who didn't believe in the evolution arguments wouldn't believe in those other arguments either. This is a way of leading our country to ruin, added Omenn, who was part of a panel of experts at the launch of Science, Evolution and Creationism. Former Arkansas governor Huckabee said in a debate in May that he did not believe in evolution. A poll conducted last year showed that 53 percent of Americans do believe that humans developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life -- the theory of evolution -- while 47 percent do not. Some of those polled said they believed in both evolution and the opposing theory of creationism -- the belief that God created mankind at a single point in time. The evolution versus creationism debate has crept into American schools and politics, where it is mainly conservative Republicans who espouse the non-scientific belief. In 2004, a Pennsylvania school district found itself at the center of a national storm after its education board voted to require that a statement on creationism be read to students when they began learning about evolution in science class. The school board was ousted the following year. Science, Evolution and Creationism targets the general public and teachers, and presents in simple terms the current scientific understanding of evolution and the importance of teaching it in the science classroom. Doomed Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
